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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2021, 12:55:14 PM » |
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I wish I could go back in time and talk to my Father about stuff he saw in Europe at the end of the war. One thing I do remember, he said, "some of the men were looking in the ovens, but I didn't want to carry that sight with me..."
I've seen the black and white footage that the Nazis took and footage that was shot by the Allied soldiers who got there right after the Germans left and I wonder if my father was there then, or afterwards... what a thing to see... my father was in the army/airforce band, so I'd guess he wouldn't have been already hardened by sights from combat...
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2021, 01:06:28 PM » |
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Of all the tragedies associated with WW2, the Holocaust was one of the worst. It is a subject that I first got interested in in jr. hs, I have read several books about it and personal accounts written by survivors. I was appalled by the barbarity of the Nazis, the apathy of the Gentiles in Europe toward the Jews, and the conditions these people were subjected to. Their stories amazed me in that humans could endure such treatment and survive for as long as some of these poor souls did. It also amazed me that one set of humans could inflict such suffering on other humans. I can only hope that they will be held accountable.
Anyone calling some of today politicians Nazis, does a great injustice to the suffering of the holocaust victims and survivors. The WW2 Nazis and SS were monsters. The people some call Nazis today, in most cases simply disagree with or have opinions different to those of their accusers.
The holocaust should never be forgotten, and in my opinion should be taught to all HS students. People would not be so quick to label a person a Nazi.
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2021, 01:53:32 PM » |
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One of the most sobering experiences of my life was touring a concentration camp in Germany.
I took the tour in 1990 and you could still smell the stench of burnt flesh.
And Joe I believe that you are right. If people actually understood the atrocities committed by the Nazi's they wouldn't be so quick to place that label on someone.
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2021, 02:00:19 PM » |
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And I can not look at Faucci without thinking of Mengele
The plan was take liberties away one at a time, remove history, burn books
Like the frog in the pot Protect your civil rights and be outspoken while respectful
It can happen here Be vigilant Never forget
Thank you for the post, and yes I am aware of it and send donations to a few charities especially this week
One is Foundation for Righteous which supports elderly who helped save Jews The other is Blue Card which helps those elderly survivors The Fellowship..... is another which rescues and relocates
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2021, 02:47:00 PM » |
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And I can not look at Faucci without thinking of Mengele
I think Skin is right. Comparing Nazi monsters to doctors and scientists we don't agree with is STUPID ! 
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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2021, 03:32:01 PM » |
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And I can not look at Faucci without thinking of Mengele
I think Skin is right. Comparing Nazi monsters to doctors and scientists we don't agree with is STUPID !  Exactly. I said kind of the same thing, just with letters. Apparently it was deemed unacceptable and deleted.
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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2021, 04:35:27 PM » |
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All I can say is God rest their souls.
May the atrocities of the past remain in the past never to rear their ugliness again.
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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2021, 06:24:18 PM » |
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From 2 to 10 years old I lived in Verona, NJ and went to Catholic school from K>5. As tightly strung on dogma as Catholics were at that time, my best pal was the Jewish kid from up the block.
His maternal grandparents both had double sets of numbers on their forearms. As tempting as it was to sit and watch Million Dollar Movie all day, it was even more fascinating to listen to the stories they told about being highly valued Jews in Nazi captivity.
The whole family were wonderful folks and pillars of the community.
Those years left me with a really deep understanding of that period of history, a total intolerance of Holocaust deniers and throughout my time in NJ to age 46 I always had quite a few Jewish friends who I stay in touch with after moving away.
I actually just finished reading “Escape from Sobibor” last week. Recommended read.
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2021, 07:26:33 AM » |
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I wish I could go back in time and talk to my Father about stuff he saw in Europe at the end of the war. One thing I do remember, he said, "some of the men were looking in the ovens, but I didn't want to carry that sight with me..."
I've seen the black and white footage that the Nazis took and footage that was shot by the Allied soldiers who got there right after the Germans left and I wonder if my father was there then, or afterwards... what a thing to see... my father was in the army/airforce band, so I'd guess he wouldn't have been already hardened by sights from combat...
-Mike
My dad was in the group that rescued the survivors at the Dachau (sp?) concentration camp. he had dozens of pictures of the ovens and piles of bodies on the ground and in a pit. most of them tho, were of the survivors. they were just skin and bone 
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2021, 08:30:36 AM » |
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One day in Jr Hi, the whole school was put in the auditorium and shown a 2hr documentary on the holocaust. Bodies, bulldozers, ovens, survivor scarecrows, and work will set you free (Arbeit macht frei). A few kids puked.
That sh!t will never leave you.
Back in the day when schools actually taught real history (instead of lefty woke indoctrination).
I walked Dachau in 1987; not much left except a visitor's center.
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2021, 08:47:37 AM » |
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Yeah, with the change instead of teach history culture, my fear is the yutes of today will never appreciate and learn from the mistakes of the past.
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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2021, 06:40:05 PM » |
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One day in Jr Hi, the whole school was put in the auditorium and shown a 2hr documentary on the holocaust. Bodies, bulldozers, ovens, survivor scarecrows, and work will set you free (Arbeit macht frei). A few kids puked.
That sh!t will never leave you.
Back in the day when schools actually taught real history (instead of lefty woke indoctrination).
I walked Dachau in 1987; not much left except a visitor's center.
Dachau is the one that I toured in 1990. I distinctly remember seeing the gas chambers and the ovens. The smell of the ovens is something that I will never forget. During my time in Germany I came to love the German people and their traditions. But this is a very dark time in their history and it should never be forgotten.
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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2021, 07:31:31 PM » |
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Every year on Holocaust Memorial day ( Yom Hashoah in Hebrew) a siren in Israel sounds for 2 minutes across the country. All traffic comes to an immediate halt and it's citizens show their respect for our 6 million brothers and sisters ( including 1.5 million children) who were murdered by the Nazi's. My maternal grandfather lost 7 siblings in concentration camps-only he and his sister made it out alive. His sister found her way to then British controlled Palestine in 1946 and my grandfather ended up in South Africa ( Where I am formerly from) In 1948 our beloved State Of Israel was founded. We shall never forget. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxGcFx-vDuM
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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2021, 07:54:33 PM » |
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Every year on Holocaust Memorial day ( Yom Hashoah in Hebrew) a siren in Israel sounds for 2 minutes across the country. All traffic comes to an immediate halt and it's citizens show their respect for our 6 million brothers and sisters ( including 1.5 million children) who were murdered by the Nazi's. My maternal grandfather lost 7 siblings in concentration camps-only he and his sister made it out alive. His sister found her way to then British controlled Palestine in 1946 and my grandfather ended up in South Africa ( Where I am formerly from) In 1948 our beloved State Of Israel was founded. We shall never forget. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxGcFx-vDuMThanks for sharing your story.  Were your grandfather and his sister separated in the camps ?
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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2021, 11:29:36 AM » |
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I don't know which camp my grandfather was in-he never spoke about it-either to us or my mom. His sister was an Auschwitz survivor.
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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2021, 01:11:53 PM » |
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When honoring this memorial day, I prefer to remember the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, when men and boys decided it was was better to die fighting than get on the trains (when they finally realized, at 7,000 per day, some 254,000–300,000 ghetto residents had already died at Treblinka) (and dying was a virtual certainty, except for a precious few). In April 1943, impoverished scarecrows started shooting Nazis, Lithuanian and Polish guards, and spies and turncoats, with a handful of scavenged weapons, by people who mostly didn't even know how they worked (also Molotov cocktails and other handmade weapons). On the afternoon of 19 April, a symbolic event took place when two boys climbed up on the roof of a building on the square and raised two flags, the red-and-white Polish flag and the blue-and-white banner of the ŻZW. When resistance to German troops proved greater than ever believed possible, they burned the ghetto, block by block (a total of 13,000 Jews died, about half of them burnt alive or suffocated). On 10 May, Szmul Zygielbojm, a Bundist member of the Polish government in exile, committed suicide in London to protest the lack of action on behalf of the Jews by the Allied governments.  During my years at USDVA, I had the great pleasure of working with a young man raised in Poland (under the communists), but schooled in the US (as a new citizen). He was probably the strongest patriot (of both his native Poland, and the US) that I ever met met in my life (and I've met quite a few good patriots).
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