What would you do ?

[Patrick]

We see more and more of these 'protesters' approaching and harassing older couples just trying to have a nice quiet dinner. What if you were part of that couple.

[Rams]

Kind of depends on the numbers, the approach, the attitude and the way it happens.

Hard to say.   Some battles are worth fighting, some aren't.   

Question, are they riding Valkyries? 

Rams 

[Alien]

That would not go over well with me at all.  You'd probably see your liberal buddy Alien on the news.

[scooperhsd]

I'd agree with Rams. It might go like Alien's response, (hopefully not), or we might simply finish our meal and leave. Considering that we usually eat where there are crowds, I have a feeling it won't be happening.

[Patrick]

Well, I don't think I'd handle the situation very well either.  Its irritating as heck to see this happening almost daily. Right now Pinellas County seems to be a hot spot. I think if someone grabbed my beer and drank from it, they would be wearing the rest of it along with a plate of food.

[carolinarider09]

The problem with this scenario is that you really can't make a win with a single encounter, there have to be multiple encounters with a common response to quell the sub-human instigators.

There are several options that might minimize the need to decide.   

First, you don't have to dine out, thereby avoiding the possibility of an event occurring. 

Second,  if you must dine out, minimize the possibility of having an encounter by where you dine. Not downtown, not at a common place where there could be crowds like malls, shopping centers, ect.

Third, if you are dining out, dine inside away from entry points there by minimizing the possilbity of an encounter with these sub-humans.

And finally, if you wish to dine out and you realize the possibility of interaction with the sub-humans of the other side is a possibility, then you must have already made a decision.  You cannot wait unlit the event to make a decision.  You must be prepared to act. 

One action is to simply get up and leave.  Since it is likely you have already ordered a meal and not yet paid for it, simply walking out leaving the owner to take a loss makes him liable for the sub-humans being allowed to do what they do in his establishment. 

And the other action is that if they touch you or your wife or your girlfriend, or family member, then that is assault.  And you may consider you life is in danger and react according to your state laws. 

At my age, I don't know how physical I can be in such a circumstance, but, if they touch me or my wife or children, I assure you there will be a reaction. 

In the navy, we referred to the eating utensils as "Fighting Gear".   

[Jess from VA]

I would generally sit quietly, fit in, don't make direct eye contact and carefully asses the situation.  Armed or not, there are plenty of cases where the supposed good guy ends up in trouble for escalating a situation and/or being found responsible for other people's injuries/losses.  These sh!theads have (mostly) so far not been using deadly force.  For the general well being of all present, it can be necessary to suppress your natural instinct to react (and of course they are looking for a reaction, and may likely escalate force if you do).  So swallowing your pride should be your default position.  This is a good approach for violent protestors, and crime in general.

But I decided long ago I am not going to sit on my hands if people are being hurt or seriously abused, and if others resisted and a melee started, I'd try to be all in.  (If I had kids with me, this would change, but I have no kids).  If you are unarmed, get armed with whatever you can lay your hands on.  And I'd rather have a big or medium club than a table knife.

A couple times on the DC metro (in inescapable moving cars), I stood up and intervened between predator and weakling (not right away either, only when it looked like he was about to put hands on someone).  I did not have to fight, but once I got between them and calmly said stop that, leave them alone I was ready to fight, but it didn't happen.  Attitude and determination can be enough.  But that was always one guy, not a bunch of them.  And then I watched my back all the way to my destination.

What I would not do is produce (show) my firearm and warn them off or tell them to back off and leave, becoming the sole object of all their attention, before any deadly threat was exhibited.  And if it came to group pushing and shoving and swinging (with me involved), I would still not produce my firearm, unless I could clearly argue I did so to save my own or others lives.  Generally (there can always be exceptions) you don't produce your firearm until you use it.  Just because none of the sh!theads has produced a weapon, doesn't mean they don't have any either (some probably do).  Never start a gunfight (esp in a crowd).

There are already a couple cases where someone stood up to them verbally, and nothing happened then, but they ambushed the person later when numbers and anonymity were on their side.  One woman shot in the head.  So if this is you, it isn't over until you are home safe.  

The Ds pander to Antifa/BLM (and maybe provide funds and support) but they do not own (or control) them.  The burning, looting and rioting have clearly hurt the Ds in this election, but they still will not come out against Antifa/BLM in any significant way (same with media).  BLM/Antifa are sort of keeping up the pressure (and the training/practice), but not significantly escalating the violence.  And BTW, the B in BLM is pure cover; they are violent Marxists and there are plenty of white BLM members.  But after Trump is reelected (or maybe even Biden), the word is they will amp up significantly and increase the level of violence into deadly force (with small arms and with Molotov's and even bombs) (and depart city centers and enter mostly white neighborhoods, at night).  I've read this from multiple sources (find them yourself).

The Seattle, Portland, yada D city fathers, in pandering to these sh!theads, have allowed them very valuable confidence building, training (and recruiting) ground for further action, and I'm afraid it is coming.  I hope I'm wrong.

The best advice obviously is to stay clear away from anywhere this can be happening.  And to be ready if it comes to you and yours.

[semo97]

 Situation, numbers against you,  depends on reaction, I just hope I can laugh in there face.

[Serk]

I wouldn't escalate, I wouldn't start anything, but I also would NOT give their fascist salute if demanded, as they've started doing.

[scooperhsd]

Gee Serk - I can see them backing down real quick if you just stood up 

[..]

As Jess wrote

So if this is you, it isn't over until you are home safe.  

The feral scum are cowards and as we've seen from numerous videos the sucker punch is a favorite tactic.

[old2soon]

       I would PREFER it should Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson and Mr. KelTech NOT be needed but I am on the other hand too cursed old to take an ass whippin. Salute-say her name? REALLY? I've already stated should I be leaving I am NOT leaving alone. The "peaceful protesters" play nice near me I'll play nice. Otherwise All bets are OFF. Truthfully-I'd rather NEVER have that situation thrust upon me and mine.
                                                      RIDE SAFE.

[Patrick]

Good responses

[Bret SD]

After 33 yrs of karate practice..  I/we, would get up and walk away, fighting a mob is something I wouldn't recommend to anyone, no matter who you are or what you can do.. or think you can do.

[f6john]

That would not go over well with me at all.  You'd probably see your liberal buddy Alien on the news.

But it’s your liberal buddies! It’s behavior that’s being ignored or called a summer of love by people you are going to stand behind this election cycle. It’s behavior that the vice presidential candidate that your backing says to fund the bail to let these people back out after they are arrested.

[Patrick]

 ' or think you can do. '



Thats a biggie.  I know I can't do what I used to, but, turning and walking away would be hard to do even though its probably best.


I think I'd have a chat with the owner. That might determine whether I'd go back or not.

[Bret SD]

' or think you can do. '



Thats a biggie.  I know I can't do what I used to, but, turning and walking away would be hard to do even though its probably best.


I think I'd have a chat with the owner. That might determine whether I'd go back or not.

Yes sir, walking would be hard to do.. I've done it on a couple of occasions that weren't anything like being harassed by a mob..

I did call one guy out for being beyond rude to my woman. In 33 yrs of practice I've only come close to violence on a few occasions, luckily it worked out. Nothing good comes from such confrontation.

These mobs will ground you in a heartbeat, then kick, beat and stomp you for literally 10 seconds. From that you'd likely be left with lifelong problems, assuming you survive.

There's a time and a place.. and that situation isn't it.

[..]

That would not go over well with me at all.  You'd probably see your liberal buddy Alien on the news.

But it’s your liberal buddies! It’s behavior that’s being ignored or called a summer of love by people you are going to stand behind this election cycle. It’s behavior that the vice presidential candidate that your backing says to fund the bail to let these people back out after they are arrested.

 

[Rams]

I think I'd have a chat with the owner. That might determine whether I'd go back or not.

Yep, I'd definitely ask for a "To Go" box. 

Rams   

[sheets]

I'd be the guy that gets out of his rig towards the end of the video - and tells the punk just exactly how the bear goes through the buckwheat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drkKnBkgJwQ&

I might get bruised in the process but I'd wear that bruise like a badge of honor.

[sandy]

AZ is a concealed carry state for anyone without a permit. These things don’t happen here.

[Ramie]

Tell them to sit down and buy them a beer.  Then when they start yelling at you about white privilege just laugh at them and tell them ya, white privilege is great.

[cookiedough]

After 33 yrs of karate practice..  I/we, would get up and walk away, fighting a mob is something I wouldn't recommend to anyone, no matter who you are or what you can do.. or think you can do.

absolutely good advice walk away not respond.  But what if they keep after you not only verbally but physically and more than 4-5 of them touching you in hurtful ways?    So you just going to take it and curl up in a ball to avoid more injury not fighting back?    I think that would be smart, but my emotions being a HOT head if ticked off,  would get the better of me and I would go down swinging taking a few with me I think?    It would depend on how many are ticking me off or hurting me and what my mood is like at that time.   I can still swing, I think, a mean baseball bat but vs. a gun,  not going to win.

[CoreyP]

We see more and more of these 'protesters' approaching and harassing older couples just trying to have a nice quiet dinner. What if you were part of that couple.

Where is this happening? I have heard nothing about anything like this?

What is the point of harassing people who are dining out? What protesters?

[The emperor has no clothes]

We see more and more of these 'protesters' approaching and harassing older couples just trying to have a nice quiet dinner. What if you were part of that couple.

Where is this happening? I have heard nothing about anything like this?

What is the point of harassing people who are dining out? What protesters?

Fox News

[Serk]

We see more and more of these 'protesters' approaching and harassing older couples just trying to have a nice quiet dinner. What if you were part of that couple.

Where is this happening? I have heard nothing about anything like this?

What is the point of harassing people who are dining out? What protesters?

One of the Democrats/BLM/Antifa new tactics is to harass people trying to eat their dinner, and demand they pledge allegiance to their fascist ideals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSnTTND0UcM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP1JU8aZJ54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujJm8Hn5sIc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D51LodDTI6Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-rTnWINmUA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqzAjWZwAVg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxjJPZF4P_s

[CoreyP]

We see more and more of these 'protesters' approaching and harassing older couples just trying to have a nice quiet dinner. What if you were part of that couple.

Where is this happening? I have heard nothing about anything like this?

What is the point of harassing people who are dining out? What protesters?

One of the Democrats/BLM/Antifa new tactics is to harass people trying to eat their dinner, and demand they pledge allegiance to their fascist ideals:

You aren't using the right word, this isn't fascism. There is no centralized power. More like French revolution type stuff.

This just wouldn't happen where I am. For the most part I live in a fairly wealthy swamp so......just another reason to flea the cities.

[Patrick]

We see more and more of these 'protesters' approaching and harassing older couples just trying to have a nice quiet dinner. What if you were part of that couple.

Where is this happening? I have heard nothing about anything like this?

What is the point of harassing people who are dining out? What protesters?

As Serk's links show, its happening all over. Its now happening where we spend the winter and the videos have been shown a number of times. And, of course, they were shown on Fox. You won't see this on MSM.

[Bret SD]

After 33 yrs of karate practice..  I/we, would get up and walk away, fighting a mob is something I wouldn't recommend to anyone, no matter who you are or what you can do.. or think you can do.

absolutely good advice walk away not respond.  But what if they keep after you not only verbally but physically and more than 4-5 of them touching you in hurtful ways?    So you just going to take it and curl up in a ball to avoid more injury not fighting back?    I think that would be smart, but my emotions being a HOT head if ticked off,  would get the better of me and I would go down swinging taking a few with me I think?    It would depend on how many are ticking me off or hurting me and what my mood is like at that time.   I can still swing, I think, a mean baseball bat but vs. a gun,  not going to win.

Good question cookiedough, my goal would be to escape and protect those with me, if cornered I'd do what I had to for survival of myself and those with me, running is also a very good defense, or at least moving the battlefield to a more advantageous position.. if they can get behind you or to your blind side you're in deep sh!t.

Standing and fighting in the middle of a mob is going to get you killed or badly injured.
Do I get mad? Oh yeah.. controlling that fear and anger by channeling it into a good defense strategy is critical, and part of training.

If cornered I'd do as you say, and employ the most injurious and lethal techniques I've practiced thousands of times.. at that point, it's down to life and death and I'd have nothing to lose.

Fact is, there is no good outcome in that situation, other than escape.

It's sad we're down to talking about this as a real possibility.. such is the state of our Union it seems..  for now.

Guns are a better defense, and nearly anybody can use one if trained.

[Patrick]

We see more and more of these 'protesters' approaching and harassing older couples just trying to have a nice quiet dinner. What if you were part of that couple.

Where is this happening? I have heard nothing about anything like this?

What is the point of harassing people who are dining out? What protesters?

One of the Democrats/BLM/Antifa new tactics is to harass people trying to eat their dinner, and demand they pledge allegiance to their fascist ideals:

You aren't using the right word, this isn't fascism. There is no centralized power. More like French revolution type stuff.

This just wouldn't happen where I am. For the most part I live in a fairly wealthy swamp so......just another reason to flea the cities.

I'm all in on sending Flea's to the parts of the cities where the 'protesters' live.   

[MAD6Gun]

We see more and more of these 'protesters' approaching and harassing older couples just trying to have a nice quiet dinner. What if you were part of that couple.

Where is this happening? I have heard nothing about anything like this?

What is the point of harassing people who are dining out? What protesters?

Fox News

 It's all over Facebook. I've seen multiple videos of these thugs intimidating innocent people just trying to have a nice dinner. One even drank a guy's beer. If you would get your head out of your posterior and take off the blinders and watch something other then CNN and pro Democrat TV you might see it.