Eat your Eggs

[98valk]

The high egg diet had zero effect on serum lipids, glycemia (plasma glucose, glycated hemoglobin, 1,5 anhydroglucitol), markers of inflammation (c-reactive protein, interleukin 6, soluble E-selectin), oxidative stress, or adipokinectin levels. Both groups lost similar amounts of weight, too.

The researchers concluded, "Individuals with prediabetes or T2D who followed a high-egg diet for 12 months, which included a 3-month weight loss phase, had no adverse changes in cardiovascular risk factors, inflammatory or oxidative stress markers, or measures of glycemia. These findings suggest that it is safe for persons at high risks of T2D and those with T2D to include eggs, an acceptable and convenient food source, in their diet regularly."
What This Means To You

First, if it's okay for prediabetics or type 2 diabetics to eat a lot of eggs, it's almost certainly okay for you, a healthy person, to eat a lot of eggs.

Secondly, you may have noticed I didn't mention cholesterol intakes in my comments. It did increase in the high-egg group – by about 2.5 times, but cholesterol is fast becoming a non-issue. Clearly it didn't make a difference to the cardiovascular risk factors of diabetics, who are by definition more prone to cardiovascular effects.

The truth is that there's no evidence that reducing cholesterol prolongs life. Disturbingly, there's a consistent and confounding increase in deaths from other causes when you reduce cholesterol below 180 mg/dl. Yet every two years, experts from around the world meet and decide that the optimal cholesterol level is invariably lower than it was decided to be at the last meeting – without having any solid evidence to back it up.

https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/tip-the-truth-about-eating-lots-of-eggs?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=article7304

[semo97]

A year ago I had my physical at the VA 69 years old. 227 total cholesterol 160 LDL, 55 HDL, 70 trans.. BP is 108/64 most of the time. He asked about my diet, 4 eggs, oatmeal, whole milk plain yogurt for breakfast and 20oz whole milk each meal. I eat no non fat food at all. My wife makes our bread, cakes, pies and any other sweat stuff and  ice cream twice a day. We eat fish I catch, prime beef my sons raises, chicken and pork. All types of potato's, vegies we grow. I do not smoke, dip, drink booze or beer, and one soda pop maybe a month. I do physical work everyday walk 2 miles every morning and have three work out programs. I have been 6'1' 180/175 for 10 years. He told me I was looking at a stroke any time. I go what do you want me to do. 1 egg every other day, eat non fat yogurt, 1 or 2% milk, any food that can be non fat. Breakfast alone I cut 300+ daily cholesterol and the whole milk everyday and few other things another 100%. I had lab last week 227 total, 141 LDL, 53 HDL, trans 110. Cutting back did nothing for me. Another Doc told me it is sugar that raises cholesterol not animal fat. I would have been better off to keep eating what I was and just cut back to a half serving a day on my sweats and ice cream. Maybe I will try that for a year. Every body reacts different to diet,  who knows.  I'll give results this time next year, so stay tuned.

[98valk]

A year ago I had my physical at the VA 69 years old. 227 total cholesterol 160 LDL, 55 HDL, 70 trans.. BP is 108/64 most of the time. He asked about my diet, 4 eggs, oatmeal, whole milk plain yogurt for breakfast and 20oz whole milk each meal. I eat no non fat food at all. My wife makes our bread, cakes, pies and any other sweat stuff and  ice cream twice a day. We eat fish I catch, prime beef my sons raises, chicken and pork. All types of potato's, vegies we grow. I do not smoke, dip, drink booze or beer, and one soda pop maybe a month. I do physical work everyday walk 2 miles every morning and have three work out programs. I have been 6'1' 180/175 for 10 years. He told me I was looking at a stroke any time. I go what do you want me to do. 1 egg every other day, eat non fat yogurt, 1 or 2% milk, any food that can be non fat. Breakfast alone I cut 300+ daily cholesterol and the whole milk everyday and few other things another 100%. I had lab last week 227 total, 141 LDL, 53 HDL, trans 110. Cutting back did nothing for me. Another Doc told me it is sugar that raises cholesterol not animal fat. I would have been better off to keep eating what I was and just cut back to a half serving a day on my sweats and ice cream. Maybe I will try that for a year. Every body reacts different to diet,  who knows.  I'll give results this time next year, so stay tuned.

wheat products are the problem, see https://www.wheatbellyblog.com/blog/   which spikes insulin which scars/scratches arteries which results in excess cholesterol which the body uses as a scab when healing the damage. modern wheat is the problem. 
Cholest is now known to be the most powerful anti-oxidant in the body. body increases it as we age for many reasons. the brain is mainly cholest. there are studies showing the increase brain age related problems with the increase use of statin drugs which also damage the liver.
most docs today only know what the drug company pushers tell them. they keep lowering the cholest limit and BP limit which now a high % of healthy people cannot meet unless they take their drugs, etc.

[Jess from VA]

l don't go to doctors (much).  

They want to tell me how to live and what to do.

I didn't come here for lectures.

If you don't do what I say, why do you come here?

That's a very good question.

I just went to Costco yesterday, and bought 6 dozen eggs.  I would have bought less, but that was the smallest package they had.  Eggs it is.

I passed on the 40lbs of potatoes though.  They turn into a science experiment under the sink, before I can eat them.  

I like eggs more than potatoes.    

[semo97]

We sprout, dry and grind our wheat. When she needs to add flour she use the unbleached. It is very hard to make anything 100% whole wheat, even if they say it is it is not. My wife comes from a long line of home bakers and keeps up on all the healthy ways of using wheat flour.. She knows the fad crap that gets put out there and does not follow it.

[Patrick]

Its still hard for me to eat, eggs go down easy so I eat quite a few.  Plus I want the protein.

Reports I've read about cholesterol seem to show a coloration with autism and Alzheimers. It seems the brain needs fat to feed on. 

[Bret SD]

The high egg diet had zero effect on serum lipids, glycemia (plasma glucose, glycated hemoglobin, 1,5 anhydroglucitol), markers of inflammation (c-reactive protein, interleukin 6, soluble E-selectin), oxidative stress, or adipokinectin levels. Both groups lost similar amounts of weight, too.

The researchers concluded, "Individuals with prediabetes or T2D who followed a high-egg diet for 12 months, which included a 3-month weight loss phase, had no adverse changes in cardiovascular risk factors, inflammatory or oxidative stress markers, or measures of glycemia. These findings suggest that it is safe for persons at high risks of T2D and those with T2D to include eggs, an acceptable and convenient food source, in their diet regularly."
What This Means To You

First, if it's okay for prediabetics or type 2 diabetics to eat a lot of eggs, it's almost certainly okay for you, a healthy person, to eat a lot of eggs.

Secondly, you may have noticed I didn't mention cholesterol intakes in my comments. It did increase in the high-egg group – by about 2.5 times, but cholesterol is fast becoming a non-issue. Clearly it didn't make a difference to the cardiovascular risk factors of diabetics, who are by definition more prone to cardiovascular effects.

The truth is that there's no evidence that reducing cholesterol prolongs life. Disturbingly, there's a consistent and confounding increase in deaths from other causes when you reduce cholesterol below 180 mg/dl. Yet every two years, experts from around the world meet and decide that the optimal cholesterol level is invariably lower than it was decided to be at the last meeting – without having any solid evidence to back it up.

https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/tip-the-truth-about-eating-lots-of-eggs?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=article7304

98, You may find this an interesting read.. I do

file:///media/fuse/drivefs-40801d78a0f265b797fba962345b18bc/root/Dropbox/Bret%20Misc/MikeCiell_unified_theory.pdf

Hopefully the link works

edit:
I avoid PUFA's like the plague, inflammation is problem enough without them. Here's a good source on PUFA.
https://paleoleap.com/many-dangers-of-excess-pufa-consumption/

[98valk]

The high egg diet had zero effect on serum lipids, glycemia (plasma glucose, glycated hemoglobin, 1,5 anhydroglucitol), markers of inflammation (c-reactive protein, interleukin 6, soluble E-selectin), oxidative stress, or adipokinectin levels. Both groups lost similar amounts of weight, too.

The researchers concluded, "Individuals with prediabetes or T2D who followed a high-egg diet for 12 months, which included a 3-month weight loss phase, had no adverse changes in cardiovascular risk factors, inflammatory or oxidative stress markers, or measures of glycemia. These findings suggest that it is safe for persons at high risks of T2D and those with T2D to include eggs, an acceptable and convenient food source, in their diet regularly."
What This Means To You

First, if it's okay for prediabetics or type 2 diabetics to eat a lot of eggs, it's almost certainly okay for you, a healthy person, to eat a lot of eggs.

Secondly, you may have noticed I didn't mention cholesterol intakes in my comments. It did increase in the high-egg group – by about 2.5 times, but cholesterol is fast becoming a non-issue. Clearly it didn't make a difference to the cardiovascular risk factors of diabetics, who are by definition more prone to cardiovascular effects.

The truth is that there's no evidence that reducing cholesterol prolongs life. Disturbingly, there's a consistent and confounding increase in deaths from other causes when you reduce cholesterol below 180 mg/dl. Yet every two years, experts from around the world meet and decide that the optimal cholesterol level is invariably lower than it was decided to be at the last meeting – without having any solid evidence to back it up.

https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/tip-the-truth-about-eating-lots-of-eggs?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=article7304

98, You may find this an interesting read.. I do

file:///media/fuse/drivefs-40801d78a0f265b797fba962345b18bc/root/Dropbox/Bret%20Misc/MikeCiell_unified_theory.pdf

Hopefully the link works

edit:
I avoid PUFA's like the plague, inflammation is problem enough without them. Here's a good source on PUFA.
https://paleoleap.com/many-dangers-of-excess-pufa-consumption/

pdf link didn't work

been avoiding PUFA's for 30 yrs, yes I knew about them back then.
I got blasted on here a few yrs ago  when I posted how bad canola oil is. I laugh when I see so called healthy products in a health food store listing expeller pressed canola oil, which is even more poisonous than regular canola.  since canola is rapeseed oil which is poisonous erucic acid to humans. however using enough chemicals they strip out the poison part, but then it only has the chemical residues left in it which humans ingest. and yes with making it a GMO oil the erucic acid is much lower but still there.  https://livelovefruit.com/8-health-dangers-of-canola-oil/

some recent research shows that over consumption of olive oil can cause problems.

[rocketray]

well the eggs cholesterol depends on what the chicken eats!!! maybe a free range egg where the chicken eats bugs and grass instead of a steroid  laced meal to gitt'em  bigger and faster earlier...

[Patrick]

I've read several times that a 'free-range' chicken only needs has to be allowed access to 'free-range' for 15 minutes a day.

[Patrick]

Polyunsaturated fats are supposed to be bad for us while monounsaturated oils are supposed to be the good ones.
That'll probably change sometime though.


There seems to be some scams regarding olive oils.

[Bret SD]

This link should work:

https://www.ourhealthcoop.com/pdf/MikeCiell_unified_theory.pdf

[98valk]

This link should work:

https://www.ourhealthcoop.com/pdf/MikeCiell_unified_theory.pdf

thanks, here are some more.

https://www.drperlmutter.com/cholesterol-important-brain-health/

https://globalhealthmakeover.com/cholesterol-too-high-by-dr-mercola/

https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/know-your-fats/cholesterol-friend-or-foe/

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-cholesterol-myth-that_b_676817

https://www.westonaprice.org/book-reviews/cholesterol-is-not-the-culprit/

oils
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/know-your-fats/precious-yet-perilous/

[Bret SD]

This link should work:

https://www.ourhealthcoop.com/pdf/MikeCiell_unified_theory.pdf

thanks, here are some more.

https://www.drperlmutter.com/cholesterol-important-brain-health/

https://globalhealthmakeover.com/cholesterol-too-high-by-dr-mercola/

https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/know-your-fats/cholesterol-friend-or-foe/

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-cholesterol-myth-that_b_676817

https://www.westonaprice.org/book-reviews/cholesterol-is-not-the-culprit/

oils
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/know-your-fats/precious-yet-perilous/

Thank you for those, a few years ago my honey was told by her doc he wanted to put her on a Statin drug, I said NFW and we got her on a Vitamin C regimen.. her 'numbers' are fine now. It seems some physicians are now onboard with higher overall numbers provided lipid size is small.

There seems to be some debate in the medical community on it, which is welcome news.

[98valk]

This link should work:

https://www.ourhealthcoop.com/pdf/MikeCiell_unified_theory.pdf

thanks, here are some more.

https://www.drperlmutter.com/cholesterol-important-brain-health/

https://globalhealthmakeover.com/cholesterol-too-high-by-dr-mercola/

https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/know-your-fats/cholesterol-friend-or-foe/

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-cholesterol-myth-that_b_676817

https://www.westonaprice.org/book-reviews/cholesterol-is-not-the-culprit/

oils
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/know-your-fats/precious-yet-perilous/

Thank you for those, a few years ago my honey was told by her doc he wanted to put her on a Statin drug, I said NFW and we got her on a Vitamin C regimen.. her 'numbers' are fine now. It seems some physicians are now onboard with higher overall numbers provided lipid size is small.

There seems to be some debate in the medical community on it, which is welcome news.

the only debate is how can the drug cartels make money.

best type vitamin C to use also Glutathione is Liposomal, very important to research.
I use this brand
https://liponaturals.com/

look into the need to have collagen daily in our diet.  I use this brand
https://greatlakesgelatin.com/

back to cholesterol, as the PDF stated damage is done by grains.   much info here
https://www.wheatbellyblog.com/blog/

there are reports out there showing the increase sugar consumption and grains esp modern wheat which is a hybrid with a fast growing weed and the increase of all types of increases in human sickness esp lung problems which happens from the damage done to the intestines by the wheat.
wasn't it nice the FDA which is in the pocket of the drug cartels gave us the new food pyramid to eat much grains.

also research Choline, which turns out we need a good amount of it for brain health.
isn't it nice foods high in it like eggs the drug cartels and medical industry tell us not to eat.
Our bodies are able to make a small amount of choline on their own, but the rest we must obtain from food sources.

What is choline found in? Choline can be found naturally in foods including eggs, liver, beef, salmon, cauliflower, Brussel sprouts and breast milk. In fact, eggs are sometimes called “brain food” because they are known for supplying high amounts of choline.
https://draxe.com/nutrition/what-is-choline/

[oldsmokey]

Less bread and beer, more bacon and eggs.
Real food.
Cholesterol will do what it needs to do.

[Patrick]

Statins ?    I was also told I needed to be on them. I said nope. Told the doc when I come back in 6 months my cholesterol would be down. When I returned numbers were down 50 points and the diverticulitis was gone. He asked what I did. Oat meal [ which I hate] every day.

[98valk]

https://discover.grasslandbeef.com/blog/new-proof-debunks-cholesterol-myth/?utm_source=Bluecore&utm_campaign=Newsletter_20201227&utm_medium=email&obem=CwOjNw_KkrAzSgTvC4pdNkUs5TmQN0xKkRhr0R8_Lg0%3D&bc_lcid=t4767979442503680lw5721360378068992li0

I’ve (Dr Al Sears MD) been warning my patients and readers about Big Pharma’s $23 billion-a-year statin scam for years. (1 references bottom of link)

Now a new study confirms once and for all that the cholesterol-heart disease myth behind these drugs is flat out wrong. According to a massive review, just published in BMJ Evidence-Based Medicine, lowering your so-called “bad” LDL cholesterol will NOT reduce your risk of hEart attack or stroke.2

Despite what you may have been told by your cardiologist, there is no such thing as “good” or “bad” cholesterol. You need both types to keep your body healthy. Taking statins is not only a colossal waste of money, it’s also dangerous.

The true culprit behind heart disease is inflammation (read about this 30 yrs ago little tiny article in USA Today, underlying cause of ALL sickness, disease, cancer, heart disease is inflammation) – largely caused by our modern dietary imbalance in pro-inflammatory omega-6 fatty acids and omega-3s, their anti-inflammatory cousins.

Just like the statins scam, this imbAlance is driven by the same false idea – pushed for 70 years by the American Heart Association (AHA) – that animal fats raise cholesterol and lead to heart disease.

This has been the biggest dietary disaster of the 20th and 21st centuries. And it’s no surprise that heart disease has remained the #1 diagnosed disease in America and the #1 cause of death.

You see, for most of the time humans have been on Earth, we ate foods that had omega-6s and omega-3s in the ratio of about 2:1 – or sometimes even 1:1.

But in our modern world, thanks to the bad advice of the AHA, the animal fats of our parents’ and grandparents’ geneRations have been replaced with cheap grains and vegetable oils. And now our omega-6/omega-3 ratio has been skewed to as much as 20:1.

Sure, this has lowered LDL cholesterol levels. But research now confirms that the more LDL is lowered, the greater the risk of heart attacks and strokes. (there is some other recent info that LDL has a lot to do with keeping the immune system at full force)

The recent Minnesota Coronary Experiment found that replacing saTurated fat with vegetable oil increased mortality and cardiovascular events, even as total cholesterol was lowered by 13.8%.3

The researchers also discovered that for each 30 mg/dL reduction in serum cholesterol, the death risk surged by 22%.

I work with my patients to get them off statins. And I help them to rebalance their omega-6/omega-3 ratio by reducing or eliminating the use of corn oil, canola oil, soy oil and margarine. Instead, you should cook with high-quality extra virgin olive oil, coconut or avocado oil, or full fat organic butter from grass-fed cows.

Processed and prepackaged foods almost always contain one of the omega-6 vegetable oils, so avoid them as much as possible. Great sources of omega-3s are grass-fed red meat; wild, cold-water fish like salmon, pollock, tuna, lake trout and herring; and avocado, walnuts, olives, and olive oil.

I also recommend omega-3 supplements – especially docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), which studies prove is a potent defender from Heart disease.4

DHA eliminates the need for statins. It’s also one of the best ways to treat poor circulation and stabilize blood pressure.

[Davemn]

Note to self: Don’t listen to my doctor. Only take medical advice from old motorcycle guys. Got it.

[Bret SD]

Note to self: Don’t listen to my doctor. Only take medical advice from old motorcycle guys. Got it.

No, take all the meds your doctor suggests (and then some), maybe you can write the name of a few more drugs from TV commercials and 'talk to your doctor' about them. 'Be sure to tell your doctor about ALL the medications you're taking'.

The more pharmaceuticals you take, the better off you are, you too can be pushing your grandkids on a swing in a nice sunny park and enjoying the birds as they chirp a song delighting in your bountiful health.