going above bosses head to their boss and HR

[cookiedough]

anyone ever do that and the outcome?   

I did today after my young worthless to me boss wanted me to drop everything to do something we never had time to begin with in the first place short staffed every single day needing 2-3 people vs. just me now that my coworker who got harrassed quit on me 2 months ago with no job lined up had enough.  No new hire yet either but keep saying 'working on it'.

I first went to HR on the subject today which others have already on my boss being harassing in a way to others and me today.  Demanding is very similar to harassing in her voice especially since she has no clue on how to do our jobs at all. My coworker who quit 2 months ago told me when she went to HR in exit interview she could no longer take the constant criticism  (I would have said harrassing) our boss was giving her every single week just because she was slower than we were by a 1-2 hours per day.

Then at the end of today, I went to her boss and she does not like my boss to begin with and she confirmed I am correct, although not good me yelling at my boss over the phone telling her NO time her thinking 1 hour per day vs. 5 hours per day needed on over 100 items to research and process.    My boss did threaten to write me up and I told her go ahead see if I give a crap over the phone could care less really go for it.     

Her boss told me to NOT quit since already few others in same dept. recently quit (one quit today even) (same reason shitty boss demanding talking cluelessly and short staffed to begin with).   The bosses boss was going to have a talking to with my boss and NOW is not the time me alone to do projects that have not been done for well over 6 months now since have daily jobs needed done daily and a TON of them of which one person cannot do 14 hours work daily in an 8-9 hour day impossible needing 2 full time employees always has been always will be.  We even having 3 full timers when I started 2 years ago same job duties.

Every single person in our dept NON supervisory level knows she is most of the problem (and HR mgmt. not hiring more)  and she needs to go but until her boss dislikes her even more doubt she will leave she makes 100K per year and worth ZERO to me.   I know her previous job where she worked no one liked her and although she said she left, it was actually mutually agreed upon her boss hated her guts as well so either she was getting fired or just mutually agreeing leaving.

[semo97]

Sounds to me like she has something on someone. It sucks but do you have a back up plan?

[GiG]

It's called a job for a reason. Its what you do to make money. Who cares if someone is grouchy over the phone? Hang up.

Maybe you should find a job where everyone sings kumbaya and ~LIKES~ each other 

[hubcapsc]

Maybe you should find a job where everyone sings kumbaya and ~LIKES~ each other 

Hey! That sounds like my job!

-Mike

[pais]

In my experience, nothing good comes from jumping the chain of command. I never have but, I've watched a few do it with little success. I'm confident in saying, it won't improve your working environment.

[mbramley]

  I agree with the making a exit plan idea. I have seen mixed results with jumping the chain of command. I had been getting super frustrated at a job, almost walked out. I took a day off sat at home and made 3 plans. One for what I would do if I just walked out, one for if i just gave my 2 week notice and one if I just decided to leave but took my time to look. I then told my boss of this and if they wanted to fire me I really didn't care and would leave with a smile. That put the control back in my court somewhat and lowered my frustration. It's still a job and gets on my nerves of course but I can deal with it better and I keep the plans updated as situations change, my kumbaya.

[Dave Ritsema]

Some really good advice here.

[Rams]

It will be interesting to know how all this works out.   Please keep us informed.

I've seen others jump the chain before, only once did the end result get the complaining employee any satisfaction.  

Normally pressure or marching orders flow down hill.   So, I would suggest the increased pressure from above is well known.   Really, the only questionable issue is just how the pressure to produce was communicated.  

As a Production Supervisor I was once told that I needed to get a certain shift/crew to a higher performance goal.   Was told to use whatever leadership tactics I needed to use but, it had to be done.
I considered my options, pulled the  crew into my office and advised them of where their numbers were and what the expected goal was.  There was no yelling, it was a very calm meeting.   They had heard it all before from previous supervisors.

At the end of the meeting, I asked them to help me move my office out onto the production floor to the open area right beside their work center.   They looked at me like I was nuts but proceeded to help move everything.   After about a shift and a half, the operator asked me what the hell I was doing always watching them.   I had other crews but none were a real focus point.   He said he didn't like my continued observations.   I really wasn't watching them all the time but, he thought I was.  I told him I had already given him the key to getting me out of that area.   I didn't harass him or the crew, I was just there most of the time.   It was amazing to see how much their numbers improved.

So, I would suggest that just maybe, the only surprise to management was you coming in to complain or, maybe not.

Rams

[RP#62]

Just keep in mind that HR is not there to ensure justice or fairness.  Regardless of what they say, HR is there to make sure the company doesn't get sued and justice or fairness doesn't enter into it.  That's been my experience anyway.

-RP

[old2soon]

        You've Nailed the WHY of me being a truck driver. I've only ever been micro managed at one driving job. I by choice did Not stay there very long. Also the WHY of me preferring long haul-think coast to coast. Load out east somewhere and 3 and a half 4 days later somewhere on the west coast. IF you are in a production situation I git the boss not being able to do your job. They have NO hands on experience. Much like a new dispatcher saying it's only 4 inches on the map!  Do you REALLY wanna lose yer senority over her lack of thought? IF she is as bad as you state It WILL sort itself out. Another thought can you go anywhere else fairly similar mileage from home and make what yer making now? Can you git by on less per week? Do you have enough socked away in case the economy takes a bigger dump than it already has? Man up figure it out. How far are you from retirement? Good Luck. RIDE SAFE.

[..]

Cheese and crackers.

You've been complaining ABOUT YOUR WORK FOR YEARS!!!

Get a different job.

OR

Get over it.

Let your blood pressure and stress go down. Sheesh.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I started to read the OP. I could only make it half way. In the last 9 years there have been innumerable posts from him bitching about his fellow workers and bosses. They always followed the same train of thought. "I'm the only good worker, everybody else sucks". You would think just a little self reflection would let him see this pattern. But it doesn't, or he won't.
  It's f'ing embarrassing to see someone run down his fellow workers and bosses all the time. I've probably had a hundred different bosses over the years. Probably more. Many of them sucked, some of them were really good. I've been the boss to maybe 4 or 5 hundred over the years. I imagine many of them thought I sucked too. Some probably thought I was ok.
 Cookiedough, you shouldn't be in the workforce. You are going to spend the rest of your career doing the same thing you have been doing. I'm sorry to be so harsh. Normally I just read your stuff and shake my head. But, enough is enough. Get your crap together, or leave, and quit tormenting and infecting your fellow workers.

[J.Mencalice]

Plan of Action:
1.  Update your resume.
2.  Have a letter of resignation made up and keep it with you at your place of work should you need it
     on short notice (like "You're Fired!" a la D.J. Trump).
3.  Document every interaction that you have with your superiors (name, date, time, subject) if a 
     meeting or confrontation occurs between you and the ruling class.
4.  Walk away from a heated discussion by faking a full bladder.  Hold up a single finger (no, not that
     one) to indicate "Pardon me, I'll return from the rest room in a minute."  Works every time.
5.  Go outside into the parking lot, take a complete, full inhalation through the nostrils, close your   
     eyes, and exhale fully while counting to eight sloooowly; then open your eyes and think of
     something that calms your soul.
6.  Have a Snickers. 
7.  Keep buying those lottery tickets.
8.  If ya gotta walk away....walk away on your terms without saying anything in an exit interview but   
     "Thank you." with a smile.
 

[Detn8er]

anyone ever do that and the outcome?   

I did today after my young worthless to me boss wanted me to drop everything to do something we never had time to begin with in the first place short staffed every single day needing 2-3 people vs. just me now that my coworker who got harrassed quit on me 2 months ago with no job lined up had enough.  No new hire yet either but keep saying 'working on it'.

I first went to HR on the subject today which others have already on my boss being harassing in a way to others and me today.  Demanding is very similar to harassing in her voice especially since she has no clue on how to do our jobs at all. My coworker who quit 2 months ago told me when she went to HR in exit interview she could no longer take the constant criticism  (I would have said harrassing) our boss was giving her every single week just because she was slower than we were by a 1-2 hours per day.

Then at the end of today, I went to her boss and she does not like my boss to begin with and she confirmed I am correct, although not good me yelling at my boss over the phone telling her NO time her thinking 1 hour per day vs. 5 hours per day needed on over 100 items to research and process.    My boss did threaten to write me up and I told her go ahead see if I give a poop over the phone could care less really go for it.     

Her boss told me to NOT quit since already few others in same dept. recently quit (one quit today even) (same reason shitty boss demanding talking cluelessly and short staffed to begin with).   The bosses boss was going to have a talking to with my boss and NOW is not the time me alone to do projects that have not been done for well over 6 months now since have daily jobs needed done daily and a TON of them of which one person cannot do 14 hours work daily in an 8-9 hour day impossible needing 2 full time employees always has been always will be.  We even having 3 full timers when I started 2 years ago same job duties.

Every single person in our dept NON supervisory level knows she is most of the problem (and HR mgmt. not hiring more)  and she needs to go but until her boss dislikes her even more doubt she will leave she makes 100K per year and worth ZERO to me.   I know her previous job where she worked no one liked her and although she said she left, it was actually mutually agreed upon her boss hated her guts as well so either she was getting fired or just mutually agreeing leaving.

Dude.... Do You Ever Read What You Type..... I'm bettin' if half of what you type is true your fellow employees wish you would go somewhere, sit down and STFU!!!

[da prez]

I personally used the mountain meditation .
 Visualize yourself in a beautiful mountain setting
 There is a stream in front of you. Very idyllic.
 Visualize yourself sitting on the chest of the person that upset you.  Hands around their throat ,head under the water , gasping for their last chance at life. Now , do we feel better

                   da prez
 

[Moonshot_1]

From the cheap seats...

Going above the "bosses" head can be successful if you possess the clout to do it.

I don't know the business you are in or the dynamics of the workplace so this is just a generic perspective.

I would suggest a non confrontational approach though you may feel that things have evolved beyond that.

Have a meeting with your boss and your boss's boss. Not a virtual one. Face to face.

Express your desire to accomplish the goals and objectives. State that you do not and are not given the time or help to accomplish those tasks and ask what they can do to make it so. Always stress the desire to get these things done. Stress the desire to help your boss achieve these things.

The goal is to give them the opportunity to be on YOUR side as your position is to get the work done, done right and done as quickly and efficiently as they allow.

Let them know it is their responsibility to provide adequate resources, time and personnel, to achieve the goals.

If there has been previous confrontations, take a step back, and lead into such a meeting with an apology for such confrontations then begin the discussion.

At the end either you change the dynamic for the better or you gave them the opportunity to make it better and they didn't, in which case you plan for an exit.

Take the high ground here. Make sure your co-workers are aware of what you are attempting. They will be your references for future employment. They can say you went out in a blaze of glory or you did everything you could to make the business better.

Guess which guy I'd be likely to hire?


 

 

[DIGGER]

I have found if you have a boss that you dont want to work for.....work hard and get her promoted.

[Willow]

After listening time after time to Cdough bitching about his job I have to agree with Britman and meathead.  That hurts but it is what it is.

If Cdough worked for me he wouldn't be working for me.  I honestly believe he will not be happy in any job.

It sounds like his boss is a shitty boss and has no shortage of shitty employees not working for her.

[Rams]

It sounds like his boss is a shitty boss and has no shortage of shitty employees not working for her.

Well, that's the shitts............. 

Rams

[The emperor has no clothes]

After listening time after time to Cdough bitching about his job I have to agree with Britman and meathead.  That hurts but it is what it is.

It is a little unsettling, isn't it ? 

[Jess from VA]

I believe Mike L's advice is the best sound advice anyone could ever wish for.   

[Bighead]

I did today after my young worthless to me boss wanted me to drop everything to do something we never had time to begin with in the first place short staffed every single day.

Dont know the answer you are looking for but bottom line your answer is right here.
1. Like it or not she is your boss
2. She asked you to stop one task and start another,it doesnt matter if you have the time or not do it she is your boss
3. If the other stuff you think is more important dont get done it is on her,she made you stop one thing and start another. Just keep track of that stuff so when her boss gets on her for not producing and then she comes to you,you have a record to show her boss when that time comes. 

(Personally I have quit jobs over just a small amount of $$. Just walked out. Didnt have another job but was working in a few days. This would probably be my answer. )

[Rams]

Realizing that we're only getting one side of the story, one has to wonder if there's something else going on.   I'm not suggesting anything, I wasn't there.

But, disgruntled employees always blame someone else.   Something Cookiedough should consider because, HR will consider it.

Rams

[scooperhsd]

Cookie - I hope you have a plan for a quick exit from that company.

[cookiedough]

  I agree with the making a exit plan idea. I have seen mixed results with jumping the chain of command. I had been getting super frustrated at a job, almost walked out. I took a day off sat at home and made 3 plans. One for what I would do if I just walked out, one for if i just gave my 2 week notice and one if I just decided to leave but took my time to look. I then told my boss of this and if they wanted to fire me I really didn't care and would leave with a smile. That put the control back in my court somewhat and lowered my frustration. It's still a job and gets on my nerves of course but I can deal with it better and I keep the plans updated as situations change, my kumbaya.

Well, so far worked out very very well, but next week is another story.      After late Thursday going to bosses boss who is a mgr. in charge of AP, AR, GL acct. team, and payroll, me telling her I will walk out that door right now and quit after showing my demanding supervisors email on what she wants done NOW by me along letting everything else just sit (cannot be done right now me alone in office basic necessities MUST be done daily), she said NO WAY do NOT waste your time and just do your basics more important MUST be done necessities and she agreed with it.   

Friday morning, same bosses boss after having a night chat with my supervisor and her demanding ignorant ways,  said to me early morning skip that time consuming report boss wanted done NOW and just do my job as best as I can knowing I am alone needing 2 full time people daily and EVERYONE knows it.  She even came by around noon eating lunch at my desk asking me if I was O.K. now concerning everything and I said yes, but this was after my boss SHOCKINGLY had a 1 on 1 mtg with me right before Friday lunch apologizing for her demanding ways and rude behavior over the phone of which I yelled back at her on the phone. 

I think my bosses boss realizes that me saying I will quit right now walking out that door which I was only one second away from doing before talking to her Thursday late in the day before leaving work knows she cannot afford me leaving otherwise bankrupt the company in 1 to 2 months knowing what I know no one else knows how to do my jobs including her and my supervisor which is wrong to begin with they should KNOW HOW to do my jobs not just 'in theory'. 

Funny to me:  1 of 2 temps in my dept quit also Thursday night and never told 1 of 3 supervisors in my same dept NEVER said a word did not come in Friday and this temp's boss was LAST to know since he told me he quiting Thursday right before he left.  I told him CONGRATS on getting out of this place.   

Get this:  Friday late in the day all 3 supervisors got called into same bosses boss office having 1 hour conversation, with me ONLY one left in the office due to COVID, and will find out Monday, but 85% sure the other temp in our same dept. quit Friday also and she got a call from temp agency telling her how 2 of her temp employees recently quit and both downgraded both our supervisors calling them rude and totally unprofessional which they are.  All 3 supervisors came out of bosses boss's office all 3 quiet as a mouse which is not the normal and 1 left ASAP she seemed pissed off storming out of there.

LET the DRAMA continue will be an interesting Monday morning for sure.   

The way it worked out I should have asked for a 2.00 hour raise which is what my job is worth (and then some)  especially considering the age 69 semi-retired part time lady who trained me a few years ago is making 3.50 hour more than me for doing EXACT same job duties daily.  I probably would have Friday and should have gotten it when I first started knowing now what I do is well worth more than they paying me now by far.   

Oh yah,  our 18 year VERY important AP supervisor who does more than AP also quit there on Thursday only 2-3 years away from retirement due to her job stress level was killing her literally in terms of high blood pressue, loss of sleep, etc. Dr. told her she has to do something or she will die soon.

[Rams]

Again, realizing we are getting only one side of the story, if it’s as bad as you say, why the hell are you still there?

I’d be looking for some other opportunities.   Then again, the company may be looking for other opportunities also.

Rams

[cookiedough]

From the cheap seats...

Going above the "bosses" head can be successful if you possess the clout to do it.

I don't know the business you are in or the dynamics of the workplace so this is just a generic perspective.

I would suggest a non confrontational approach though you may feel that things have evolved beyond that.

Have a meeting with your boss and your boss's boss. Not a virtual one. Face to face.

Express your desire to accomplish the goals and objectives. State that you do not and are not given the time or help to accomplish those tasks and ask what they can do to make it so. Always stress the desire to get these things done. Stress the desire to help your boss achieve these things.

The goal is to give them the opportunity to be on YOUR side as your position is to get the work done, done right and done as quickly and efficiently as they allow.

Let them know it is their responsibility to provide adequate resources, time and personnel, to achieve the goals.

If there has been previous confrontations, take a step back, and lead into such a meeting with an apology for such confrontations then begin the discussion.

At the end either you change the dynamic for the better or you gave them the opportunity to make it better and they didn't, in which case you plan for an exit.

Take the high ground here. Make sure your co-workers are aware of what you are attempting. They will be your references for future employment. They can say you went out in a blaze of glory or you did everything you could to make the business better.

Guess which guy I'd be likely to hire?


 

 

good advice - thanks.     All my 16 person AR dept. knows including 3 supervisors and bosses boss knows my jobs are and always will be a 2 to 3 person job not just ME ALONE needing 14 hours per day daily vs. 8 hours.  My bosses boss is the ONLY one trying to convince the past 2 months,  since my close coworker quit due to being harrassed she was too slow,  the dire NEED to the President, CEO, and CFO of the company that lonely old me cannot do it all since 5 full days behind on posting 15-20 million of revenue company doing about 80 million of revenue per month.   One would think a company would not survive if 80 million monthly not posted on the books right, especially since I am the only one knowing HOW to do it?    

Like said, I was totally shocked my boss called me into a 1 on 1 mtg. on Friday apologizing for being stupid basically and making unreasonable demands right now when I NEED to just get done daily with the basics in order to keep the company afloat for now until someone else hired to help me out.  I know her listing wanted done is important and I told her that but right NOW is not the time to have me attempt to do it told her 10x's already NO TIME.  

I am just glad her boss in my meeting late Thursday agreed with me as she should have and told my boss to basically LEAVE ME ALONE let me do my job basics right now until she hopefully gets someone hired to help some.  If she did not agree with me telling me to do what my boss says PERIOD, I would have walked out and quit Thursday unemployed right now.  

NOW more than ever I got my feelers out looking for other jobs.  

[cookiedough]

I did today after my young worthless to me boss wanted me to drop everything to do something we never had time to begin with in the first place short staffed every single day.

Dont know the answer you are looking for but bottom line your answer is right here.
1. Like it or not she is your boss
2. She asked you to stop one task and start another,it doesnt matter if you have the time or not do it she is your boss
3. If the other stuff you think is more important dont get done it is on her,she made you stop one thing and start another. Just keep track of that stuff so when her boss gets on her for not producing and then she comes to you,you have a record to show her boss when that time comes. 

(Personally I have quit jobs over just a small amount of $$. Just walked out. Didnt have another job but was working in a few days. This would probably be my answer. )

good advice also but knowing what I know dropping my other MUST DO daily jobs knowing it would financially ruin the company in a few weeks or 1 month also making my daily MUST DO jobs impossible to do EVER again would just make it worse for me and the company going down the tubes.  It is a snowball effect if the MUST DO daily jobs do not get done DAILY,  it is impossible to get current EVER again.  Basically, me alone cannot miss ONE day of work since no backup unless that semi-retired lady age 69 comes back to work full time which she really does not want to do signing a document with HR limiting her hours to 20 hours per week is all.  Sounds to me like my supervisor MUST and NEEDS to learn my jobs right?   That would make way way too much sense to me?      Gee you think a supervisor making 3x's my salary supposedly in charge of me would have ONE OUNCE of insight on HOW to do my daily jobs and should be taught how, right?   

[cookiedough]

After listening time after time to Cdough bitching about his job I have to agree with Britman and meathead.  That hurts but it is what it is.

If Cdough worked for me he wouldn't be working for me.  I honestly believe he will not be happy in any job.

It sounds like his boss is a shitty boss and has no shortage of shitty employees not working for her.

sorry, you wrong on this instance, actually the clerical grunt workers we have in our dept. are very good some having 36 years of doing their jobs, and we all get along and do our jobs very well for what limited people we have in place,  in reality we all need about 5 more in our 16 person dept.  It is the 3 supervisors and bosses boss and mgmt. that is the REAL problem.  Mgmt. cleaned house being bought out by another investor 3 years ago right before I started and ever since then people are dropping like flies leaving in all areas not just my dept. where 1/2 of them have quit past 2 years.

Yes, I was happy in 3 of my jobs but unfortunately all 3 offices/companies either  closed or moved to other cities/states.  All 3 of those jobs had decent supervisors.

[cookiedough]

I have found if you have a boss that you dont want to work for.....work hard and get her promoted.

Or more like ....    get her fired... 

It is possible though since my bosses boss and my boss do NOT like each other have seen them get into heated verbal LOUD arguments at bosses desk 7 feet away from me for ALL to hear, very unprofessional for someone that high up in the corporate ladder making 150K on up to come down on anyone like that.  I have seen others in my dept. crying like a baby for hearing our boss getting chewed out by bosses boss so blantly harrassment in anyone's books.   

Then again,  my wife's bosses boss overheard her yelling at my wife's boss screaming at her thru a closed door saying her 18 year old son can do a better job than what we have now.   

I think both my wife's bosses boss and my bosses boss outta get a room together and see who comes out the LOUDEST on top?   

[cookiedough]

Again, realizing we are getting only one side of the story, if it’s as bad as you say, why the hell are you still there?

I’d be looking for some other opportunities.   Then again, the company may be looking for other opportunities also.

Rams

good question, good advice. I think most at our company are looking elsewhere the past few years, except those ready to retire soon but even that did not stop 2 already age 60 both from leaving recently and one AP supervisor age 60 was am sure making 100+ grand a year just quit cold turkey 2 weeks notice due to health concerns.    They remodeled our entire building this past 1 year gutting it 10 million bucks to do since was looking like a 1940 factory very old building nothing worked including toilets leaking/overflowing (no joke) even the ceilings were leaking dripping rusty water on top of my head in the office.  There are 5 very good co-workers left in our 16 person dept. with 30 years or more experience there as soon as they leave good luck finding replacements...

Apparently from what I was told from those there long time,  just since new investors took over with new mgmt. 3 years ago,  they took all HUGE very excellent profit sharing away entirely plus 2+ year pay freeze now.   Some say they were getting say another 3 grand in profit sharing per year, that is HUGE to most.   Who you think making money then now?  ONLY the new investment company in charge,  duh!    Revenue has not gone down from what I see since I post most all of it the past 2 years anyways so why the 2 year pay freeze? 

[semo97]

 If the company goes belly up you know who's name will be put out there as the one that created the closer. Yours. You have too many bosses of bosses and they know how to play the game and non of them will have there name as the failure of the company. The top guys will just restructure and start again. They are the ones with the plan.

[ridingron]

I think one of the key points for your situation is the one about being bought out by investors. The goal is to make as much money with as little as possible spent. Get use to turn over of staff and running short staff with overtime to cover the manpower shortage. I don't know your benefits package but it is probably cheaper to work people overtime than hire new staff. Can your work be done by outside contractors? Your boss doesn't need to be able to do your job. That's why you are there. Maybe she is being pressured to do more with less, like yourself.

If you have had enough and want to leave the company, then leave. But do it for yourself. Do not think you will be hurting the company by leaving. Your leaving may cause a hiccup but it will be covered. Just like all the others that left before you.

[Dave Ritsema]

Whenever a company is purchased by an investment company it is likely that things are going to change for the worst. Your just a number on a balance sheet and as said above they will replace someone at the blink of an eye to satisfy investors. That is not an environment where you want to alienate your upper management. Sadly, it is likely that you don't have as much value to them as you think. You should really consider having a plan b.

[Rams]

If you have had enough and want to leave the company, then leave. But do it for yourself. Do not think you will be hurting the company by leaving. Your leaving may cause a hiccup but it will be covered. Just like all the others that left before you.

The biggest mistake some people make is thinking they are too valuable to the company to be let go.  
I assure you, no one is irreplaceable.   We're all expendable.  

Rams

[Jess from VA]

On the other hand, the only guy coming in to work every day and doing all the things necessary to keep company afloat (doing the work of three) just might be pretty indispensable.

However, if bridges are burned and enemies made, that may be a short term condition. 

Memories can be very long.

[cookiedough]

thanks all for the valuable suggestions and comments, much appreciated!   

Yah new investors taking over same year I started seemed to take a turn for the worse for EVERY single dept. not just mine.  I now sit next to Jon in Supply Chain mgmt. and very nice guy, me coming back into the office,  about same age 54 or so been with company for 34 years he has seen it all as well.  Even though my situation is no good,  there is always someone who has it worse and Jon reminds me of that.  I do NOT get overtime which is a joke right there, but he is salaried not hourly and he is working 60+ hours per week even took his work laptop home during the Packers/Bucs football game not watching hardly any of the game.  NOW that is HORRIBLE right there although the way the Packers played was not good even watching it.  Jon told me he is on 4 different meds due to stress at work him all alone still well over 2 years now but at least he has had the supply chain job posted but NO takers in all this time to help him out which IMO HR dept. and his bosses not doing their jobs hiring for it.   He takes depression pills, sleeping pills, and high blood pressure pills among others he said just to survive and looking at him he looks in darn good shape from the outside anyways.   He even told me his wife convinces him near DAILY to NOT quit for he feels like leaving every single day of his life and said he would rather work at Kwik Trip at the counter.  Yah, am sure he makes 2-3x's my salary, but money is not everything.  I learned that at 2 of my jobs past 30 years one me lasting 1 week the other 5 months before affecting my health so bad I had to leave or die.    That is the reason the AP supervisor after 18 years quit on Thursday as well last day her health was failing age 60 due to work related issues.  She was offered more money, etc. from same bosses boss I went to on Thursday  who manages all our depts. and money was not the issue but declining health.  The ONLY ONE time I saw the AP supervisor smile at me in over 2 years was last Thursday her last day there she was VERY happy and smiled for once when I talked to her wishing her well.

Once my health starts failing due to working conditions, is for sure time to leave learned that a long long time ago. 

[Oss]

This is probably no help

But I do not believe in the mantra of sacrifice to succeed, that working harder and longer will get you the ring. Jon is on a path to nowhere good.

Rather I give more value than asked and am open to receiving both money and opportunities
Also I refer lots of business to others expecting nothing back.
Karma works on its own I have found when I most need it and it just keeps rolling in

Start looking for another job, do not tell anyone, just start looking.  Your life is worth more than you
are settling for IMHO   Money is not everything, it is necessary but not the 1st thing

I work for myself, it was not easy at first, still has challenges but I am the master of my fate
(except at home of course)

[Deerslayer]

another view.. From the cheap seats.

I had a difficult time reading thru your posts. I had to read it multiple times & still had a hard time understanding it.  There is a lot of rambling, & negativity.

It appears, You are allowing yourself to continue in a toxic environment you absolutely hate.

Why would you spend one more minute in a job you did not enjoy. I've always said..

'The day I  dread going to work will be my last'

The door swings both ways.. just leave and..
dedicate your efforts 'full time' into finding a situation you will thrive in & enjoy.

We spend a good portion of our lives at work. We  should be happy.

Don't be afraid to simply walk away, it could be quite rewarding & fulfilling.
 
With full time effort, you will find something very quick.