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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2020, 07:05:47 PM » |
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2020, 07:17:25 PM » |
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2020, 07:19:37 PM » |
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Only one reporting it is OAN
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2020, 07:24:53 PM » |
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Only one reporting it is OAN
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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2020, 06:06:06 AM » |
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hhmmmmmmmmm Ok, you can consider OAN biased. But they are covering the Michigan Legislature's Oversight Committee Hearings on the Election. OAN is the only one covering it live. The witnesses are not CNN type anonymous sources. The people testifying are under oath and definitely not anonymous. The silence from the general media is deafening. OAN seems to be the last bastion of journalism.
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I had to look up OAN... Wiki says: One America News Network (OANN), also known as One American News (OAN), is a far-right, pro-Donald Trump cable channel ... I thought that was curious, so I checked what the Wiki says about CNN: Cable News Network is a far-left anti-Donald Trump cable channel ... OK, just joking about the CNN part... I mean... they said it, but I paraphrased it  ... -Mike
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far-right, pro-Donald Trump cable channel
Even more funny when ya' think about it, seeing as Donald Trump is very much a moderate, even a little to the left, saying a channel is both "far-right" and "pro-Donald Trump" is kinda contradictory...
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Just for the record, I watch OANN each morning for about 90 minutes. It tends to repeat after awhile. In general, they have few "editorial" comments. They report events. The events they report do have commentary, voice overs, from the news person who is on the program at the time. From 7AM to 9AM there are two different female reports who present the news. Yes, they do have "commentary" embedded in these one hour events but its not a major portion. The point is, I think its the least biased presentation of news you can find. LIke, right now I shifted to NewsMax. The reporter (or whatever you want to call him) is interviewing a Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai, and MIT, PhD, Scientist who is commenting on the numbers of votes for Biden and Trump. Here is the link to his bio which includes the following. Dr. V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai, the inventor of email and polymath, holds four degrees from MIT, is a world-renowned systems scientist, inventor and entrepreneurhttps://vashiva.comWonder if Dr Ayyadurai shows up on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, ect.......
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« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2020, 07:25:33 AM » |
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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2020, 07:25:58 AM » |
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hhmmmmmmmmm You know what amazes me? How you can believe one person that says something derogatory or inflammatory about President Trump without one ioda of proof but you don't believe literally hundreds of witnesses that signed affidavits stating they witnessed voter fraud firsthand. Are they all lying? Or is it, you hate Trump so much that you would condone cheating as long as your side wins. That sure would explain you liking the Patriots..
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« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2020, 07:39:36 AM » |
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That sure would explain you liking the Patriots..
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« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2020, 08:07:33 AM » |
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hhmmmmmmmmm You know what amazes me? How you can believe one person that says something derogatory or inflammatory about President Trump without one ioda of proof but you don't believe literally hundreds of witnesses that signed affidavits stating they witnessed voter fraud firsthand. Are they all lying? Or is it, you hate Trump so much that you would condone cheating as long as your side wins. That sure would explain you liking the Patriots.. That is the question I have. It appears that for many (well a few on here that respond) its win any way possible. "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead". Its the outcome that is most important. How we get there does not matter. You would think any American would be truly concerned about illegal voting, universal mail in voting, or the such were a valid ID is not required or at least a verification signature is not required to cast a vote. Voting was/is suppose to be a sacred honor and duty of every American citizen. It is something that is suppose to be unique to our country. One Person, One Vote. Today, not so. And even the Democrat Party Platform has as one of its goals, universal vote-from-home and vote-by-mail options. These goals can be found in the document reference below. So, if the Democrat Party has its way, you will no longer have to stand in line to vote. You just put your ballot in the mail and let the process proceed. Does anyone not see the potential for fraud in this process???? How can anyone support the concept "universal-vote-from-home"? Reference for above statement from Democrat Party Platform, 2020 https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/restoring-and-strengthening-our-democracy/
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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2020, 09:43:28 AM » |
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Facebook and OAN. Seems legit.
Did you not watch the video? This guy is under oath, but i guess that doesn't matter to some anti americans.
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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2020, 09:58:31 AM » |
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Universal vote-by-mail can work - if it is done correctly. This means from keeping the registered voters accurate, you can track out and receipt of the ballots, and most of all - ALL BALLOTS ARE SECURED going out and coming back until they are officially counted. Set a return by date and don't allow any exceptions. I might even suggest watermarking the ballots and other security measures as needed.
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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2020, 10:12:39 AM » |
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Universal vote-by-mail can work - if it is done correctly. This means from keeping the registered voters accurate, you can track out and receipt of the ballots, and most of all - ALL BALLOTS ARE SECURED going out and coming back until they are officially counted. Set a return by date and don't allow any exceptions. I might even suggest watermarking the ballots and other security measures as needed.
See Oregon as an example.
I disagree. There is no way to ensure that the voting material is being received by the voter even if the address is correct. A ballot is sent out. There is no way to identify who received it. Signaturs can be easily forged. Mail boxes can be easily raided, multiple ways to fudge the system. The only way that ensures that my vote, your vote, is counted and not negated by a fake ballot is in person voting. Now, there are several instances that mail in ballots are necessary but they should not universal. It should be the exception not the rule. Here is another opinion on Oregon's Mail In Voting system. https://pjmedia.com/columns/jeff-reynolds/2020/06/30/as-states-consider-vote-by-mail-does-oregons-system-stand-up-to-scrutiny-n587678
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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2020, 10:16:18 AM » |
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How? Would the security prevent someone from stealing a ballot from a mailbox, fill it out and sending it back? Around here, where they require picture ID to vote, the "someone" would have a hard time voting for someone else.
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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2020, 10:31:10 AM » |
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It was on OAN on Facebook because, if I remember correctly, OAN was banned from Youtube because they said something that the Facebook liberal fact checkers did not like. The ban was for one week. (see link below) https://deadline.com/2020/11/oan-youtube-banned-covid-19-cure-video-misinformation-1234621427/So, that expired today (if I am correct about the start date). So, the only way they could publish the video was using FaceBook (I am surprised FaceBook did not ban it but.....). There were no other "news organizations" that covered the testimony live. At least none that I could find. But here is a right up from PJ Media of the genetlmen's testimony, under oath and subject to charges of perjury if he lies. https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o-neil/2020/12/01/whistleblower-i-drove-thousands-of-ballots-from-new-york-to-pennsylvania-n1184008Here is a salient point from his testimony. “The supervisor told me to drive to Lancaster without being unloaded in Harrisburg,” Morgan said. “I knew the ballots were loaded for Harrisburg.” He also recalled asking for his ticket, the slip that shows he arrived, and a late slip to prove he had been delayed. The supervisor refused to give him the slip.
“I then drove to Lancaster, unhooked my trailer in its normal place, and then drove my truck to where I always park it,” he recalled. “The next day, it just got weirder. As I arrived at Lancaster… my trailer was gone, not there anymore.”In essence his trip was not documented as was the normal case and when he went back for this trailer .......
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old2soon here. I filled out my ballot with the pen supplied by my precinct. I put ballot in machine. I have like ZERO idea if ballot was tallied as I voted it. And IF you were paying tenshun to my other posts you already KNOW Who I voted for. RIDE SAFE.
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Universal vote-by-mail can work - if it is done correctly. This means from keeping the registered voters accurate, you can track out and receipt of the ballots, and most of all - ALL BALLOTS ARE SECURED going out and coming back until they are officially counted. Set a return by date and don't allow any exceptions. I might even suggest watermarking the ballots and other security measures as needed.
See Oregon as an example.
I disagree. There is no way to ensure that the voting material is being received by the voter even if the address is correct. A ballot is sent out. There is no way to identify who received it. Signaturs can be easily forged. Mail boxes can be easily raided, multiple ways to fudge the system. The only way that ensures that my vote, your vote, is counted and not negated by a fake ballot is in person voting. Now, there are several instances that mail in ballots are necessary but they should not universal. It should be the exception not the rule. Here is another opinion on Oregon's Mail In Voting system. https://pjmedia.com/columns/jeff-reynolds/2020/06/30/as-states-consider-vote-by-mail-does-oregons-system-stand-up-to-scrutiny-n587678OK, so let's combine this with public key cryptography. If the person attempting to steal doesn't have the private key of the recipient, they couldn't even read it....
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Why don't you want to go to the polling place and present your personal ID and vote in person?
You know, inquiring minds.......
Just for the record, on October 1st, 2021 you will need a "Real ID" to enter Federal facilities, entering nuclear power plants, and, boarding federally regulated commercial aircraft.
In other words, if you want to go into the federal courthouse in after October 1st 2021 you will need a Real ID. If you want to fly on a airplane (commercial as a minimum) you will need a real ID.
Why is it too much to ask that you, unless there are dire circumstances which prevent you from showing up in person, not have to be present in person to vote and show a "Real ID"? Are American Citizens so lazy that they cannot, once every two years, show up at a polling place and cast their vote in person.
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OK, so let's combine this with public key cryptography. If the person attempting to steal doesn't have the private key of the recipient, they couldn't even read it....AHAHAHAHAHAHA  I'm not laughing at you. The ACLU opposes requiring Picture ID to vote because "Minority voters disproportionately lack ID." Here's my cheat sheet on how I use public key cryptography, I hope this is helpful to people for whom getting a picture ID is too hard: import someone's public key into your keyring: gpg --search-keys user@asdf gpg --recv xyzzyabc <- key ID
magic key editing command (use this to sign someone's key on your keyring): gpg --edit-key foo@bar.com
command line way to sign: gpg --default-key ABCDEF01 --sign-key FEDC0123
see a key's signatures: gpg --list-sigs user@gmail.com
After signing signee@place.com's key, encrypt it with his public key and send it back to him in email: gpg --output /tmp/foo.out --armor --export FF2E3E4D --encrypt --recipient signee@place.com
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Make a key pair: gpg --gen-key {answer questions}
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put the public key on public key servers: gpg --armor --export email@addr cut-and-paste this into pgp.mit.edu
Make a revocation key for safety: gpg --gen-revoke --armor --output=RevocationCertificate.asc your@email.address
Show a key's fingerprint: gpg --fingerprint email@addr
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« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2020, 02:42:24 PM » |
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Had to look it up to be sure.
Why don't you want to go to the polling place and present your personal ID and vote in person?
You know, inquiring minds.......
Just for the record, on October 1st, 2021 you will need a "Real ID" to enter Federal facilities, entering nuclear power plants, and, boarding federally regulated commercial aircraft.
In other words, if you want to go into the federal courthouse in after October 1st 2021 you will need a Real ID. If you want to fly on a airplane (commercial as a minimum) you will need a real ID.
Why is it too much to ask that you, unless there are dire circumstances which prevent you from showing up in person, not have to be present in person to vote and show a "Real ID"? Are American Citizens so lazy that they cannot, once every two years, show up at a polling place and cast their vote in person.
Again, unless there are very extenuating circumstances.
Fully agree ! Show up and vote legally. Or, if you can't for some reason, then absentee. Those two only. I still think we should go back to the reliable mechanical machines like NYS used for decades. What is hard about getting a legal ID ? When it comes to buying their cigs and beer they seem to find a way to get it. Actually absentee voting isn't all that great. This is the only year we didn't vote in person and applied for the absentee ballots. They were mailed out but we never received them and USPS has no answer as to why. USPS has really screwed up this year.
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Had to look it up to be sure.
Why don't you want to go to the polling place and present your personal ID and vote in person?
You know, inquiring minds.......
Just for the record, on October 1st, 2021 you will need a "Real ID" to enter Federal facilities, entering nuclear power plants, and, boarding federally regulated commercial aircraft.
In other words, if you want to go into the federal courthouse in after October 1st 2021 you will need a Real ID. If you want to fly on a airplane (commercial as a minimum) you will need a real ID.
Why is it too much to ask that you, unless there are dire circumstances which prevent you from showing up in person, not have to be present in person to vote and show a "Real ID"? Are American Citizens so lazy that they cannot, once every two years, show up at a polling place and cast their vote in person.
Again, unless there are very extenuating circumstances.
Already have my "RealID" - got it when I got my Kansas Driver's License. I'm just throwing ideas on ways that "not-in-person" voting can be made more secure. I personally would prefer everyone to have to vote in person, showing their "RealID" . If you can go buy groceries, you can vote in person, otherwise - that's what absentee ballots should be used for. And even for Absentee - you should have to show your RealId to a Notary Public and sign the ballot (matching your application for said ballot).
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Bob,, I sit here and watch your posts mostly without responding but you have had things bite you in the ass that you have posted before. I hope you learn something. I really try to avoid that, but I think I'm pretty safe here.... 
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Bob,, I sit here and watch your posts mostly without responding but you have had things bite you in the ass that you have posted before. I hope you learn something. I really try to avoid that, but I think I'm pretty safe here....  Just like you thought you were pretty safe telling us you guaranteed Hillary would win in 2016? 
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So this is your take on everything that’s going on...a possible passing of gas? I guess that’s never happened to you in an unfortunate setting. I’m assuming you are just fine with all the affidavits which are signed, the numerous claims of tabulated voting irregularities via paper and mechanical and the outright dismissal of in person testimony. None of this brings any questions into your mind there could be foul play at work? Is it the win at all costs state of mind/ mentality or just blind unrelenting/undying political party support?
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So this is your take on everything that’s going on...a possible passing of gas? I guess that’s never happened to you in an unfortunate setting. I’m assuming you are just fine with all the affidavits which are signed, the numerous claims of tabulated voting irregularities via paper and mechanical and the outright dismissal of in person testimony. None of this brings any questions into your mind there could be foul play at work? Is it the win at all costs state of mind/ mentality or just blind unrelenting/undying political party support? Many people much smarter than me have found absolutely no basis in fact with all these claims. How many judges have used those exact words to dismiss these frivolous lawsuits, time after time after time? I'll ask you the same question. "None of this brings any questions into your mind there could might not be foul play at work? Is it the win at all costs state of mind/ mentality or just blind unrelenting/undying political party support?
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