Well, it's started, voter fraud.

[Rams]

Well, it's started. I'm sure some will say this is an anomaly and a very small percentage or something to that effect. But, the point is, many predicted it would happen and my bet is, some are obviously looking for other ways to cheat.

EDITED: Please keep this thread civil, we don't really need another thread locked.

Finally Fraud? How 1,000 Double Voters In Georgia Just Made The 2020 Election Much More Worrisome

https://www.forbes.com/site...-worse/#6a1fc9db989c

On Tuesday, Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger announced that 1,000 residents voted twice in the state’s June primary election, and promised to prosecute the offenders who violated the law. But beyond having an impact on Georgia, the news will no doubt have a national impact as the country hurtles toward the November 3 presidential election.

In a press conference at the Georgia state capital announcing the findings, Raffensperger was unequivocal. “A double voter knows exactly what they’re doing, diluting the votes of each and every voter that follows the law,” Raffensperger said. “Those that make the choice to game the system are breaking the law. And as Secretary of State, I will not tolerate it.”

The state’s findings come after a controversial election, Georgia’s first since the outbreak of the coronavirus pandemic, in which voters were forced to deal with long lines and malfunctioning machines. Following the primary, which drew national attention, Raffensperger pledged to investigate. The announcement on Tuesday was part of the results of that investigation.

Double voters, in the cases that Raffensperger cited, are those who mailed in absentee ballots and also voted at the polls on the June 9thelection day. While there are protocols in place to double-check that individual voters are unable to cast ballots twice, it is obvious there were gaps in the system.

Raffensperger’s press conference also comes less than a week after a report by the ACLU of Georgia that showed the state of Georgia had improperly removed nearly 200,000 citizens from Georgia voting rolls.

IMHO, the only way to control this (if that's even possible) is to prosecute to the fullest extent the law allows and that is applicable to any voter, regardless of affiliation.

Rams

[Oss]

nothing to see here..........................

Absentee ballot or in person

If you can buy toilet paper to wipe your backside you can vote in person or get an absentee ballot

[Rams]

nothing to see here..........................

Absentee ballot or in person

If you can buy toilet paper to wipe your backside you can vote in person or get an absentee ballot

Agreed, the problem is, some want to do both....  

Rams

[Moonshot_1]

I've got no doubt that in the Georgia case there was voter fraud involved.

But I also have to wonder, if the State of Georgia can't figure out who can vote or not at the ballot box, maybe there are a whole bunch of people who aren't exactly clear on what the rules exactly are. They go down to the ballot box knowing they cast an absentee ballot and want to make sure their vote counted.

They ask if their vote has been counted or if they have to vote again and the State of Georgia tells them "We dunno" So they vote. Again.

I guess the issue for me is that before I would judge the voters in question I would question the State of Georgia about how they are running things. I would think this goes far more to the integrity of the process than the fraud, which would be significantly curtailed by having a process with the highest integrity.

If the integrity of your process will let people vote twice, they will.

[Willow]

...
If the integrity of your process will let people vote twice, they some will. 

Fixed it for you.   

[Rams]

I've got no doubt that in the Georgia case there was voter fraud involved.

But I also have to wonder, if the State of Georgia can't figure out who can vote or not at the ballot box, maybe there are a whole bunch of people who aren't exactly clear on what the rules exactly are. They go down to the ballot box knowing they cast an absentee ballot and want to make sure their vote counted.

They ask if their vote has been counted or if they have to vote again and the State of Georgia tells them "We dunno" So they vote. Again.

I guess the issue for me is that before I would judge the voters in question I would question the State of Georgia about how they are running things. I would think this goes far more to the integrity of the process than the fraud, which would be significantly curtailed by having a process with the highest integrity.

If the integrity of your process will let people vote twice, they will.

Reference this, I really can't speak for GA but, I have volunteered to be a poll worker both in KY and in MS.   Both states require polling workers to attend a class, each polling station has a manager that has a lot more training and experience.   Both Political parties have some poll monitors there to ensure it's all done above board.   Additionally, The Secretary of State in GA, KY, MS and every other state I know of is responsible to ensure a fair and accurate vote.   So, although not dismissing what you are saying, I really doubt it's the problem.  But, I do admit it's a possibility.

Rams

[markymark640]

You have to be kidding me !

With all the processors, computers, and programming capability we have to, GA can't figure out a system to prevent this from happening ?

What's wrong with the Sec of State Office ?

Most anyone who can program can easily setup an application to manage a distributed database capable of detecting a second attempt and "NIP IT, NIP IT IN THE BUD"

[Rams]

You have to be kidding me !

With all the processors, computers, and programming capability we have to, GA can't figure out a system to prevent this from happening ?

What's wrong with the Sec of State Office ?

Most anyone who can program can easily setup an application to manage a distributed database capable of detecting a second attempt and "NIP IT, NIP IT IN THE BUD"

Well, it does appear that the Sec. of State has a system that did catch about a 1,000 of them.   
Nipping it in the bud may include some prison time for the accused fraudulent voters?  If found guilty, I sincerely hope.   Getting Nipped in the Bud could be a painful experience behind prison bars. 

Rams

[The emperor has no clothes]

You have to be kidding me !

With all the processors, computers, and programming capability we have to, GA can't figure out a system to prevent this from happening ?

What's wrong with the Sec of State Office ?

Most anyone who can program can easily setup an application to manage a distributed database capable of detecting a second attempt and "NIP IT, NIP IT IN THE BUD"

Well, it does appear that the Sec. of State has a system that did catch about a 1,000 of them.  
Nipping it in the bud may include some prison time for the accused fraudulent voters?  If found guilty, I sincerely hope.   Getting Nipped in the Bud could be a painful experience behind prison bars.  

Rams

per a NBC news article ;
"Michael McDonald, a professor at the University of Florida who studies election data, said explosive fraud allegations like this one historically don't pan out.

"I can't think of a single time where someone went out there with these allegations and law enforcement came back and said 'yup, every one of those people fraudulently voted,'" he said.

McDonald said that law enforcement investigations typically return minuscule numbers of credible cases.

"Once they are referred to law enforcement... those initial eye popping numbers turn out to be something you have to squint at," he said.

In his press conference, Raffensperger insisted that voters had intended to “game the system.”

Pressed for evidence of voter intent, he said there had been reports of a voter bragging about voting twice. The secretary said the state would be investigating all 1000 potential cases and would report back on whether any cases result in charges."

So, this is his evidence ? What a joke !

[Willow]

...
So, this is his evidence ? What a joke !

I'm not precisely certain what you are referring to as a joke but you do have a very odd sense of humor.

[The emperor has no clothes]

...
So, this is his evidence ? What a joke !

I'm not precisely certain what you are referring to as a joke but you do have a very odd sense of humor.

No humor involved. Only sadness.

"What is the definition of "what a joke"?

The definition of "what a joke" is:
this is a really bad moment or thing"

[Rams]

You have to be kidding me !

With all the processors, computers, and programming capability we have to, GA can't figure out a system to prevent this from happening ?

What's wrong with the Sec of State Office ?

Most anyone who can program can easily setup an application to manage a distributed database capable of detecting a second attempt and "NIP IT, NIP IT IN THE BUD"

Well, it does appear that the Sec. of State has a system that did catch about a 1,000 of them.  
Nipping it in the bud may include some prison time for the accused fraudulent voters?  If found guilty, I sincerely hope.   Getting Nipped in the Bud could be a painful experience behind prison bars.  

Rams

per a NBC news article ;
"Michael McDonald, a professor at the University of Florida who studies election data, said explosive fraud allegations like this one historically don't pan out.

"I can't think of a single time where someone went out there with these allegations and law enforcement came back and said 'yup, every one of those people fraudulently voted,'" he said.

McDonald said that law enforcement investigations typically return minuscule numbers of credible cases.

"Once they are referred to law enforcement... those initial eye popping numbers turn out to be something you have to squint at," he said.

In his press conference, Raffensperger insisted that voters had intended to “game the system.”

Pressed for evidence of voter intent, he said there had been reports of a voter bragging about voting twice. The secretary said the state would be investigating all 1000 potential cases and would report back on whether any cases result in charges."

So, this is his evidence ? What a joke !

I can't think of a more left leaning News organization,  watch NBC every morning with my wife, she's a flaming Liberal.   Even she thinks NBC is biased.   They never present any news (reference President Trump) that doesn't have a negative spin on it.  Even the way something positive could be presented is spun by the way things are said.   It's actually pretty disheartening to see what was once a very respected news source go down the drain like they have.   Remind me who owns them?  

https://peckford42.wordpress.com/2020/04/09/bet-you-didnt-know-nbc-msnbc-s-owner-has-ties-with-a-china-state-owned-company/

Whether or not all cases get prosecuted will depend on the facts.   This joker's opinion means very little.   But, go ahead and let some of that steam out.   No one on this forum knows what is going to happen but, the fact that this made the news at all tells me there's a fire where that smoke is coming from.   May not be a big one or could be one hell of a blaze.   No one knows yet but, even a flaming Liberal should recognize the dangers of such acts.   At least the one I'm married to does.  

Rams

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm not going to comment on your marriage. I wish you all the best, in these regards. I understand you don't like NBC. Regardless, that was his quoted answer to the question of what evidence he had. Maybe I'll search for a quote from Fox News later. Right now I'm getting called to play the game of "Sorry" by a cute 7 year old little girl.

Later 

[Rams]

I'm not going to comment on your marriage. I wish you all the best, in these regards. I understand you don't like NBC. Regardless, that was his quoted answer to the question of what evidence he had. Maybe I'll search for a quote from Fox News later. Right now I'm getting called to play the game of "Sorry" by a cute 7 year old little girl.

Later  

Honestly, I can respect that decision.  Won't say who I'm pulling for in that game.  

Rams

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm not going to comment on your marriage. I wish you all the best, in these regards. I understand you don't like NBC. Regardless, that was his quoted answer to the question of what evidence he had. Maybe I'll search for a quote from Fox News later. Right now I'm getting called to play the game of "Sorry" by a cute 7 year old little girl.

Later  

Honestly, I can respect that decision.  Won't say who I'm pulling for in that game.  

Rams

This is the look of defeat ! When you go up against the GOAT of Sorry, you get humbled.


  It had been decades since I played Sorry. Shaelyn had to reschool Brenda and I the rules. Because of this she was sure she was going to win. She couldn’t believe an old man, rookie Sorry player beat her.

[CoreyP]

You have to be kidding me !

With all the processors, computers, and programming capability we have to, GA can't figure out a system to prevent this from happening ?

What's wrong with the Sec of State Office ?

Most anyone who can program can easily setup an application to manage a distributed database capable of detecting a second attempt and "NIP IT, NIP IT IN THE BUD"

Not just GA, dead people have been voting for years in many states. The mail and vote in person thing is easy to do. Local polling places don't have a list or way to check to my knowledge of who voted by mail? 

[Rams]

I understand you don't like NBC. Regardless, that was his quoted answer to the question of what evidence he had. Maybe I'll search for a quote from Fox News later.

Meathead,
While some may look to Fox News for all their news, I'm not one of those folks.   I watch several different sources and have noted that all seem to spin their news to fit their agenda so, don' feel like you need a Fox article to support your position.   There is no doubt that Fox is pro Trump and I recognize that.

Rams

[98valk]

A statement from the Oregon Republican Party won't appear in the state voters' guide mailed out for November's election because it arrived 29 seconds late to the online reporting system, officials told the Associated Press.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/republican-statement-oregon-voter-pamphlet

[Rams]

A statement from the Oregon Republican Party won't appear in the state voters' guide mailed out for November's election because it arrived 29 seconds late to the online reporting system, officials told the Associated Press.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/republican-statement-oregon-voter-pamphlet

Well, that sucks but, I'm reminded of the six Ps.
Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.  

Late is late.  Who ever was supposed to get that message out let a number of folks down.
I honestly doubt such a statement was going to change anyone's vote.

Rams

[Serk]

Kali registered to vote as soon as she legally could, we verified she is indeed registered to vote.

She got a letter in the mail today from the state saying someone who's name was spelled just slightly differently from hers needs to register to vote, here's the paperwork to do so.

We were very tempted to send it in so she could vote twice, but we're note Democrats so in to the shredder it went.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Kali registered to vote as soon as she legally could, we verified she is indeed registered to vote.

She got a letter in the mail today from the state saying someone who's name was spelled just slightly differently from hers needs to register to vote, here's the paperwork to do so.

We were very tempted to send it in so she could vote twice, but we're note Democrats so in to the shredder it went.

Interesting !

[markymark640]

You have to be kidding me !

With all the processors, computers, and programming capability we have to, GA can't figure out a system to prevent this from happening ?

What's wrong with the Sec of State Office ?

Most anyone who can program can easily setup an application to manage a distributed database capable of detecting a second attempt and "NIP IT, NIP IT IN THE BUD"

Well, it does appear that the Sec. of State has a system that did catch about a 1,000 of them.   
Nipping it in the bud may include some prison time for the accused fraudulent voters?  If found guilty, I sincerely hope.   Getting Nipped in the Bud could be a painful experience behind prison bars. 

Rams

I hear you, but they got 1,000 way after the fact.

I'm talking real time

Johnny walks into the polling place and has to present some type of official identification.

Right there, at that time, check if the person has previously voted. If so,  take whatever action, like write him a summons on the spot.

Johnny votes at the polling place and then sends in a mail in ballot.  Catch it as they put it into the system and have the system generate the summons right then and there.


Waiting for months afterwards cost us thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands to later take the list, locate the individuals, and take whatever action.  Work smarter not harder !

[..]

Johnny walks into the polling place and has to present some type of official identification.

Right there, at that time, check if the person has previously voted. If so,  take whatever action, like write him a summons on the spot.

So many wish it was how it worked.

[phideux]

If they have the mail in ballots, I would like to see which way the double voters  went. More for one side over the other?? Evenly spaced??

[scooperhsd]

There should not be any double (or more) voters - if they are discovered - NONE of their ballots should count - IMO.

[Patrick]

In an ideal world this should work. This world is far from ideal. 

[Wizzard]

My daughter lived in Colorado for 5 years. 2 years ago she moved to MI. I got a text on my phone yesterday that was directed to her and said "name" we noticed that you are not listed on the voter list in CO and wanted to make sure you get your vote in. Click on the link provided and we will add you back promptly. We must get Trump out.


Lol I texted them back and said "Please do and I am voting Trump all the way"   

[scooperhsd]

Anybody else getting weekly mailings urging them "to get your mail-in ballot" ? My personal opinion is if you're well enough to go buy groceries, you're well enough to vote in person (especially if you can do early voting, which I intend to do). Don't ask me who I'm voting for yet - I don't know yet.

[f6gal]

“Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.”

― Joseph Stalin

[Serk]

“Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.”

― Joseph Stalin

Judge: Michigan must count ballots that arrive post-election

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/judge-blocks-michigans-ban-transporting-voters-polls-73095170

[Bighead]

“Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.”

― Joseph Stalin

Judge: Michigan must count ballots that arrive post-election

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/judge-blocks-michigans-ban-transporting-voters-polls-73095170

And that is how they plan to steal the election

[Patrick]

Alls fair in politics.

[f6gal]

Psycho and I have been absentee voting for many years.  One of our neighbors just came over (she was livid) and gave us our ballots that were delivered to her mailbox.  One of my co-workers received SIX mis-delivered ballots.  

Long ago I worked for the USPS.  When I worked there, the workers (regardless of political affiliation) strongly believed in the sanctity of the mail.  Based on some of the things I've seen in the news, perhaps that has changed over the years.  Regardless, the fact remains, whether intentional or unintentional, the mail is no guarantee of untampered and timely delivery of ballots.

Our County Recorder is, at best, incompetent; at worst, corrupt.  Despite some previous election shenanigans (ballot harvesting, polling place issues, etc.), I never felt the need to track my ballot... until now.  

It sucks to have no confidence in the sanctity of our election process.  I'll be dropping off my ballot in person and tracking it thereafter.  But, I don't trust or believe in the the system anymore.  

[Patrick]

I feel the same way. Our local post office director/boss is an incompetent and has been there forever. Its not uncommon for piles of undelivered mail to be found in ditches or dumpsters. This happens at all times during the year.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Psycho and I have been absentee voting for many years.  One of our neighbors just came over (she was livid) and gave us our ballots that were delivered to her mailbox.  One of my co-workers received SIX mis-delivered ballots.  

Long ago I worked for the USPS.  When I worked there, the workers (regardless of political affiliation) strongly believed in the sanctity of the mail.  Based on some of the things I've seen in the news, perhaps that has changed over the years.  Regardless, the fact remains, whether intentional or unintentional, the mail is no guarantee of untampered and timely delivery of ballots.

Our County Recorder is, at best, incompetent; at worst, corrupt.  Despite some previous election shenanigans (ballot harvesting, polling place issues, etc.), I never felt the need to track my ballot... until now.  

It sucks to have no confidence in the sanctity of our election process.  I'll be dropping off my ballot in person and tracking it thereafter.  But, I don't trust or believe in the the system anymore.  

We got ours today. This will be my first time voting by mail. (I don't really consider it absentee, if I'm going to be here on Nov. 3). I'm more worried about my signature matching. They have me listed with my full middle name and Jr. suffix. My signature has deteriorated over the years, and I usually only sign as Rob Tice anyway. I'm going to have to practice my sig.

[98valk]

https://bongino.com/texas-candidate-for-mayor-arrested-on-109-counts-of-voting-fraud/

[f6gal]

Psycho and I have been absentee voting for many years.  One of our neighbors just came over (she was livid) and gave us our ballots that were delivered to her mailbox.  One of my co-workers received SIX mis-delivered ballots.  

Long ago I worked for the USPS.  When I worked there, the workers (regardless of political affiliation) strongly believed in the sanctity of the mail.  Based on some of the things I've seen in the news, perhaps that has changed over the years.  Regardless, the fact remains, whether intentional or unintentional, the mail is no guarantee of untampered and timely delivery of ballots.

Our County Recorder is, at best, incompetent; at worst, corrupt.  Despite some previous election shenanigans (ballot harvesting, polling place issues, etc.), I never felt the need to track my ballot... until now.  

It sucks to have no confidence in the sanctity of our election process.  I'll be dropping off my ballot in person and tracking it thereafter.  But, I don't trust or believe in the the system anymore.  

We got ours today. This will be my first time voting by mail. (I don't really consider it absentee, if I'm going to be here on Nov. 3). I'm more worried about my signature matching. They have me listed with my full middle name and Jr. suffix. My signature has deteriorated over the years, and I usually only sign as Rob Tice anyway. I'm going to have to practice my sig.

In Arizona, absentee simply means you're not voting in person.  I've been on the the Permanent Early Voting List (PEVL) for many years.  Under this program, a voter automatically receives a ballot by mail for every election in which they are eligible to vote.  It's a different process for military or overseas voters.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Psycho and I have been absentee voting for many years.  One of our neighbors just came over (she was livid) and gave us our ballots that were delivered to her mailbox.  One of my co-workers received SIX mis-delivered ballots.  

Long ago I worked for the USPS.  When I worked there, the workers (regardless of political affiliation) strongly believed in the sanctity of the mail.  Based on some of the things I've seen in the news, perhaps that has changed over the years.  Regardless, the fact remains, whether intentional or unintentional, the mail is no guarantee of untampered and timely delivery of ballots.

Our County Recorder is, at best, incompetent; at worst, corrupt.  Despite some previous election shenanigans (ballot harvesting, polling place issues, etc.), I never felt the need to track my ballot... until now.  

It sucks to have no confidence in the sanctity of our election process.  I'll be dropping off my ballot in person and tracking it thereafter.  But, I don't trust or believe in the the system anymore.  

We got ours today. This will be my first time voting by mail. (I don't really consider it absentee, if I'm going to be here on Nov. 3). I'm more worried about my signature matching. They have me listed with my full middle name and Jr. suffix. My signature has deteriorated over the years, and I usually only sign as Rob Tice anyway. I'm going to have to practice my sig.

In Arizona, absentee simply means you're not voting in person.  I've been on the the Permanent Early Voting List (PEVL) for many years.  Under this program, a voter automatically receives a ballot by mail for every election in which they are eligible to vote.  It's a different process for military or overseas voters.

yeah, my Inlaws have been on list for years. Much like most of my life, I relate a lot of stuff to when I was in my early years living in Alaska. Back then, you could only get a mail in ballot if you signed a statement that you were going to be out of state.

[Bighead]

Voter fraud ? Nah couldnt happen.

At least it seems this guy is doing the right thing   

[Tundra]

Psycho and I have been absentee voting for many years.  One of our neighbors just came over (she was livid) and gave us our ballots that were delivered to her mailbox.  One of my co-workers received SIX mis-delivered ballots.  

Long ago I worked for the USPS.  When I worked there, the workers (regardless of political affiliation) strongly believed in the sanctity of the mail.  Based on some of the things I've seen in the news, perhaps that has changed over the years.  Regardless, the fact remains, whether intentional or unintentional, the mail is no guarantee of untampered and timely delivery of ballots.

Our County Recorder is, at best, incompetent; at worst, corrupt.  Despite some previous election shenanigans (ballot harvesting, polling place issues, etc.), I never felt the need to track my ballot... until now.  

It sucks to have no confidence in the sanctity of our election process.  I'll be dropping off my ballot in person and tracking it thereafter.  But, I don't trust or believe in the the system anymore.  

Yup, +1...We voted a week ago. I picked up the ballots at my local elections office and dropped them off at the same location the following day.  Safe, I know they received them, no blaming the post office, no demonstrators, protesters, trouble makers. I can track the process on their website. Now I hope for the best. Easy peasy, no drama.