debate one man's viewpoint

[Oss]

I thought the moderator did the best job of any of them

The turning off the mic thing was implemented well with drop out before total cut and both candidates
respected the format

Unfortunately one candidate refused to answer several questions,  the laptop questions, the lie about Obama's cages for kids and the fracking questions but Biden did say at the end he would cut out fracking and oil   Minimum wage should be state thing Biden is dead wrong as he was wrong on N Korea  I remember pretty well Obama saying we could have war there

Trumps only mistake was not seizing the opportunity to say his regulations could be used to protect those families working in oil towns, Biden was sharp enough to jump on that  But he should have admitted that the IRS by refusing to end the audit is to blame for the taxes staying secret  Trump as all self employed people pays estimated  These are correctly called pre payments by some as you dont want a penalty in April for what you didnt know you would make that year.  

Glad to see Trump read my emails begging him to tone it down  

Hunter's laptop will lead to his arrest on many kinds of charges and may bring his dad down

Certainly it was an entertaining evening

[Willow]

I watched.  At the end of the debate one of the left leaning commentators complained that Melania Trump came upon the stage without a mask.  Talk about stupid!  She has had and recovered from COVID-19.  She can neither catch nor transmit the virus.  Is there no limit to the stupidity that seems to be at large?

[f6gal]

I watched.  At the end of the debate one of the left leaning commentators complained that Melania Trump came upon the stage without a mask.  Talk about stupid!  She has had and recovered from COVID-19.  She can neither catch nor transmit the virus.  Is there no limit to the stupidity that seems to be at large?

Melania was wearing a mask.

[Willow]

I watched.  At the end of the debate one of the left leaning commentators complained that Melania Trump came upon the stage without a mask.  Talk about stupid!  She has had and recovered from COVID-19.  She can neither catch nor transmit the virus.  Is there no limit to the stupidity that seems to be at large?

Melania was wearing a mask.

Yes, I saw that.  He claimed she wasn't when she first came up.  I was addressing his stupid complaint.

[Jersey mike]

Biden lied through his teeth last night and kept on smiling.

When he claimed he never said “I will ban fracking” I almost choked.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=smNI79zCr00

I can’t find the video where he says to the young lady at a press conference with woods or a park in the background as he walked over to her and raised his ballcap  “look in my eyes, we will ban fracking”

Does Joe not know all this stuff is now on video.

I wish Don would have hit him with his affiliation to Sen. Byrd.


I’d like to add this on the subject of banning fossil fuels; what do you tell people who use natural gas to heat their homes, heat their water and cook? There are millions of homes and businesses in just the north east alone who rely on natural gas for these purposes. If and when my power goes out I can still use my gas fireplace for heat and my water heater still makes hot water and I can still cook on my stove.

Are the millions of us natural gas users suppose to convert our homes to electric appliances?  What about the businesses that make those products? Gas furnaces, gas dryers, gas water heaters, gas ovens and stoves and gas fireplaces just stop those lines of production?

What will airplanes use for fuel? Maybe fossil fuels but taxed to infinity and beyond?

Where does that leave our military on fossil fuels? Sorry general, our tank needs to recharge so we can’t advance any further or our jets trying to recharge in mid air instead of refueling.

[Rams]

I also watched the debate.   It only confirmed my thoughts and since I've already voted, made me glad I have.   

This morning, I went to several of the different "fact checking" sites to see what they had to say.   Although not surprised, I was still amazed at how the "fact checking" responded to some of the well known issues.       Fact Checking and how the response was worded was obviously based in the bias already present with each different source.

Getting the truth seems very difficult.   Although most agreed on the facts, they all represented their "bias" in their responses, some are varied but it's obvious where the different medias stand and which candidate those medias support in how the responded to the facts.

Rams

[G-Man]

Saw a montage of CNN, NBC, and others declaring the laptop and e-mails and the Biden money grabing are all just Right wing conspiracy theories.  Demonstrates even further their bias as they won't cover nor even investigate.  As Ben Shapiro would say "So much journalisming going on".

[scooperhsd]

That anti-fracking / anti fossil fuel stand is , as you put it, beyond stupid.

Our house is heated and yes hot water, and shortly all cooking will be on natural gas. We currently have one electric range (model year 2000) that oven locks (and use) of the top oven are broke, and no replacements available. The LCD control panel - hard / impossible to read temp and setting - again - parts not available. MIL has a pretty basic gas range downstairs, and I'm making preps to put a gas range upstairs (gas line  on Monday). For the moment, the electric outlet for the range will be left alone.

[Rams]

That anti-fracking / anti fossil fuel stand is , as you put it, beyond stupid.

Our house is heated and yes hot water, and shortly all cooking will be on natural gas. We currently have one electric range (model year 2000) that oven locks (and use) of the top oven are broke, and no replacements available. The LCD control panel - hard / impossible to read temp and setting - again - parts not available. MIL has a pretty basic gas range downstairs, and I'm making preps to put a gas range upstairs (gas line  on Monday). For the moment, the electric outlet for the range will be left alone.

We just moved from an all electric home to propane for heating water, cooking on the range top and a non-vented fireplace.    Wish I had the Natural Gas option but, not available here.   We went with the whole house spray in foam insulation.   We're very happy with the results.  

Science is going to have to make some major progress to achieve the results VP Biden is suggesting.   His goals reference energy are interesting but, he's making promises he can't keep and writing checks his body can't cash.
Sorry but, he's more qualified to be Governor of CA than President of the US.

Rams

[Robert]

Glad you guys reviewed it for me since I didnt watch it.  If they cannot use the excuse of preservation of the planet they cannot take more money from everyone. Solyndra's money was gone in seconds. A good video that explains the problems with solar and wind and fully disputes Biden's claims.

Science is going to have to make some major progress to achieve the results VP Biden is suggesting.   His goals reference energy are interesting but, he's making promises he can't keep and writing checks his body can't cash.
Sorry but, he's more qualified to be Governor of CA than President of the US.

Rams

Mark Mills, Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, analyzes the true cost — both economic and environmental — of so-called green energy.
https://youtu.be/RqppRC37OgI

[F6Dave]

I wonder how the Biden supporters here plan to re-purpose their Valkyries in 4 years.  2025 is just over 4 years away, and Joe claimed he'd end the oil industry by then.  He later morphed the date into 2035, but even that is a mere 14 years off.  No more Valkyries, classic cars, airplanes, or affordable heat and air conditioning.  And even worse, energy RATIONING!  That's because there simply is no way our energy needs can be met with wind and solar.  California's blackouts will spread to the rest of the nation.

This is a major, transformational policy proposal.  Anyone voting for Joe should realize he will empower a radical movement that will drastically change your life.  The Biden supporters here need to answer the simple question:  is this what I really want?  Or, do I hate Trump so much that I'm letting emotions make my decisions?

[f6john]

Well if Texas and Pennsylvania were ever in play for the Democrats, Biden surely put the last nail in that coffin.

[Rams]

I wonder how the Biden supporters here plan to re-purpose their Valkyries in 4 years.  2025 is just over 4 years away, and Joe claimed he'd end the oil industry by then.  He later morphed the date into 2035, but even that is a mere 14 years off.  No more Valkyries, classic cars, airplanes, or affordable heat and air conditioning.  And even worse, energy RATIONING!  That's because there simply is no way our energy needs can be met with wind and solar.  California's blackouts will spread to the rest of the nation.

This is a major, transformational policy proposal.  Anyone voting for Joe should realize he will empower a radical movement that will drastically change your life.  The Biden supporters here need to answer the simple question:  is this what I really want?  Or, do I hate Trump so much that I'm letting emotions make my decisions?

Dave, you're so pessimistic.  

Scientist will soon have developed a really long extension cord to orbiting solar satellites that will carry the additional electricity down to us.   But, be prepared for less sunlight getting through to us then.
   Reference those minerals we'll need, NASA hopes to start mining the moon.   See there, all our problem are just a fairy tale away.  

Rams  

[..]

I wonder how the Biden supporters here plan to re-purpose their Valkyries in 4 years.  2025 is just over 4 years away, and Joe claimed he'd end the oil industry by then.  He later morphed the date into 2035, but even that is a mere 14 years off.  No more Valkyries, classic cars, airplanes, or affordable heat and air conditioning.  And even worse, energy RATIONING!  That's because there simply is no way our energy needs can be met with wind and solar.  California's blackouts will spread to the rest of the nation.

This is a major, transformational policy proposal.  Anyone voting for Joe should realize he will empower a radical movement that will drastically change your life.  The Biden supporters here need to answer the simple question:  is this what I really want?  Or, do I hate Trump so much that I'm letting emotions make my decisions?

Someone might finish his RV remodel by 2035 and get a few fossil miles driven in it.  

[F6Dave]

Scenes from Mad Max come to mind!

[old2soon]

          I firmly BELIEVE one candidate and only one candidate suffers completely from cranial rectal inversion. RIDE SAFE.

[carolinarider09]

I wonder how the Biden supporters here plan to re-purpose their Valkyries in 4 years.  2025 is just over 4 years away, and Joe claimed he'd end the oil industry by then.  He later morphed the date into 2035, but even that is a mere 14 years off.  No more Valkyries, classic cars, airplanes, or affordable heat and air conditioning.  And even worse, energy RATIONING!  That's because there simply is no way our energy needs can be met with wind and solar.  California's blackouts will spread to the rest of the nation.

This is a major, transformational policy proposal.  Anyone voting for Joe should realize he will empower a radical movement that will drastically change your life.  The Biden supporters here need to answer the simple question:  is this what I really want?  Or, do I hate Trump so much that I'm letting emotions make my decisions?

This is the truth.  You cannot, not today, not tomorrow, supply the energy needs of the current world population with the current standard of living using solar and wind. 

Wind is useless except to sort of add to the mix.  It cannot be relied on.

Solar, cannot be relied on because of the potential of clouds. 

Electric cars are just a wink and a nod to the notion of "green" transportation.  You have to charge the car somewhere. 

Envision a trip in your new electric car.  You have a mileage range (we will say its 450 miles).  You plan your trip, with a stop at lets say 400 miles since you have to charge the car.  You stop, get dinner, check in to the motel and settle in (oh and your car is on a charger that will take up to 8 hours to fully charge).

You get a call and have an emergency at home.  You cannot unplug the car and head home.  You have to wait until its charged.  So, you wait for the car to finish charging or you rent a "real" car and head home.

Its all balderdash. 

It can never work unless, and this is a big unless, you get batteries you can charge in 30 minutes or less.  Otherwise, an electric car for long distance reliable transportation is useless. 

And for what, a notion that is not supported by reliable science that we, through our use of fossil fuels are causing what they call "Global Warming" and then "Climate Change".   

Just in case you wondered. 

The Roadmap to Nowhere (The myth of powering the nation with renewable eneregy)

http://www.roadmaptonowhere.com/?fbclid=IwAR2sMccupieAnk5AI9f8tz5MkRmKtTllW0sQzHzJuiewfgPknbgBwcNHURI

[..]

I wonder how the Biden supporters here plan to re-purpose their Valkyries in 4 years.  2025 is just over 4 years away, and Joe claimed he'd end the oil industry by then.  He later morphed the date into 2035, but even that is a mere 14 years off.  No more Valkyries, classic cars, airplanes, or affordable heat and air conditioning.  And even worse, energy RATIONING!  That's because there simply is no way our energy needs can be met with wind and solar.  California's blackouts will spread to the rest of the nation.

This is a major, transformational policy proposal.  Anyone voting for Joe should realize he will empower a radical movement that will drastically change your life.  The Biden supporters here need to answer the simple question:  is this what I really want?  Or, do I hate Trump so much that I'm letting emotions make my decisions?

This is the truth.  You cannot, not today, not tomorrow, supply the energy needs of the current world population with the current standard of living using solar and wind. 

Wind is useless except to sort of add to the mix.  It cannot be relied on.

Solar, cannot be relied on because of the potential of clouds. 

Electric cars are just a wink and a nod to the notion of "green" transportation.  You have to charge the car somewhere. 

Envision a trip in your new electric car.  You have a mileage range (we will say its 450 miles).  You plan your trip, with a stop at lets say 400 miles since you have to charge the car.  You stop, get dinner, check in to the motel and settle in (oh and your car is on a charger that will take up to 8 hours to fully charge).

You get a call and have an emergency at home.  You cannot unplug the car and head home.  You have to wait until its charged.  So, you wait for the car to finish charging or you rent a "real" car and head home.

Its all balderdash. 

It can never work unless, and this is a big unless, you get batteries you can charge in 30 minutes or less.  Otherwise, an electric car for long distance reliable transportation is useless. 

And for what, a notion that is not supported by reliable science that we, through our use of fossil fuels are causing what they call "Global Warming" and then "Climate Change".   

Just in case you wondered. 

The Roadmap to Nowhere (The myth of powering the nation with renewable eneregy)

http://www.roadmaptonowhere.com/?fbclid=IwAR2sMccupieAnk5AI9f8tz5MkRmKtTllW0sQzHzJuiewfgPknbgBwcNHURI

Battery pack out.

Battery pack in.

Drive on.

If they are standardised.

[Oss]

what a company did in Israel (and I think they went bust) was to have stations where the batteries are swapped out.

Kind of like Nascar does with tires except a few minutes longer

Was a terrific idea in theory as the desert has lost of good sun for charging stuff but as always the
devil was in the details

I dont think I have ever heard of the windmills along the Columbia river not spinning, or along the Great Lakes or southern California    But if you care about birds..............

[F6Dave]

Quick change battery packs could work, kind of like the way people swap propane tanks for the BBQ.  But the question remains:  where will you get all that electricity?  I saw an estimate that to replace our current power grid (not included millions of electric vehicles) with wind and solar would require using HALF of the nation's land mass for turbines and panels.  It's a green fantasy.

[f6gal]

I watched.  At the end of the debate one of the left leaning commentators complained that Melania Trump came upon the stage without a mask.  Talk about stupid!  She has had and recovered from COVID-19.  She can neither catch nor transmit the virus.  Is there no limit to the stupidity that seems to be at large?

Melania was wearing a mask.

Yes, I saw that.  He claimed she wasn't when she first came up.  I was addressing his stupid complaint.

Did you check his pants?  They were probably on fire.  

BTW, Melania should probably still wear a mask, she has a "lingering cough."

[scooperhsd]

The trip I took out to Denver from KC on I-70 was an eye-opening experiance - literally hundreds (maybe thousands) of windmills in NW Kansas (if anywhere has reliable windpower, it's the Great Plains - it's even  more reliable than the Outer Banks of NC / Chicago/ etc.). And then couple years later I found out about the bird problem. So - do you want the windpower, or do you want birds ? In an ideal world - we want both.

Solar power - every acre that is used for solar power can't be used for agriculture. Agriculture is Big Business in Kansas - we aren't called the bread basket of the country for nothing (BTW - this is heavily dependent on fossil fuels). ONE Kansas farmer feeds 125-160 other people, depending on how old the sign is   . Even if you can move the solar power to places that are useless for anything else - you still have transmission and distribution to think about. And the natural flow of life will be disrupted.

[old2soon]

    In southern cal I've seen grape orchards given over to warehouses and shopping malls and housing. The grapes were prettier. I've seen wheat fields in southern Colorado given over to wind farms. I've seen Formerly Beautiful mountains in cal given over to wind farms. I agree-you go Total electric WHERE is the tricity comin from. "they" don't want nuke "they" don't want fossil the rest is pure pipe dream. Or more severe cranila rectal inversion. RIDE SAFE.

[carolinarider09]

Quote:

Battery pack out.

Battery pack in.

Drive on.

If they are standardised.

Battery Specs from website below (I have not fact checked it but it is what I had mentally figured).

The weight of a car/vehicle battery is in the range of 650 pounds.

So, battery out, will require a device, lift, or four or five people and a sling.

Same for battery in.

Now, where do you store a 650 pound battery in an electric powered car?  The trunk?

No, the concept of a battery powered vehicle that one can use as one uses a car today is not possible.  Not with todays technology. 

http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/wiki/battery-specs/

[scooperhsd]

I believe the battery packs are all over the interior of the car, behind the upholstry. They are sensitive to heat, so they want them in a "climate controlled space". So you can have standardized "battery packs" - but do YOU want to pullout all of them and replace them with charged ones ? Yeah , I didn't think so either. The "battery powered car" (much less motorcycle) is going to be constrained to pretty much what we have now (barring a dramatic leap in battery technology).

[Rams]

You guys are no fun.   I had a plan.   Here I was thinking free energy, we could provide lots of methane to power our vehicles but, the wife won't let me eat beans all the time.   She has absolutely no sense of humor. 

Rams

[Avanti]

While driving through the corn belt and the great plains try imagining farm equipment and corn dryers running on electricity. I get hungry just thinking about it.

[Jersey mike]

I wonder how the Biden supporters here plan to re-purpose their Valkyries in 4 years.  2025 is just over 4 years away, and Joe claimed he'd end the oil industry by then.  He later morphed the date into 2035, but even that is a mere 14 years off.  No more Valkyries, classic cars, airplanes, or affordable heat and air conditioning.  And even worse, energy RATIONING!  That's because there simply is no way our energy needs can be met with wind and solar.  California's blackouts will spread to the rest of the nation.

This is a major, transformational policy proposal.  Anyone voting for Joe should realize he will empower a radical movement that will drastically change your life.  The Biden supporters here need to answer the simple question:  is this what I really want?  Or, do I hate Trump so much that I'm letting emotions make my decisions?

This makes me thing we’re heading backwards. Back to burning wood, riding horses, pulling carts, no more chainsaws, lawnmowers, string trimmers or pressure washers or gas generators.

What about all the commercial fishermen,and recreational fishermen and casual boaters. The marine industry would just fail. Gasoline and diesel would most likely be priced with a green tax included.


I got a big laugh out of The President’s “tiny little windows” comment.

[carolinarider09]

You are not far off Jersey Mike. 

It has been postulated and even written about, the main purpose of the Climate Activists (the ones at the top, not the rank and file) is population control. 

The earth has too many people.  Fewer people need to be living here.  Down sizing is part of the Climate Change dream. 

Link below.

The scientists make specific calls for policymakers to quickly implement systemic change to energy, food, and economic policies. But they go one step further, into the politically fraught territory of population control. It “must be stabilized—and, ideally, gradually reduced—within a framework that ensures social integrity,” they write.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-05/scientists-call-for-population-control-in-mass-climate-alarm

[Jersey mike]

Here’s a great comment from a Georgia Representative on the issue of coyotes and illegal immigration.

And she’s apparently a corporate attorney.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar'shun_Kendrick


Her comment here;
https://mobile.twitter.com/DarshunKendrick/status/1319459569073008641

Ya can’t make up this stuff.

[Willow]

I watched.  At the end of the debate one of the left leaning commentators complained that Melania Trump came upon the stage without a mask.  Talk about stupid!  She has had and recovered from COVID-19.  She can neither catch nor transmit the virus.  Is there no limit to the stupidity that seems to be at large?

Melania was wearing a mask.

Yes, I saw that.  He claimed she wasn't when she first came up.  I was addressing his stupid complaint.

Did you check his pants?  They were probably on fire.  

BTW, Melania should probably still wear a mask, she has a "lingering cough."

LOL!  

If she's been tested and confirmed clear then whatever cough she has is likely due to yet unhealed damage rather than continuing viral infection.  Anyway, if the cough is the only issue doesn't covering one's mouth do the same as a mask?

Well, I guess I should be wearing a mask also.  I've had a lingering cough for a long time.  I check my temperature daily.  I haven't shown a fever.  I attribute the cough to the damage that's been done to my throat and brain.  My brain doesn't always close the throat valve when I drink.  I hope Melania's brain works better.  

[Rams]

I hope Melania's brain works better.  

Can't suggest anything about Mrs Trump but, this I know, she's prettier than Willow.

Yeah, it is, what it is.  And it is, what it should be.   

Rams  

[f6gal]

I watched.  At the end of the debate one of the left leaning commentators complained that Melania Trump came upon the stage without a mask.  Talk about stupid!  She has had and recovered from COVID-19.  She can neither catch nor transmit the virus.  Is there no limit to the stupidity that seems to be at large?

Melania was wearing a mask.

Yes, I saw that.  He claimed she wasn't when she first came up.  I was addressing his stupid complaint.

Did you check his pants?  They were probably on fire.  

BTW, Melania should probably still wear a mask, she has a "lingering cough."

LOL!  

If she's been tested and confirmed clear then whatever cough she has is likely due to yet unhealed damage rather than continuing viral infection.  Anyway, if the cough is the only issue doesn't covering one's mouth do the same as a mask?

Well, I guess I should be wearing a mask also.  I've had a lingering cough for a long time.  I check my temperature daily.  I haven't shown a fever.  I attribute the cough to the damage that's been done to my throat and brain.  My brain doesn't always close the throat valve when I drink.  I hope Melania's brain works better.  

Once recovered, one can continue to shed detectable SARS-CoV-2 RNA in upper respiratory secretions.  Even though the concentration is considerably lower than during active illness, I would not want that person coughing on me.  I know someone who caught the disease just that way.  As I've said before, I'm not all on-board with mask efficacy, but in certain situations, I would err on the side of caution.

[Patrick]

Quote:

Battery pack out.

Battery pack in.

Drive on.

If they are standardised.

Battery Specs from website below (I have not fact checked it but it is what I had mentally figured).

The weight of a car/vehicle battery is in the range of 650 pounds.

So, battery out, will require a device, lift, or four or five people and a sling.

Same for battery in.

Now, where do you store a 650 pound battery in an electric powered car?  The trunk?

No, the concept of a battery powered vehicle that one can use as one uses a car today is not possible.  Not with todays technology. 

http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/wiki/battery-specs/

You mentioned/posted  this before I got to it.
Most folks have never looked in an electric vehicle.
Electric motors are great power plants for a vehicle, just impracticable at this time for the reasons stated.
Batteries are not yet recyclable and they're piling up.

[..]

Quote:

Battery pack out.

Battery pack in.

Drive on.

If they are standardised.

Battery Specs from website below (I have not fact checked it but it is what I had mentally figured).

The weight of a car/vehicle battery is in the range of 650 pounds.

So, battery out, will require a device, lift, or four or five people and a sling.

Same for battery in.

Now, where do you store a 650 pound battery in an electric powered car?  The trunk?

No, the concept of a battery powered vehicle that one can use as one uses a car today is not possible.  Not with todays technology. 

http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/wiki/battery-specs/

You mentioned/posted  this before I got to it.
Most folks have never looked in an electric vehicle.
Electric motors are great power plants for a vehicle, just impracticable at this time for the reasons stated.
Batteries are not yet recyclable and they're piling up.

https://www.teslarati.com/nio-battery-swapping-station-power-swap/

Bot of smoke and mirrors in this video. Don't show the battery being swapped close up.
https://www.tesla.com/videos/battery-swap-event

I'm happy with my 40mpg highway Mazda 3.

[carolinarider09]

Just in case you were wondering....

The "right" way to shift away from fossil fuels in our vehicles   However, its got one problem for some folks.  The word "nuclear" is included. 

https://www.nei.org/advantages/electric-vehicles

Oh and safe.  Did you know that working at a nuclear power plant is safer than logging, or real estate? 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2019/12/13/the-safest-and-the-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america--nuclear-and-logging/?fbclid=IwAR0MCOuFCv-yKRaGCiUEPz4og9_w8DdePhXKV5OjYQyWQzyqVlk8Pq92GoA#7795e6c3455b

[Oss]

nobody mentions the heating of the water that cools the reactors

water is measurably warmer near indian point

keeping something safe from  maniacs for 20000 yrs has a cost too

Oss

When I was a kid I had all 33 nuclear pamphlets from AEC   Probably on a watch list

Fascinating stuff being able to make energy like we did

[carolinarider09]

Just for the record, water cooled power plants (and there is no other real option for a "power plant"), whether they be fueled by nuclear, oil, natural gas, coal all have the same issue.

That issue is the of cooling the steam back to water so it can be reheated into steam to turn the turbine and the process repeats.  Its known, I believe, as the Rankine Cycle. 

Some plants use cooling towers where the air is heated as the water is cooled that is used to condense the steam back to water.  Some plants use closed cycle water cooling systems (i.e. cooling pond).  Some plants use open cycle cooling where an external source is used for cooling such as a river, lake lake or ocean.

Funny thing, in almost all instances where a power plant is cooled by an external water source, large lake, sea, and the water is returned to that body...   You know what you find there, fisherman. 

Anyway,,  From what I just read, those in New York are in really in good shape.  It appears that New York will have to have one half (50%) of its electric energy provided by "renewable" energy sources by 2030.  Thats 10 years away.  So, what happens on cloudy days when solar won't work?  Just look West and see what is going on in California.  Mandated, planned energy blackouts because demand cannot be met. 

[old2soon]

         Yup-those rolling black outs will be fun up round the windy city nyc pittsburg the twin cities in mn anywhere in n or s dakota from sep til bout march. And as an aside they Never git below freezin in fl. Yup gonna work out just peachy keen-don't believe me? ask joe.  RIDE SAFE.

[MarkT]

Watched the debate.  I noted that all the questions were not even-handed but were liberal talking points, resulting in attacks on Trump.  I don't recall any moderator questions designed to hold Joe's feet to the fire.  I said, where's the court packing questions?  Where's the Hunter payola questions?  How about the emails?  Nevermind the child hair sniffing or ubiquitous backrubs.  None of that or more.  Can't say I was surprised being as how it was an NBC moderated debate. It was not a debate moderated by journalists but by lefty cheerleaders.  I was watching Fox news and I was surprised in the post-debate analysis that only 2 commenters mentioned the slant and then it was more in passing.  I would have focussed on it.