Front Wheel

[pancho]

Can I use an interstate front wheel on my 97 Standard?

[Valkorado]

Pretty sure no.  The 97 front wheel was unique to that year and was changed moving forward.  I know the wheel bearings and seals are different for 97s anyway.

[hubcapsc]

I don't really know how an Interstate speedometer works, but
the parts fiche at partzilla makes me think the difference is
somewhere after the the little gear frob at the axle.

Compare the parts fiche for a 97 Tourer and a 99 Interstate
on the front wheel page... there's numerous front wheel
part numbers, but all the Tourer ones are on the Interstate
page...

The bearings have different part numbers, maybe their differences
don't have anything to do with their outer diameters?

-Mike "it would probably work fine..."

[indybobm]

Yes, absolutely. Just remember to order the later (98-03) bearings if you need to change them. Also, ALL front rotors are interchangeable from 97-03 so no problem there. The 97 wheel does use smaller bearings and as a result the distance spacer between the bearings as a little longer for 97 to compensate for the thinner bearings. I would be sure to keep that as there are hard to find.

[MarkT]

I had the wheels of my 97 Tourer powder coated a couple years back.  Before I knew there is a difference between 97 & later front wheels/bearings.  I have several wheels on hand.  I used a best one w/o regard to it's origin.  Now I don't know what's on it.  Installed new bearings when I reassembled it.  Is there an identifying number or something else to tell me what wheel I have?  The powder coater f'd up and got the powder in the bearing races and all screw holes.  I had to clean it out - used a Dremel in the bearing seats.  Now I have to use Loctite 680 Retaining Compound to assemble it.

[indybobm]

The difference between a 97 wheel and a 98 and later is cast on the inner circle of the brake rotor. A 97 wheel is a 1J and a 98 and later is a 2J.
Same for the rear wheels but a 1J is a 97-99 Standard Tourer wheel
and a 2J is 99-03 all models. 99 was a transition year for the rear wheel.

[pancho]

Thanks guys, i was aware of the bearings being different, but didn't know if there were any other issues that would keep it from working. I think the spedo drive will plug right into the wheel Mike, I'll find out. What happened is I needed a front tire and went looking yesterday and found all my go-to places were out of stock in our size!!! What is going on with tires?

I looked on PinWall and found an Interstate wheel with an almost new ME888 on it and bought it. I believe the tire will last me until the tire supply problem is gone.

[MarkT]

The difference between a 97 wheel and a 98 and later is cast on the inner circle of the brake rotor. A 97 wheel is a 1J and a 98 and later is a 2J.
Same for the rear wheels but a 1J is a 97-99 Standard Tourer wheel
and a 2J is 99-03 all models. 99 was a transition year for the rear wheel.

Thanks.  Just checked, no 1J or 2J visible on the rotors while assembled, though a couple other markings are.  Is it on the inside surface?

[Timbo1]

I think he's talking about the 1J, 2J marking on the wheels not the rotors.  At least the rear wheel I have in the garage has the 2J marking cast into the wheel inside under where the rotor would mount.

[Jess from VA]

Markings on wheels, not rotors.   

But some front rotors use button-heads, and some use countersunk.  (I think)

[indybobm]

Inside rotor well. It is still inside of the rotor circle. Rear rotors use two different type of bolts, all fronts are the same.

[pancho]

The difference between a 97 wheel and a 98 and later is cast on the inner circle of the brake rotor. A 97 wheel is a 1J and a 98 and later is a 2J.
Same for the rear wheels but a 1J is a 97-99 Standard Tourer wheel
and a 2J is 99-03 all models. 99 was a transition year for the rear wheel.

I received the Pinwall wheel yesterday, got some time today to make a first pass at cleaning it up and surprise,, it is a 1 J wheel.   






Now the wheel came off an Interstate, don't remember the year and the information and video is already gone, but it was listed as

1 x    USED Honda Valkyrie GL1500 FRONT WHEEL RIM (1999-2001 CF Interstate 2003 CD Deluxe)

does that suggest the owner had a 97 wheel on his Interstate, or is there some other explanation? When I pull my front wheel off, I will check for the bearing differences.


It's all good anyway I look at it as the tire was what I was after,, having it already on a good wheel is just a bonus.    There is a bit of work to do first as the wheel still has an original type valve stem, and no wheel weights or balance beads installed. I will break it down and change the valve stem and add three oz of beads before installing it.  I think my present tire can still make it for a couple of days.

[Bagger John - #3785]

Going to throw a little gasoline onto this fire:

I'm also looking to powdercoat a set of wheels, and like a previous poster I ordered a front from Pinwall. When the wheel arrived I noticed it was stamped "1 J". Since I live fairly close to their facility I took a run down to the place and spoke with the counter staff. The wheel in question - trackable by bar code - came from a 2000 I/S. I figured I'd check a few things upon returning home and opted not to get a refund.

Both bearing pockets were inspected - they're 47mm. I started doing some digging regarding the '97 and '98-up wheels, bearings and so forth. Both front bearings from the '97 are listed as a 6004UU - this is a 42mm OD bearing. A 2000 I/S front wheel uses two 6204s - which are 47mm OD.

If your "1 J"-stamped wheel has the larger bearing pockets, you're apparently good to go as far as the later bearings are concerned. Unknown is when the transition to the "2 J" part occurred, and on which models - as previous findings may or may not jive with reality. Of course, someone may have swapped the front wheel at some point but this seems unlikely.

[pancho]

Hey John, when I broke the bead on the Pinwall  wheel to add balancing beads, I found it had a fresh load of Slime or Puncture Seal in it, so I just re-seated the tire, blew it up and installed the wheel. I never checked the bearings as I was looking to ride...

Are you saying that the 1J wheel you received from Pinwall is cut for the 6204, (20x47x14) bearings? If so there is a bit of new knowledge to be gained here.

I really should have checked my wheel, but the urge to ride trumped my curiosity, also, I didn't have front wheel seals on hand.

[Bagger John - #3785]

Are you saying that the 1J wheel you received from Pinwall is cut for the 6204, (20x47x14) bearings? If so there is a bit of new knowledge to be gained here.

Yes indeed.

I was looking to sell the thing if it wasn't set up for the larger bearing, but there you have it. As soon as my remover tools arrive I'll pop the old bearings out and check the numbers molded into the dust seals.

[f-Stop]

So...my '98 Standard with a manufacture date of May 1997 has a 1J front wheel.  The bearings are the 6204UU (47mm) size (I know this because I replaced the bearings at 45,000 miles as preventative maintenance).  I'm the second owner and when I purchased her, she had the original Dunlop tire installed from the factory.  The previous owner had kept impeccable records with no mention of anything other than basic maintenance.  Therefore, I'm convinced the front wheel is in fact the original installed at the Marysville factory and has not been modified in any way.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SuUcpkF_5GO3eYHV3qs4l6UMmklDAv5q/view?usp=sharing

Before this thread, I never considered the 1J/2J wheel conundrum.

I went ahead and looked up the '97 & '98 front wheel microfiche.  While the wheel assembly part numbers are the same, the bearing part numbers are not.  I can only assume that if you order a new wheel for a '97 that you'd get the assembly with the 6204UU bearings installed, but you can still order the 6004UU bearings to fit a '97 original wheel.

That doesn't answer the 1J, 2J thing...

Since the '98 model was the transition away from the smaller 6004UU bearings, does anyone out there have a '98 with a factory original 2J front wheel?  Just curious...

I'd bet a nickel that Honda would have had a bunch of 1J wheels on hand in '97 with the 6004UU bearings ready to be installed, but once the first year models started coming in with spent 6004UU bearings they decided to go with the larger 6204UU bearings.  Instead of throwing out the original wheels, they simply machined their inventory of 1J wheels to accommodate the larger 6204UU bearings.  Once the 1J inventory was used up, then the 2J wheels started appearing...or they all got mixed together which would explain a 2000 Interstate having a 1J front wheel.

...or not... 

[Gondul]

I just went out to look, my '98 has 2J

[Steel cowboy]

Pancho what is the DOT number on the tire

[pancho]

Pancho what is the DOT number on the tire

Which tire are you talking about?


I got thinking about it, and realized that the front left seal (edit: I mean right side seal) will have the same outer diameter as the bearing in that position, so I could see what bearings were in the Pinwall wheel without removing the wheel from my bike. I measured the seal at 47mm, so I also have an Interstate wheel with 6204 bearings that is cast with the 1J marking..?? I don't see these wheels still being left over from 97 f-stop, maybe to your 98, but to a 2000, that's a lot of bikes gone by, there must be more of an explanation.

[Bagger John - #3785]

...so I also have an Interstate wheel with 6204 bearings that is cast with the 1J marking..?? I don't see these wheels still being left over from 97 f-stop, maybe to your 98, but to a 2000, that's a lot of bikes gone by, there must be more of an explanation.

Here's my SWAG:

Different OEM suppliers for the wheels - or if they're a part that was cast and machined by Honda, different plants or process lines. BTDT in a number of employs over the years, and have encountered many more examples on the service/hobby side.

[indybobm]

I guess that there are no absolutes. Maybe the fact that the IS 1J wheel is polished? Does that start a new category?

[Bagger John - #3785]

I guess that there are no absolutes. Maybe the fact that the IS 1J wheel is polished? Does that start a new category?

Polished and clear-coated from Honda, or did someone do it themselves with Boms-Away? That used to be a popular treatment for parts on our Valkyries.

[hubcapsc]

There's such a thing as a Deluxe Standard. They had nice clear coated
wheels and final drives. Maybe other stuff? Where did the chrome hangers
that passenger footpegs go on come from? Are the Valkyries with Stripes
"Deluxe" ones?

-Mike

[The emperor has no clothes]

There's such a thing as a Deluxe Standard. They had nice clear coated
wheels and final drives. Maybe other stuff? Where did the chrome hangers
that passenger footpegs go on come from? Are the Valkyries with Stripes
"Deluxe" ones?

-Mike

The CD’s also came in plain black. The chrome hangers were aftermarket. At least my 01 Standard didn’t come with them. I think all 01-03 Standards were the “Deluxe” ones.

[Bagger John - #3785]

I think all 01-03 Standards were the “Deluxe” ones.

The last model years in the lineup were listed as GL1500CD, and the "D" is Deluxe - as with other Honda product designators.

[pancho]

Pancho what is the DOT number on the tire

Cowboy, the date code on the Bridgestone is 1317 (that tire lasted awhile), and the code on the Pinwall 888 is 3519.

So I cleaned up the Pinwall wheel and installed it and rode on it awhile and like the way it feels,



so I check Pinwall again to see if I can find a rear 888, and find a Valk rear wheel with an low mileage 888 and buy it. I clean and polish the wheel only to discover that the wheel has been run without a thrust washer and has suffered damage.



Here is a good surface




I call Pinwall and send them pictures and they tell me to keep the wheel and they send me another at no charge. I get this wheel, (nasty and needs a lot of cleanup) and it has a good Metzeler 880 on it. About seven years old but not out of my comfort zone and I will ride on it till it's gone, other wise in good condition with the thrust washer face in good condition.



So this all started because I needed a front tire and could not find one at my regular sources. Yes I did spend several hours cleaning and polishing, and need to change a couple of tires around, but I end up with two like new Metzeler 888 tires, a good Metzeler 880 tire, a good spare front Valkyrie wheel, a good spare Valkyrie rear wheel, and a damaged Valkyrie rear wheel which can be used if I mill the surface flat and use three thrust washers. This was all for a little over two hundred dollars,, (free shipping and no tax if you buy from their website and not eBay. your results may vary.

Two thumbs up to Pinwall Cycles and the gal who handles their customer service line.



I guess the car tire is coming off for awhile, and I will go back to MC tires, see if I have been missing anything.

[Bagger John - #3785]

Two thumbs up to Pinwall Cycles and the gal who handles their customer service line.

I live about 25min from their facility and am fortunate that I can pay them a visit to inspect any potential purchases. Besides parts, they have a LOT of shop supplies like oils, grease, lubes, cleaners and similar items in stock.

[Jersey]

I don't really know how an Interstate speedometer works, but
the parts fiche at partzilla makes me think the difference is
somewhere after the the little gear frob at the axle.

Compare the parts fiche for a 97 Tourer and a 99 Interstate
on the front wheel page... there's numerous front wheel
part numbers, but all the Tourer ones are on the Interstate
page...

The bearings have different part numbers, maybe their differences
don't have anything to do with their outer diameters?

-Mike "it would probably work fine..."

Re: Interstate Speedometer.  The front wheel speedometer adapter sends a 5v pulse about 8 or so times per wheel rotation.  The Dash reads the rate of the 5v pulses to set the speed indicator. The faster the pulses the higher the speed.

I hope that helps.
Jersey

[pancho]

Two thumbs up to Pinwall Cycles and the gal who handles their customer service line.

I live about 25min from their facility and am fortunate that I can pay them a visit to inspect any potential purchases. Besides parts, they have a LOT of shop supplies like oils, grease, lubes, cleaners and similar items in stock.

That would be mighty handy to be close... are you over Pittsburgh way, or in the other direction? Wondering if there 's another Steelers fan around here.

[Bagger John - #3785]

A bit of a thread bump...I'm in the Akron, Ohio area. 

[Chrisj CMA]

Markings on wheels, not rotors.   

But some front rotors use button-heads, and some use countersunk.  (I think)

No countersunk front rotors. I make lazy Susan’s out of worn ones. Never seen a countersunk one and I have seen a lot of them from std/tourer/is. All the same