This is Antifa in disguise ?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Shameful, just plain shameful. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/names-of-rioters-capitol.html

[Bret SD]

Ignoring the fact that antifa was there and participated does not mean they weren't..

There were many Bad actors involved, and many of those were antifa..

Breaking into the Capitol Buildings wasn't right, no matter who the perpetrators were. Singular blame focusing and gaslighting is the job of the MSM, now I see you have taken up the mantle here.

Personally I condemn all of the participants, without regard to their political affiliation.

[Rams]

I whole heartedly agree that it's a shameful situation.

Maybe we should ask why so many felt the need to let the "leadership" of this nation be aware of their frustration.  I personally don't believe it's all only connected to the results of this election.   I think it goes much deeper than that.   

I sincerely hope the new administration considers what led those protestors to go where none have gone before.   Yeah, there were extremist in the crowd raising hell and getting folks all riled up but, I believe there's much more and I hope those on both sides of the aisle think about it.   This wasn't just a failure of security.   I also don't believe it's over.   74 million voices will eventually be heard.   Decisions have consequences.   Joe, Chuck, Nancy and Mitch need to take notice.

Rams

[The emperor has no clothes]

I whole heartedly agree that it's a shameful situation.

Maybe we should ask why so many felt the need to let the "leadership" of this nation be aware of their frustration.  I personally don't believe it's all only connected to the results of this election.   I think it goes much deeper than that.  

I sincerely hope the new administration considers what led those protestors to go where none have gone before.   Yeah, there were extremist in the crowd raising hell and getting folks all riled up but, I believe there's much more and I hope those on both sides of the aisle think about it.   This wasn't just a failure of security.   I also don't believe it's over.   74 million voices will eventually be heard.   Decisions have consequences.   Joe, Chuck, Nancy and Mitch need to take notice.

Rams

I agree with most of what you say. This isn't something that just started with this election. It does go much deeper. 1) I wouldn't call ANY of them that crossed the barriers protesters. At that point, in my opinion they were rioters. As much as I disagree with my friend Evan about politics, I'm glad and proud that he was able and willing to express his protest. Overtaking the Capitol Building, bringing in pipes, bats, pepper spray, shields, helmets, etc. to inflict the injury and killing they did is un-American and disgusting.

[Chrisj CMA]

Shameful, just plain shameful. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/names-of-rioters-capitol.html

Yes it’s very shameful that the socialist wannabes staged this pathetic insurrection. People deserve to go to prison for orchestrating this stunt, and it’s not Trump nor his supporters. It’s the same people that fund and support ANTIFA and BLM. Because YES that’s who is responsible for the chaos and that’s all it was chaos to fuel one last attempt at a Trump hit job.

[Skinhead]

Please explain, what killing did they do?

[Bret SD]

Please explain, what killing did they do?

The cop. The lady.

More fake news.. this is what happens when you rely on the MSM for your news.

[Rams]

I whole heartedly agree that it's a shameful situation.

Maybe we should ask why so many felt the need to let the "leadership" of this nation be aware of their frustration.  I personally don't believe it's all only connected to the results of this election.   I think it goes much deeper than that.  

I sincerely hope the new administration considers what led those protestors to go where none have gone before.   Yeah, there were extremist in the crowd raising hell and getting folks all riled up but, I believe there's much more and I hope those on both sides of the aisle think about it.   This wasn't just a failure of security.   I also don't believe it's over.   74 million voices will eventually be heard.   Decisions have consequences.   Joe, Chuck, Nancy and Mitch need to take notice.

Rams

I agree with most of what you say. This isn't something that just started with this election. It does go much deeper. 1) I wouldn't call ANY of them that crossed the barriers protesters. At that point, in my opinion they were rioters. As much as I disagree with my friend Evan about politics, I'm glad and proud that he was able and willing to express his protest. Overtaking the Capitol Building, bringing in pipes, bats, pepper spray, shields, helmets, etc. to inflict the injury and killing they did is un-American and disgusting.

I wouldn't argue that there weren't rioters present, there obviously were.
How about this, we treat them precisely the same way the "Protestors and Rioters" were dealt with legally in Portland?   The vast majority won't be charged and the prosecutors will refuse to prosecute those that were charged.

There ya go, equal treatment under the law.   Everyone should be happy now, right?

Rams

[Valkorado]

I whole heartedly agree that it's a shameful situation.

Maybe we should ask why so many felt the need to let the "leadership" of this nation be aware of their frustration.  I personally don't believe it's all only connected to the results of this election.   I think it goes much deeper than that.  

I sincerely hope the new administration considers what led those protestors to go where none have gone before.   Yeah, there were extremist in the crowd raising hell and getting folks all riled up but, I believe there's much more and I hope those on both sides of the aisle think about it.   This wasn't just a failure of security.   I also don't believe it's over.   74 million voices will eventually be heard.   Decisions have consequences.   Joe, Chuck, Nancy and Mitch need to take notice.

Rams

I agree with most of what you say. This isn't something that just started with this election. It does go much deeper. 1) I wouldn't call ANY of them that crossed the barriers protesters. At that point, in my opinion they were rioters. As much as I disagree with my friend Evan about politics, I'm glad and proud that he was able and willing to express his protest. Overtaking the Capitol Building, bringing in pipes, bats, pepper spray, shields, helmets, etc. to inflict the injury and killing they did is un-American and disgusting.

I wouldn't argue that there weren't rioters present, there obviously were.
How about this, we treat them precisely the same way the "Protestors and Rioters" were dealt with legally in Portland?   The vast majority won't be charged and the prosecutors will refuse to prosecute those that were charged.

There ya go, equal treatment under the law.   Everyone should be happy now, right?

Rams

I'm sure Kamala will request that their bail fees are waived any second now...

Any.  Second.  Now...

Kamala?

[Willow]

Shameful, just plain shameful. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/names-of-rioters-capitol.html

New York Times?  Really?

A couple of points.  The one egging them on with "Hold the Line" has already been proven to have participated in a riot elsewhere on Antifa's side.

Second point - a few hundred rioters out of multiple hundreds of thousands protesting.  The NYT reported thusly?

As to your respect for Oss, he was there.  His eyewitness means more to me than the biased reporting of any MSM.

Your friend, baldo, and I assume you by association, used to brag that he never started a politically divisive thread.  I guess things have changed.

[Willow]

... But there is no way anybody could witness everything with such a huge crowd.

LOL!  Does that include a NYT reporter?   

[Bret SD]

Hypocrisy on parade..

[Willow]

... But there is no way anybody could witness everything with such a huge crowd.

LOL!  Does that include a NYT reporter?   

I know you are smart enough to understand the concept of journalism.

I believe you're smart enough to choose to know what "journalism" is doing.

You also know that it's close but I'm smarter than you are.     You do, though, continue to insist you can understand things that I don't.   

[Willow]

it ain't close. You are brilliant ! I'm a mere uneducated peasant in your shadow.

You're too kind.     I must be the uneducated one.  I dropped out of high school.

Let's you and I not further hijack (redirect) this thread, but thank you.

[Bret SD]

... But there is no way anybody could witness everything with such a huge crowd.

LOL!  Does that include a NYT reporter?   

I know you are smart enough to understand the concept of journalism.

I believe you're smart enough to choose to know what "journalism" is doing.

You also know that it's close but I'm smarter than you are.     You do, though, continue to insist you can understand things that I don't.   

it ain't close. You are brilliant ! I'm a mere uneducated peasant in your shadow.

Kiss ass    (humor, not malice)

[Skinhead]

"Overtaking the Capitol Building, bringing in pipes, bats, pepper spray, shields, helmets, etc. to inflict the injury and killing they did is un-American and disgusting."

When I read the above, it implies that the "peaceful protesters" did the killing when in fact it was the secret service or Capitol police.

"it ain't close. You are brilliant ! I'm a mere uneducated peasant in your shadow."

Who can argue with that?

[f6gal]

A small percentage of the attendees were involved in breaching the Capitol.  Those who did, need to be prosecuted.  Hopefully, that will include the far left provocateurs.  Photos and videos should make it easy to identify and arrest the guilty parties.  

I don't buy in to conspiracy theories; I judge by evidence.  It is not a conspiracy theory that far left antagonists were there.  One was even interviewed by that sanctimonious, elitist Anderson Cooper.  Why didn't Cooper ask the criminal puke why he was there?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1347147785926103043

Utah, July 10, 2020:

[Robert]

I was so thankful, to so many patriots that went while I could not go and show congress that the people are there and know what they are doing. Thank you to OSS for going and the report, every American should have been there if they could.

  I was very impressed that there was not more damage and did not find it disgraceful in the least to let them know they are within reach of the people.

 I was frankly surprised that there was not more damage and then thought oh yea it was not Antifa. At least it was not them in force and showing their true colors. What a bunch of wimps they are to not show their true faces and hide and do damage. But of course that was the plan.

I wonder how many were there, it was huge.

So spin your wheels meat do your remarks but they made me proud to be an American. If you support the mayhem destruction of property, deaths, wounds, lost wages, lost businesses then you have nothing to say of value.

One day this may only be dry run for upholding the Constitution. Words are ok action speak louder than words. Again thank you to all the patriots that went, I am proud of my fellow Americans today.

WE lived up to our names DEPLORABLE and I am dam proud of it and if anyone thinks differently then I consider them part of the problem of this country.

It was strangely beautiful to see a normal everyday guy holding a rebel flag standing in the halls. Hand in pocket and the halls all painted perfectly, the piece of furniture there looking like it was brand new, and the picture on the wall. I was like that is America that is what it is supposed to be about, not the  ones that are in there now with a 14 percent approval rating, most raking the people over the coals of failed coupe attempts and impeachments. The simplicity of the man in the den of thieves and base of power was almost overwhelming.

[scooperhsd]

it ain't close. You are brilliant ! I'm a mere uneducated peasant in your shadow.

You're too kind.     I must be the uneducated one.  I dropped out of high school.

Let's you and I not further hijack (redirect) this thread, but thank you.

Completion of a certain level of education only indicates that you had the enough brains and determination to do it. It is NOT a good measure of how smart someone is. I know a Phd who had problems getting a job (for other reasons), and I would have never known that Willow hadn't completed High School - he comes off well in print.

[Leathel]

I am sure there are some rent a crowd there (you know the ones that turn up to every protest to get there face on TV) but there are plenty of legit protesters that went to far...... Trump and his crew whipped up the crowd to a frenzy then sent them down the road

 And now there are republicans saying trump was telling lies.....why did thy not stand up before to defuse the tension

Plenty of interviews like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kim_E3z-fk

[f6gal]

EVERY STINKING ONE OF THEM SHOULD BE ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH SEDITION.

Agreed.

[Robert]

Hey did you see the Q shirt also? HUH, HUH boy those Antifa are right in style. 

[Bret SD]

I am sure there are some rent a crowd there (you know the ones that turn up to every protest to get there face on TV) but there are plenty of legit protesters that went to far...... Trump and his crew whipped up the crowd to a frenzy then sent them down the road

 And now there are republicans saying trump was telling lies.....why did thy not stand up before to defuse the tension

Plenty of interviews like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kim_E3z-fk

I don't think anybody needed to be whipped up, people were there because their own votes were disenfranchised. I should know because my vote was disenfranchised, and I take that very personally.
You live in New Zealand, not exactly a Bastion of freedom.. So think carefully before you throw stones at us Trump supporters, we are not the problem.

[baldo]

Your friend, baldo, and I assume you by association, used to brag that he never started a politically divisive thread.  I guess things have changed.

I've never said I never started one. I've said that I avoid starting one, just so I don't have to listen to the bullshit.

[f6gal]

There probably were people who were not associated Trump supporters. Wackos seem to gravitate towards this sort of thing. Maybe there were even foreign agents mingled in. And MAYBE there were some Antifa disguised as Trump supporters. EVERY STINKING ONE OF THEM SHOULD BE ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH SEDITION.

Oh, and BTW, there were organized plans to infiltrate the rally and how to recognize others from their groups.  Below is but one example.  So far the media is not naming the extreme left antagonists... well, except for POS Anderson Cooper who treated John Sullivan like some kind of hero.  

[Chrisj CMA]

Let me be perfectly clear. I took the oath to defend the constitution as well. The primary purpose of the document is to preserve freedom as defined by the founders. It’s brilliant and it’s worth defending!  The right to demonstrate and exercise ones first amendment right are essential. I applaud all the patriots that peacefully assembled in Washington to denounce the stolen election. I also condemn all who breeched the capital building no matter who they were.  

[Robert]

Luk 16:10  "If you are faithful in little things, you will be faithful in large ones. But if you are dishonest in little things, you won't be honest with greater responsibilities.

Mat 7:4  How can you think of saying to your friend, 'Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,' when you can't see past the log in your own eye?

[Farside]

Luk 16:10  "If you are faithful in little things, you will be faithful in large ones. But if you are dishonest in little things, you won't be honest with greater responsibilities.

Mat 7:4  How can you think of saying to your friend, 'Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,' when you can't see past the log in your own eye?

Let me be perfectly clear. I took the oath to defend the constitution as well. The primary purpose of the document is to preserve freedom as defined by the founders. It’s brilliant and it’s worth defending!  The right to demonstrate and exercise ones first amendment right are essential. I applaud all the patriots that peacefully assembled in Washington to denounce the stolen election. I also condemn all who breeches the capital building no matter who they were. 

Yep, concur. 

[Moonshot_1]

Does anyone really know what transpired at the Capitol on Wed?

I saw a million + Patriots in our Nation's Capitol protesting a very questionable election.
I saw video of Capitol Police opening gates to the public.
I saw video of people taking selfies with Capital Police IN the Capitol.

As if these folks were lured into an ambush, steered toward a confrontation.

Have we seen the "after battle" footage of the wanton destruction of the Capitol?

Actually a pretty lame excuse for a riot.

After 5 years of intense media deception and decades of constant bias and deception, I don't believe a damn thing coming from our media.

Or our Politicians. Republican or Democrat. Well, we can trust the Democrats to be idiots. We just can't trust Republicans at all.

I hear it all the time, that we think Trump can do no wrong and we blindly believe in him.

If you think that then you have it completely backward.

It isn't that we believe in him.

It is that he has pursued and advocated policies of changing government that we've been supporting and believing in long before he arrived.

So you Political Establishment supporters go have your fun and ride your unicorns over the rainbows and sing Kum by ya together around the carbon free electric fire pit.

You're gonna want Trump back in a couple years. Bigly.

[Rams]

For those who are proud of the rioters committing sedition against our country, you should be ashamed. For those that make excuses for them, you should be ashamed.

For those of us who have taken an oath to protect the Constitution, please think hard about where your loyalties lie. It should be to the Constitution. These people should be denounced. It is heartbreaking that we have them here in this club.

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

The oath is for an indeterminate period; no duration is specifically defined.

Never doubt my commitment to the Constitution.    There are some in leadership positions that I consider a domestic threat to our way of life and to the Constitution.   I don't agree with breaching the Capitol Building and I wasn't there but, I can understand the protestors frustrations.   As I've said previously, this goes much deeper than just an questionable election.

To try and impeach President Trump a second time is only driving the wedge deeper within this country.   My understanding is that there are some militia groups planning on "visiting" Washington DC on 20 Jan.   Yeah, let's just add fuel to the fire.

Don't say you weren't warned.

Rams

[Moonshot_1]

For those who are proud of the rioters committing sedition against our country, you should be ashamed. For those that make excuses for them, you should be ashamed.

For those of us who have taken an oath to protect the Constitution, please think hard about where your loyalties lie. It should be to the Constitution. These people should be denounced. It is heartbreaking that we have them here in this club.

The British probably said similar things about the tea in the harbor.

[Rams]

Your friend, baldo, and I assume you by association, used to brag that he never started a politically divisive thread.  I guess things have changed.

I've never said I never started one. I've said that I avoid starting one, just so I don't have to listen to the bullshit.

Just for clarification, when did this start?

Rams

[99ISrdr]

Does anyone really know what transpired at the Capitol on Wed?

I saw a million + Patriots in our Nation's Capitol protesting a very questionable election.
I saw video of Capitol Police opening gates to the public.
I saw video of people taking selfies with Capital Police IN the Capitol.

As if these folks were lured into an ambush, steered toward a confrontation.

Have we seen the "after battle" footage of the wanton destruction of the Capitol?

Actually a pretty lame excuse for a riot.

After 5 years of intense media deception and decades of constant bias and deception, I don't believe a damn thing coming from our media.

Or our Politicians. Republican or Democrat. Well, we can trust the Democrats to be idiots. We just can't trust Republicans at all.

I hear it all the time, that we think Trump can do no wrong and we blindly believe in him.

If you think that then you have it completely backward.

It isn't that we believe in him.

It is that he has pursued and advocated policies of changing government that we've been supporting and believing in long before he arrived.

So you Political Establishment supporters go have your fun and ride your unicorns over the rainbows and sing Kum by ya together around the carbon free electric fire pit.

You're gonna want Trump back in a couple years. Bigly.

"Actually a pretty lame excuse for a riot."

I have to respectfully strongly disagree. Anytime people break windows, invade our US Capitol(whoever they are), storm police inside our US Capitol(all on video), and kill a policeman in our US Capitol, I would think this would be considered a severe riot and very disturbing. It sure is to this American.

[Bret SD]

For those who are proud of the rioters committing sedition against our country, you should be ashamed. For those that make excuses for them, you should be ashamed.

For those of us who have taken an oath to protect the Constitution, please think hard about where your loyalties lie. It should be to the Constitution. These people should be denounced. It is heartbreaking that we have them here in this club.

explain

[Skinhead]

"Overtaking the Capitol Building, bringing in pipes, bats, pepper spray, shields, helmets, etc. to inflict the injury and killing they did is un-American and disgusting."

When I read the above, it implies that the "peaceful protesters" did the killing when in fact it was the secret service or Capitol police.

"it ain't close. You are brilliant ! I'm a mere uneducated peasant in your shadow."

Who can argue with that?

Maybe I'm not understanding you. You believe the cop was killed by his fellow officers ?

I'm sorry this wasn't clear.  I was unaware when I posted that a cop had died.  It is my understanding that he died of a heart attack after the protest.  The reason I responded in the first place, was that it sounds like you feel the protesters are responsible for killing the victims.  At the time, The only killing I was aware of was the veteran killed by the SS or the capital police.  I haven't heard who was ultimately responsible for the shooting.  I hope that clears things up.

BTW, my own said nothing about defending enemies of the constitution (some of those in Congress).

[Skinhead]

"Overtaking the Capitol Building, bringing in pipes, bats, pepper spray, shields, helmets, etc. to inflict the injury and killing they did is un-American and disgusting."

When I read the above, it implies that the "peaceful protesters" did the killing when in fact it was the secret service or Capitol police.

"it ain't close. You are brilliant ! I'm a mere uneducated peasant in your shadow."

Who can argue with that?

Maybe I'm not understanding you. You believe the cop was killed by his fellow officers ?

I'm sorry this wasn't clear.  I was unaware when I posted that a cop had died.  It is my understanding that he died of a heart attack after the protest.  The reason I responded in the first place, was that it sounds like you feel the protesters are responsible for killing the victims.  At the time, The only killing I was aware of was the veteran killed by the SS or the capital police.  I haven't heard who was ultimately responsible for the shooting.  I hope that clears things up.

I understand. Getting accurate info in this chaotic circumstance is difficult. I heard the cop was hit upside the head with a fire extinguisher, and died from a brain hemorrhage.

It's a shame anyone died.  I would have applauded pelosi being hauled off to prison though.

[Rams]

"Overtaking the Capitol Building, bringing in pipes, bats, pepper spray, shields, helmets, etc. to inflict the injury and killing they did is un-American and disgusting."

When I read the above, it implies that the "peaceful protesters" did the killing when in fact it was the secret service or Capitol police.

"it ain't close. You are brilliant ! I'm a mere uneducated peasant in your shadow."

Who can argue with that?

Maybe I'm not understanding you. You believe the cop was killed by his fellow officers ?

I'm sorry this wasn't clear.  I was unaware when I posted that a cop had died.  It is my understanding that he died of a heart attack after the protest.  The reason I responded in the first place, was that it sounds like you feel the protesters are responsible for killing the victims.  At the time, The only killing I was aware of was the veteran killed by the SS or the capital police.  I haven't heard who was ultimately responsible for the shooting.  I hope that clears things up.

I understand. Getting accurate info in this chaotic circumstance is difficult. I heard the cop was hit upside the head with a fire extinguisher, and died from a brain hemorrhage.

It's a shame anyone died.  I would have applauded pelosi being hauled off to prison though.

For some unknown reason, I wish I could be on the jury for that trial.......... 

Rams

[Moonshot_1]

Does anyone really know what transpired at the Capitol on Wed?

I saw a million + Patriots in our Nation's Capitol protesting a very questionable election.
I saw video of Capitol Police opening gates to the public.
I saw video of people taking selfies with Capital Police IN the Capitol.

As if these folks were lured into an ambush, steered toward a confrontation.

Have we seen the "after battle" footage of the wanton destruction of the Capitol?

Actually a pretty lame excuse for a riot.

After 5 years of intense media deception and decades of constant bias and deception, I don't believe a damn thing coming from our media.

Or our Politicians. Republican or Democrat. Well, we can trust the Democrats to be idiots. We just can't trust Republicans at all.

I hear it all the time, that we think Trump can do no wrong and we blindly believe in him.

If you think that then you have it completely backward.

It isn't that we believe in him.

It is that he has pursued and advocated policies of changing government that we've been supporting and believing in long before he arrived.

So you Political Establishment supporters go have your fun and ride your unicorns over the rainbows and sing Kum by ya together around the carbon free electric fire pit.

You're gonna want Trump back in a couple years. Bigly.

"Actually a pretty lame excuse for a riot."

I have to respectfully strongly disagree. Anytime people break windows, invade our US Capitol(whoever they are), storm police inside our US Capitol(all on video), and kill a policeman in our US Capitol, I would think this would be considered a severe riot and very disturbing. It sure is to this American.

The narrative is a million Trump supporters rioted at the Capitol. If this were the case the Capitol and city would be a smoldering ruin. Such is not the case.  There are many videos out there. Many that raise some pointed questions as to what really went on.

[3fan4life]

For those who are proud of the rioters committing sedition against our country, you should be ashamed. For those that make excuses for them, you should be ashamed.

For those of us who have taken an oath to protect the Constitution, please think hard about where your loyalties lie. It should be to the Constitution. These people should be denounced. It is heartbreaking that we have them here in this club.

I'll be cursed if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black!

You had no problem with rioters and looters burning down American cities, raping and killing people in the streets.

And this is where you draw your line in the sand?


Apparently, Hypocrisy has no limits among the "enlightened".


And as far as you honoring your oath to the constitution, That Ship Sailed a long time ago! 

[Jess from VA]

I fully support and defend (and am mighty proud of) all conservatives (not antifa, et al) who went to the Capitol to protest widespread election fraud, and the real possibility that the national election was actually flipped by concerted multistate fraudulent efforts.  We know there was fraud, just not how much.  No sufficient investigation has or will be conducted, so we will remain forever unconvinced the election was not stolen.  Everyone wants proof of the fraud, and I agree.  All those who believe there was no fraud should prove to us there wasn't.  It goes both ways here.  

I fully support all those who went inside the capital too, as long as they did no more damage or vandalism than was necessary to get inside (and hurt no one); essentially a trespass.  I do not normally ever support any unlawful activity, but I will support it in protecting our fundamental freedoms and liberties and that includes full and fair elections.  This country was founded on unlawful behavior (shooting redcoats, among other things).  

Our ruling political class is now on fair notice that we expect and demand them to ensure and protect all our liberties and freedoms, and completely fair elections going forward (especially since this is their principle reason for existing at all).  If they don't, we can do it again for them.... harder.

This time it was as polite as it could be under the circumstances.  This time it was a quarter million, next time it could be 5 million. 

We lost one patriot, and they lost one policeman (though he walked back to his workplace and later collapsed, and they are not disclosing anything about his cause of death at all, other than a conclusory statement that it was duty related).