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Question: Could you cover an unexpected expense of $1,000
Sure - 29 (80.6%)
Yes, but not without hardship - 6 (16.7%)
Not at the moment - 1 (2.8%)
Never - 0 (0%)
I've never had an extra $1,000 - 0 (0%)
Total Voters: 36

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« on: January 11, 2021, 01:17:10 PM »

That less than 4 in 10 Americans have enough money to cover a $1,000 unexpected expense.

That seems like a very high # to me.

So, I'm curious:

Could you cover an unexpected expense of $1,000?


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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2021, 01:21:30 PM »

Yes but that was not always the case! And I see tons of people everyday that don’t appear to have an extra $100.00. I realize some of those people could have enough money to burn a wet mule, but not many.
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2021, 01:41:32 PM »

Mark, this is an older and pretty responsible crowd, so I would posit our poll results wouldn't be exactly representative of..... everyone.

I had several of those myself this year, and helped out a couple of family members to that figure also.  And just wrote my mom a check today (though she said she didn't need it, she needs it more than me).  We all hope to live long lives, but she's lived long enough to outrun the annuity table on dad's 401K payouts.

But retired on small pension and SS, I live as a pretty cheap hermit.  That's why I can help them.

That source is not a beacon of integrity, but it might still be true (I dunno).
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2021, 01:50:11 PM »


I had several of those myself this year, and helped out several family members to that figure also.  And just wrote my mom a check today (though she said she didn't need it, she needs it more than me).  

But retired on small pension and SS, I live as a pretty cheap hermit.  That's why I can help them.
 

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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2021, 02:02:09 PM »

Yes and considerably more than that.  But I'm old and have learned from hand-to-mouth in my youth and beyond.  Also as self employed I HAVE to have a good cushion just to operate the business w/o getting derailed by insufficient working capital or costly loans.  I pile the money back into the business; I don't operate using loans.  Not to mention retirement / emergency savings - when you're old, a more-likely medical situation can wipe you out.  In my youth, after the military as a young family father I had to focus on living expenses - didn't even maintain medical insurance.  That shocked my grandmother when my folks told her about my priorities.
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2021, 02:07:37 PM »

Just wanted to make sure you knew I'm available for adoption.

It's hard to see you sitting on my knee.

Ahhh.... nope not happenin'.  Grin

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2021, 02:14:35 PM »

not to hijack your post, yet here is other even worst info

https://www.fool.com/retirement/2019/04/08/half-of-adults-over-age-55-have-nothing-saved-for.aspx

https://money.com/retirement-savings-survey/
1 in 3 Americans Has Saved $0 for Retirement
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2021, 02:20:06 PM »

Good poll!
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1K is fine in this days, but I recall the days when I was a broken university student and sometimes didn't even know if I would have money to afford dinner... or breakfast the following day.
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2021, 04:03:12 PM »



Are we trying to figure out who's buying the rounds at Inzane?

Pretty sneaky.
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2021, 04:17:11 PM »

Well Cuomo shut me down by 80% but yeah as long as I can find another buried mason jar should be able to handle it   Wink

And he just put on another 60 day stay on evictions.  Most of my clients are not likely to recover
ever

Wait till real estate taxes go up in July

Now I hear the bar assn is going after Guliani for free speech

Only a matter of time till I need to take the bar in North Carolina

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But seriously even when I had nothing I could not turn down family in need or true friends, So far have been happy with the  ROI.  Hate credit cards but sometimes they are the short term answer to a money problem.  Unsecured line of credit though is better and less interest

On the plus side hear Twitter lost 6 billion today   If I owned that stock or American Express or Shopify I would sell them now  Censor free speech and I will cancel your ass
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2021, 04:44:13 PM »

Easily
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2021, 04:49:19 PM »

Just had one for $2200..
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2021, 09:16:14 PM »

4 out of 10 sound right to me.

One problem is with the younger people in last 5 -10 years. They were all told to go to college they'll make more money. Turns out you just have a lot of people who went to college not making that much money yet have big student loans. Many people haven't even had a real job but basically they have already bought a house.   

Next problem is FICA, 20 -30 years ago FICA was a much smaller percentage of your taxes and know one can avoid those taxes.  About 10% right off the top of your earning today. Think it was more 2-3% 20 years ago? Not sure on that figure but it was much lower 30-40 years ago. 

Another problem is health insurance. I'm self employed and if I had the insurance I had 10 years ago it would cost $20K a year. I have kids and they cost the same as adults now, everyone has to pay their fair share or so they say. End result there, is I know more then one parent who just doesn't insure their children. It's at the point where if you have 3 children it isn't worth it to get insurance unless you have a sickly child. Literally if you get a $20,000 bill every 3 years with 3 kids that's cheaper then buying insurance. The young people are the same way health insurance costs way to much, a 25 year old doesn't need much for insurance and to my knowledge there is no cheap insurance for that age group?

It all adds up. You add up the costs for people in their 20's or 30's and they simply don't have as much money to spend as people decades ago. Most of them are broke. The scary part is they will stay broke for a long time.

I'm shocked at how many people in their mid-20's are living with their parents???? Sorry but in my generation you were pretty much complete loser if you lived with your parents in your mid 20's are older. Unless you had some good reason. It seems to be very common now.
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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2021, 09:29:48 PM »

Yes, easily done out of the checking account and not even touching the savings. A few months back I started sending my oldest daughter a check every month. She's alone, 60, has some health problems and the meds hit the purse rather hard. Her job has rather lousy health insurance so that takes a big chunk when she has to see a doctor or specialist. In 2019 I put out nearly $1k on her car, one thing really needed were tires.

I have a decent pension from the State of Florida which goes up 3% automatically every July. Also have SS which is a little less but it pays all my bills with money left over. I get my supplemental health insurance through the State and it's automatically deducted from the pension. The State contract is better than what you can buy if you walk in off the street, it's a bit pricey but worth it. In 2012 my major heart attack put me in the hospital 5 weeks, total bills were near $1.5 million. I paid zero! Like many of you, my youth was hard and you learn to watch how you spend.
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2021, 08:10:25 AM »

I am a retired Civil Service Gov old fart.   We, when we were a lot younger with 3 kids at home, lived paycheck to paycheck.  But as kids left home, we were able to start putting money away.  Right now we are able to save each month about what we are spending.   So yeah could spend $1k without causing problems.

In fact maybe doing that later in the week.  Just found that there is a water leak somewhere between the meter and our home.    Have a company coming Thursday to find where the leak is at.   And just had the main water shutoff valve replaced.   OH what fun.
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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2021, 01:26:33 PM »

4 out of 10 sound right to me.

One problem is with the younger people in last 5 -10 years. They were all told to go to college they'll make more money. Turns out you just have a lot of people who went to college not making that much money yet have big student loans. Many people haven't even had a real job but basically they have already bought a house.   

Next problem is FICA, 20 -30 years ago FICA was a much smaller percentage of your taxes and know one can avoid those taxes.  About 10% right off the top of your earning today. Think it was more 2-3% 20 years ago? Not sure on that figure but it was much lower 30-40 years ago. 

Another problem is health insurance. I'm self employed and if I had the insurance I had 10 years ago it would cost $20K a year. I have kids and they cost the same as adults now, everyone has to pay their fair share or so they say. End result there, is I know more then one parent who just doesn't insure their children. It's at the point where if you have 3 children it isn't worth it to get insurance unless you have a sickly child. Literally if you get a $20,000 bill every 3 years with 3 kids that's cheaper then buying insurance. The young people are the same way health insurance costs way to much, a 25 year old doesn't need much for insurance and to my knowledge there is no cheap insurance for that age group?

It all adds up. You add up the costs for people in their 20's or 30's and they simply don't have as much money to spend as people decades ago. Most of them are broke. The scary part is they will stay broke for a long time.

I'm shocked at how many people in their mid-20's are living with their parents???? Sorry but in my generation you were pretty much complete loser if you lived with your parents in your mid 20's are older. Unless you had some good reason. It seems to be very common now.
Problem with this is they never pay that $20k bill every 3-4 yrs if it comes about. Ask me how I know!
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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2021, 03:13:53 PM »


The Affordable Care Act hurt a lot of people.  They knew it would,..... those that read it knew.  But they accepted bribes and deals and they voted straight down party lines when they had the majority in the house and senate.  And in a week, they'll have all that power back.  Can't wait to see what they come up with next to hurt the middle class some more.   coolsmiley



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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2021, 08:12:11 AM »

Mark, this is an older and pretty responsible crowd, so I would posit our poll results wouldn't be exactly representative of..... everyone.

I had several of those myself this year, and helped out a couple of family members to that figure also.  And just wrote my mom a check today (though she said she didn't need it, she needs it more than me).  We all hope to live long lives, but she's lived long enough to outrun the annuity table on dad's 401K payouts.

But retired on small pension and SS, I live as a pretty cheap hermit.  That's why I can help them.

That source is not a beacon of integrity, but it might still be true (I dunno).



This is about what I expected.

Most of us are older and pretty fiscally responsible.

Most of us also know what it is like to experience some lean times.

We have learned that our wants don't rule our lives and tend to live within our means.


4 out of 10 sound right to me.

One problem is with the younger people in last 5 -10 years. They were all told to go to college they'll make more money. Turns out you just have a lot of people who went to college not making that much money yet have big student loans. Many people haven't even had a real job but basically they have already bought a house.   

Next problem is FICA, 20 -30 years ago FICA was a much smaller percentage of your taxes and know one can avoid those taxes.  About 10% right off the top of your earning today. Think it was more 2-3% 20 years ago? Not sure on that figure but it was much lower 30-40 years ago. 

Another problem is health insurance. I'm self employed and if I had the insurance I had 10 years ago it would cost $20K a year. I have kids and they cost the same as adults now, everyone has to pay their fair share or so they say. End result there, is I know more then one parent who just doesn't insure their children. It's at the point where if you have 3 children it isn't worth it to get insurance unless you have a sickly child. Literally if you get a $20,000 bill every 3 years with 3 kids that's cheaper then buying insurance. The young people are the same way health insurance costs way to much, a 25 year old doesn't need much for insurance and to my knowledge there is no cheap insurance for that age group?

It all adds up. You add up the costs for people in their 20's or 30's and they simply don't have as much money to spend as people decades ago. Most of them are broke. The scary part is they will stay broke for a long time.

I'm shocked at how many people in their mid-20's are living with their parents???? Sorry but in my generation you were pretty much complete loser if you lived with your parents in your mid 20's are older. Unless you had some good reason. It seems to be very common now.


Many have been sold a bill of goods about a college education.

The push has been that everyone needs to go to college and get a 4 yr degree.

This is probably why every university that I see is spending millions of $$$ building new buildings.


The truth is that not everyone needs to go to college.

There is no shame in being a tradesman.

Plumbers and Electricians are needed and paid well for their work and they don't owe $100k or more on student loans.

There's also no shame in going to Community College to get the prerequisites out of the way for a lot less $$ and getting an online degree while you work a real job.




Health insurance is high.

Insurance companies control every aspect of our health care whether we want to admit it or not.

The ACA was written by insurance companies with the sole purpose of increasing their profit margins.




Well Cuomo shut me down by 80% but yeah as long as I can find another buried mason jar should be able to handle it   Wink

And he just put on another 60 day stay on evictions.  Most of my clients are not likely to recover
ever

Wait till real estate taxes go up in July

Now I hear the bar assn is going after Guliani for free speech

Only a matter of time till I need to take the bar in North Carolina

Oss

But seriously even when I had nothing I could not turn down family in need or true friends, So far have been happy with the  ROI.  Hate credit cards but sometimes they are the short term answer to a money problem.  Unsecured line of credit though is better and less interest

On the plus side hear Twitter lost 6 billion today   If I owned that stock or American Express or Shopify I would sell them now  Censor free speech and I will cancel your ass



Oklahoma Oss.


It is the only state where neither Obama, Hillary or Biden didn't win a SINGLE precinct.

We REALLY need to get more people to vote like that!
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