Question for Willow

[Alien]

Willow, you mentioned in a post that I can't find right now that Facebook was/would be the death of the VRCC board.  Question:  There is a VRCC FB group that I am a member of.  Is it not run by the actual VRCC?   Anyone can start a group there.  If that group isn't the actual VRCC, would you consider starting one?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/valkyrieriderscruiserclub

Ride Safe,

Alien

[Serk]

I won't pretend to speak for Willow, so instead I'll quote his reply on this matter from the thread you were referring to:

Now that I think of it, why would you guys hate Facebook? Isn't the Facebook VRCC group yours?

I spoke in the singular (I) and explained in the next sentence why.

Yours?  The English language is difficult sometimes with pronouns.  At least one of them was established by a staff member without consulting the rest of the staff.  I thought it was a stupid move but was done so someone else would not establish and own it.  It's not mine.  I don't bother to go there.

[Bret SD]

Alien, not that I am answering for Willow.. if you could find the post he clearly stated his disdain for the platform, which I share as well FWIW.

Sorry Serk, we cross posted

[f6gal]

I'm answering this because Willow may not actually know the status of the VRCC FB groups.  Willow hates FB, but not all the staff share that opinion.  I do agree that FB has seriously damaged our message board and may eventually contribute to its demise.    

There are 2 VRCC FB groups.  The one I consider the actual VRCC page is VRCC / Valkyrie Riders Cruiser Club (the one you linked).  Andy from Germany set it up, but gave us the "keys," so to speak.  At that time, I didn't get on FB much, so didn't pay much attention to it.  I do now.  If there is something VRCC related, I will post it there first, then share with other Valkyrie groups.

oZ also started a FB page quite some time ago, but then never monitored or moderated it.  I didn't even realize it was "our" site, until someone pm'd me that something inappropriate needed to be removed.  I went to investigate that situation and found that oZ had set it up.  I contacted oZ and he added me as moderator.  There were member requests from at least 5 years earlier that had gone unanswered.  

So, anyway, we now run both sites.  I don't know if it's possible to merge them or even if it would be a good idea to do so.  As I said earlier, I consider https://www.facebook.com/groups/valkyrieriderscruiserclub the actual VRCC group.  The ease of FB makes it difficult for us to compete, since we can't afford all the conveniences available there.  

So, there you have it.  I hope that helps.

[Dave Ritsema]

I share Carl's disdain for FB and will gladly keep my curmudgeonly self right here in the O.G. VRCC. 

[f6gal]

I share Carl's disdain for FB and will gladly keep my curmudgeonly self right here in the O.G. VRCC. 

You hooligan!

[Serk]

....and I'm just over here waiting on the MeWe group...

[carolinarider09]

https://mewe.com/group/5fabe617eda4c72fccec7849

https://mewe.com/group/5c1ac77eddbf9220950489b1

[Rams]

I'm answering this because Willow may not actually know the status of the VRCC FB groups.  Willow hates FB, but not all the staff share that opinion.  I do agree that FB has seriously damaged our message board and may eventually contribute to its demise.    

There are 2 VRCC FB groups.  The one I consider the actual VRCC page is VRCC / Valkyrie Riders Cruiser Club (the one you linked).  Andy from Germany set it up, but gave us the "keys," so to speak.  At that time, I didn't get on FB much, so didn't pay much attention to it.  I do now.  If there is something VRCC related, I will post it there first, then share with other Valkyrie groups.

oZ also started a FB page quite some time ago, but then never monitored or moderated it.  I didn't even realize it was "our" site, until someone pm'd me that something inappropriate needed to be removed.  I went to investigate that situation and found that oZ had set it up.  I contacted oZ and he added me as moderator.  There were member requests from at least 5 years earlier that had gone unanswered.  

So, anyway, we now run both sites.  I don't know if it's possible to merge them or even if it would be a good idea to do so.  As I said earlier, I consider https://www.facebook.com/groups/valkyrieriderscruiserclub the actual VRCC group.  The ease of FB makes it difficult for us to compete, since we can't afford all the conveniences available there.  

So, there you have it.  I hope that helps.

Connie,
Thanks for that explanation (although it really wasn't necessary).   I also don't care for FB.   I procrastinated joining for years but was finally convinced to join because I was told I was missing out on all the cool things the cools kids do.   Discovered quickly that I was misinformed IMHO.   I don't go there much but know many do.   I greatly prefer this forum.

Rams

[Dave Ritsema]

I share Carl's disdain for FB and will gladly keep my curmudgeonly self right here in the O.G. VRCC. 

You hooligan!

Of Course!  One of Barbarian's Hooligans, the O.G. VRCC group of said Hooligans.

[BigInSeattle]

It IS really hard to compete with FB when it comes to special interest groups. I could care less about the status updates of my friends. In a matter of minutes I joined 10-12 different groups related to motorcycles, Valkyries and other riders in my region. That is so much easier than signing up at 10-12 different websites/forums. Having all of that information and community at your fingertips is compelling.

I asked a question concerning something on my Interstate and I had an answer in less than 2 minutes, and 4-5 people offering help in less than 30 minutes. That is just amazing to me. Maybe I'm just easily impressed. But then again, a quick search here probably would have helped my find the answer on my own. The tech boards HERE are already full of most of the information people need.

I don't like FB practices either but the fact is you can't beat it when it comes to building communities around special interests / hobbies / etc. You get out of it what you put in.

If FB kills this message board it won't be a unique situation. They are killing a lot more. I think the only message boards that will survive are the ones who are more 'for-profit' and have large followings. For example, there is NO WAY https://www.advrider.com is going to move to FB. They are too large and are probably making some decent money.

[SCain]

I wanted to share my comments on this topic.

The problem with FB is there are too many Valkyrie Pages, I think I belong to over 10 different ones.
It gets a little confusing at times when you are looking for something you saw yesterday or an hour ago.

There are several classified valkyrie pages, lots of stuff 4 sale. But you have to be quick, there are a lot of users looking for stuff.

Lots of New valkyrie owners and they are asking a lot of questions, just like the board was many years ago.

FB has lots of files and video's that are up to date, its shoptalk all over again.

Now there is a group that has moved from FB to MeWe, more valkyrie groups.

Its great to have so many options, but I still come back to where it started. A lot of newbe's don't know about the board. My .02
Steve

[BigInSeattle]

I wanted to share my comments on this topic.

The problem with FB is there are too many Valkyrie Pages, I think I belong to over 10 different ones.
It gets a little confusing at times when you are looking for something you saw yesterday or an hour ago.

Yes, the ability for anyone to create and moderate a group on FB can dilute communities. This is a plus of maintaining this sort of message board. No dilution (other than off-topic discussions).

If you want your group to stand out on FB you really need to do some marketing to make sure you keep people in one place. The VRCC FB Group has almost 4k and I think that is amazing. I don't see it as a negative in any way. It shows the VRCC is still popular. It shows that our bikes are still relavent and popular. It shows there are still people excited about the VRCC and the Valkyrie!

[Jess from VA]

When did everything get so complicated?

I must have been napping.  

Humans are generally a social species... but we like to kick ass too, once the socialization results in differences of opinion.  

The kicking ass seems to be on the increase, probably due in part to all the new ways to socialize.

Meanwhile, time for my nap.  

[carolinarider09]

I wanted to share my comments on this topic.

The problem with FB is there are too many Valkyrie Pages, I think I belong to over 10 different ones.
It gets a little confusing at times when you are looking for something you saw yesterday or an hour ago.

There are several classified valkyrie pages, lots of stuff 4 sale. But you have to be quick, there are a lot of users looking for stuff.

Lots of New valkyrie owners and they are asking a lot of questions, just like the board was many years ago.

FB has lots of files and video's that are up to date, its shoptalk all over again.

Now there is a group that has moved from FB to MeWe, more valkyrie groups.

Its great to have so many options, but I still come back to where it started. A lot of newbe's don't know about the board. My .02
Steve

 

Yes I agree

[signart]

It IS really hard to compete with FB when it comes to special interest groups. I could care less about the status updates of my friends. In a matter of minutes I joined 10-12 different groups related to motorcycles, Valkyries and other riders in my region. That is so much easier than signing up at 10-12 different websites/forums. Having all of that information and community at your fingertips is compelling.

I asked a question concerning something on my Interstate and I had an answer in less than 2 minutes, and 4-5 people offering help in less than 30 minutes. That is just amazing to me. Maybe I'm just easily impressed. But then again, a quick search here probably would have helped my find the answer on my own. The tech boards HERE are already full of most of the information people need.




I don't like FB practices either but the fact is you can't beat it when it comes to building communities around special interests / hobbies / etc. You get out of it what you put in.

If FB kills this message board it won't be a unique situation. They are killing a lot more. I think the only message boards that will survive are the ones who are more 'for-profit' and have large followings. For example, there is NO WAY https://www.advrider.com is going to move to FB. They are too large and are probably making some decent money.

I don't doubt what you say is true, but I don't think you will find technical advice any truer, faster, cheaper? or more eager to help than on our tech board here. Although you may research old threads here for multiple recommendations or solutions, repeat commonly asked questions are still welcome and responded to without much
 

[BigInSeattle]

It IS really hard to compete with FB when it comes to special interest groups. I could care less about the status updates of my friends. In a matter of minutes I joined 10-12 different groups related to motorcycles, Valkyries and other riders in my region. That is so much easier than signing up at 10-12 different websites/forums. Having all of that information and community at your fingertips is compelling.

I asked a question concerning something on my Interstate and I had an answer in less than 2 minutes, and 4-5 people offering help in less than 30 minutes. That is just amazing to me. Maybe I'm just easily impressed. But then again, a quick search here probably would have helped my find the answer on my own. The tech boards HERE are already full of most of the information people need.




I don't like FB practices either but the fact is you can't beat it when it comes to building communities around special interests / hobbies / etc. You get out of it what you put in.

If FB kills this message board it won't be a unique situation. They are killing a lot more. I think the only message boards that will survive are the ones who are more 'for-profit' and have large followings. For example, there is NO WAY https://www.advrider.com is going to move to FB. They are too large and are probably making some decent money.

I don't doubt what you say is true, but I don't think you will find technical advice any truer, faster, cheaper? or more eager to help than on our tech board here. Although you may research old threads here for multiple recommendations or solutions, repeat commonly asked questions are still welcome and responded to without much
 

Yeah that's the thing. Is there a single question that hasn't already been answered about the Valkyrie several times over? I'm sure there is a thread out there for every nut and bolt on this bike. That's what makes this message board so great, it is the best technical archive for those willing to put in the effort.

[bikerboy1951]

I don't like Facebook, but I have advertised something here that didn't sell so listed it on Facebook and it sold immediately.  Seems like a lot of buyers and sellers have abandoned this site in favor of Facebook.  Truly wish it was the other way around.

Brad

[f6gal]

I wanted to share my comments on this topic.

The problem with FB is there are too many Valkyrie Pages, I think I belong to over 10 different ones.
It gets a little confusing at times when you are looking for something you saw yesterday or an hour ago.

There are several classified valkyrie pages, lots of stuff 4 sale. But you have to be quick, there are a lot of users looking for stuff.

Lots of New valkyrie owners and they are asking a lot of questions, just like the board was many years ago.

FB has lots of files and video's that are up to date, its shoptalk all over again.

Now there is a group that has moved from FB to MeWe, more valkyrie groups.

Its great to have so many options, but I still come back to where it started. A lot of newbe's don't know about the board. My .02
Steve

I agree Steve.  I let out an audible groan every time a new FB group starts up.  Through the InZane events and posts, I think some newbies find their way here.  People on FB also frequently link to Shop Talk.

[f6gal]

I don't like Facebook, but I have advertised something here that didn't sell so listed it on Facebook and it sold immediately.  Seems like a lot of buyers and sellers have abandoned this site in favor of Facebook.  Truly wish it was the other way around.

Brad

 

[threevalks]

I share Carl's disdain for FB and will gladly keep my curmudgeonly self right here in the O.G. VRCC. 

    I quit facebook several months ago. IMHO every conservative in the country should leave them and all others like them.

[Jess Tolbirt]

I joined the VRCC in I believe 98 or 99 on the old board, the people on here are my friends and even tho i ride another brand right now, i consider this home and here i will stay until it goes away.. these people helped me out a lot many years ago...family i call it..

[Dave Ritsema]

I joined the VRCC in I believe 98 or 99 on the old board, the people on here are my friends and even tho i ride another brand right now, i consider this home and here i will stay until it goes away.. these people helped me out a lot many years ago...family i call it..

  Same here. I sold my last Valkyrie in 2013 and got an F6B, then later a Wing but this is where my family is and I have never left.

[msb]

For a long time, I never participated on any online forum, this and FB included. I lurked here for quite a few years and gleaned info off the Tech board. Our little Valhalla group did things the old fashioned way... email and phone calls... and then some other ancient looking site (maybe it was an offshoot of the original VRCC site? I can't remember).
It was only when I made my first Inzane in '15 and met more members that I really started participating here. Something about this site (even with all the "debating" going on these days)... it just feels comfortable, kinda like my old leather MC jacket that I refuse to update. Weathered, scuffed up a bit, not flashy with bright colours and new shiny leather, but it fits like a glove and is oh so comfortable to slip on and go for a ride with.
I joined the VRCC FB group recently and it's OK, but it's not as easy to get to know folks as it is here... it's a bit too fast-paced for me. Discussions come, then are replaced with others in a heartbeat. Probably because there's so many more members participating there, and there also doesn't seem to be as much back and forth responding. Sign of the times in the modern social media world... get your two cents in, then move on to the next biggest thing. If I were to draw an analogy between the two, it would be that the FB site is the City... crowded with too many people you don't know and everything moves fast, while this site is more like a Small Town... a more leisurely pace with a lot fewer folks and where you know your neighbours. Guess that's why I'm here most of the time... been a small town guy in real life for all of my 64 years  

[JimC]

I joined FB  a few months ago. I see a lot of things on there that I like, but I am not long for their world.
 
I posted a couple things that I am very serious about, IE: stealing elections, Term limits, The Biden /China connection, etc, only to have them taken down or slammed with the usual FB propaganda. I am giving serious consideration to dropping it due to their EXTREME left leaning Bull crap.

Say what you want about politics on this board, at least we get to say what we feel without censorship. (as long as we are civil at it) I have tried the MEWE board and could not get hooked up.

Jim

[In Between]

I'm new here, so don't want to step on anyones toes.  After several years of FB, I finally deleted my account today and went to https://mewe.com and to me in better than FB and advertised to keep your privacy in mind.  I see a Valkyrie Rune group, but no Valkyrie GL1500 groups.  Would like to see someone try it for VRCC as I like this board.

Thank you
Ken

[f6gal]

I'm new here, so don't want to step on anyones toes.  After several years of FB, I finally deleted my account today and went to https://mewe.com and to me in better than FB and advertised to keep your privacy in mind.  I see a Valkyrie Rune group, but no Valkyrie GL1500 groups.  Would like to see someone try it for VRCC as I like this board.

Thank you
Ken

Every Valkyrie group or site further dilutes this board.  Our preference is to keep traffic here, as much as possible.  I am on MeWe and I made an InZane Event page.  https://mewe.com/i/conniehammond5

[..]

I'm new here, so don't want to step on anyones toes.  After several years of FB, I finally deleted my account today and went to https://mewe.com and to me in better than FB and advertised to keep your privacy in mind.  I see a Valkyrie Rune group, but no Valkyrie GL1500 groups.  Would like to see someone try it for VRCC as I like this board.

Thank you
Ken

If you like this board then why have a clone of it?

[carolinarider09]

I have an account on Facebook and on MeWe. 

I find that boards like this are much easier to navigate, get information and to find old data.  This cannot easily happen on MeWe or Facebook. 

While its easier to share things like videos on Facebook or MeWe because of their structure, they can also be shared here. 

So, I do both. But if I want data or to know about an event or have an issue with one of my bikes, a forum like this is the only place to go.  And, it has an archive. 

[Skinhead]

try the southern valkyrie riders group.   they let yankees in.  thereis also a MI VRCC Chapter group.

[JakeAustin]

Just my .02 here. I've been a member of this group since 2015. I do use fb and follow numerous valk related pages but I use this website as my absolute go-to for Valkrie related information (including upcoming InZane info). The vast knowledge in this entire website is amazing and knowing some of it is coming from seasoned valk garage mechanics....well that can't hold a candle to fb in my opinion.
On another note, the VRCC forum is a nice getaway while I avidly work on my Valk and wait for spring to come so I can get back to road therapy.

[BigInSeattle]

I agree. Information here is the best while social is better on FB.

[In Between]

I'm new here, so don't want to step on anyones toes.  After several years of FB, I finally deleted my account today and went to https://mewe.com and to me in better than FB and advertised to keep your privacy in mind.  I see a Valkyrie Rune group, but no Valkyrie GL1500 groups.  Would like to see someone try it for VRCC as I like this board.

Thank you
Ken

If you like this board then why have a clone of it?

Just thought if there was a FB VRCC Group, then maybe mewe.com VRCC group might be just another way to advertise VRCC .

Thank you
Ken