Debate Round 1

[Rams]

Biden stated flatly that he was the democratic party at least twice.

Should Biden win, we're all in trouble........
I could be wrong but, Biden doesn't have all that much support from many Democrats but he has quite a bit of support from Trump haters.   There is a difference.   Admittedly, Trump got my vote because I couldn't stand the thought of HRC in the Oval office.   

Reference SCOTUS, I'll never be convinced that if the roles were reversed, the Democrats would be holding off nominating a Justice until after the election.   Yet, they don't want Trump to do that.   This, is one area the President shined, he has nominated more judges than any other President in history.   

Both candidates exaggerated some things but, Biden outright lied or, denied some things are are known to be factual.

A very disappointing performance.

Realizing no one is going to change sides based on this debate but, this debate did show who's up for the job.  YMMV

Rams

[Robert]

I didnt watch, knew what was going to be the outcome and would look for the earpiece, monitor, or cheat sheet that Biden would use. Does anyone know if they actually did drug test Biden before the debate?

[Robert]

POTUS Coached by Chris Christie and his view of performance “Too Hot”

https://www.nj.com/politics/2020/09/christie-helped-trump-prep-for-first-presidential-debate-but-said-result-was-hotter-than-expected.html

 

Now that was funny thanks for posting. Like setting a match to gasoline and telling it to not burn everything down.

[Alien]

Fact check on both candidates comments during the debate.

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-ap-fact-check-joe-biden-donald-trump-health-cbc3c669510b06475fef63fe766542b7

[98valk]

Fact check on both candidates comments during the debate.

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-ap-fact-check-joe-biden-donald-trump-health-cbc3c669510b06475fef63fe766542b7

what about the third debater wallace?

[Alien]

Fact check on both candidates comments during the debate.

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-ap-fact-check-joe-biden-donald-trump-health-cbc3c669510b06475fef63fe766542b7

what about the third debater wallace?

He was clearly defeated by both candidates.

[Willow]

...
Biden lied several times, lastly about calling the servicemen lazy/stupid bastards.
...

In truth he didn't deny it but said it was a joke.  It was but a poorly chosen joke.  Using it against him was a small example of what President Trump has gotten constantly from the left media.

[Alien]

Trump's lie about the Portland Sheriff supporting him didn't take long to be brought to light.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sheriff-in-portland-denies-trumps-debate-claim-of-winning-his-endorsement

[f6john]

I’m a loyal Fox News viewer so it has been evident to me that Wallace has been very edgy with Trump for a couple of years. I assumed he would set aside his perceptions of Trump for the debate and be totally neutral, he said he wanted to be so far in the background that no one would be able to remember who the moderator happened to be.

He failed all the way around. It was important to him to control the narrative than to have a good debate, regardless of who is deemed the winner.

[Hook#3287]

The look at the end of the debate says it all...lol

I don't know Bob.

I didn't watch the debate, but based on those pictures and what the discussion is here,  I see one candidate unhappy with the out come or process and another candidate as a smiling polished politician.

[98valk]

Fact Check: Chris Wallace and Joe Biden Repeat Charlottesville ‘Very Fine People Hoax’ at Presidential Debate

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/29/fact-check-chris-wallace-and-joe-biden-repeat-charlottesville-very-fine-people-hoax-at-debate/

[Chrisj CMA]

All I will say is that wasn’t really a debate it was a brawl and Biden has the black eyes. Seriously he lost  all credibility and probably pissed off all his support. He is like the Titanic when the ship just hit the berg. Old Joe will be taking on water and he will sink.

[Alien]

All I will say is that wasn’t really a debate it was a brawl and Biden has the black eyes. Seriously he lost  all credibility and probably pissed off all his support. He is like the Titanic when the ship just hit the berg. Old Joe will be taking on water and he will sink.

An actual brawl wouldn't have any less embarassing or any more usless than that debate but at least it would have been over quicker.

[98valk]

FACT CHECK CLAIM: “We left him a booming economy and he caused a recession,” Joe Biden said Tuesday. VERDICT: False. Twice.
Economic growth had nearly come to a standstill by the end of the Obama administration, verging on recession. The economy grew at a perilous 1.6 percent in 2016 and growth was declining. In the first quarter of 2017, the last in which Barack Obama was president, the rate of GDP growth fell to 1.4 percent.
There’s no reasonable interpretation of recent history in which Donald Trump can be accused of causing the recession. The truth is that the recession was inevitable once the global pandemic hit. That’s proven by the fact that the economies of every major industrialized nation contracted due to either the pandemic itself or measures taken to combat it.

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/09/29/fact-check-biden-says-obama-biden-left-trump-a-booming-economy-and-trump-caused-a-recession/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook

[_Sheffjs_]

30 million cheered at once.

(I wish he'd have used the f word though)

For you delusional folk who think Trump did himself any favors tonight, think again.

Honestly I don't like either of them but I have to make a choice.

I think their are very few undecided people so the debates are more for entertainment. The problem is the 2 political parties are too far apart on their views. Views of everything, there seems to be no middle ground.

I do know some of these people just need to retire. Trump made a good point Biden has been in congress for 47 years, why didn't he change anything up to this point? The world moves forward and at some point you have realize you are to stuck in the past. That's about half of congress, we need some new people.

This is what's going to happen no matter who wins. The covid shut down is going to cripple cities budgets. In fact whole states, think about FL's economy? Tourist are gone and won't be back for a long time, FL lives on tourists.

The city people who can, are running for it. Where I am in SC houses are selling by internet, no in person visits. The builders can't keep up, they are selling everything they can build. Problem there is they are driving up our real estate prices in my area. Not good for the locals especially the young people around here. I have a house, it's worth triple what I built it for be which is good for me but not for the younger generation. That's a whole other problem.

With economic stress comes violence, it always does, time and time again in history. There will be violence and civil unrest going forward. 

Well, when you have the President of the United States telling a WhiteSupremisist group to "Stand back, Stand by" I would imagine that doesn't help quell civil unrest and violence. As to the problems of our economy, that's on Trump. We have screwed up the response to the pandemic so bad, I don't know if it's not irreparably hurt.

These huge groups that burn down cities and loot?   Where are they?  Only groups I see causing trouble is the ones the Ds support.  

[Patrick]

' ANTIFA is an idea, not a group or organization.'

[Robert]

 Biden and Trump each made a critical points

Biden’s was a tacit admission that, if he is elected president, he will preside over the end of the filibuster, allowing Democrats to pack the courts and add two new Democrat-majority states.

Trump’s point was that he’s holding damning evidence about the Democrats’ coup attempt.


Chris Wallace, in one of the few tough questions he posed to Biden, said this:

    So my question to you is, you have refused in the past to talk about it, are you willing to tell the American tonight whether or not you will support either ending the filibuster or packing the court?

Biden refused to answer, something the Trump quickly challenged. Here’s the colloquy:

    BIDEN: Whatever position I take on that, that’ll become the issue. The issue is the American people should speak. You should go out and vote. You’re voting now. Vote and let your Senators know strongly how you feel.

    TRUMP: Are you going to pack the court?

    BIDEN: Vote now.

    TRUMP: Are you going to pack the court?

    BIDEN: Make sure you, in fact, let people know, your Senators.

    TRUMP: He doesn’t want to answer the question.

    BIDEN: I’m not going to answer the question.

    TRUMP: Why wouldn’t you answer that question? You want to put a lot of new Supreme Court Justices. Radical left.

    BIDEN: Will you shut up, man?

    TRUMP: Listen, who is on your list, Joe? Who’s on your list?

    WALLACE: Gentlemen, I think we’ve ended this-

    BIDEN: This is so un-Presidential.

    TRUMP: He’s going to pack the court. He is not going to give a list.


So this is presidential material Biden refusing and not knowing how to answer and saying shut up to avoid the question. Trump was on it like a fly on sh@@ which I find appropriate since This is where the dems have been lying and fudging.

Biden could not make a decision without being told what that decision was sad very sad

Biden said:     "Whatever position I take on that, that’ll become the issue"

Really, that's an answer 

Do you really want this guys finger on the nuclear button or on the Iran problem, or even rioting in Seattle,or the economy, Covid, so many more issues,  NFW for me. I cant imagine the cluster f he would be in negotiation with another country over rights or money or any other issue that could come up. He cannot answer in a debate on relative safe ground what is he going to do in foreign or domestic policy decisions.

[The emperor has no clothes]

30 million cheered at once.

(I wish he'd have used the f word though)

For you delusional folk who think Trump did himself any favors tonight, think again.

Honestly I don't like either of them but I have to make a choice.

I think their are very few undecided people so the debates are more for entertainment. The problem is the 2 political parties are too far apart on their views. Views of everything, there seems to be no middle ground.

I do know some of these people just need to retire. Trump made a good point Biden has been in congress for 47 years, why didn't he change anything up to this point? The world moves forward and at some point you have realize you are to stuck in the past. That's about half of congress, we need some new people.

This is what's going to happen no matter who wins. The covid shut down is going to cripple cities budgets. In fact whole states, think about FL's economy? Tourist are gone and won't be back for a long time, FL lives on tourists.

The city people who can, are running for it. Where I am in SC houses are selling by internet, no in person visits. The builders can't keep up, they are selling everything they can build. Problem there is they are driving up our real estate prices in my area. Not good for the locals especially the young people around here. I have a house, it's worth triple what I built it for be which is good for me but not for the younger generation. That's a whole other problem.

With economic stress comes violence, it always does, time and time again in history. There will be violence and civil unrest going forward. 

Well, when you have the President of the United States telling a WhiteSupremisist group to "Stand back, Stand by" I would imagine that doesn't help quell civil unrest and violence. As to the problems of our economy, that's on Trump. We have screwed up the response to the pandemic so bad, I don't know if it's not irreparably hurt.

These huge groups that burn down cities and loot?   Where are they?  Only groups I see causing trouble is the ones the Ds support.  

Jerry, I wasn't giving any credence to the rioters and looters. If my statement came across that way, let me clarify. I think ANY and ALL rioters who commit violence and looting should be dealt with severely. But we can't lump any peaceful protesting into that group.

[..]

From Biden's campaign web site

Biden believes the Green New Deal is a crucial framework for meeting the climate challenges we face. It powerfully captures two basic truths, which are at the core of his plan: (1) the United States urgently needs to embrace greater ambition on an epic scale to meet the scope of this challenge, and (2) our environment and our economy are completely and totally connected.

[_Sheffjs_]

30 million cheered at once.

(I wish he'd have used the f word though)

For you delusional folk who think Trump did himself any favors tonight, think again.

Honestly I don't like either of them but I have to make a choice.

I think their are very few undecided people so the debates are more for entertainment. The problem is the 2 political parties are too far apart on their views. Views of everything, there seems to be no middle ground.

I do know some of these people just need to retire. Trump made a good point Biden has been in congress for 47 years, why didn't he change anything up to this point? The world moves forward and at some point you have realize you are to stuck in the past. That's about half of congress, we need some new people.

This is what's going to happen no matter who wins. The covid shut down is going to cripple cities budgets. In fact whole states, think about FL's economy? Tourist are gone and won't be back for a long time, FL lives on tourists.

The city people who can, are running for it. Where I am in SC houses are selling by internet, no in person visits. The builders can't keep up, they are selling everything they can build. Problem there is they are driving up our real estate prices in my area. Not good for the locals especially the young people around here. I have a house, it's worth triple what I built it for be which is good for me but not for the younger generation. That's a whole other problem.

With economic stress comes violence, it always does, time and time again in history. There will be violence and civil unrest going forward. 

Well, when you have the President of the United States telling a WhiteSupremisist group to "Stand back, Stand by" I would imagine that doesn't help quell civil unrest and violence. As to the problems of our economy, that's on Trump. We have screwed up the response to the pandemic so bad, I don't know if it's not irreparably hurt.

These huge groups that burn down cities and loot?   Where are they?  Only groups I see causing trouble is the ones the Ds support.  

Jerry, I wasn't giving any credence to the rioters and looters. If my statement came across that way, let me clarify. I think ANY and ALL rioters who commit violence and looting should be dealt with severely. But we can't lump any peaceful protesting into that group.

Then identify where the destruction of our city's are coming from, and you want to vote for that party and then come here and give us this nonsense of our vast army's of right wing trouble makers.  Either you want to build up this nation or destroy it.  I am disgusted at the D side and their promotion of destruction.  I grew up in Chicago................     

[The emperor has no clothes]

Jerry, the destruction in our cities comes from many places. It would take an hour to list all the ills and problems. I feel sad that you would feel that I would even consider tearing down our country.

[Rams]

Jerry, the destruction in our cities comes from many places. It would take an hour to list all the ills and problems. I feel sad that you would feel that I would even consider tearing down our country.

Guilt is a sad thing in anything for anyone.   This is one of those things where, you're either for law and order or not.  I almost didn't post this but, calling it like it is has to be done.   
Nothing wrong with protests but rioting is way past that.   Silence and/or refusing to call out who and what the rioters are is the same as taking their side IMO. 

Rams

[RDAbull]

Trump damaged himself badly last night by refusing to condemn white supremacist groups and refusing to commit to telling his supporters to remain peaceful during/after the election.  Those were MAJOR mistakes that will have grave consequences.

Ya, you are right, he did make the mistake of lowering himself to the level of democrats on this point.

But then again we conservatives aren't the kind of people that run around murdering, looting and burning down cities.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Jerry, the destruction in our cities comes from many places. It would take an hour to list all the ills and problems. I feel sad that you would feel that I would even consider tearing down our country.

Guilt is a sad thing in anything for anyone.   This is one of those things where, you're either for law and order or not.  I almost didn't post this but, calling it like it is has to be done.   
Nothing wrong with protests but rioting is way past that.   Silence and/or refusing to call out who and what the rioters are is the same as taking their side IMO. 

Rams

Post what you wish. You would still be wrong.

[Pete]

What a farce! Nothing new, nothing we did not already know, boorish and stupid on both sides.
You do not win friends and influence people with those kinda performances.

Why do they even show such CRAP.

I really could not stand to listen or watch either one and nothing last night changes that.

No minds/votes were changed last night, with the possible exception of it may have turned some voters off so they will not vote at all.

I just cannot stand stupid and that was the main display last night, I will not watch any more of it, but I will vote in November.

Politicians may be the only rational excuse for before and after birth abortions.

[..]

Telemundo poll on the debate

Trump 66%
Biden 34%

[Robert]

Dont know of the truth of this but.





Found out what these 2 items were.

The one on his lapel area is actually a wrinkle in his shirt

The one on his wrist is Rosary Beads.

Dont want false information spread.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Dont know of the truth of this but.

Of course you don't know the truth of it.

[_Sheffjs_]

So many people place everything on a man. I place my opinion on what I see by backing up and looking at the entire picture. My hometown is a royal mess. Name the city, go ahead, who runs it? Defund the police? Who spearheaded that nonsense? Have we lost our right from wrong? My answer is yes! From what I see the Ds have shown their colors and it is not for me.  I am not beating the R drums as no doubt there have been stupid wars and other issues I wish were different, however I only see the current situation with mass destruction on our land on a scale that discusses me, we clearly know who is behind it.

[baldo]

Guess we know why creepy Biden wouldn't agree to an ear exam before the "debate".....

What the hell???????

Is it real, or is it Memorex?

[CoreyP]

      Me thinks your age is showing, Mike Wallace ?  

Sorry ‘bout that.

Mike was an excellent reporter.

Iron Mike.

I must be a lot younger than you guys.  When I was growing up "Iron Mike" was Mike Tyson.

Me too. Iron Mike is Mike Tyson in my mind.

[The emperor has no clothes]

      Me thinks your age is showing, Mike Wallace ?  

Sorry ‘bout that.

Mike was an excellent reporter.

Iron Mike.

I must be a lot younger than you guys.  When I was growing up "Iron Mike" was Mike Tyson.

Me too. Iron Mike is Mike Tyson in my mind.

You guys must be pups. Mike Ditka is the true "Iron Mike" 

[Jersey mike]

So I’d like to pose a question regarding how The President was accused again during the debate of not acting on the Coronavirus issue early.

Biden accused The President of not sending OUR US scientists into China to investigate.

First of all China refused our help.

Second how does one country “just send” scientists into a country, especially a communist country who,are unwelcome?

I’m not a foreign diplomat or have any experience in international affairs so can someone explain how The President was suppose to get our scientists into China to search for the truth and help when China refused our or any outside assistance except from the WHO at a later date.

[Robert]

Did Trump ‘Refuse to Condemn’ White Supremacists at Debate?
"Who do you want me to condemn? Who?" the president asked Fox News moderator Chris Wallace, in an extraordinary exchange during the first presidential debate in September 2020.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-condemn-white-supremacists/


What's True

During the debate, Trump was repeatedly asked and invited to explicitly and clearly condemn white supremacists, and he did not do that.

What's False

Trump did not verbally articulate that he was unwilling to condemn white supremacists, or would not do so, and in fact said, "Sure, I'm willing to do that."


Also why is no one talking about this

White radicals? ANTIFA.com still goes to 'Biden for President' website

If KKK.com or AryanNation.com redirected to the Trump/Pence campaign website, it would be a major story that the media would use, mercilessly, to tar the president. Why, Trump was asked at Tuesday night’s debate, again, to disavow white supremacists even though he has done so in the past and has no association with them. This is why it’s striking that Democratic nominee Joe Biden isn’t ever asked about a certain curious fact:

The domain Antifa.com resolves not to an explicitly Antifa-oriented site — but to the Biden/Harris campaign webpage.

[Patrick]

      Me thinks your age is showing, Mike Wallace ?  

Sorry ‘bout that.

Mike was an excellent reporter.

Iron Mike.

I must be a lot younger than you guys.  When I was growing up "Iron Mike" was Mike Tyson.

Me too. Iron Mike is Mike Tyson in my mind.

You guys are youngsters. Iron Mike Wallace of 60 Minutes.

[baldo]

Did Trump ‘Refuse to Condemn’ White Supremacists at Debate?
"Who do you want me to condemn? Who?" the president asked Fox News moderator Chris Wallace, in an extraordinary exchange during the first presidential debate in September 2020.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-condemn-white-supremacists/


What's True

During the debate, Trump was repeatedly asked and invited to explicitly and clearly condemn white supremacists, and he did not do that.

What's False

Trump did not verbally articulate that he was unwilling to condemn white supremacists, or would not do so, and in fact said, "Sure, I'm willing to do that."


Also why is no one talking about this

White radicals? ANTIFA.com still goes to 'Biden for President' website

If KKK.com or AryanNation.com redirected to the Trump/Pence campaign website, it would be a major story that the media would use, mercilessly, to tar the president. Why, Trump was asked at Tuesday night’s debate, again, to disavow white supremacists even though he has done so in the past and has no association with them. This is why it’s striking that Democratic nominee Joe Biden isn’t ever asked about a certain curious fact:

The domain Antifa.com resolves not to an explicitly Antifa-oriented site — but to the Biden/Harris campaign webpage.

*sigh*

www.iamarussianspy.com

Try it.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Did Trump ‘Refuse to Condemn’ White Supremacists at Debate?
"Who do you want me to condemn? Who?" the president asked Fox News moderator Chris Wallace, in an extraordinary exchange during the first presidential debate in September 2020.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-condemn-white-supremacists/


What's True

During the debate, Trump was repeatedly asked and invited to explicitly and clearly condemn white supremacists, and he did not do that.

What's False

Trump did not verbally articulate that he was unwilling to condemn white supremacists, or would not do so, and in fact said, "Sure, I'm willing to do that."


Also why is no one talking about this

White radicals? ANTIFA.com still goes to 'Biden for President' website

If KKK.com or AryanNation.com redirected to the Trump/Pence campaign website, it would be a major story that the media would use, mercilessly, to tar the president. Why, Trump was asked at Tuesday night’s debate, again, to disavow white supremacists even though he has done so in the past and has no association with them. This is why it’s striking that Democratic nominee Joe Biden isn’t ever asked about a certain curious fact:

The domain Antifa.com resolves not to an explicitly Antifa-oriented site — but to the Biden/Harris campaign webpage.

*sigh*

www.iamarussianspy.com

Try it.

Isn't it strange how these stories circle around in the bubble ?

[Robert]

*sigh*

www.iamarussianspy.com

Try it.

I did it does not go to Antifa so what are you showing. I am not being difficult but it does nothing inappropriate, nor does it direct you to anywhere inappropriate so Im not sure what you are trying to say.

Sites that redirect are nothing new but where do they redirect to?

[Romeo]

30 million cheered at once.

(I wish he'd have used the f word though)

For you delusional folk who think Trump did himself any favors tonight, think again.

Honestly I don't like either of them but I have to make a choice.

I think their are very few undecided people so the debates are more for entertainment. The problem is the 2 political parties are too far apart on their views. Views of everything, there seems to be no middle ground.

I do know some of these people just need to retire. Trump made a good point Biden has been in congress for 47 years, why didn't he change anything up to this point? The world moves forward and at some point you have realize you are to stuck in the past. That's about half of congress, we need some new people.

This is what's going to happen no matter who wins. The covid shut down is going to cripple cities budgets. In fact whole states, think about FL's economy? Tourist are gone and won't be back for a long time, FL lives on tourists.

The city people who can, are running for it. Where I am in SC houses are selling by internet, no in person visits. The builders can't keep up, they are selling everything they can build. Problem there is they are driving up our real estate prices in my area. Not good for the locals especially the young people around here. I have a house, it's worth triple what I built it for be which is good for me but not for the younger generation. That's a whole other problem.

With economic stress comes violence, it always does, time and time again in history. There will be violence and civil unrest going forward.  

the first thing anyone has said in this thread that makes some sense. To many people with open mouths and closed minds. I am forced to vote for Trump because of my fear of what the Dems will do to our nation. I don’t trust any of them, not one. I just hope we can survive the carnage when and if Trump is re-elected.

[Romeo]

That’s wasn’t a debate. That’s was two 8 yr olds arguing over who’s spilled the milk at the kitchen table.
What a disgrace.