Alien
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« on: November 20, 2020, 06:28:06 AM » |
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If the allegations regarding the Dominion voting system are proven in court to be true and it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the election was tampered with utilizing that system, what happens next? Are the votes electronically "restored" to their rightful count and if so, who would oversee that to ensure there isn't more fraud? Or, is there another election utilizing a different system? Or...?
Maybe some of the lawyers here can chime in - is there any legal precedent for where we would go in that instance?
January 20th is approaching fast and we are in complete chaos.
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2020, 06:34:19 AM » |
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Romeo
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2020, 07:00:34 AM » |
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Hard to believe that YouTube allows such trash on their servers. Where’s that sarcasm button?
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Robert
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2020, 07:33:53 AM » |
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Hard to believe that YouTube allows such trash on their servers. Where’s that sarcasm button?
I thought you had better thought process than that, you may disagree, you may not like it, but it is facts and an explanation, that is all. It safe guards the USA elections why would anyone not want that? I gave this partially in response to Aliens earlier post really but don't have the time to put it there. |
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“Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don’t have time for all that.”
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Oss
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2020, 07:38:22 AM » |
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If all else fails each state gets a vote from their elector
This has happened before, it is not a new phenomenon
What is new is the means by which suppression and "alien"ation of votes is alleged to have occurred
Our framers were smart dudes, it took them quite a while to hammer out the rules so that certification of votes was preserved.
Neither side should fear this process of recount, court challenge or state elector voting 1 per state.
It is after all being true to the Constitution
It is precisely the "calling of an election" prior to the completion of this process that is the THREAT to the REPUBLIC
The words Threat to Democracy are fake words as we have a Republic not a democracy and thank the good Lord that is the case as in a Democracy the majority can decide they want to take anything you have, your wife, your gun, your house...anything at all
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2020, 07:56:02 AM » |
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2020, 08:10:13 AM » |
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If all else fails each state gets a vote from their elector
This has happened before, it is not a new phenomenon
What is new is the means by which suppression and "alien"ation of votes is alleged to have occurred
Our framers were smart dudes, it took them quite a while to hammer out the rules so that certification of votes was preserved.
Neither side should fear this process of recount, court challenge or state elector voting 1 per state.
It is after all being true to the Constitution
It is precisely the "calling of an election" prior to the completion of this process that is the THREAT to the REPUBLIC
The words Threat to Democracy are fake words as we have a Republic not a democracy and thank the good Lord that is the case as in a Democracy the majority can decide they want to take anything you have, your wife, your gun, your house...anything at all
Evan - normally I wouldn't correct an attorney/ lawyer - but if it goes past the electors and into the House of Representatives - THAT'S where it becomes 1 state, 1 vote for President. Same will happen in the Senate for Vice President (where the President of the Senate (the Vice President) is ironically one of the candidates this time). Not saying it will get this far, but a reading of Amendments 12 and 20 (that I've read) and some additional federal laws puts such a spin on this that I think it may take the Supreme Court to sort it out. IMO... I maybe wrong. |
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Patrick
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2020, 08:10:21 AM » |
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Rule this election null and void and start over. It'll probably take quite some time to come to that ruling.
In person voting with ID verification or absentee ballots only. None of random mail-in BS.
If we go beyond the Dec deadline, so be it.
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2020, 08:21:48 AM » |
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Rule this election null and void and start over. It'll probably take quite some time to come to that ruling.
In person voting with ID verification or absentee ballots only. None of random mail-in BS.
If we go beyond the Dec deadline, so be it.
If we don't have a President elect by Jan 20, the current President stays in until it is taken care of. |
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2020, 08:23:06 AM » |
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John Kerry Says 'Great Reset' Is Needed To Stop Rise Of Populism
Former Secretary of State John Kerry attended a panel discussion at the World Economic Forum during which he asserted that a great reset was urgently needed to stop the rise of populism.
Translation, in order for the US to fall into our plans and come into subjection for the plan of the one world we have for it we need to have a financial, and political reset so people are so beleaguered that they will comply with the new direction rather than thinking of the nationalism of the US.
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“Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don’t have time for all that.”
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2020, 08:29:40 AM » |
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I don't think Sec Kerry has the best interests of our country in mind....
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2020, 10:07:25 AM » |
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higher end financial people have been talking about a reset for over 15 yrs. G20 nations have been calling for a three world currency system and then one world currency for over 15 yrs also. https://bigleaguepolitics.com/video-a-tired-looking-hillary-clinton-shills-for-the-great-reset-agenda-at-globalist-forum/https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/11/20/the-great-reset-is-not-a-conspiracy-theory/The Great Reset is not a conspiracy theory. But lots of useful idiots want you to believe that it is. Here’s an example: The phrase has shot throughout the fringes of Right-Wing Twitter like a virus through a karaoke bar. According to Pauline Hanson of the Australian party One Nation it is an attempt to establish a ‘socialist left Marxist view of the world’. James Delingpole describes it as a ‘global communist takeover plan’. You get the idea. Anyone who imagines that the Great Reset is a serious threat belongs on the crackpot fringe. I hear this a lot and it’s a point that needs addressing because if we’re not careful the bastards will get away with it. Just as the devil’s greatest trick was to persuade the world he didn’t exist, so it suits promoters of the Great Reset for people to believe they’re not serious about their plan — even despite the fact that every last detail is spelled out on the World Economic Forum’s website. And in its tweets (unless, like me, you’re blocked). And on the cover of Time magazine. And in books like the one WEF founder Klaus Schwab published this year titled COVID-19: the Great Reset. |
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2020, 10:45:30 AM » |
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There have been election troubles before, but maybe not on this scale.
The parameter constitutional rules exist, but there is not a heck of a lot of past president.
Beyond any reasonable doubt is the high(est) criminal burden of proof, but when litigating the legitimacy of a national election (state by state), the burden of proof would not be so high; either a preponderance of the evidence or clear and convincing evidence. (this is not to say some individuals may be criminally tried, with beyond a reasonable doubt burden of proof of course)
The remedies available seem dependent on what can be proved. I do not see a do-over election (without hackable/cheatable computer systems, and lying cheating poll workers) as possible, though that sure would be a fair way to fix an utterly failed national election (if that can be proven). So I think remedies will necessarily be state by state, one by one, with some votes or counties thrown out or added to. Recounts, audits, and other piecemeal remedies.
Whatever shakes out, this can never ever be allowed to happen again. Even if we have to bring in the National Guards or US Military to run all national elections from here on out. Obviously, national elections are too important to be trusted to any political parties.
And if some people are caught and convicted, heads need to roll, and I mean literally
Ship them to Gitmo, turn them over to military tribunals, and waterboard the hell out of them too.
It must never ever happen again.
What are we, freeking Venezuela? (though you get the idea a lot of people really wish we were Venezuela) (They need their citizenship revoked and deported to Venezuela so they can fully realize their infantile, seditious and ridiculous dreams).
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Robert
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2020, 11:21:25 AM » |
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https://youtu.be/mY2ZlpdOgFoKelli Ward in Arizona peels back the curtains to EXPOSE Dominion Voting Software
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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2020, 11:23:52 AM » |
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I don't think Sec Kerry has the best interests of our country in mind....
He didn't have The Best interests of The U S of A in mind when he was in Nam either. RIDE SAFE. |
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« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2020, 05:33:37 AM » |
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very interesting and good responses.
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« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2020, 06:30:03 AM » |
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Put Trump and Biden in a ring and let them fight for the win....
Rumble in the jungle 2020.
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« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2020, 06:38:12 AM » |
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Put Trump and Biden in a ring and let them fight for the win....
Rumble in the jungle 2020.
Wonder how long two old men can go ? 45 seconds ? |
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« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2020, 06:53:42 AM » |
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Put Trump and Biden in a ring and let them fight for the win....
Rumble in the jungle 2020.
Wonder how long two old men can go ? 45 seconds ? I would guess a minute tops after they got Joe awake.. |
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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2020, 06:59:58 AM » |
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Put Trump and Biden in a ring and let them fight for the win....
Rumble in the jungle 2020.
Wonder how long two old men can go ? 45 seconds ? I would guess a minute tops after they got Joe awake.. Good point ! Gives me an idea. Maybe a new set of IBA rules are needed. 10 round max, each separated by a 30 minute nap. I think it has the makings of a HUGE Pay per View payday.  |
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« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2020, 07:48:45 AM » |
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A rather foolish assumption re. "old men." Those two maybe....but not all!  |
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« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2020, 07:51:57 AM » |
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Put Trump and Biden in a ring and let them fight for the win....
Rumble in the jungle 2020.
Wonder how long two old men can go ? 45 seconds ? I would guess a minute tops after they got Joe awake.. Good point ! Gives me an idea. Maybe a new set of IBA rules are needed. 10 round max, each separated by a 30 minute nap. I think it has the makings of a HUGE Pay per View payday. Hey I am in that age range. Think I could go several 3 minute rounds right now before needing a NAP.. Haven't sparred in 10 years or so but think my body could handle it.  |
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