You just can't fix a lack of common sense

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The English driver was persuaded by its government to switch from gasoline to diesel for its personal vehicle.

The increase in m.p.g. led to a drop in tax revenue. This resulted in an increase in pump prices as tax on diesel was increased.

Then the English driver was told diesel was pollution poison and they should stop using it.

Many switched to hybrids and electric vehicles.

NOW!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8953727/Motoring-groups-warn-Rishi-Sunak-not-adopt-pay-drive-scheme.html#comments

[Patrick]

If sense was common everyone would have some.

[carolinarider09]

It just shows how poorly some of these people think.  And how easily the people are taken advantage of.

Just assume that they implement a tax on miles driven.  How would that be accomplished?  Would it matter if you vehicle was electric or gas powered?  Would it matter if you had a hybrid system (electric with battery with gas backup)?

How would it be accomplished, probably a GPS tracking device required to be installed in each vehicle that would track miles driven and report back to the government for tax purposes. (Can you say "Big Brother"?)

Would it mater if you had a gas or electric car?  Nope.  It would require a "universal" system?  

Would it matter if you had a hybrid vehicle?  Nope.  See above.  

[scooperhsd]

That's kind of what's unfair doing it by fuel taxes - hybrids (not so much) and electric vehicles are not currently perceived as paying their fair share. However, is that GPS they will want to us be small enough to work OK on a motorcycle ? The world wonders....

[carolinarider09]

https://www.amazon.com/Mileage-Ace-Automatic-Electronic-Uploading/dp/B00TSSOH4A

[Patrick]

NYS has all that info from its now useless outdated vehicle inspection program. I hope they don't ever figure that out though.

[old2soon]

           Break down the cost of a gallon of fuel we purchase at the pump. Actual cost of gasoline/diesel per gallon sans taxes. The same 87 octane I buy here in Mo.-pump price-is .35/.60 cents a gallon more in Il. When I was still drivin big truck some states were Very interested in collecting more taxes from big trucks based on miles driven in that state. Any bean counter I talked with at any of the companies told me even with satelite and computers it were a pure dee azz witch keeping up with it. I already KNOW where ever I fill up local county and state and fed taxes are reflected in the pump price.
           So fast forward a bit joe and k are sworn in. they do indeed kill the oil companies. NOBADY is now paying the fed fuel tax. So Where ZACKLY will that lost revenue be made up? Used to see thos yellow with black letters sign on the back of the tractor trailer rig-this vehicle pay $3575.71 or more or less a year in taxes. And NOT just fed taxes-state county and city/town they are domaciled out of. And I am NOT even delving into a big trucks fuel burn. I will say me personally burning tween 100 and 125 gallons a day was not unheard of. And THAT was just 1 truck. RIDE SAFE.

[Patrick]

Want to stop all the 'pollution poison' in this country ? Simple. Frack baby, frack. Natural gas is the cheapest most effective way to reduce the bad ole stuff coming from our tail pipes. Not worry, the Feds will find a way to tax the heck out of it. If they would only use it to pay off our debt, but, that would make sense wouldn't it.

[scooperhsd]

About using natural gas - there is a major NG filling station for all the big trucks (trash, UPS /FEDEX/Etc.) to use about 3 miles from my house. Haven't seen one for cars / trucks around here. I have seen that some of the car makers (notably Honda) made NG versions of some models - with the caveat "only available in CA".

[Patrick]

There have been many trucking companies convert from diesel to NG and they are very happy, no real downside that I'm aware of. No emission systems and longer oil distance between oil changes.

The local propane companies have been doing conversions on light stuff for a couple decades around here and are now doing and selling CNG. If it was more readily available I'd have it.

When it comes to gasoline, the Feds have known for quite some time that non-ethanol is not all it was cracked up to be. It has fewer BTUs and therefore worse fuel mileage and is more expensive to produce as well as destructive and spoils quickly. But, there is money to be made from it so the Feds continue to turn their backs.

[ridingron]

I looked into a natural gas Honda several years ago. The Civic was the only model and was about $25,000 vs $15,000 for a gasoline one. I don't remember the MPG comparison. It was available for Florida. I have natural gas for my house, so that wouldn't be a problem but would need a $2500 regulator/pump for filling at home. I read that gas would need to be at $4 a gal. (US) to break even.  The fact that you would be making that little girl in Sweden happy would make it all better! 
 

Natural gas has less BTUs than propane which is less than gasoline.

[Patrick]

Yep, CNG and propane have less BTUs than gas/diesel and I don't know what the fuel mileage difference is.

[Robert]

In S Fla they wanted to conserve water and told people to use less and they did, so what happened, revenue was down so they raised the pricing of the water. 

So essentially the people paid twice for saving.

[scooperhsd]

There have been many trucking companies convert from diesel to NG and they are very happy, no real downside that I'm aware of. No emission systems and longer oil distance between oil changes.

The local propane companies have been doing conversions on light stuff for a couple decades around here and are now doing and selling CNG. If it was more readily available I'd have it.

When it comes to gasoline, the Feds have known for quite some time that non-ethanol is not all it was cracked up to be. It has fewer BTUs and therefore worse fuel mileage and is more expensive to produce as well as destructive and spoils quickly. But, there is money to be made from it so the Feds continue to turn their backs.

SO what's wrong with non-ethanol gas ? I thought it was preferred for long term storage, and you only run the ethanol gas when you're going to be going through it in a hurry ? I'm thinking you have your postulate backwards - it's the Ethanol enhanced gas that is bad, not the non-ethanol gas.

[Patrick]

There have been many trucking companies convert from diesel to NG and they are very happy, no real downside that I'm aware of. No emission systems and longer oil distance between oil changes.

The local propane companies have been doing conversions on light stuff for a couple decades around here and are now doing and selling CNG. If it was more readily available I'd have it.

When it comes to gasoline, the Feds have known for quite some time that non-ethanol is not all it was cracked up to be. It has fewer BTUs and therefore worse fuel mileage and is more expensive to produce as well as destructive and spoils quickly. But, there is money to be made from it so the Feds continue to turn their backs.

SO what's wrong with non-ethanol gas ? I thought it was preferred for long term storage, and you only run the ethanol gas when you're going to be going through it in a hurry ? I'm thinking you have your postulate backwards - it's the Ethanol enhanced gas that is bad, not the non-ethanol gas.

You're right ! I misspoke !   Don't know what got into me. The ethanol stuff is the bad stuff.

[scooperhsd]

There have been many trucking companies convert from diesel to NG and they are very happy, no real downside that I'm aware of. No emission systems and longer oil distance between oil changes.

The local propane companies have been doing conversions on light stuff for a couple decades around here and are now doing and selling CNG. If it was more readily available I'd have it.

When it comes to gasoline, the Feds have known for quite some time that non-ethanol is not all it was cracked up to be. It has fewer BTUs and therefore worse fuel mileage and is more expensive to produce as well as destructive and spoils quickly. But, there is money to be made from it so the Feds continue to turn their backs.

SO what's wrong with non-ethanol gas ? I thought it was preferred for long term storage, and you only run the ethanol gas when you're going to be going through it in a hurry ? I'm thinking you have your postulate backwards - it's the Ethanol enhanced gas that is bad, not the non-ethanol gas.

You're right ! I misspoke !   Don't know what got into me. The ethanol stuff is the bad stuff.

No worries - nobody is perfect, leastwise me    .

[bikerboy1951]

Biden has the fix for gas guzzling, polluting engines.  He said that he will build 500,000+ charging stations for all the electric cars we are going to have.

[Jess from VA]

Biden has the fix for gas guzzling, polluting engines.  He said that he will build 500,000+ charging stations for all the electric cars we are going to have.

With his share of the Ukraine Burisma money?   Good for him.

[OnaWingandaPrayer]

It makes me wonder how a horse would handle on the tail of the dragon? would it get dizzy from all those turns?  Oh wait , then we would institute a manure tax....more taxes, less vehicles, gubmint shortfalls, we the people never get ahead. J&K will take care of us though. It'll be alright, don't ya think?

[Gavin_Sons]

It makes me wonder how a horse would handle on the tail of the dragon? would it get dizzy from all those turns?  Oh wait , then we would institute a manure tax....more taxes, less vehicles, gubmint shortfalls, we the people never get ahead. J&K will take care of us though. It'll be alright, don't ya think?

Yeah they will take care of us alright. Right after they implement their income distribution plan. If i make the same as someone not working when i work my ass off, I'm quitting and staying home. Why bother to work?

[Patrick]

Manure tax ?  They'll probably bring up a methane tax due to all the mid-west cow farts. I guess they don't realize that cows fart in every state. So dairy products and beef prices will go up.

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And then...................

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8956893/Electric-bike-prices-slashed-cycling-revolution.html

[0leman]

Biden has the fix for gas guzzling, polluting engines.  He said that he will build 500,000+ charging stations for all the electric cars we are going to have.

He doesn't have a plan to supply energy to these charging stations.  Just the upgrades in transmission lines is going to be a big bunch of $$$$.   Plus where is the energy coming from?

And then...................

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8956893/Electric-bike-prices-slashed-cycling-revolution.html

Sounds great on paper.  Just riding your bike to work.  If you like close to job, if the weather is good, if there is a place to ride safely.   Yeah sounds great.  By the way we're are experiencing gust of winds up to 55 mph, with a storm heading towards us.  May get some of the dreaded white stuff later today or tomorrow.  Riding a bicycle in that in a suit really sounds great.  Glade I am retired.