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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2020, 12:08:11 PM » |
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Fox was recently purchased by Disney. There has been a definite shift in reporting. The AZ thing drew a lot of ire, but it isn't the only issue. Fox called the race in AZ while people were still in line to vote; the call was completely inappropriate.
How would you like to be standing in line to vote and see that the result is already called? How many people didn't bother to stay and vote?
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2020, 12:25:39 PM » |
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Indeed Mr. Head is correct (It happens sometimes  ) Fox News is NOT owned by Disney, but is a stand alone company now: https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/fox-corporation-becomes-stand-alone-company-as-disney-deal-set-to-closeHowever, the definite leftward shift other than a few of their bigger talking heads, is pretty big and noticeable... Drudgereport has undergone a similar mutation, sadly. |
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2020, 12:28:48 PM » |
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Fox was recently purchased by Disney. There has been a definite shift in reporting. The AZ thing drew a lot of ire, but it isn't the only issue. Fox called the race in AZ while people were still in line to vote; the call was completely inappropriate.
How would like to be standing in line to vote and see that the result is already called? How many people didn't bother to stay and vote?
Honestly, if I were standing in line waiting to vote, I probably wouldn't even be aware of it. But regardless, I would never get out of line because of what a news program was projecting. I minimize my Fox viewing to mostly at my In-Laws home. I don't think I heard about them calling it for Biden until the next day. When did the call it ? I thought Disney's purchase had nothing to do with the News side, just the movie stuff ? I don't remember the exact time, but I think it was around 2030. The polls were closed, but (by law) people in line can still vote. These days, people are on their phones all the time; I'm sure people in line were aware of the call. Did any leave? Impossible to say. Could it impact the result? Absolutely! It was totally irresponsible to make the call before voting was complete. |
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2020, 12:34:14 PM » |
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I had heard the Disney thing as a possible explanation of the leftward shift. They should probably re-think their decision; they are losing a lot of viewers. |
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2020, 12:36:17 PM » |
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any news program that thinks its ok to put their spin on the news instead of just reporting it. i find them unreliable. our fox channels in PA have been going that route now for about a year. i don't want their opinion. i want the straight facts. that goes to the left leaning ones as well as the right leaning ones. just give me the facts and i will make up my own mind. don't try to persuade me one way or the other..
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2020, 01:06:35 PM » |
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I'm just not sure that's possible. I would think the 2 major motivations for owning a media company, whether it be print, tv, online, would be to make money and influence people your direction. Hopefully both. For me, trying to get truthful info is the most important thing. It's up to me to determine who's track record at that is best.
Of course it's possible, that's the way it was done for years. "Influencing people your direction" should NOT be a goal of the news media. I don't begrudge CNN, FOX, etc, etc having opinion programs, but there should be a strict delineation of news programs. We shouldn't have to figure out who's being truthful in reporting the news. Just give us the news, all the news, not just what you like. We can think for ourselves. |
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2020, 01:27:59 PM » |
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The abject disdain for Fox HQ (not all the local affiliates, which have never been conservative) is that they started out solidly conservative (which earned them a huge following), but have solidly shifted left (except as noted, their top talking heads). The disdain is worse because they give lip service to fair and balanced, and aren't (yet) patent leftist cheerleaders like all the others, but they are no longer reliable conservative news. They now carry a lot of crap articles that belong on CNN and MSNBC (which are straight up enemies of the people).
Drudge (which I liked better than Fox) was removed entirely from my viewing a long time ago. I still look at FOX once in a while, but less and less. Screw them (except for the few talking heads). But I don't watch TV news almost ever, only read news.
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2020, 01:34:46 PM » |
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If enough say it, it must be true.  Wag the Dog Russia collusion Benghazi enough said. If just if no one is influenced by the news media why is it so important to own and control them? Why does each station say the same things? |
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2020, 01:59:23 PM » |
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I'm just not sure that's possible. I would think the 2 major motivations for owning a media company, whether it be print, tv, online, would be to make money and influence people your direction. Hopefully both. For me, trying to get truthful info is the most important thing. It's up to me to determine who's track record at that is best.
Of course it's possible, that's the way it was done for years. "Influencing people your direction" should NOT be a goal of the news media. I don't begrudge CNN, FOX, etc, etc having opinion programs, but there should be a strict delineation of news programs. We shouldn't have to figure out who's being truthful in reporting the news. Just give us the news, all the news, not just what you like. We can think for ourselves. I remember many years ago (decades, actually) in American History class, reading and being taught about newspapers during the beginning of our country. As I remember it, almost all of them were formed with the intent of swaying public opinion. Yes, I'm sure there have been some over the years with an altruistic intent. I'd venture to say they have been the minority. Back in the day, most people felt Walter Cronkite was "the man". I preferred the Huntley/Brinkley Report. But even these shows probably had some bias. Less important to me is bias, more important would be truth. But their bias impacts the truth. CNN, for instance, does not report positive news about Trump. No one is wrong (or right) 100% of the time. Alternatively, they ignore negative stories about their favored figures. Unfortunately, millions of Americans get their new directly or indirectly from CNN and have, therefore, been unduly influenced. Huntley-Brinkley Report was off-air in 1970. At 12 y/o, I wasn't much interested in watching it, I'm surprised you were, LOL. I did like Brinkley a lot though, when I did start paying attention. |
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2020, 02:04:17 PM » |
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Dan Bongino ep 1392 amazing information about 4 minutes into the show. https://bongino.com/ |
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2020, 02:59:09 PM » |
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I'm just not sure that's possible. I would think the 2 major motivations for owning a media company, whether it be print, tv, online, would be to make money and influence people your direction. Hopefully both. For me, trying to get truthful info is the most important thing. It's up to me to determine who's track record at that is best.
Of course it's possible, that's the way it was done for years. "Influencing people your direction" should NOT be a goal of the news media. I don't begrudge CNN, FOX, etc, etc having opinion programs, but there should be a strict delineation of news programs. We shouldn't have to figure out who's being truthful in reporting the news. Just give us the news, all the news, not just what you like. We can think for ourselves. I remember many years ago (decades, actually) in American History class, reading and being taught about newspapers during the beginning of our country. As I remember it, almost all of them were formed with the intent of swaying public opinion. Yes, I'm sure there have been some over the years with an altruistic intent. I'd venture to say they have been the minority. Back in the day, most people felt Walter Cronkite was "the man". I preferred the Huntley/Brinkley Report. But even these shows probably had some bias. Less important to me is bias, more important would be truth. But there bias impacts the truth. CNN, for instance, does not report positive news about Trump. No one is wrong (or right) 100% of the time. Alternatively, they ignore negative stories about their favored figures. Unfortunately, millions of Americans get their new directly or indirectly from CNN and have, therefore, been unduly influenced. Huntley-Brinkley Report was off-air in 1970. At 12 y/o, I wasn't much interested in watching it, I'm surprised you were, LOL. I did like Brinkley a lot though, when I did start paying attention.  I'm a strange duck for sure. Mostly I liked the way they did it separately from different parts of the country. For some reason the way it was implemented on TV caught my interest. But to be honest, I didn't really follow politics then. It wasn't until I started delivering newspapers when I was 13 at 5am that I started paying serious attention. Instead of going back to sleep for an hour after finishing I would read the newspaper before school. Back then in Alaska hardly any of our TV was live. When the Watergate hearings started they would fly up video each day. It didn't air till maybe 11 o'clock. At the time my Dad worked the swing shift at Elmendorf. He would get home at about 1am. He thought I was nuts for staying up watching each night. I was fascinated with the drama. Sam Ervin's country boy demeanor had me hooked.  I was aware, but not overly interested until 1974. At 16, I worked the phone banks for a senatorial candidate - we got trounced; probably 'cause I couldn't vote. LOL. |
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2020, 03:29:02 PM » |
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I have given up watching ALL national news. I only watch local stations news broadcasts. At least here they are not as overtly Left as their national news broadcasts.
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2020, 06:04:07 PM » |
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We watch Newsmax and OANN for news. Mostly Newsmax. But we also listen to Rush Limbaugh and Chris Salcedo. Chris in on Newsmax at 8:00 AM and 5:00 PM We can also listen to his radio show on WBAP using Tune In or iHeart Radio. I have to put my hands over my ears when listening to WBAP at the top and bottom of the hour since they are a Fox station and their news is heavily biased now. National news on line I get from https://thelibertydaily.comThe Liberty Daily has some questionable sources but if you know that going in, you can make up your on mind and do some research. Even local news is slanted heavily toward AP, CNN, ect. I also now look at Parler.com during the day. I follow Trump's tweets (re-tweeted from Twitter), Sean Hannity, Dan Bongion, Dinesh D'Souza, and Diamond & Silk |
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2020, 11:10:17 PM » |
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« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2020, 07:03:00 AM » |
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Brian. That is a perfect interpretation of how Fox is now. I watched Fox exclusively but what they pulled on election night was wrong. I have seen Fox slip even more to the left slowly over the years. When they added Donna Brazil as a contributor that was it for me. I would watch but every time that cheating witch came on I turned the channel. Even after she told a Republican rep to "go to hell" on air she was still allowed to be on. I still watch Fox and friends in the morning and Hanitty,Tucker and Laura in the evening sometimes but I'm done watching during the day especially on the weekends..... |
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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2020, 10:10:50 AM » |
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Definition of news
a : a report of recent events
b : previously unknown information
c : something having a specified influence or effect
Notice that the definition does not contain the word "opinion".
Notice "having a specified influence" instead of "having a possible influence".
The moment an opinion is inserted, it is no longer "News".
I believe anyone advertising their opinion as News is false advertising.
I really wish some lawyers would strike up some class action lawsuits over this, but I'm pretty sure the courts are too corrupt at this point for anything like that to actually work.
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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2020, 01:54:28 PM » |
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Well yes, and then there is that pesky 1st Amendment thing also. These are businesses selling a product. They claim to be selling NEWS... but by definition, they are NOT. Subway got sued for selling 11.5" sandwiches, calling them foot-longs. That's not a freedom of speech issue... it's an issue of lying to the consumer about your product. They can still spew their opinion all they want... just not under the guise of "News". Call it analyzing current events... no problem. Call it News... you are lying to your viewers who either directly pay for a service or indirectly make you money through advertising sales. |
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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2020, 06:48:55 PM » |
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So, it wasn't just about them calling Arizona, but them going soft on Trumpism ?
No. What I liked about Fox is that, even though they leaned conservative, they didn't ignore negative news stories about the right and reported on positive stories about the left. The leftward shift is more than just Trump. As I said early in this thread, it was never just about AZ. |
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« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2020, 07:19:22 PM » |
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So, it wasn't just about them calling Arizona, but them going soft on Trumpism ?
No. What I liked about Fox is that, even though they leaned conservative, they didn't ignore negative news stories about the right and reported on positive stories about the left. The leftward shift is more than just Trump. As I said early in this thread, it was never just about AZ. I'm getting mixed messages from friends and family about this. Seems about 50-50 towards calling Arizona and Fox going soft. The AZ call was just one instance of the leftward bolt. If it were only that, there wouldn't have been a huge revolt. However, it may have been the last straw for some. I'm really not sure what you mean by "going soft." |
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« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2020, 12:50:26 PM » |
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I watch Fox because it leans conservative but lately with the likes of Chris Mathews,Juan Williams and Donna Brazil not so much. But unlike the mainstream media Fox does treat Trump fairly. They call him out when he does or says something wrong and praises him when he does good. CNN,MSNBC,ect NEVER call out the good he has done. They only report the news that they spin to fit their liberal agenda to HATE everything about Trump all the while ignoring news stories that put dems in bad light. This is NOT journalism it's propaganda. That is why conservatives call them fake news.
All we are asking is that Republicans be treated as equal as Democrat's. But that is never going to happen.
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« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2020, 05:39:49 PM » |
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I watch Fox because it leans conservative but lately with the likes of Chris Mathews,Juan Williams and Donna Brazil not so much. But unlike the mainstream media Fox does treat Trump fairly. They call him out when he does or says something wrong and praises him when he does good. CNN,MSNBC,ect NEVER call out the good he has done. They only report the news that they spin to fit their liberal agenda to HATE everything about Trump all the while ignoring news stories that put dems in bad light. This is NOT journalism it's propaganda. That is why conservatives call them fake news.
All we are asking is that Republicans be treated as equal as Democrat's. But that is never going to happen.
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« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2020, 05:46:45 PM » |
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I watch Fox because it leans conservative but lately with the likes of Chris Mathews,Juan Williams and Donna Brazil not so much. But unlike the mainstream media Fox does treat Trump fairly. They call him out when he does or says something wrong and praises him when he does good. CNN,MSNBC,ect NEVER call out the good he has done. They only report the news that they spin to fit their liberal agenda to HATE everything about Trump all the while ignoring news stories that put dems in bad light. This is NOT journalism it's propaganda. That is why conservatives call them fake news.
All we are asking is that Republicans be treated as equal as Democrat's. But that is never going to happen.
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« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2020, 05:57:50 PM » |
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So, it wasn't just about them calling Arizona, but them going soft on Trumpism ?
No. What I liked about Fox is that, even though they leaned conservative, they didn't ignore negative news stories about the right and reported on positive stories about the left. The leftward shift is more than just Trump. As I said early in this thread, it was never just about AZ. I'm getting mixed messages from friends and family about this. Seems about 50-50 towards calling Arizona and Fox going soft. The AZ call was just one instance of the leftward bolt. It may have been the last straw for some. I'm really not sure what you mean by "going soft." A lot of the Trump supporters tell me Fox has "went soft" on Trump, and they are not backing him fully. I haven't seen it. But, I don't watch Fox that much. I did a bit of investigating as to Fox's leftward drift. Apparently, Fox starting moving to the left when Rupert Murdoch turned over control to his sons, James and Lachlan; the shift worsened when James stepped down, leaving Lachlan fully in control. My issue isn't with opinion programs, but those that are supposed to be "news." Fox has always put on left wing commentators, part of being "fair and balanced." Juan and Chris have been there for a very long time. Wallace has always been a democrat, but used to try to appear unbiased, not so much anymore. But, what pisses me off the most, is the attacking or cutting right wing guests... it's like watching CNN. Indeed, the Arizona call was a big deal to a lot of people. Not because of the call, per se, but because of the timing. The early call had the potential to influence voting in AZ and other states that hadn’t yet completed voting. The head of Fox’s “decision desk,” Arnon Mishkin (Democrat) made the early call and refused to back down, stating “We’re confident that the data will basically look like the data we’ve noticed throughout the count in Arizona [...] a Trump victory there would be as likely as if a frog had wings.” I doubt he's stupid, I'm sure he knew he could potentially influence voting (likely his intent). Additionally, in the end, the data did not look at all like the data when Mishkin made his decree. As I stated previously, if the AZ call had been a single transgression, Fox viewers would likely have given them a pass. |
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« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2020, 07:34:29 PM » |
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It's a strange phenomenon. My MIL has been bitching about Fox News since the election. Maybe even before. Today as she was on the phone with Brenda, I was quizzing and needling her. She has been watching NewsMax after someone told her about it on Facebook. I tried to hook her up with OAN, but I couldn't find it on our provider. So, she's telling me about it, and I ask her what is on now ? "Oh, I'm watching Fox News" If you have COX, they don't carry OAN. |
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« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2020, 12:54:18 PM » |
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I watch Fox because it leans conservative but lately with the likes of Chris Mathews,Juan Williams and Donna Brazil not so much. But unlike the mainstream media Fox does treat Trump fairly. They call him out when he does or says something wrong and praises him when he does good. CNN,MSNBC,ect NEVER call out the good he has done. They only report the news that they spin to fit their liberal agenda to HATE everything about Trump all the while ignoring news stories that put dems in bad light. This is NOT journalism it's propaganda. That is why conservatives call them fake news.
All we are asking is that Republicans be treated as equal as Democrat's. But that is never going to happen.
Kinda like this board eh? So nice to be treated fairly. Sorry Connie. Yes I meant Chris Wallace not Mathews. Hard to tell the two apart these days.. Dave, If you feel you're being treated unfairly on the board you can do something to change that. Just leave. |
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