Peaceful protest? Score one for the good guys!!

[Alien]

In my experience, law enforcement enthusiasts who aren't cops and military enthusiasts who have never served are often disturbed individuals.

Be that as it may, he didn't defend himself from an unprovoked attack.  This child purposely sought out an unstable situation, travelled some distance to insert himself into that situation and joined the fray carrying a rifle.  Predictably, things got real and he panicked and starterd shooting.  Alternately, maybe he went there with the intention of shooting someone.  I don't know but, either way, he is far from an innocent victim.

So what you are telling me two groups of people descended on this town both with the idea of trouble on their minds and it got out of hand because one was better equipped, is that what you are telling me? Because if this is the case both came for trouble and found it. All I can say is the rioters brought this on themselves by destroying property and lives. People are not going to sit forever and watch the destruction of their cities. Personally if it was my business in my city I would be standing out front defending my rights, business and life as Im sure anyone here would.

You dont go provoking a fight and expect nothing to happen the kid may have come to stop perceived violence by the protesters, he may have done it the wrong way, but I tell you its a warning since most I talk to are about fed up with the nonsense. If they want a fight and think it cool to destroy peoples lives I have no sympathy for them and in fact will cheer this kid since its the warning shot fired that could have much graver consequences.  

"So what you are telling me two groups of people descended on this town both with the idea of trouble on their minds and it got out of hand because one was better equipped, is that what you are telling me? Because if this is the case both came for trouble and found it."

Yes.  That is exactly what I'm saying.

"Personally if it was my business in my city I would be standing out front defending my rights, business and life as Im sure anyone here would."

It wasn't his business or his city.  He went looking for trouble and found it.

[Rams]

In what world does shooting people de-escalate a situation?

Well, the attackers backed off...……….  Some of them anyway.   Shrug

Rams

[Robert]

In my experience, law enforcement enthusiasts who aren't cops and military enthusiasts who have never served are often disturbed individuals.

Be that as it may, he didn't defend himself from an unprovoked attack.  This child purposely sought out an unstable situation, travelled some distance to insert himself into that situation and joined the fray carrying a rifle.  Predictably, things got real and he panicked and starterd shooting.  Alternately, maybe he went there with the intention of shooting someone.  I don't know but, either way, he is far from an innocent victim.

So what you are telling me two groups of people descended on this town both with the idea of trouble on their minds and it got out of hand because one was better equipped, is that what you are telling me? Because if this is the case both came for trouble and found it. All I can say is the rioters brought this on themselves by destroying property and lives. People are not going to sit forever and watch the destruction of their cities. Personally if it was my business in my city I would be standing out front defending my rights, business and life as Im sure anyone here would.

You dont go provoking a fight and expect nothing to happen the kid may have come to stop perceived violence by the protesters, he may have done it the wrong way, but I tell you its a warning since most I talk to are about fed up with the nonsense. If they want a fight and think it cool to destroy peoples lives I have no sympathy for them and in fact will cheer this kid since its the warning shot fired that could have much graver consequences.  

"So what you are telling me two groups of people descended on this town both with the idea of trouble on their minds and it got out of hand because one was better equipped, is that what you are telling me? Because if this is the case both came for trouble and found it."

Yes.  That is exactly what I'm saying.

"Personally if it was my business in my city I would be standing out front defending my rights, business and life as Im sure anyone here would."

It wasn't his business or his city.  He went looking for trouble and found it.

But in this admittance is the truth of the hypocrisy of your reaction. Because on one hand you want to see him locked up and in jail while saying it was peaceful protesters. Whats good for one is good for another and he was there at his friends business.

[baldo]

To me it says a TON about the young man's intentions and character - after the first violent thug threw a brick at him and forced him to defend himself, he COULD have just opened fire indiscriminately, he COULD have tried to run away and blend in.

What did he do? He immediately pulled out his phone and called for help.

He tried to stay and render aid but the violent thugs continued to attack him, but he made every effort, once the immediate threat was eliminated, to deescalate the situation and stop and render air.

LOLOL....did you get this crap from your Q buddies?

Yes, he used his phone.....but not to call for help.

He called a friend to say " I just killed somebody". He then shot two more people, killing one.

https://www.wpr.org/i-just-killed-somebody-wisconsin-files-charges-against-illinois-teen-kenosha-shooting-killed-2

https://madison.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/watch-now-i-just-killed-somebody-man-heard-saying-on-video-after-2-shot-dead/article_02459deb-c439-56f7-bc82-ab7ec73e1460.html

Don't like those links, there are plenty more.

And "he stopped to render aid"?    OMG

[Reb]

You dont bring a skateboard or pistol to a rifle fight.

[Robert]

Don't like those links, there are plenty more.

And "he stopped to render aid"?    OMG

Why are you against this kid? The protesters performed total destruction of life and property, dont you think this is a deserved judgement? Dont you think you reap what you sow?

Are you so far gone that you dont see this? Many idiots in the streets running like wild dogs caught something they were not expecting and you say all social justice crap like it means anything.

[Alien]

Don't like those links, there are plenty more.

And "he stopped to render aid"?    OMG

Why are you against this kid? The protesters performed total destruction of life and property, dont you think this is a deserved judgement? Dont you think you reap what you sow?

"The protesters performed total destruction of life..."  Really?  Who did the protesters kill?

[scooperhsd]

"Social Justice" is anything but. There is only True Justice.

[baldo]

Your definition of protest is to burn and loot?

Just trying to clarify your position.

It pisses me off that there is looting and burning, it always has. If for no other reason than to give you fellas something to point at.

Does that help to clear it up for you?

[..]

https://www.facebook.com/billy.qroo.7/videos/690102675262353/?t=2

Shows a guy holding a pistol coming at Kyle Rittenhouse who is sitting on the road having been knocked down.

[Robert]

Your definition of protest is to burn and loot?

Just trying to clarify your position.

It pisses me off that there is looting and burning, it always has. If for no other reason than to give you fellas something to point at.

Does that help to clear it up for you?

A Little, but why stand up at all for a riot that tears down the fabric of the US for a long gone excuse for rioting?
There can be no excuse for all the destruction and mayhem that is happening.

Gays got everything they wanted without so much as a person hurt or shot fired, they even changed the laws on marriage. So tell me why are you sticking up for this?

[Serk]

Gays got everything they wanted without so much as a person hurt or shot fired, they even changed the laws on marriage. So tell me why are you sticking up for this?

I'll say it before our friends on the left do - They eventually wised up to staying peaceful, but their movement sure as hell didn't start that way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

[The emperor has no clothes]

Gays got everything they wanted without so much as a person hurt or shot fired, they even changed the laws on marriage. So tell me why are you sticking up for this?

I'll say it before our friends on the left do - They eventually wised up to staying peaceful, but their movement sure as hell didn't start that way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

It ain't over. There are plenty of instances of violence against gays.

[Robert]

Gays got everything they wanted without so much as a person hurt or shot fired, they even changed the laws on marriage. So tell me why are you sticking up for this?

I'll say it before our friends on the left do - They eventually wised up to staying peaceful, but their movement sure as hell didn't start that way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

Yup in fact they were started because the police came in and were harassing them and arrested a few of them under indecency laws. The riots although bad were nothing compared to whats going on now either.

[Alien]

Gays got everything they wanted without so much as a person hurt or shot fired, they even changed the laws on marriage. So tell me why are you sticking up for this?

I'll say it before our friends on the left do - They eventually wised up to staying peaceful, but their movement sure as hell didn't start that way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

Yup in fact they were started because the police came in and were harassing them and arrested a few of them under indecency laws. The riots although bad were nothing compared to whats going on now either.

So, police harrassment+uprising by those harassed= changes in policies and laws and peaceful coexistance.  Huh.  Imagine that.

[phideux]

This wannabe reportedly has his Mom drive him? to Kenosha, with a gun he's too young to possess, to 'guard and protect' property which no one asked him to do. He shoots and kills two people for reasons unknown. Makes his way back home to Illinois and is arrested the next day.

This kid went there looking for trouble, found it, and now two innocent people are dead, a third badly wounded.

If found guilty, he deserves a lifetime in prison.

innocent people?? 
You mean the convicted pedophile who was the one that started all of this by throwing a Molotov Cocktail.
Or the convicted girl beater who also was convicted on several felonies such as drugs and violent assaults, who was chasing down a 17yr old and tried to bash his head in with a skateboard.
Or the other violent convicted felon, caught on multiple videos with an illegal weapon in his hand and was caught saying he was going to dump a full magazine into the 17yr old.
The kid was fighting for his life, he won the fight.

[cookiedough]

If a person is not otherwise prohibited from possessing a firearm, it is legal to carry any legal firearm openly in Wisconsin.

not sure about that? ???

[Jess from VA]

I hope they start a go fund me for him.  

They did start one, but because of double standards GoFundMe shut it down.

Luckily though attorney L. Lin Wood (The lawyer who represented wrongly accused Centennial Olympic Park bombing suspect Richard Jewell and also the lawyer who made "MAGA Hat Kid" Nicholas Sandmann the highest paid person at CNN) is putting together a defense team pro bono, bringing in Pierce Bainbridge as well.

That is Excellent News.  

I'm also perturbed at multiple news articles (propaganda pieces) suggesting he was part of some militia and/or white supremacist group, either in IL or later joined one in WI (it's unclear).

Or maybe he was his own militia  (aren't we all?)

He defends himself, he then runs to retreat from danger (rather than stand and continue shooting), he is pursued while retreating, then is attacked; first running, then on the ground by a man with a handgun in his hand, and one with a heavy skateboard, and try to kick his head, and they try to take his rifle (sling saved the day here) (perhaps to use it on him), with well armed co-conspirators all around him, and he defends himself again.  And the 100 videos all document it.  

[Jess from VA]

If a person is not otherwise prohibited from possessing a firearm, it is legal to carry any legal firearm openly in Wisconsin.

not sure about that? ???

There's a surprise.

[Rams]

Your definition of protest is to burn and loot?

Just trying to clarify your position.

It pisses me off that there is looting and burning, it always has. If for no other reason than to give you fellas something to point at.

Does that help to clear it up for you?

Bob,
I doubt the sincerity of your stated reason but, won't lie about it, I'm glad to see that is your reaction to the looting and burning.   I would have been greatly disappointed to have learned otherwise.

Rams

[Serk]

I'm also perturbed at multiple news articles (propaganda pieces) suggesting he was part of some militia and/or white supremacist group, either in IL or later joined one in WI (it's unclear).

Hopefully after he's been acquitted Mr. Rittenhouse can go on to displace Mr. Sandmann as CNN's highest paid person... 

[Robert]

These two donation sites

https://fightback.law/

https://www.givesendgo.com/GUCZ


We Witnessed The Kenosha Shootings. Here’s What Really Happened

https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/27/we-witnessed-the-kenosha-shootings-heres-what-really-happened/

[JimC]

If a person is not otherwise prohibited from possessing a firearm, it is legal to carry any legal firearm openly in Wisconsin.

not sure about that? ???

Cookie,
I am not surprised that you are not sure about that.
I am sure that Jess IS correct.

Jim

[baldo]

Bob,
I doubt the sincerity of your stated reason but, won't lie about it, I'm glad to see that is your reaction to the looting and burning.   I would have been greatly disappointed to have learned otherwise.

Rams

Somehow, that won't keep me from sleeping tonight.....

Have a nice day.

[3fan4life]

These two donation sites

https://fightback.law/

https://www.givesendgo.com/GUCZ


We Witnessed The Kenosha Shootings. Here’s What Really Happened

https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/27/we-witnessed-the-kenosha-shootings-heres-what-really-happened/

Unfortunately, no amount of truth will change the minds of those that have already tried and convicted the kid.

None of the riots going on across this country are peaceful protests.

But that's OK, let the libs and the media keep trying to convince everyone that they are.

It will only guarantee that President Trump is reelected by the largest landslide in history!

[Ramie]

In what world does shooting people de-escalate a situation?

In what world does throwing a brick at someone de-escalate a situation?

Once the rioter escalated the situation to a lethal level a lethal response was justified. And once the immediate threat was neutralized, Mr. Rittenhouse tried to de-escalate.

If he was really the depraved blood thirsty maniac the MSM is trying to paint him as he could very easily have continued to drop rioters left and right. But he didn't. He stopped and attempted to render aid.

A lot of good points here and I guess we will have to wait until more facts are presented.  It did look to me as if he was trying to retreat from the conflict and was being perused and it also appeared to me that those chasing him would inflict great bodily harm to him if the caught him.  Those are two facts that a plea of self defense requires.

[Jess from VA]

Memes:

[hueco]

USA Navy Seals and other bad ass mofos are protecting Lin Wood. Nick Sandmann's lawyer. Now defending Patriot Kyle Rittenhouse. Pro Bono. So. Nothing to worry about from Communist Marxist Antifa threats against his life.

[Robert]

Posting this speaks volumes about you.  It shows the ultimate arrogance.  It says that if someone has a different viewpoint, you consider them less than human.  This is everhything wrong with the world right now.  I seriously hope that you take a moment to reflect on the cost of dehumanizing anyone and making the loss of their life a joke. 

  Yes it does, FOLLOW THE LAW, DON'T ENCOURAGE RIOTS, PROSECUTE THOSE THAT DESTROY LIVES ON ALL SIDES AND THE ISSUE IS SOLVED.

I doubt you will understand it but you and Wheeler have something in common. Below is a quote from him to Trump.

We don’t need your politics of division and demagoguery. Portlanders are onto you. We have already seen your reckless disregard for human life in your bumbling response to the COVID pandemic. And we know you’ve reached the conclusion that images of violence or vandalism are your only ticket to reelection.There is no place for looting, arson, or vandalism in our city. There is no room here for racist violence or those who wish to bring their ideology of hate into our community. Those who commit criminal acts will be apprehended and prosecuted under the law.

So in calling out that there essentially is no rioting has effectively declared those that lost it all in the riots null and void and actually endorses them.

You have the same mindset.

So when injustice and government inaction raises its head the people are compelled to set the record straight. Compassion for others that loose everything to false causes is a good thing.

In order for people to be peaceable they have to feel that if they give up something of their lives its for a good or just cause. If they are forced to give that up and do not see justice or a level playing field then society as a whole gets nasty.

As those who started the riots feel just in their burning of property, the law was supposed to stop it, since innocent people were being hurt needlessly. When this does not happen then many more are against them than for them and they dont want to see the fighting start since they will loose big time.

Justice is something that all need to feel is fair in order to come to the table. BLM protests have gone well beyond any cause they could have found just. Now its full on anarchy and those in authority are doing nothing about it. Those in authority dont need to worry about the protesters, since they are not the majority they need to worry about "the people", the ones mentioned in the Constitution since with all the power government has it can leave very quickly if enough people join in and say they are corrupt.

It says we have the ability for peaceful protests and the right to assemble not violent, destroy property type of protests.

(Quote)
 I seriously hope that you take a moment to reflect on the cost of dehumanizing anyone and making the loss of their life a joke. 

Why dont you take what you wrote seriously since many have lost it all including life from this needless protest. Your lack of caring for all in this is simply STUNNING, and speaks volumes about your lack of ability to understand fully all involved.

"They Would Have Killed Us" - Rand Paul Describes Attack By "Unhinged" Mob

[Alien]

Posting this speaks volumes about you.  It shows the ultimate arrogance.  It says that if someone has a different viewpoint, you consider them less than human.  This is everhything wrong with the world right now.  I seriously hope that you take a moment to reflect on the cost of dehumanizing anyone and making the loss of their life a joke.  

  Yes it does, FOLLOW THE LAW, DON'T ENCOURAGE RIOTS, PROSECUTE THOSE THAT DESTROY LIVES ON ALL SIDES AND THE ISSUE IS SOLVED.

I doubt you will understand it but you and Wheeler have something in common. Below is a quote from him to Trump.

We don’t need your politics of division and demagoguery. Portlanders are onto you. We have already seen your reckless disregard for human life in your bumbling response to the COVID pandemic. And we know you’ve reached the conclusion that images of violence or vandalism are your only ticket to reelection.There is no place for looting, arson, or vandalism in our city. There is no room here for racist violence or those who wish to bring their ideology of hate into our community. Those who commit criminal acts will be apprehended and prosecuted under the law.

So in calling out that there essentially is no rioting has effectively declared those that lost it all in the riots null and void and actually endorses them.

You have the same mindset.

So when injustice and government inaction raises its head the people are compelled to set the record straight. Compassion for others that loose everything to false causes is a good thing.

Deflect all you want.  The fact remains that the meme that was posted cheapens the value of human life.  Joking about/celebrating the death of other humans is indefensible. That is all.

[Oss]

Alien

You have a good point, the meme is the kind of thing that is fodder for the communists and
those who seek to riot and destroy our society,

It seems now inevitable that there will soon come a time when militia arise to defend their communities because to those who seek to riot we are less than them as well

This will be solely because the Democrats in charge of cities and towns refuse to do their jobs,

If someone comes for your house or wife, what is YOUR plan?  Run Hide or Defend.  911 is NOT an option but should be done if only for the record.

[scooperhsd]

I happen to believe the same. These BLM  / Antifa riots should have been stopped hard at the start. When a significant percentage of their members gets hurt / killed  by people defending their property / rights, then we will see an abandonment of them using violence and a REAL CONVERSATION can begin /  happen. The ordinary citizen is not blind to police brutality - but they are also not blind to riots happening because of it either.

[Alien]

Alien

You have a good point, the meme is the kind of thing that is fodder for the communists and
those who seek to riot and destroy our society,

It seems now inevitable that there will soon come a time when militia arise to defend their communities because to those who seek to riot we are less than them as well

This will be solely because the Democrats in charge of cities and towns refuse to do their jobs,

If someone comes for your house or wife, what is YOUR plan?  Run Hide or Defend.  911 is NOT an option but should be done if only for the record.

Well, I'm divorced, so if someone comes for her, it's the next guy's problem but I see what you're getting at.  You're right, come for me and I'll fight.  But no one came for this kid.  He was safe and far from any danger, then he chose to insert himself into that situation.  It's not as though he were sitting at home, minding his own business and a group of people attacked him.  He went there looking for exactlhy what he found.

[Patrick]

Does anyone yet know what the kid did 2 blocks prior to any video ? I don't.

[shadowsoftime]

Alien

You have a good point, the meme is the kind of thing that is fodder for the communists and
those who seek to riot and destroy our society,

It seems now inevitable that there will soon come a time when militia arise to defend their communities because to those who seek to riot we are less than them as well

This will be solely because the Democrats in charge of cities and towns refuse to do their jobs,

If someone comes for your house or wife, what is YOUR plan?  Run Hide or Defend.  911 is NOT an option but should be done if only for the record.

Well, I'm divorced, so if someone comes for her, it's the next guy's problem but I see what you're getting at.  You're right, come for me and I'll fight.  But no one came for this kid.  He was safe and far from any danger, then he chose to insert himself into that situation.  It's not as though he were sitting at home, minding his own business and a group of people attacked him.  He went there looking for exactlhy what he found.

That is one of the most ignorant statements I have heard in a long time.
He had as much right to be there as they did and yes, it was his business, it was his neighborhood.

[Alien]

Alien

You have a good point, the meme is the kind of thing that is fodder for the communists and
those who seek to riot and destroy our society,

It seems now inevitable that there will soon come a time when militia arise to defend their communities because to those who seek to riot we are less than them as well

This will be solely because the Democrats in charge of cities and towns refuse to do their jobs,

If someone comes for your house or wife, what is YOUR plan?  Run Hide or Defend.  911 is NOT an option but should be done if only for the record.

Well, I'm divorced, so if someone comes for her, it's the next guy's problem but I see what you're getting at.  You're right, come for me and I'll fight.  But no one came for this kid.  He was safe and far from any danger, then he chose to insert himself into that situation.  It's not as though he were sitting at home, minding his own business and a group of people attacked him.  He went there looking for exactlhy what he found.

That is one of the most ignorant statements I have heard in a long time.
He had as much right to be there as they did and yes, it was his business, it was his neighborhood.

False.  It was not his neighborhood.  He did not even live in the state of Wisconsin.  It wasn't his business either.  He was a high school dropout who was rejected by the police department, fire department and the Marine Corps.  All of this is typical of a loser with a hero complex.  Did he have a right to be there?  Sure.  Did he have a right to kill people?  No.

[michaelyoung254]

Alien

You have a good point, the meme is the kind of thing that is fodder for the communists and
those who seek to riot and destroy our society,

It seems now inevitable that there will soon come a time when militia arise to defend their communities because to those who seek to riot we are less than them as well

This will be solely because the Democrats in charge of cities and towns refuse to do their jobs,

If someone comes for your house or wife, what is YOUR plan?  Run Hide or Defend.  911 is NOT an option but should be done if only for the record.

I completely agree. If something doesn't happen soon, a militia will arise. It is escalating to the point whereas good men are going to be forced to do bad things in order to preserve the things which we hold dear such as life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It's going to get really ugly really fast and unfortunately, those on the left side of the isle are completely complacent with what is going on, or at least they are in my opinion because if they honestly had any reservations with what is going on in our cities, they wouldn't remain silent.

When they eventually force the rise of the militia the prevalent attitude of that militia is going to be "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." (paraphrasing a not so great past president)

Bottom line is this, if you're not with us, YOU ARE THE ENEMY!

[Alien]

Alien

You have a good point, the meme is the kind of thing that is fodder for the communists and
those who seek to riot and destroy our society,

It seems now inevitable that there will soon come a time when militia arise to defend their communities because to those who seek to riot we are less than them as well

This will be solely because the Democrats in charge of cities and towns refuse to do their jobs,

If someone comes for your house or wife, what is YOUR plan?  Run Hide or Defend.  911 is NOT an option but should be done if only for the record.

I completely agree. If something doesn't happen soon, a militia will arise. It is escalating to the point whereas good men are going to be forced to do bad things in order to preserve the things which we hold dear such as life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It's going to get really ugly really fast and unfortunately, those on the left side of the isle are completely complacent with what is going on, or at least they are in my opinion because if they honestly had any reservations with what is going on in our cities, they wouldn't remain silent.

When they eventually force the rise of the militia the prevalent attitude of that militia is going to be "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." (paraphrasing a not so great past president)

Bottom line is this, if you're not with us, YOU ARE THE ENEMY!

Then you may consider me the enemy.  I am not with you.  Not at all.

[Alien]

I can't believe that so many of you claim to be proud Americans, yet you support the killing of your fellow countrymen.  All of your flag waving is meaningless when you place property above human life.

I do not condone the destruction of property and I think that it should be fully prosecuted under the law.  But punished by death at the hands of a bunch of wannabe Rambos?  No.  I think not.  

[Oss]

If you own a store and there is a mob breaking your door down you will use any means necessary
to defend your store and those inside from the felonious assault

REMEMBER

In Germany, first they came to take away our rights one at a time, then you had to wear a star, you could no longer own property, you had to go to a ghetto  you were beaten for no reason,
your prayer books were burned,  then your babies were shot and you were burned shot or gassed

Think it cant happen here?   It can.  This is the last refuge of freedom in the world.

Let us categorize
  ANTIFA
 BLM
Radical jihad
The CCP
Those who would enslave and beat people for just being are the enemy of our civilization

I do not believe that just because a person does not support my view they are an enemy
but I agree with the sayings  SHEEP  WOLVES  SHEEPDOGS  you all know the difference

One need not be an LEO to be a sheepdog yes?

We have a duty and obligation to defend what is ours against all enemies foreign and domestic
LEGAL immigrant citizens know this oath, I took it when I became an attorney, others when they join the military.