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So, last month, I traded in the KLR650 on a 2016 Harley Davidson Dyna Switchback (standard Dyna with removable hard saddle bags and removeable windshield). I've waited and put some miles on it before writing this. unnamed (1) by Scott Sapers, on Flickr Specs: 103 CI High Output Twin Cam engine, 76.1 HP 92.9 Lb/ft Torque Six speed transmission Belt drive Fuel Injection Single disc front brake ABS Forward controls with footboards Switchgear: Valkyrie - The Honda switches are…fine. They work and have worked for 23 years without issue, they follow the standard motorcycle layout and do their job but they aren’t anything special. Harley – These are the best motorcycle switches that I have ever experienced. Each one engaged with a satisfying “thunk.” You can feel that they are very “mechanical” and robust. I actually enjoy operating them just for the sound and feel. The downside is Harley’s insistence on using their own layout for switch location. Starter, horn and turn signal switches are not in the same location as most other bikes. Not a big deal for most people but as I switch between the Harley and the Valkyrie, it can sometimes cause a moment of “hunting” for the right switch (particularly the horn button). Winner – Harley Engine: Valkyrie – The flat 6 is a delight in every respect. All the power I want, smooth as silk, has required nothing more than oil changes from me in all these years. Dead nuts reliable. The sound is unique and amazing. The only downside is that the Valkyrie gets the worst fuel mileage of any motorcycle I have ever owned. Harley – Great low end torque, great mileage, classic Harley sound. Downside: runs out of steam over 4000 rpm, paint shaker levels of vibration at idle. Winner – Tie. They are both great engines for their respective bikes and I enjoy them both. Transmission: Valkyrie – The Valkyrie 5 speed is durable and problem free. It is also clunky, can be finicky if you don’t shift with authority and not at the same level as the amazing engine that it is attached to. It’s like a dump truck transmission in a Porsche. Harley – The Six speed is butter smooth and each gear engages solidly with a firm “snick.” 6th gear behind a torquey engine means 85mph cruising comes in under 3000 rpm. Winner – Harley. It’s better in every way. Suspension – Valkyrie – The 23 year old stock fork springs and shocks still do an amazing job of keeping me all day comfortable and make spirited canyon riding a pleasure. Easily adjustable shocks make changing from sporty solo riding to cushy two-up touring a breeze. The Valkyrie is a MASSIVE motorcycle. It is larger in every dimension than the Harley but it feels so much lighter and more nimble. Harley – BY FAR the worst suspension of any motorcycle that I have ever ridden and that includes my old hardtail chopper with the springer front end. The rear is wallowy while the front is way too firm. Not at all confidence inspiring in the twisties. Winner – Valkyrie. While the Harley can be upgraded to handle however I want, the Valkyrie was delivered from the factory with a suspension that still makes me smile 23 years later. Brakes: Valkyrie - Dual disc front brakes are great but the rear brake, while effective, lacks feel. Harley – Only a single disc up front but good feel from both brakes and they feel up to the task. I have not stopped hard enough to engage the ABS yet. Winner – Tie. Comfort: Valkyrie – With the riser extensions, cobra floorboards, Kuryakyan grips, windshield, highway pegs and Ultimate seat, plus many many years together, The Valkyrie is exactly as I wish it to be comfort-wise. Harley – The stock seat is surprisingly good. The bars, however, put me in a hunched over position that causes a cramp between my shoulder blades after about an hour. Grips are too skinny. Foot position with the forward mounted floorboards is excellent and the boards are long enough to be able to reposition my feet. No need for highway pegs. Winner – Valkyrie. While I would (and do every year) jump on the Valkyrie and ride across the country at a moment’s notice, a trip of 200 miles seems daunting on the Harley. This really isn’t a fair comparison though. Many of the comfort issues present on the Harley were also present on the Valk at one time. I have just owned the Valkyrie for so long that I have worked out the kinks. Overall: There is no real winner here. I like both bikes. Of course, the Mothership has a special place in my heart and will remain my go to bike for putting down long miles, the Harley is an amazing bike for sedately cruising up the coast or following a meandering backroad. I appreciate all motorcycles and I’m pleased to own both of these. Ride Safe, Alien
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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2020, 08:46:34 AM » |
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That's a great review. Thanks 
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It is a great review, which keeps me solidly in the Honda camp. Harleys marketing has always attracted me along with the beautiful paintwork and that distinctive sound but I could only see me ever owning a Harley if it was an old knucklehead that I could putt around home base.
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2020, 11:12:22 AM » |
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Really nice review! 
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I must be honest. It is a decent, honest review I'm sure. But, I've been riding 49 years now, and I've never had any desire. If I were to be honest about my motorcycling, I'm probably a personal snob. I've only owned "Jap bikes". I've ridden a few American and Euro bikes, but doubt I'll ever own one. I grew up in a racist environment. Most of my relatives were, when I grew up. The Japanese were not immune from this. I came along much after the Big War. But still they were looked down upon in my circles. I believe it was the motorcycles, and later the cars that did more than anything to break the cycle. Don't get me wrong. Having spent a few days in Japan, I would NEVER consider living there. I don't know about nowadays, but in '79 they were as feudal of a society as you could get. US sailors were welcome in only a small area. But for me, it will always be "Jap bikes". But I'd sure ride with you on your "Yankee bike" 
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2020, 12:09:57 PM » |
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Park both in front of a restaurant or bar and watch which one draws a crowd.
Winner 23 year old Valkyrie. Pretty much every time.
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2020, 12:39:04 PM » |
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I have owned many bikes different makes,models and manufacturers. I bought a 2010 street Glide new. The bike was great for a solo rider too small and cramped for 2 up and loaded with luggage. I owned the bike 2 yrs and put 27k on the clock. Spent more money in those 2 years on maintenance than I have to date on my Valkyrie. Sold it never looked back. I bought it basically because every single person I rode with rode them. I would show up to a PGR mission on my Valkyrie and someone in the crowd would make a comment about it being in the bunch and say hey who owns this? I would proudly say she is mine. Then after they looked at the miles on her not another word would be said  i told em to get that many out of their bike without turning a wrench they would all have a blank stare.
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2020, 01:01:28 PM » |
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nice comparison...... only thing you need to do is try emergency heavy braking stop on both from the same speed, and mark the distance to stop.... might not be a tie then (if you valk brakes are up to spec)
I have done a few training days (save on insurance and reg costs) and the Valk has pulled up way shorter than the Harleys in the group (mostly near new) and shorter than few other bikes too that I didn't expect to stop shorter than too
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I had an 09 ultra classic for almost 10yrs, bought a concours 14 to try a sport tourer, picked up another Valk over the summer because I missed my 03 bought new. Now contemplating a new fatboy because I like the 240 rear tire and tinkering the Harley still allows... bottom line to many bikes not enough garage space and to little time smh....
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2020, 05:07:10 PM » |
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it can sometimes cause a moment of “hunting” for the right switch (particularly the horn button).1
Honda swapped the position of the horn and turnsignal between the original Valkyrie and the 2014 Valkyrie. So I'm thinking "Dadgummit, I just want my left blinker not a sobriety test!" as I go through some turns blowing my loud horn at people.
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2020, 05:36:57 PM » |
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Fair comparison. But-ALWAYS a But-The Wind has Never No Not Once asked me what make machine I was on when I came out to play with her-the wind. She-The Wind-was just happy as I was to be there enjoying each other. And so thank you very much-BUT-I Will keep my soon to be 22 year old Phatt Ghurl and Be and Remain Happy!  RIDE SAFE.
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Good comparison Alien. And nice bike. I had a Harley before my Valk and enjoyed the wind with it too. The foot forward position really isn’t ideal for aggressive riding but it’s a pretty cool/unusual feeling when you do push them hard.
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2020, 07:19:20 PM » |
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To each their own but, IMHO comparing 23 year old switches with new bike of any kind doesn’t seem like a fair comparison. I would fully expect the results you got.
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2020, 08:23:06 PM » |
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To each their own but, IMHO comparing 23 year old switches with new bike of any kind doesn’t seem like a fair comparison. I would fully expect the results you got.
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I tried out a few used Dyna's and I agree the switches are better, self cancelling as well. There are some other parts that were more solid. The one thing that stood out in my mind was not one Dyna I rode, didn't have a problem. Everyone one of them had something not working. The other thing was the trans sounded nice but I rode two different bikes that I had a hard time finding neutral. Looked it up on the Harley forums and the 6 speeds are known for that issue. I rode 5 Dynas, all under 10,000 miles, lots of options. Can't believe how many people bought the cup holder? That's what stopped me. I thought the Dynas were over priced for what they were because everyone wanted me to pay for all the upgrades they bought. Hard Harley bags were $900 from the dealer. Etc. etc. so all these guys had $3,000-$4,000 worth of options and they thought they were still worth the same amount they paid. One guy had speakers on his bike that played rev noises, the noises climbed with the the engine rev's. I had to take off my helmet to figure that out. It was just kind of weird.
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2020, 08:27:28 PM » |
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Harley? selling a 1930s engine technology motorcycle for 2020 dollars.
the valkyrie is still in the top five of shortness 60-0 mph braking distance of all motorcycles. if u think a harley's brakes are as good, then there is something very wrong with your valkyries brakes.
harley bad suspension, that is correct and why so many harley's crash on curved roads.
valkyrie bad transmisson? again something is wrong with yours. use one of those shifter fix kits. I have and makes a smooth transmission even better. I've ridden 5-sp harley's what a nightmare of engineering, actually very little engineering, but the chrome and paint look nice.
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My best bud is a Harley guy since the mid 90's, I've ridden his Road Kings and thought they were cool bikes and lots of fun to ride, he now has a Road Glide and likes it. He was a member of one of the oldest clubs in the country for many years and Harleys are pretty well mandatory, he agrees they're not the best bikes around. Somehow I think the guys in 1% clubs have a secret jealousy of a Valkyrie.. I mean.. how could they not? 
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I must be honest. It is a decent, honest review I'm sure. But, I've been riding 49 years now, and I've never had any desire. If I were to be honest about my motorcycling, I'm probably a personal snob. I've only owned "Jap bikes". I've ridden a few American and Euro bikes, but doubt I'll ever own one. I grew up in a racist environment. Most of my relatives were, when I grew up. The Japanese were not immune from this. I came along much after the Big War. But still they were looked down upon in my circles. I believe it was the motorcycles, and later the cars that did more than anything to break the cycle. Don't get me wrong. Having spent a few days in Japan, I would NEVER consider living there. I don't know about nowadays, but in '79 they were as feudal of a society as you could get. US sailors were welcome in only a small area. But for me, it will always be "Jap bikes". But I'd sure ride with you on your "Yankee bike"  My take on Japanese is a bit different, my wife (pretty much) is 100% Japanese. Her family has been here since before WW2, during the war they were stripped of all they owned and put in miserable camps (as we know). Her father and uncles fought for the US Army in the European theater as an alternative to to being in the camps. Imagine that, people risking their lives for THEIR country, while their own families were incarcerated into what were essentially prison camps. Conditions there were miserable yet the spirit of the people was not broken, they made the best of it and thrived under conditions most people would have given up on. After the war they came back to San Diego and were taken in by their white neighbors and worked hard to get back on their feet. They just went to work, got busy, and thrived once again. You rarely hear Japanese people complain or whine about anything, they just strive to do their best. My wife was one of two Japanese students in her school, and yes, she was called Jap sometimes, she excelled in sports which gave her an easier time, she then went on to college at SD State and has a bachelors degree in Phys Ed. Her brother was a pro golfer who died too young, he and her sister both have a degree from Berkeley (before it went off the deep end). Her father had a landscape design and gardening business in town, one day he met a locksmith shop owner and asked him if it was a good business, the guy said it was great so her dad asked if he could teach him the trade. The guy said he could but could not pay him for it. Her dad worked for free as he learned, eventually buying the business from his teacher. Japanese society is one of the most advanced on the planet in my humble opinion. The care and pride they put into everything they do is unmatched on a societal level, again IMO. The respect they have for others, each other and the elder members of their society is just phenomenal. The same work ethic with an actual attached personal honor to what they do is what built our great motorcycles, and I appreciate it every time I'm flying down the road at 90-100 mph.
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« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2020, 05:36:26 AM » |
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You've all made a lot of valid points. It's not an either or thing for me though. I love motorcycles and I pretty much want them all. I was sold on the Valkyrie the first time I saw one and I still love it. So much so that it's the one bike that I'll always keep and the one that makes me smile every time I ride it. But I also want others. I still want to build another chopper and I still want an Interstate, an Africa Twin, a classic BSA, an ST 1300, a CB900.....the list goes on. The KLR was a good little bike but the deal on this particular used Harley was too good to pass up, so I pulled the trigger.
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I love how the Valkyrie can sit for weeks change the oil and do a 3000 mile round trip no need to worry you will probably break down before the Valkyrie will. But lets not forget an American taught the Japanese the manufacturing techniques they use to this day. He tried to offer it to the American car manufacturers but they said no were good don't need it. There highest business award is named after this American fact. Im with Alien my motorcycle list is infinite ride what pleases you.
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I owned six Harleys, one at a time, I put hundreds of thousands of miles on them touring across the US, Mexico and Central America, they spent a lot of time at the dealers for this and that. A friend bought a Goldwing, he let me ride it, I didn't like the way Wings looked, so I waited for the Interstate to come out. I bought a black 99 Interstate, I put a hundred thousand miles on it, the only reason I visited the dealer was for new tires. My Interstate was superior to the two Ultra Glides I owned.
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Not only have I only ridden Japanese bikes, I've only owned Hondas. FWIW.
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« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2020, 10:45:16 AM » |
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With this picture in mind (My Daddy on a springer) I got a springer around 1998.   I couldn't find a helmet at the Harley shop that I liked, so I rode it over to the Honda shop to look at theirs. In 1998 I probably had to climb over Valkyries to get to the helmets  ... perhaps things would have been different if I had had this picture on my mind when I went looking for motorcycles  ... probably not, because I was going to get a Harley like my father had...  -Mike
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I must be honest. It is a decent, honest review I'm sure. But, I've been riding 49 years now, and I've never had any desire. If I were to be honest about my motorcycling, I'm probably a personal snob. I've only owned "Jap bikes". I've ridden a few American and Euro bikes, but doubt I'll ever own one. I grew up in a racist environment. Most of my relatives were, when I grew up. The Japanese were not immune from this. I came along much after the Big War. But still they were looked down upon in my circles. I believe it was the motorcycles, and later the cars that did more than anything to break the cycle. Don't get me wrong. Having spent a few days in Japan, I would NEVER consider living there. I don't know about nowadays, but in '79 they were as feudal of a society as you could get. US sailors were welcome in only a small area. But for me, it will always be "Jap bikes". But I'd sure ride with you on your "Yankee bike"  My take on Japanese is a bit different, my wife (pretty much) is 100% Japanese. Her family has been here since before WW2, during the war they were stripped of all they owned and put in miserable camps (as we know). Her father and uncles fought for the US Army in the European theater as an alternative to to being in the camps. Imagine that, people risking their lives for THEIR country, while their own families were incarcerated into what were essentially prison camps. Conditions there were miserable yet the spirit of the people was not broken, they made the best of it and thrived under conditions most people would have given up on. After the war they came back to San Diego and were taken in by their white neighbors and worked hard to get back on their feet. They just went to work, got busy, and thrived once again. You rarely hear Japanese people complain or whine about anything, they just strive to do their best. My wife was one of two Japanese students in her school, and yes, she was called Jap sometimes, she excelled in sports which gave her an easier time, she then went on to college at SD State and has a bachelors degree in Phys Ed. Her brother was a pro golfer who died too young, he and her sister both have a degree from Berkeley (before it went off the deep end). Her father had a landscape design and gardening business in town, one day he met a locksmith shop owner and asked him if it was a good business, the guy said it was great so her dad asked if he could teach him the trade. The guy said he could but could not pay him for it. Her dad worked for free as he learned, eventually buying the business from his teacher. Japanese society is one of the most advanced on the planet in my humble opinion. The care and pride they put into everything they do is unmatched on a societal level, again IMO. The respect they have for others, each other and the elder members of their society is just phenomenal. The same work ethic with an actual attached personal honor to what they do is what built our great motorcycles, and I appreciate it every time I'm flying down the road at 90-100 mph. I hope you didn't mistake my opinion of the Japanese.
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I must be honest. It is a decent, honest review I'm sure. But, I've been riding 49 years now, and I've never had any desire. If I were to be honest about my motorcycling, I'm probably a personal snob. I've only owned "Jap bikes". I've ridden a few American and Euro bikes, but doubt I'll ever own one. I grew up in a racist environment. Most of my relatives were, when I grew up. The Japanese were not immune from this. I came along much after the Big War. But still they were looked down upon in my circles. I believe it was the motorcycles, and later the cars that did more than anything to break the cycle. Don't get me wrong. Having spent a few days in Japan, I would NEVER consider living there. I don't know about nowadays, but in '79 they were as feudal of a society as you could get. US sailors were welcome in only a small area. But for me, it will always be "Jap bikes". But I'd sure ride with you on your "Yankee bike"  My take on Japanese is a bit different, my wife (pretty much) is 100% Japanese. Her family has been here since before WW2, during the war they were stripped of all they owned and put in miserable camps (as we know). Her father and uncles fought for the US Army in the European theater as an alternative to to being in the camps. Imagine that, people risking their lives for THEIR country, while their own families were incarcerated into what were essentially prison camps. Conditions there were miserable yet the spirit of the people was not broken, they made the best of it and thrived under conditions most people would have given up on. After the war they came back to San Diego and were taken in by their white neighbors and worked hard to get back on their feet. They just went to work, got busy, and thrived once again. You rarely hear Japanese people complain or whine about anything, they just strive to do their best. My wife was one of two Japanese students in her school, and yes, she was called Jap sometimes, she excelled in sports which gave her an easier time, she then went on to college at SD State and has a bachelors degree in Phys Ed. Her brother was a pro golfer who died too young, he and her sister both have a degree from Berkeley (before it went off the deep end). Her father had a landscape design and gardening business in town, one day he met a locksmith shop owner and asked him if it was a good business, the guy said it was great so her dad asked if he could teach him the trade. The guy said he could but could not pay him for it. Her dad worked for free as he learned, eventually buying the business from his teacher. Japanese society is one of the most advanced on the planet in my humble opinion. The care and pride they put into everything they do is unmatched on a societal level, again IMO. The respect they have for others, each other and the elder members of their society is just phenomenal. The same work ethic with an actual attached personal honor to what they do is what built our great motorcycles, and I appreciate it every time I'm flying down the road at 90-100 mph. I hope you didn't mistake my opinion of the Japanese. No, wasn't taking it as negative at all meathead.. I just wanted to share my view of Japanese people and culture from my own perspective.
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With this picture in mind (My Daddy on a springer) I got a springer around 1998.   I couldn't find a helmet at the Harley shop that I liked, so I rode it over to the Honda shop to look at theirs. In 1998 I probably had to climb over Valkyries to get to the helmets  ... perhaps things would have been different if I had had this picture on my mind when I went looking for motorcycles  ... probably not, because I was going to get a Harley like my father had...  -Mike great pictures of your dad.
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good review but although not driven a vtwin HD, the engine has to be superior on the valk vs. HD. You state bad thing on Valk is MPG who cares IMO. Most get 35 avg mpg and that is good enough for me not many cars get over that on the hwy. And you say the HD vibrates at idle, who wants that? 
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good review but although not driven a vtwin HD, the engine has to be superior on the valk vs. HD. You state bad thing on Valk is MPG who cares IMO. Most get 35 avg mpg and that is good enough for me not many cars get over that on the hwy. And you say the HD vibrates at idle, who wants that?  First you RIDE a bike not DRIVE a bike. 2nd I do miss the 55mpg at any speed the street glide provided. But as you say who cares. I didn’t by chance he valk for mileage.
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« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2020, 07:24:34 AM » |
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good review but although not driven a vtwin HD, the engine has to be superior on the valk vs. HD. You state bad thing on Valk is MPG who cares IMO. Most get 35 avg mpg and that is good enough for me not many cars get over that on the hwy. And you say the HD vibrates at idle, who wants that?  First you RIDE a bike not DRIVE a bike. 2nd I do miss the 55mpg at any speed the street glide provided. But as you say who cares. I didn’t by chance he valk for mileage. Us midwesterners speak a different language as you southerners do, although I have NO idea what 'he valk' means, do you? Must be a southern thing? 
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