Sticker Shock

[G-Man]

Built & Priced a 2-Door Jeep Wrangler Rubicon with all of the packages and accessories that I would like in the vehicle........

$50,266

[Chrisj CMA]

That’s why you find one a year or two old. Let someone else  pay all that depreciation

[cookiedough]

maybe so maybe not.  We were looking a few years ago for a 2-3 year old vehicle under 30K miles and all we found they wanted near full purchase price of a new one after all rebates, etc.   Dealers did not dicker much off their asking price on anything we wanted.  Why spend say 2K less is all for a 2 year old vehicle 20K miles or so vs. buying new?   All depends on vehicle and location/area and dealerships looking for.

Same goes for my 2017 toyota tundra I see them asking price at toyota dealer with 40K miles out of factory warranrty for 38K still.  I paid for my 2017 tundra 37K so why spend on used one MORE or darn near same price even after dickering down a little off their asking price?    

this pandemic not helping either since very few of certain car/trucks on lot high shortage of new vehicles causing fewer rebates and increased pricing on new and used both.

does not help either that most new vehicles go up every single year over 2 pushing  3% of msrp.  That is on a 30K msrp car near 1 grand each and every year.  That is more than most get in a raise year after year nowadays the way this economy sucks.  Pretty soon new vehicles will be so overpriced not many will be able to afford to buy any of them. 

[Rams]

Built & Priced a 2-Door Jeep Wrangler Rubicon with all of the packages and accessories that I would like in the vehicle........

$50,266

That’s why you find one a year or two old. Let someone else  pay all that depreciation

No doubt, this purchaser of a new vehicle is going to take the biggest depreciation hit.

Then again, I just bought a new (off the new lot) 2018 Ram listed at $69,995 for $39,000.  Someone special ordered this truck for towing a large RV.    Was very close to what I would have ordered but, it wasn't what buyers want now.  For some reason, today's buyers want all the options, I don't.   I like the KISS vehicles.   Every one thinks they have to have 4WD, I don't.   My trucks never leave the asphalt.   If the weather is so bad I need 4WD, I'm not going.   Worked out well for me.   Just wish the original person had gone with leather seats but, I can live with what it has.  

This truck had been sitting on the new truck lot for almost two years, the original purchaser lost his deposit but the dealer was very willing to move this truck and I was happy to help him do that.   Took me almost three months to get it done.    Every time I drove by, I'd stop and talk to the same sales guy.    Kept telling him I'd buy it if, they'd come down in price.   Obviously, not very many people wanted a two wheel drive one ton with air suspension Ram diesel.   That was precisely what I wanted.
Patience is worth it's weight in gold.  

Edited:   But, that doesn't surprise me with a Jeep, they are very popular and high priced in my opinion.   Have had three different Jeeps, loved them all.   

Rams

[old2soon]

Built & Priced a 2-Door Jeep Wrangler Rubicon with all of the packages and accessories that I would like in the vehicle........

$50,266

That’s why you find one a year or two old. Let someone else  pay all that depreciation

No doubt, this purchaser of a new vehicle is going to take the biggest depreciation hit.

Then again, I just bought a new (off the new lot) 2018 Ram listed at $69,995 for $39,000.  Someone special ordered this truck for towing a large RV.    Was very close to what I would have ordered but, it wasn't what buyers want now.  For some reason, today's buyers want all the options, I don't.   I like the KISS vehicles.   Every one thinks they have to have 4WD, I don't.   My trucks never leave the asphalt.   If the weather is so bad I need 4WD, I'm not going.   Worked out well for me.   Just wish the original person had gone with leather seats but, I can live with what it has.  

This truck had been sitting on the new truck lot for almost two years, the original purchaser lost his deposit but the dealer was very willing to move this truck and I was happy to help him do that.   Took me almost three months to get it done.    Every time I drove by, I'd stop and talk to the same sales guy.    Kept telling him I'd buy it if, they'd come down in price.   Obviously, not very many people wanted a two wheel drive one ton with air suspension Ram diesel.   That was precisely what I wanted.
Patience is worth it's weight in gold.  

Rams

          Might could find a good leather seat in a salvage yard? You saved a bunch already see what the dlr charges fer that upgrade! RIDE SAFE.

[Chrisj CMA]

When I bought my 2011 F-150 in 2012 they wanted just $1,000 less than new. I waited another week and then offered them $2,000 less than Kelly Blue book and they eventually said yes after I started to walk twice. You just got to play their game. I talked them down $6,000

[Rams]

Built & Priced a 2-Door Jeep Wrangler Rubicon with all of the packages and accessories that I would like in the vehicle........

$50,266

That’s why you find one a year or two old. Let someone else  pay all that depreciation

No doubt, this purchaser of a new vehicle is going to take the biggest depreciation hit.

Then again, I just bought a new (off the new lot) 2018 Ram listed at $69,995 for $39,000.  Someone special ordered this truck for towing a large RV.    Was very close to what I would have ordered but, it wasn't what buyers want now.  For some reason, today's buyers want all the options, I don't.   I like the KISS vehicles.   Every one thinks they have to have 4WD, I don't.   My trucks never leave the asphalt.   If the weather is so bad I need 4WD, I'm not going.   Worked out well for me.   Just wish the original person had gone with leather seats but, I can live with what it has.  

This truck had been sitting on the new truck lot for almost two years, the original purchaser lost his deposit but the dealer was very willing to move this truck and I was happy to help him do that.   Took me almost three months to get it done.    Every time I drove by, I'd stop and talk to the same sales guy.    Kept telling him I'd buy it if, they'd come down in price.   Obviously, not very many people wanted a two wheel drive one ton with air suspension Ram diesel.   That was precisely what I wanted.
Patience is worth it's weight in gold.  

Rams

          Might could find a good leather seat in a salvage yard? You saved a bunch already see what the dlr charges fer that upgrade! RIDE SAFE.

Have looked and will keep looking.  Just not in a position to spend and extra $1,500 right now, too many holidays coming way too soon.

When I bought my 2011 F-150 in 2012 they wanted just $1,000 less than new. I waited another week and then offered them $2,000 less than Kelly Blue book and they eventually said yes after I started to walk twice. You just got to play their game. I talked them down $6,000

Yep, like I said, it took me three months to get that 2018 Ram bought and as I told the salesman, it might be gone the next time I come by but, I'm willing to take that chance.   Everyone wants all those bells and whistles and 4WD seems to be a must have.   The vast majority of those 4WDs never get off road.   

Rams

[old2soon]

          Under my current circumstances new vehicles are Way outa reach fer me. I used to enjoy lookin at new cars and trucks. Seeing fully decked out new 1 ton trucks anywhere tween 60 and 100 G tends ta take ma breath away. Wunder would the new upcoming gubmint gimme a new one if I asked?   RIDE SAFE.

[Serk]

Only new car I've ever bought was a lot like Rams.... Wanted a 3.5 liter V6 Nissan Altima with a 6 speed manual transmission. It was only available as a custom factory option (I've had dealers tell me my car doesn't exist.)

We found a 2008 Nissan Altima, 6 cylinder with the 6 speed manual, that'd been sitting on the lot nearly 2 years. The original person who ordered it had their financing fall through.

I wanted it. I wanted it BAD. 4 door responsible family car that could still scratch the tires in 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears.

So I stepped aside, let the spousal unit negoatiate.

We bought it for $20,500....

Still seemed an exorbitant amount to pay for a car, but it's been a good car.

[Rams]

Still seemed an exorbitant amount to pay for a car, but it's been a good car.

My guess is, my tires last longer...........   

Rams

[Serk]

Still seemed an exorbitant amount to pay for a car, but it's been a good car.

My guess is, my tires last longer...........  

Rams

Heh, not been TOO bad, I've switched to "If I wanna go fast, I've got bikes for that" mode.... The Altima has been Kali's main car, since I wanted to make sure she could drive a stick (She can!).... And although she likes top end speed (Her first ticket was for 96.... In a Kia!) she doesn't rip it too hard on the takeoffs.....

[AwesomeDad]

Built & Priced a 2-Door Jeep Wrangler Rubicon with all of the packages and accessories that I would like in the vehicle........

$50,266

Check out Kernersville Jeep in NC they discount and deliver within 400 miles...

JJ

[cookiedough]

Still seemed an exorbitant amount to pay for a car, but it's been a good car.

My guess is, my tires last longer...........   

Rams

gotta watch out, those KIA's are FAST.  YIKES,  96 mph in a 55 or 65/70 speed zone.  Was she late for a sky diving event?  Speed limits must be much more in TX vs. WI?  If my kids got caught doing anything over 85 mph the cars in my name go bye bye they walk or pay all the insurance rate increases.

Heh, not been TOO bad, I've switched to "If I wanna go fast, I've got bikes for that" mode.... The Altima has been Kali's main car, since I wanted to make sure she could drive a stick (She can!).... And although she likes top end stick (Her first ticket was for 96.... In a Kia!) she doesn't rip it too hard on the takeoffs.....

[pais]

Jeeps are ridiculously overpriced, new or used. Reliability is questionable at best. They were the only convertible / removable top  SUV for quite sometime. Ford Bronco has changed that but they are pricey(overpriced) as well and hard to find. First year of production purchase is never a good idea. Not sure if you could get one unless you are willing to pay way over sticker. Then again, it's not a Jeep. I have had 2 over my lifetime and loved them.   A '83 CJ8 Scrambler and a '94 YJ. Still would like one but, price is a real issue.
Over the Summer while looking for the wife a new ride. We were in a Chevy dealership at the same time Ford was launching the Bronco. I asked the salesman, who in the hell made the decision to put the Blazer nameplate on basically, an Equinox? GM missed the boat   not making the Blazer a removable top SUV.

[cookiedough]

Built & Priced a 2-Door Jeep Wrangler Rubicon with all of the packages and accessories that I would like in the vehicle........

$50,266

That’s why you find one a year or two old. Let someone else  pay all that depreciation

No doubt, this purchaser of a new vehicle is going to take the biggest depreciation hit.

Then again, I just bought a new (off the new lot) 2018 Ram listed at $69,995 for $39,000.  Someone special ordered this truck for towing a large RV.    Was very close to what I would have ordered but, it wasn't what buyers want now.  For some reason, today's buyers want all the options, I don't.   I like the KISS vehicles.   Every one thinks they have to have 4WD, I don't.   My trucks never leave the asphalt.   If the weather is so bad I need 4WD, I'm not going.   Worked out well for me.   Just wish the original person had gone with leather seats but, I can live with what it has.  

This truck had been sitting on the new truck lot for almost two years, the original purchaser lost his deposit but the dealer was very willing to move this truck and I was happy to help him do that.   Took me almost three months to get it done.    Every time I drove by, I'd stop and talk to the same sales guy.    Kept telling him I'd buy it if, they'd come down in price.   Obviously, not very many people wanted a two wheel drive one ton with air suspension Ram diesel.   That was precisely what I wanted.
Patience is worth it's weight in gold.  

Edited:   But, that doesn't surprise me with a Jeep, they are very popular and high priced in my opinion.   Have had three different Jeeps, loved them all.   

Rams

70K msrp for a dodge ram with no leather seats and NO 4wd?  NO way could be a 1/2 ton then right?  If I did not live in WI where 99% buy 4wd due to snow in winter,  and lived further south,  I too would get a 2wd truck.  I had a chevy s-10 2wd with the powerful 4.3L V6 with upgraded gear ratio's for more SNAP/torque off the line, and loved it, but in winter, it sucked even with 400lbs. weight in the bed.  Slip and sliding around and fishtailing on snow was not much fun (well it was until spinning not going anywhere).   Dodge Ram's have the worst resale value of any 1/2 ton truck in my area so enormous discounts on new and used ones.

all these 1/2 ton trucks claim they can handle say 10000lbs. or more towing, but I'd like to see any of them do much more than 8000lbs. comfortably.  The mfgs. make such a big deal over payload or tow rating but no one in their right mind would pull such a huge load with any 1/2 ton truck and expect it to last.  I thought one year I'd be macho and buy a 3/4 ton truck was on the lot and 6.0L V8 chevy crew cab 6.5' bed, and can tell you first hand that the suspension is much much firmer in a 3/4 ton vs. 1/2 ton truck so much I hated driving it unloaded was way way too firm of a ride for my liking not towing anything.  PLus, gas mileage sucked level road not towing tops was 14 mpg but if towed anything dropped to 12 mpg, NO thanks.  I averaged 13.5 avg mpg over the 7 or so months I had it.

[baldo]

Just wish the original person had gone with leather seats but, I can live with what it has.  

Whenever you're ready to let loose with some coin, try this outfit. Not sure which model you have, but they probably have that interior available.

They're good quality and install well.

https://katzkin.com/choose-your-design/

[Rams]

Cookie,
It’s a 3500 dually set up for towing with (leveling) air suspension, a Cummins diesel, the heavy duty Aisian transmission with the factory tow package.  A few other work related options.

I don’t have a clue about half ton Rams or their resale value.   I pull trailers that will transport a couple of those half ton pickups plus some.  What I can say is that Cummins engine is one of the most reliable, least maintenance required, most fuel efficient and popular engines out there.

Edited: Reference 2WD, I lived 30 miles south of Lake Erie for about 5 years (in the snow belt), drove a 2WD ford to work daily.  Unless you live out in the boonies where they don't plow, I didn't and don't see the need for 4WD.   Don't get me wrong, there are always circumstances but, as a general rule, I just can't justify 4WD.   Now that I'm retired, if I need 4WD to get somewhere, it better be damn important and can't wait.   The automotive industry has done an excellent job of marketing 4WD as a necessity and a fad.   I just never bought into it.

With Ford’s new aluminum body, if they used a Cummins engine I would have seriously consider a Ford.   But, that is not the case.

Rams

[Jess from VA]

In 2018, I bought a "new" 2017 Ram Promaster 2500 dealer demonstrator (demo) with 600 miles from the dealer guy who put all the miles on it, for $10K+ under the sticker.  Decently (but not wildly) optioned up with useful (but not ridiculous) extras, like adjustable seats, big heated folding mirrors, a big side window, and the best radio/gps/bluetooth/yada package.

I didn't even go to the dealer to buy a truck; I went to have an electrical gremlin in my Dodge Intrepid discovered.  My salesman was an Iraq combat veteran who was so honest and non-pushy, non-BS that I actually liked him.  It was taking a long time to figure out the electrical gremlin in my car, and I started out saying I am not buying a new truck, but I have some time so show me what you have.  I always wanted a big truck, but never wanted to commute in NoVA/DC traffic in one, but after retirement, no more commuting anywhere.  And they even gave me a better than market price for trade in on my mint Intrepid (that still had the gremlin in it when I left with my new truck).

My 1st (ever) new car the 2003 Dodge Intrepid (with go fast package) cost $20K+, and my last (ever) new truck (2017) cost $26K+ (sticker $37K+).  Wrote a personal check, paid MI taxes, and wonder of wonder VA didn't make me pay more sales taxes.  Now at 5500 miles with only an oil change and no other issue.  But no parking garages or low bridges for me.  Sitting 5' above the ground looking out a giant picture window is fun every time I go.  

I call it the USS Yorktown (II). (with more room than my first dorm room; 6'2" inside ceiling, 8'5" ground to roof)


Only a 20 inch floor, front wheel drive, 6 speed trans, and V6 280 horsepower and 258 lb-ft torque Pentastar engine.  Amazingly peppy and good mileage.

With front wheel drive, towing is only 5100lbs.  I don't tow nuthin'; it goes inside, or it doesn't go.

My inside extra passenger seat is a full size Lazyboy recliner that's seen better days.  Good for naps.
    

[Dave Ritsema]

I had a lifted Rubicon that I put a bunch of money in. It looked cool, drove fairly well for a 4 inch lift and 35 inch tires and got horrible gas mileage. (12 mpg) I just never trusted it, the brakes were weak, transmission shifting was sketchy and very underpowered despite changing the gear ratios to 4:56

I have a deposit now on a new Bronco that isn't expected to arrive before June but it should be a big improvement and comes from the factory with a lift and 35 inch tires and the same twin turbo motor that I have in my daily driver F150. I fully anticipate this to be far superior to the Wrangler but they aren't cheap either. Mine spec'd out right at $60K.

[GiG]

I have a deposit now on a new Bronco that isn't expected to arrive before June but it should be a big improvement and comes from the factory with a lift and 35 inch tires and the same twin turbo motor that I have in my daily driver F150. I fully anticipate this to be far superior to the Wrangler but they aren't cheap either. Mine spec'd out right at $60K.

"SHOTGUN!"  

[RP#62]

I liked the off road capabilities of a jeep, but not the price, so I bought a Pinzgauer for a fraction of what a jeep cost.  It was Austrian built for the Swiss Army and it'll climb trees.  I got the radio truck version rather than the troop carrier version.  It's got a 2.5 ton load capacity with a 11,000 pound towing capacity (for towing howitzers).  It won't win any races, but it'll go where a lot of stuff can't.

-RP



Might take a while to figure out the placards though.

[old2soon]

         Jess-when it can carry 26 fixed wing aircraft and 12 rotary wing aircraft turn into the wind launch and recover said aircraft have a crew compliment a bit over 4000 souls mess halls infirmaries sleeping quarters aircraft maint spaces and shops and etc etc!  Did I mention Laundry?  RIDE SAFE.

[Jess from VA]

I liked the off road capabilities of a jeep, but not the price, so I bought a Pinzgauer for a fraction of what a jeep cost.  It was Austrian built for the Swiss Army and it'll climb trees.  I got the radio truck version rather than the troop carrier version.  It's got a 2.5 ton load capacity with a 11,000 pound towing capacity (for towing howitzers).  It won't win any races, but it'll go where a lot of stuff can't.

-RP

OK RP, that thing is just cool as hell.   

YOU are the winner of this thread!     

So did you have to go through importing it, and is it street legal?  AC? 

[G-Man]

I had a lifted Rubicon that I put a bunch of money in. It looked cool, drove fairly well for a 4 inch lift and 35 inch tires and got horrible gas mileage. (12 mpg) I just never trusted it, the brakes were weak, transmission shifting was sketchy and very underpowered despite changing the gear ratios to 4:56

I have a deposit now on a new Bronco that isn't expected to arrive before June but it should be a big improvement and comes from the factory with a lift and 35 inch tires and the same twin turbo motor that I have in my daily driver F150. I fully anticipate this to be far superior to the Wrangler but they aren't cheap either. Mine spec'd out right at $60K.

One thing I like about the Bronco is that the side view mirrors are attached to the A pillars.  So when you remove the doors, the mirrors are still there.  With the Wrangler, when you remove the doors the mirrors go with them.

I built and priced a Bronco with the stuff I'd like in it and it came out to $46+K.  A little cheaper than the Wrangler for the same features.

[RP#62]

I liked the off road capabilities of a jeep, but not the price, so I bought a Pinzgauer for a fraction of what a jeep cost.  It was Austrian built for the Swiss Army and it'll climb trees.  I got the radio truck version rather than the troop carrier version.  It's got a 2.5 ton load capacity with a 11,000 pound towing capacity (for towing howitzers).  It won't win any races, but it'll go where a lot of stuff can't.

-RP

OK RP, that thing is just cool as hell.   

YOU are the winner of this thread!     

So did you have to go through importing it, and is it street legal?  AC? 

I found it in Tucson.  It had an AZ title and I was able to get a tag.  Its a 1977 model, but parts are still available.  I've been slowly going over it replacing all the non metallic bits.  I was debating between this one or the 6WD version, but I figured I'd start with the 4WD version.  It's got brackets for securing your rifles, which is always handy.  It supposed to be a beast off road - independent suspension, 4WD with front and rear lockers all shiftable on the fly, and a 5 speed syncromesh manual transmission.  It'll be a cool weather truck here though, as there's no ac.

-RP

[The emperor has no clothes]

I liked the off road capabilities of a jeep, but not the price, so I bought a Pinzgauer for a fraction of what a jeep cost.  It was Austrian built for the Swiss Army and it'll climb trees.  I got the radio truck version rather than the troop carrier version.  It's got a 2.5 ton load capacity with a 11,000 pound towing capacity (for towing howitzers).  It won't win any races, but it'll go where a lot of stuff can't.

-RP

OK RP, that thing is just cool as hell.   

YOU are the winner of this thread!     

So did you have to go through importing it, and is it street legal?  AC? 

I found it in Tucson.  It had an AZ title and I was able to get a tag.  Its a 1977 model, but parts are still available.  I've been slowly going over it replacing all the non metallic bits.  I was debating between this one or the 6WD version, but I figured I'd start with the 4WD version.  It's got brackets for securing your rifles, which is always handy.  It supposed to be a beast off road - independent suspension, 4WD with front and rear lockers all shiftable on the fly, and a 5 speed syncromesh manual transmission.  It'll be a cool weather truck here though, as there's no ac.

-RP

When you first posted about it a while back, I thought about how badass the 6by would be for hunting in Alaska. Do you know how much water they can take ?

[cookiedough]

Cookie,
It’s a 3500 dually set up for towing with (leveling) air suspension, a Cummins diesel, the heavy duty Aisian transmission with the factory tow package.  A few other work related options.

I don’t have a clue about half ton Rams or their resale value.   I pull trailers that will transport a couple of those half tons.  What I can say is that Cummins engine is one of the most reliable, less maintenance required, fuel efficient and popular engines out there.
With Ford’s new aluminum body, if they used a Cummins engine I would have seriously consider a Ford.   But, that is not the case.

Rams

aahhh, 3500 vs. 1500 now can see the big MSRP,  good deal for sure you got then.   

[Dave Ritsema]

I had a lifted Rubicon that I put a bunch of money in. It looked cool, drove fairly well for a 4 inch lift and 35 inch tires and got horrible gas mileage. (12 mpg) I just never trusted it, the brakes were weak, transmission shifting was sketchy and very underpowered despite changing the gear ratios to 4:56

I have a deposit now on a new Bronco that isn't expected to arrive before June but it should be a big improvement and comes from the factory with a lift and 35 inch tires and the same twin turbo motor that I have in my daily driver F150. I fully anticipate this to be far superior to the Wrangler but they aren't cheap either. Mine spec'd out right at $60K.

One thing I like about the Bronco is that the side view mirrors are attached to the A pillars.  So when you remove the doors, the mirrors are still there.  With the Wrangler, when you remove the doors the mirrors go with them.

I built and priced a Bronco with the stuff I'd like in it and it came out to $46+K.  A little cheaper than the Wrangler for the same features.

Feature for feature, the Bronco does better than the Jeep in every category. One may argue that you get more articulation in the rocks with a straight axle but the benefit of not having the possibility of "Death Wobble" that is inheritant to all straight axles is much more important to me.I am delighted the Bronco has Independent Front Suspension.

Ford had Jeep squarely in their gun sites when they re-designed the Bronco and I think they hit it out of the park.

[RP#62]

I liked the off road capabilities of a jeep, but not the price, so I bought a Pinzgauer for a fraction of what a jeep cost.  It was Austrian built for the Swiss Army and it'll climb trees.  I got the radio truck version rather than the troop carrier version.  It's got a 2.5 ton load capacity with a 11,000 pound towing capacity (for towing howitzers).  It won't win any races, but it'll go where a lot of stuff can't.

-RP

It'll ford 27" of water.  Its got portal hubs, meaning that the axles don't go to the center of the wheels, they come in from the top and are geared down to the wheel center line.  That puts the differentials up high giving it a lot of ground clearance.

-RP
OK RP, that thing is just cool as hell.   

YOU are the winner of this thread!     

So did you have to go through importing it, and is it street legal?  AC? 

I found it in Tucson.  It had an AZ title and I was able to get a tag.  Its a 1977 model, but parts are still available.  I've been slowly going over it replacing all the non metallic bits.  I was debating between this one or the 6WD version, but I figured I'd start with the 4WD version.  It's got brackets for securing your rifles, which is always handy.  It supposed to be a beast off road - independent suspension, 4WD with front and rear lockers all shiftable on the fly, and a 5 speed syncromesh manual transmission.  It'll be a cool weather truck here though, as there's no ac.

-RP

When you first posted about it a while back, I thought about how badass the 6by would be for hunting in Alaska. Do you know how much water they can take ?

[Rams]

I liked the off road capabilities of a jeep, but not the price, so I bought a Pinzgauer for a fraction of what a jeep cost.  It was Austrian built for the Swiss Army and it'll climb trees.  I got the radio truck version rather than the troop carrier version.  It's got a 2.5 ton load capacity with a 11,000 pound towing capacity (for towing howitzers).  It won't win any races, but it'll go where a lot of stuff can't.

-RP

It'll ford 27" of water.  Its got portal hubs, meaning that the axles don't go to the center of the wheels, they come in from the top and are geared down to the wheel center line.  That puts the differentials up high giving it a lot of ground clearance.

-RP
OK RP, that thing is just cool as hell.   

YOU are the winner of this thread!     

So did you have to go through importing it, and is it street legal?  AC? 

I found it in Tucson.  It had an AZ title and I was able to get a tag.  Its a 1977 model, but parts are still available.  I've been slowly going over it replacing all the non metallic bits.  I was debating between this one or the 6WD version, but I figured I'd start with the 4WD version.  It's got brackets for securing your rifles, which is always handy.  It supposed to be a beast off road - independent suspension, 4WD with front and rear lockers all shiftable on the fly, and a 5 speed syncromesh manual transmission.  It'll be a cool weather truck here though, as there's no ac.

-RP

When you first posted about it a while back, I thought about how badass the 6by would be for hunting in Alaska. Do you know how much water they can take ?

I assume Meathead is asking how deep water can be and the vehicle safely cross or maneuver? 

Rams

[scooperhsd]

I liked the off road capabilities of a jeep, but not the price, so I bought a Pinzgauer for a fraction of what a jeep cost.  It was Austrian built for the Swiss Army and it'll climb trees.  I got the radio truck version rather than the troop carrier version.  It's got a 2.5 ton load capacity with a 11,000 pound towing capacity (for towing howitzers).  It won't win any races, but it'll go where a lot of stuff can't.

-RP

It'll ford 27" of water.  Its got portal hubs, meaning that the axles don't go to the center of the wheels, they come in from the top and are geared down to the wheel center line.  That puts the differentials up high giving it a lot of ground clearance.

-RP
OK RP, that thing is just cool as hell.   

YOU are the winner of this thread!     

So did you have to go through importing it, and is it street legal?  AC? 

I found it in Tucson.  It had an AZ title and I was able to get a tag.  Its a 1977 model, but parts are still available.  I've been slowly going over it replacing all the non metallic bits.  I was debating between this one or the 6WD version, but I figured I'd start with the 4WD version.  It's got brackets for securing your rifles, which is always handy.  It supposed to be a beast off road - independent suspension, 4WD with front and rear lockers all shiftable on the fly, and a 5 speed syncromesh manual transmission.  It'll be a cool weather truck here though, as there's no ac.

-RP

When you first posted about it a while back, I thought about how badass the 6by would be for hunting in Alaska. Do you know how much water they can take ?

I assume Meathead is asking how deep water can be and the vehicle safely cross or maneuver? 

Rams

If it comes in diesel it would be perfect!

[RP#62]

I liked the off road capabilities of a jeep, but not the price, so I bought a Pinzgauer for a fraction of what a jeep cost.  It was Austrian built for the Swiss Army and it'll climb trees.  I got the radio truck version rather than the troop carrier version.  It's got a 2.5 ton load capacity with a 11,000 pound towing capacity (for towing howitzers).  It won't win any races, but it'll go where a lot of stuff can't.

-RP

It'll ford 27" of water.  Its got portal hubs, meaning that the axles don't go to the center of the wheels, they come in from the top and are geared down to the wheel center line.  That puts the differentials up high giving it a lot of ground clearance.

-RP
OK RP, that thing is just cool as hell.   

YOU are the winner of this thread!     

So did you have to go through importing it, and is it street legal?  AC? 

I found it in Tucson.  It had an AZ title and I was able to get a tag.  Its a 1977 model, but parts are still available.  I've been slowly going over it replacing all the non metallic bits.  I was debating between this one or the 6WD version, but I figured I'd start with the 4WD version.  It's got brackets for securing your rifles, which is always handy.  It supposed to be a beast off road - independent suspension, 4WD with front and rear lockers all shiftable on the fly, and a 5 speed syncromesh manual transmission.  It'll be a cool weather truck here though, as there's no ac.

-RP

When you first posted about it a while back, I thought about how badass the 6by would be for hunting in Alaska. Do you know how much water they can take ?

I assume Meathead is asking how deep water can be and the vehicle safely cross or maneuver? 

Rams

The operating manual says 27" of water.

[RP#62]

I liked the off road capabilities of a jeep, but not the price, so I bought a Pinzgauer for a fraction of what a jeep cost.  It was Austrian built for the Swiss Army and it'll climb trees.  I got the radio truck version rather than the troop carrier version.  It's got a 2.5 ton load capacity with a 11,000 pound towing capacity (for towing howitzers).  It won't win any races, but it'll go where a lot of stuff can't.

-RP

It'll ford 27" of water.  Its got portal hubs, meaning that the axles don't go to the center of the wheels, they come in from the top and are geared down to the wheel center line.  That puts the differentials up high giving it a lot of ground clearance.

-RP
OK RP, that thing is just cool as hell.   

YOU are the winner of this thread!     

So did you have to go through importing it, and is it street legal?  AC? 

I found it in Tucson.  It had an AZ title and I was able to get a tag.  Its a 1977 model, but parts are still available.  I've been slowly going over it replacing all the non metallic bits.  I was debating between this one or the 6WD version, but I figured I'd start with the 4WD version.  It's got brackets for securing your rifles, which is always handy.  It supposed to be a beast off road - independent suspension, 4WD with front and rear lockers all shiftable on the fly, and a 5 speed syncromesh manual transmission.  It'll be a cool weather truck here though, as there's no ac.

-RP

When you first posted about it a while back, I thought about how badass the 6by would be for hunting in Alaska. Do you know how much water they can take ?

I assume Meathead is asking how deep water can be and the vehicle safely cross or maneuver? 

Rams

If it comes in diesel it would be perfect!

Mine is gas powered - 2.5L air cooled inline 4.  Sometime in the 80's, they started making them with a turbo diesel engine.
-RP

[The emperor has no clothes]

I liked the off road capabilities of a jeep, but not the price, so I bought a Pinzgauer for a fraction of what a jeep cost.  It was Austrian built for the Swiss Army and it'll climb trees.  I got the radio truck version rather than the troop carrier version.  It's got a 2.5 ton load capacity with a 11,000 pound towing capacity (for towing howitzers).  It won't win any races, but it'll go where a lot of stuff can't.

-RP

It'll ford 27" of water.  Its got portal hubs, meaning that the axles don't go to the center of the wheels, they come in from the top and are geared down to the wheel center line.  That puts the differentials up high giving it a lot of ground clearance.

-RP
OK RP, that thing is just cool as hell.   

YOU are the winner of this thread!     

So did you have to go through importing it, and is it street legal?  AC? 

I found it in Tucson.  It had an AZ title and I was able to get a tag.  Its a 1977 model, but parts are still available.  I've been slowly going over it replacing all the non metallic bits.  I was debating between this one or the 6WD version, but I figured I'd start with the 4WD version.  It's got brackets for securing your rifles, which is always handy.  It supposed to be a beast off road - independent suspension, 4WD with front and rear lockers all shiftable on the fly, and a 5 speed syncromesh manual transmission.  It'll be a cool weather truck here though, as there's no ac.

-RP

When you first posted about it a while back, I thought about how badass the 6by would be for hunting in Alaska. Do you know how much water they can take ?

I assume Meathead is asking how deep water can be and the vehicle safely cross or maneuver? 

Rams

The operating manual says 27" of water.

got it  I'd love to see some video of you driving it.