Party Platform on Climate Change

[carolinarider09]

So, I was sitting here this morning and contemplating my navel and said to myself, you know what, I don't know what the Democrat Party Platform says about Climate Change and Fossil Fuel. 

So I didi a search and found the website with the Democrat Party Platform (see link below).  So then I looked at the topics and found this topic. 

COMBATING THE CLIMATE CRISIS AND PURSUING ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/combating-the-climate-crisis-and-pursuing-environmental-justice/

Within this document are the following statements.

We agree with scientists and public health experts that the United States—and the world—must achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions as soon as possible, and no later than 2050.

To reach net-zero emissions as rapidly as possible, Democrats commit to eliminating carbon pollution from power plants by 2035 through technology-neutral standards for clean energy and energy efficiency. We will dramatically expand solar and wind energy deployment through community-based and utility-scale systems, including in rural areas. Within five years, we will install 500 million solar panels, including eight million solar roofs and community solar energy systems, and 60,000 wind turbines, and turn American ingenuity into American jobs by leveraging federal policy to manufacture renewable energy solutions in America

So, just in case you cannot read between the lines, if the Democrat Party gets its way by 2035 (thats 15 years from now) there will no longer by any power plants that use natural gas, coal, or oil (or any fossil fuel).  Just in case you are wondering what the current generation is for fossil fuels its 2,580 Billion kWh (or 62.7% of total energy produced in the US, see link below). 

So, what will they use to replace this 2,580 Billion kWh's of electricity.  Solar (can't not reliable).  Wind (can't not reliable).  Hydro (can't to much land would be covered by water).  Nuclear???

Nuclear, time to build power plant (in today's regulatory environment) 12 to 15 years.  Current production from Nuclear in US, 809 Billion kWh's.  To replace the 2,580 Billion kWh's of electricity would mean that the number of nuclear plants in the US would have to be tripled (2,580/800).  All being built in the next 15 years. 


https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

THE 2020 DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM
https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/

[Moonshot_1]

I don't know what is wrong with that platform. We can get those kind of power sources on line pretty easy I'm sure. That is what CNN says anyway. I mean like I got a windmill and solar and we never run out of ener

[98valk]

that is UN 2030 agenda.  which is clearly the democrat party agenda. clearly the democrat party are UN globalist operatives and american in name only.

if u want to read when and how it all started read the book "The Greening"
the complete book can be read here.  https://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/greening.shtml#1

A Substitute For War

Then in Section 6, "Substitutes for the Functions of War," Doe, writing for the Special Study Group, goes on to outline the economic necessities which must be applied:

    "Economic surrogates for war must meet two principal criteria. They must be 'wasteful,' in the common sense of the word, and they must operate outside the normal supply-demand system. A corollary that should be obvious is that the magnitude of the waste must be sufficient to meet the needs of a particular society. An economy as advanced and complex as our own requires the planned average destruction of not less than 10% of gross national product..."

Please read this incredible revelation a second, and maybe even a third, time. For this admission will help you understand Lewin's following comment and 40-plus years of history." ...[It explains, or certainly appears to explain, aspects of American policy otherwise incomprehensible by the ordinary standards of common sense."]

After exploring a whole range of "substitute" possibilities, such as a war on poverty, space research, even "the credibility of an out-of- our-world invasion threat," the Special Study Group reports and Doe recites." It may be, for instance, that gross pollution of the environment can eventually replace the possibility of mass destruction by nuclear weapons as the principal apparent threat to the survival of the species. Poisoning of the air, and of the principal sources of food and water supply, is already well advanced, and at first glance would seem promising in this respect; it constitutes a threat that can be dealt with only through social organization and political power. But from present indications it will be a generation to a generation- and-a-half before environmental pollution, however severe, will be sufficiently menacing, on a global scale, to offer a possible basis for a solution."

I hope you didn't skim over the preceding paragraph. It explains, with almost unbelievable boldness, that environmental concerns were an almost perfect replacement for war, but it would take a generation or a generation-and-a-half (that is, 20 to 30 years) to bring this about. Remember, we are talking about a report circa 1967.

The time frame is now complete, as evidenced by an article in the March 20, 1990, Seattle Post-Intelligencer. The front-page headline says, "Pollution a 'ticking time bomb,' conference warned." Datelined Vancouver, B.C., the lead paragraph read, "Environmental destruction is a 'ticking time bomb' that poses a 'more absolute' threat to human survival than nuclear annihilation during the Cold War, former Norwegian Prime Minister Gro Harlem Brundtland told an international environment conference here."

The article goes on, "The conference, Globe '90, was launched yesterday amid warnings that pollution and overpopulation are threats that require resources previously committed to the arms race."

I'll have more to say about Globe '90 and other such conferences later. Now let's continue with Report From Iron Mountain and its revelations.

In the section, "Substitutes for the Functions of War," they conclude:

    "However unlikely some of the possible alternate enemies we have mentioned may seem, we must emphasize that one must be found, of credible quality and magnitude, if a transition to peace is ever to come about without social disintegration."

[Jess from VA]

Bill, you are a great example for me.   

I've been retired for 10 years and never found the time to research democratic party platforms.

Maybe in 30 years or so, I'll find the time.   Or maybe not. 

I actually think contemplating my navel is more interesting, and useful. 

[..]

I don't know what is wrong with that platform. We can get those kind of power sources on line pretty easy I'm sure. That is what CNN says anyway. I mean like I got a windmill and solar and we never run out of ener

 

[carolinarider09]

Jess,

It only took a few minutes to find it.  The hard part was getting the other data.  I pretty much knew what the facts were but just because I said so, does not make it fact. 

What really brought it up was me thinking about this being a motorcycle forum.  With engines powered by fossil fuels and this on this forum who support the party that believe that fossil fuels must be eliminated. 

Which means, there goes the internal combustion engine and the sound and all the fun. 

But I know, your new electric motorcycle will be fine.  Just have to take  a couple of hours to re-charge its battery.  And of course the new "sound effects" generator 

[old2soon]

         I can generally make it to my Brothers place near Crystal Lake Il. 10-12 hours bout 540 miles with the cage or Phatt Ghurl. So WHAT now I gotta take an extra day and a motel and maybe 2 more resturant meals cuz they ain't thinkin this chit thru? Isn't kalifornia already having rolling black outs? Is kali the model they want for the rest of the U S of A? And right now here in the ShoMe It's just at or slightly below 40 Degrees F and wet and windy and Really winter ain't even here yet. Don't KNOW bout anyone else but I seriously doubt if I can stand a 40 45% cut in natural gas or electricity. AND the last two or three days the sun has Not peeked out once. more I read bout politicians the more I like my Phatt Ghurl. And AGAIN I Ask-what in the hell am I leaving my Children Grand Children and how ever many generations after me? Best laid plans of mice and men! RIDE SAFE.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Jess,

It only took a few minutes to find it.  The hard part was getting the other data.  I pretty much knew what the facts were but just because I said so, does not make it fact. 

What really brought it up was me thinking about this being a motorcycle forum.  With engines powered by fossil fuels and this on this forum who support the party that believe that fossil fuels must be eliminated. 

Which means, there goes the internal combustion engine and the sound and all the fun. 

But I know, your new electric motorcycle will be fine.  Just have to take  a couple of hours to re-charge its battery.  And of course the new "sound effects" generator 

Maybe the rest of the paragraph will explain it to you better.

"Recognizing the urgent need to decarbonize the power sector, our technology-neutral approach is inclusive of all zero-carbon technologies, including hydroelectric power, geothermal, existing and advanced nuclear, and carbon capture and storage."

[..]

Jess,

It only took a few minutes to find it.  The hard part was getting the other data.  I pretty much knew what the facts were but just because I said so, does not make it fact. 

What really brought it up was me thinking about this being a motorcycle forum.  With engines powered by fossil fuels and this on this forum who support the party that believe that fossil fuels must be eliminated. 

Which means, there goes the internal combustion engine and the sound and all the fun. 

But I know, your new electric motorcycle will be fine.  Just have to take  a couple of hours to re-charge its battery.  And of course the new "sound effects" generator 

Maybe the rest of the paragraph will explain it to you better.

"Recognizing the urgent need to decarbonize the power sector, our technology-neutral approach is inclusive of all zero-carbon technologies, including hydroelectric power, geothermal, existing and advanced nuclear, and carbon capture and storage."

The RV you're working on fits right in.   

[Gavin_Sons]

There goes baldos job  
How will planes fly without fossil fuels?
Can you pack enough batteries in a jet to fly across the country? Let alone across the world.
Has there been an attempt to try to build a battery powered airliner?
How many seats do they lose to those batteries?

[Gavin_Sons]

While significant advances in battery technology have been made in the last 10 years, batteries are still so heavy that electric planes can't be expected to fully replace fossil fuel aircraft in the foreseeable future

Source:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1221401

[98valk]

https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/the-physical-impossibility-of-renewable-energy-meeting-the-paris-accord-goals/

building one wind turbine requires 900 tons of steel, 2,500 tons of concrete, and 45 tons of non-recyclable plastic and solar power requires even more cement, steel, glass, and other metals—notably rare earth minerals. Global demand for rare-earth minerals would need to increase by between 300 percent and 1,000 percent by 2050 to meet the Paris renewable goals. These minerals are generally mined in nations with oppressive labor practices.

Furthermore, mining and manufacturing require the consumption of fossil fuels. To supply half the world’s electricity using wind turbines would require nearly two billion tons of coal to produce the concrete and steel and two billion barrels of oil to make the blades. And, most (over 90 percent) of the world’s solar panels are built in Asia with electric power heavily fueled by coal.

Renewable energy (wind and solar power) do not have the combination of low-cost, high-energy-density, stability, safety, and portability of fossil fuels. For example, if one spends $1 million on utility-scale wind turbines or solar panels, over 30 years of operation, each of them would produce about 50 million kilowatt-hours, while an equivalent $1 million spent on a shale rig produces enough natural gas over 30 years to generate more than 300 million kilowatt-hours—over six times as much energy.

Because the wind does not always blow and the sun does not always shine, batteries would be needed to provide back-up power for wind turbines and solar panels. But, the sheer magnitude of what would be required is mind-boggling. For example, the $5 billion Tesla “Gigafactory” in Nevada is currently the world’s biggest battery manufacturing facility and its total annual production would store just three minutes’ worth of annual U.S. electricity demand. Therefore, to manufacture enough batteries to store two days’ worth of U.S. electricity demand would require almost 1,000 years of “Gigafactory” production.

About 60 pounds of batteries are needed to store the energy equivalent in one pound of fossil fuels. For every one pound of batteries produced, 50 to 100 pounds of lithium, copper, nickel, graphite, rare earths, and cobalt are mined and processed. Thus, a future of batteries for electric vehicles and back-up energy for the grid would require mining gigatons more materials as well as gigatons of materials needed to manufacture wind turbines and solar panels.
   
[I thought liberal environmentalist don't want mining and destruction of the landscape]

Lithium battery production today accounts for about 40 percent of lithium mining and 25 percent of cobalt mining. In an all-battery future, global mining would have to expand by more than 200 percent for copper, by a minimum of 500 percent for lithium, graphite, and rare earths, and far more for cobalt.

Comparing Batteries to Gasoline and Oil

A single electric-car battery weighs about 1,000 pounds and manufacturing it requires mining and processing over 500,000 pounds of raw materials. Using gasoline, one can extract one-tenth as much total tonnage to deliver the same number of vehicle-miles over the battery’s seven-year life.

About $200,000 worth of Tesla batteries, weighing over 20,000 pounds, are needed to store the energy equivalent of one barrel of oil. A barrel of oil weighs 300 pounds and can be stored in a $20 tank. Even an unlikely 200 percent improvement in lithium battery economics and technology would not close the gap.

Conclusion

The Green New Deal and a “new energy economy” are not physically possible despite what America’s politicians believe and what is promoted in the media. The sooner they come to grips with reality, the better for U.S. citizens, many of whom naively believe their patter.

[Jess from VA]

Jess,

It only took a few minutes to find it.  The hard part was getting the other data.  I pretty much knew what the facts were but just because I said so, does not make it fact.  

What really brought it up was me thinking about this being a motorcycle forum.  With engines powered by fossil fuels and this on this forum who support the party that believe that fossil fuels must be eliminated.  

Which means, there goes the internal combustion engine and the sound and all the fun.  

But I know, your new electric motorcycle will be fine.  Just have to take  a couple of hours to re-charge its battery.  And of course the new "sound effects" generator  

Bill, I honestly appreciate your efforts to regularly make well thought out and researched (backed with facts and links) posts.  Most of my legal career was spent writing, not courtrooms, and I had to do the same thing (for years and years).  So I don't have to do it anymore.  

I just couldn't pass up the opportunity to poke fun at democrat platform research work.

But keep up the good work.  I mean it.  

So where are we with the the bridge over the creek project?  (but don't tell the democrats about it, they'll want a $50K environmental impact study)

[Serk]

If her platform to take away out Valkyries isn't enough, here's her insane citizen control platform, spelled out in her own words for all to see:

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/#

[Jess from VA]

Not one single part of that "program" is not an outright infringement in violation of the Constitution (2dA).

So the first big lie each D makes upon election to Congress, is the oath of office.  I guess after that the lies all get easier.  It hard to find lying in the party platform (but it must be in there somewhere, since it's essential to their every word and deed).

[98valk]

If her platform to take away out Valkyries isn't enough, here's her insane citizen control platform, spelled out in her own words for all to see:

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/#

UN 2030 Agenda, sound familiar??

Goal 11) Make cities and human settlements inclusive, safe, resilient and sustainable

Translation: Ban all gun ownership by private citizens, concentrating guns into the hands of obedient government enforcers who rule over an unarmed, enslaved class of impoverished workers. Criminalize living in most rural areas by instituting Hunger Games-style "protected areas" which the government will claim are owned by "the People" even though no people are allowed to live there. Force all humans into densely packed, tightly controlled cities where they are under 24/7 surveillance and subject to easy manipulation by government.

[G-Man]

There goes baldos job  
How will planes fly without fossil fuels?
Can you pack enough batteries in a jet to fly across the country? Let alone across the world.
Has there been an attempt to try to build a battery powered airliner?
How many seats do they lose to those batteries?

Was talking to my Dad who I am visiting right now in Florida about fully electric cars.  I drive from NY to FL when I visit because I take the dog with me.  The trip takes me 19 hours and I stop about 2 or 3 times for fuel, food, and to walk us both.  If I had to use an electric car, The trip would take me 4 to 6 hours longer because it takes two hours at least to fully charge and electric car's batteries. 

If they can't figure out hour to make battery charging as fast as refueling with gas or deisel, everything that is trucked or delivered is gonna see big increases in price to make up for the hours lost.

[h13man]

Its seems windmills are the main attraction in this spot of the world. West of the homestead, Meadow Lake wind farm. Now I get more in my backyard as I speak right now they're dosing the ground for the counter balance weight/foundation. My water table is about 7 ft. below ground surface and my well is 35 ft. deep. Still trying to figure that one out as my home has been here since 1928 w/o foundation issues. This area at the turn of the century was all swamp land and some of the most fertile in Indiana. Killing local species of birds, non recyclable propeller blades, ugly as hell on the landscape, loss of 1.5 acres per windmill + roadway to service them, noisy, well you get I'm not satisfied with this as the Big Farmer gets more money from the Gubmint. This has been going on since the spring 2009 in my area so this was in plan long before Bama' took office though I'm sure he took credit for it. Nough said as the dogs bark at the backup beeper on the doser 1/2 mi. away. I'm so happy they know when the Amazon truck arrives as of now but hopefully they don't get used to the sound to the point of not barking as they're a part of my "security" system.

https://meadowlakewindfarm.com/


Each wind turbine has a life cycle of approximately 20 years and can begin paying for themselves within an average period of 15 years, although this time frame can be shorter or longer depending on the circumstances.

[Patrick]

It just ain't workin out as planned and may never during our lifetimes.

Scotty needs to travel back in time and give us some di-lithium crystals.

[F6Dave]

Jess,

It only took a few minutes to find it.  The hard part was getting the other data.  I pretty much knew what the facts were but just because I said so, does not make it fact. 

What really brought it up was me thinking about this being a motorcycle forum.  With engines powered by fossil fuels and this on this forum who support the party that believe that fossil fuels must be eliminated. 

Which means, there goes the internal combustion engine and the sound and all the fun. 

But I know, your new electric motorcycle will be fine.  Just have to take  a couple of hours to re-charge its battery.  And of course the new "sound effects" generator 

In another thread I asked how our Biden supporters plan to re-purpose their Valkyries in 14 years.  As usual, there was no response.  Maybe their hatred for Trump is so great that they'd rather give up riding than vote for him.  Of maybe they don't understand where that liquid they buy in front of the convenience store comes from.

[..]

Jess,

It only took a few minutes to find it.  The hard part was getting the other data.  I pretty much knew what the facts were but just because I said so, does not make it fact. 

What really brought it up was me thinking about this being a motorcycle forum.  With engines powered by fossil fuels and this on this forum who support the party that believe that fossil fuels must be eliminated. 

Which means, there goes the internal combustion engine and the sound and all the fun. 

But I know, your new electric motorcycle will be fine.  Just have to take  a couple of hours to re-charge its battery.  And of course the new "sound effects" generator 

In another thread I asked how our Biden supporters plan to re-purpose their Valkyries in 14 years.  As usual, there was no response.  Maybe their hatred for Trump is so great that they'd rather give up riding than vote for him.  Of maybe they don't understand where that liquid they buy in front of the convenience store comes from.

 "global/change/warming/climate" doesn't matter to them when riding the 6 carb beast.   

[F6Dave]

All Joe needs to do is replace the bottom 4 sources with the the top two in 14 years.  That should be easy!

[scooperhsd]

It just ain't workin out as planned and may never during our lifetimes.

Scotty needs to travel back in time and give us some di-lithium crystals.

And the technology to harness them 

[0leman]

In addition to 98Valk's post above, at the present time the Wind turbans are starting  fail around 15 years.   Bearings have to be replaced before this.  Total replacements at 20 years.   Towers/concrete pads appear to not be able to be used again.  What is to be done with the towers and Blades?  Right now the blades are not recyclable.  Lots of fossil fuel in the blades.

The solar panels have the same issues, effective life is less than 20 years.   Not recyclable.  What is to be done with them?

If we can create batteries to hold enough charge for when sun doesn't shine and wind doesn't blow, what will we do with these batteries when they fail?   Their life times are not going to be forever.

Now the big problem, where and on whose lands are these windmills/solar panels to be erected?   Yeah there is lots of open spaces in the western part of the US.  Are we to sacrifice these open area and their environment to save the planet?  Also there would need to be lots of transmission lines built, more metals to be dug up and turned into towers and lines.

[F6Dave]

In addition to 98Valk's post above, at the present time the Wind turbans are starting  fail around 15 years.   Bearings have to be replaced before this.  Total replacements at 20 years.   Towers/concrete pads appear to not be able to be used again.  What is to be done with the towers and Blades?  Right now the blades are not recyclable.  Lots of fossil fuel in the blades.

The solar panels have the same issues, effective life is less than 20 years.   Not recyclable.  What is to be done with them?

If we can create batteries to hold enough charge for when sun doesn't shine and wind doesn't blow, what will we do with these batteries when they fail?   Their life times are not going to be forever.

Now the big problem, where and on whose lands are these windmills/solar panels to be erected?   Yeah there is lots of open spaces in the western part of the US.  Are we to sacrifice these open area and their environment to save the planet?  Also there would need to be lots of transmission lines built, more metals to be dug up and turned into towers and lines.

I've read that in Europe they burn the used blades.  But not here, and many landfills are now refusing them.  The steel towers could be recycled, but not the concrete bases.  Those bases are massive.  Because of the intense wind load on those very tall towers, each base uses hundreds of tons of concrete and steel.  And the concrete industry is a very big water user, which is a scarce commodity in the west where these things are being built.

Two weeks ago I was in a remote part of Wyoming where hundreds of the ugly turbines were being installed and spoiling the landscape.  Crews were running dozens of transmission lines, and I saw a few 18 wheelers stacked with huge spools of cable.  Anyone who thinks this energy is 'green' hasn't seen the ugly truth.