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 . Well, here we go. For years my wife has asked me to build a water feature for “her” back yard. She also wants a fire pit of some kind. I’m about to give in and build something but, I have an idea to combine the two “features” into one thing. Yeah, I’m also lazy. In that I’m past my wood splitting days by a long shot, this thing I’m calling fire water will be propane fueled with the gas being released below the surface and allowed to bubble up to the surface where I think it will burn once ignited. As long (my theory) as the gas continues to flow, the flame (on the water) should continue to burn. Breezy conditions might play a factor here. Standing up wind while igniting might be a good idea. I’m about to build a version out of items I have already in that I’m so tight I squeak when I walk. If it works like I think it should I’ll try to show it off at the Mississippi Madness event in Hattiesburg. If it doesn’t work out, someone else may have to host next year. What am I not considering?
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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2021, 05:53:08 AM » |
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I would think the water that will have fire on top should be a very small amount of water that is not circulating with the water you will be swimming in assuming this is part of a pool or hot tub. If not, if it’s just a stand alone fire/water pit then of course.....never mind
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2021, 06:09:24 AM » |
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The stream of gas at the surface would have to be uninterrupted to stay lit. But it forms individual bubbles on its way to the surface so isn’t steady. Unless your propane is delivered right at the surface, I can’t see it staying lit. And yeah, add in some wind, even less so. A propane burner (without the water/bubble thing) will go out in a wind. Unless you rig up a spark plug delivering spark a few times a second lol.
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2021, 06:12:27 AM » |
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Ron,
Perhaps a little experimentation might be productive... You could sit in a bathtub half filled with water and fart... If you're able to light the bubbles, you just could be onto something with your idea... Good luck... Looking forward to hearing of or seeing the results... Definitely not interested in witnessing the experiment, though...
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2021, 06:13:36 AM » |
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I was expecting that response!  Rams |
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2021, 06:36:03 AM » |
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I think a/several small standing pilot flame/s would keep it going. if you wanted to get fancy, you could maybe convert a gas log control valve with a thermocouple(s). Since it is out doors, you could probably get by with a couple copper tubes just above the surface that you light manually. Install shut-off valves for the main burner and the pilots. Th main burner could be circular copper tubing with holes drilled in it. Light the pilots and them turn on the main burner. I suppose you could rig spark igniters from a gas grill to the pilots. We may have to change your handle to Sparky or maybe Crispy, depending on how the R&D goes.
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2021, 06:45:51 AM » |
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I think a/several small standing pilot flame/s would keep it going. if you wanted to get fancy, you could maybe convert a gas log control valve with a thermocouple(s). Since it is out doors, you could probably get by with a couple copper tubes just above the surface that you light manually. Install shut-off valves for the main burner and the pilots. Th main burner could be circular copper tubing with holes drilled in it. Light the pilots and them turn on the main burner. I suppose you could rig spark igniters from a gas grill to the pilots. We may have to change your handle to Sparky or maybe Crispy, depending on how the R&D goes.
Getting pretty technical for an old farm boy like me. I figure pouring about a quart of gas on top of the water would be entertaining.  Was hoping Bruce would come hold my beer. Don’t like beer anyway so, he can consume it while I light this thing off!  Rams
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2021, 06:47:05 AM » |
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Lots of variables.  My thinking it will be difficult. Perhaps, the flow of gas might be released just under the surface of the water to achieve a consistent flame. To me if interupted over the surface the gas being released is diluted and too weak to ignite even if little to no wind. Experiment and let us know.  I just saw the u-tube posted above and looks like you do have to have a consistant flame on the surface.  |
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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2021, 06:57:02 AM » |
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The stream of gas at the surface would have to be uninterrupted to stay lit. But it forms individual bubbles on its way to the surface so isn’t steady. Unless your propane is delivered right at the surface, I can’t see it staying lit. And yeah, add in some wind, even less so. A propane burner (without the water/bubble thing) will go out in a wind. Unless you rig up a spark plug delivering spark a few times a second lol.
I don’t know but believe you are probably correct about the bubbling thing. Was hoping that if the gas flow was high enough I could overcome that bubbling issue. I guess we shall see. Speaking of Mississippi Madness, anyone else prepared to step up next year if this doesn’t work out so well? Rams. |
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I have to admit, that is proetty cool. dumb question, what happens if for some reason the burning liquid overflows and spills onto the patio? |
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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2021, 07:12:29 AM » |
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The liquid doesn't burn, just the propane gas.
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The liquid doesn't burn, just the propane gas.
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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2021, 08:13:22 AM » |
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Fire pit with a nice pile of rocks and some benches is a good idea. If she wants a water feature, just pull the hose out there. Done. For something unique, replace the water part of this fountain with a propane gas line and light it up.  |
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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2021, 07:37:16 PM » |
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OK folks, there is an answer to my question. I'll fill you all in once my eyelashes and eyebrows grow back. Thinking I need to tweek my system just a tad bit. Rams |
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« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2021, 07:44:33 PM » |
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« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2021, 07:53:43 PM » |
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Where have I been all my life?
I've never known how much I really, really want a lighted, flaming vortex fountain until now.
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Where have I been all my life?
I've never known how much I really, really want a lighted, flaming vortex fountain until now.
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Sir, I promise. You will be impressed. Especially if I don't get this thing tweeked. Rams Hopefully next weekend won’t become known as the “Mississippi Massacre Ride”  /cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/65377479/shutterstock_1158748144.0.jpg) |
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The liquid doesn't burn, just the propane gas.
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Where have I been all my life?
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Sir, I promise. You will be impressed. Especially if I don't get this thing tweeked. Rams Hopefully next weekend won’t become known as the “Mississippi Massacre Ride” Oh Ye of Little Faith.....................  Rams |
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« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2021, 05:32:34 AM » |
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Propane is heavier than air and a lot more pressure from its source than natural gas. Making the gas stay relatively stable to ignite and stay lite is the biggest feat.
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« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2021, 05:45:44 AM » |
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Propane is heavier than air and a lot more pressure from its source than natural gas. Making the gas stay relatively stable to ignite and stay lite is the biggest feat.
Yep, that's true. What I've discovered is, staying lit isn't not the biggest problem. Currently seeking some parts for my "test/experimental" bonfire grill. Needing a 3/8ths union/joint and elbow with what ever thread that is used on propane hose. Been to Lowe's twice and my local hardware store once without good results. May have to visit my local propane dealership. Edited: Official name changed to accommodate the hotel's request. Rams |
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LH thread is used a lot in brass gas fittings especially on the last connection on each end of the supply line. Yep but, I'm having an issue matching up the thread pitch or size. Gonna try again today. Rams |
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« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2021, 04:45:50 PM » |
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OK, after visiting a Lowe's (again), a Home Depot, a local hardware store and a Walmart, I eventually was told to go check at ACE hardware. Well, we don't have an Ace so, I drove to Petal Mississippi and found everything I needed. Works great in light winds with the water at the rim but, I'm thinking it'll be just fine with a lower water level giving the flame a bit less wind.
Wife already is talking about making it a permanent brick installation in the back yard. Any brick layers here?
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Did you set up a perimeter safety barrier? Well, of course (not). We don't need no stink'n safety barrier....................... Well, maybe............ You've been waiting to post that haven't ya. Rams |
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Did you set up a perimeter safety barrier? Well, of course (not). We don't need no stink'n safety barrier....................... Well, maybe............ You've been waiting to post that haven't ya. Rams Well, if you haven't set up a safety barrier you most certainly have.... Read the directions? Personally I opt for the safety barrier. I don't need directions. That is saved for the professionals that I (my wife makes me) have to call once the safety barrier is breached.. |
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Did you set up a perimeter safety barrier? Well, of course (not). We don't need no stink'n safety barrier....................... Well, maybe............ You've been waiting to post that haven't ya. Rams I hope someone will post a pic. Because I have no idea what you have in mind. |
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Did you set up a perimeter safety barrier? Well, of course (not). We don't need no stink'n safety barrier....................... Well, maybe............ You've been waiting to post that haven't ya. Rams I hope someone will post a pic. Because I have no idea what you have in mind. Might not be necessary, we could make the news. Rams |
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whatever you do do NOT be a DUMB_SS like I was a few years ago on my copper kettle on outskirts of concrete patio with fire on wood barely going pouring on 4 to 5 feet up a near full 5 gallon gas can full of gas. The flame from the wood FLARED UPWARD in a SPLIT second as I pulled gas can away ASAP the roaring flame coming at me into the about 4 gallons of gas in my hands and BARELY pulled it out of the way before going BOOM in my hand not having a hand anymore am sure. after I just barely got the near full gas can OUT of harms way having cat-like reflexes luckily, I thought to myself what a DUMMY I was to even consider doing that. I do pour gas on the wood in the kettle at first but NEVER from a gas can after flame already ignited. A steady stream of FIRE coming at me ASAP nearly going INTO the gas can full of gas was an eye opener of how stupid I was. |
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whatever you do do NOT be a DUMB_SS like I was a few years ago on my copper kettle on outskirts of concrete patio with fire on wood barely going pouring on 4 to 5 feet up a near full 5 gallon gas can full of gas. The flame from the wood FLARED UPWARD in a SPLIT second as I pulled gas can away ASAP the roaring flame coming at me into the about 4 gallons of gas in my hands and BARELY pulled it out of the way before going BOOM in my hand not having a hand anymore am sure. after I just barely got the near full gas can OUT of harms way having cat-like reflexes luckily, I thought to myself what a DUMMY I was to even consider doing that. I do pour gas on the wood in the kettle at first but NEVER from a gas can after flame already ignited. A steady stream of FIRE coming at me ASAP nearly going INTO the gas can full of gas was an eye opener of how stupid I was. Gotcha, note made. Don't let Cookiedough near the fire. Rams |
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