EPA and their E15 to destroy engines

[98valk]

comments regarding the proposed modification or elimination of the current requirement on fuel dispenser labels for gasoline-ethanol blends of greater than 10 volume percent ethanol and up to 15 volume percent ethanol (E15).

https://motorcycleridersfoundation.wildapricot.org/resources/Joint%20Stakeholder%20E15%20Label%20NPRM%20Comments_EPA-HQ-OAR-2020-0448[2].pdf

https://motorcycleridersfoundation.wildapricot.org/resources/E15%20EPA%20Rule%20Comments%20.pdf

[Patrick]

More governmental stupidity. Its been known for a decade or more that ethanol laced fuel does not do what they thought it would do. So now in their infinite wisdom they decide to cause more damage. I wish government would get the heck out of our way.

[Jess from VA]

So they not only intend to sell us 15% polluted gas we don't want, but they want to hide it from us by taking it off the pumps?  

As the Indian in Outlaw Josey Wales said..... you drink it!  

[98valk]

destruction of older vehicles so people have to buy newer vehicles.   not like the vehicle corporations are paying the EPA officials, and giving them high paying executive positions after they retire or leave their govt job.

the big three, union workers equal democrat votes.

[old2soon]

       In my own words AGAIN. They-deception central and the "party" currently in control-continue their Cocentrated efforts to flush away OUR OWN COUNTRY! And as Most of us ARE Aware-NOT fer the greater good-unless the greater good from this travesty is fer them alone. RIDE SAFE.

[cookiedough]

15 vs. 10 percent will cause more engine issues maybe not as much as on our cycles, but smaller engines like lawnmowers and snowblowers more so I would think?    Is dumb move on their part.  All I know is never using 85% E85 gas ever again in my truck looses 3 mpg and runs/shifts bad.  I figured if loose 25% fuel economy the E85 has to be at least 25 to 30 percent cheaper than E10 just to break even, which E85 has not been 25% cheaper than E10 in a very long time.  Here where I live there are E85 stations all over but rarely see anyone using them.  I hope by now people wise up and realize is bad for engines.

[old2soon]

        When this idiocy was first proposed under the watch Before POTUS Trump I believe All the auto and M/C manufacturers stated whether by design or accident 15% alky engine damage WILL VOID  the Warranty. Can NOT git any more straight forward then that. And I also recollect the small engine manufacturers stating similar warranty voidance. Both my 99 Phatt Ghurl and my 06 G M 3.8 GenIII both like Pure Gasoline lots betta than that corn polluted kaka. As do my grass groomer. And my 2 stroke weed whacker. But we already KNOW politicians are smarter than the average workin stiff!  Ya dasn't have ta believe me-just ask em they'll tell ya!  RIDE SAFE.

[98valk]

15 vs. 10 percent will cause more engine issues maybe not as much as on our cycles, but smaller engines like lawnmowers and snowblowers more so I would think?    Is dumb move on their part.  All I know is never using 85% E85 gas ever again in my truck looses 3 mpg and runs/shifts bad.  I figured if loose 25% fuel economy the E85 has to be at least 25 to 30 percent cheaper than E10 just to break even, which E85 has not been 25% cheaper than E10 in a very long time.  Here where I live there are E85 stations all over but rarely see anyone using them.  I hope by now people wise up and realize is bad for engines.

honda states no more than 10% in our Valkyries. 15% might require re-jetting and up grading the carb o-rings and fuel hoses.

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

the big three, union workers equal democrat votes.

I've been a Teamster for 34 years and you can bet your a$$ I did not vote for the waterhead in the white house now in fact just the opposite .

[Romeo]

So they not only intend to sell us 15% polluted gas we don't want, but they want to hide it from us by taking it off the pumps?  

As the Indian in Outlaw Josey Wales said..... you drink it!  

i went  to Washington. The tall hats in Washington told me, endeavor to perservere.

[Jess from VA]

So they not only intend to sell us 15% polluted gas we don't want, but they want to hide it from us by taking it off the pumps?  

As the Indian in Outlaw Josey Wales said..... you drink it!  

i went  to Washington. The tall hats in Washington told me, endeavor to persevere.

We thought about it for a long time..... then we declared war on the white man.   

This rock candy is not for eating, it's for looking through. 

[da prez]

  A past read , it cost more to produce E-15 than it cost to produce gasoline and the performance is down.
 Corn ethanol is more wasteful as it takes away the feed corn to make out steaks. There is (at last read) nothing as of yet that the left over waste is used for.

                                   da prez

[98valk]

so isn't why the EPA wants ethanol to reduce pollution?, yet their own report states it increases pollution. there are other studies showing even more pollution during colder temps.

The bigger surprise is the fact that ethanol production and combustion significantly increases the production of nitrous oxides (Nox). This combines with oxygen in the atmosphere when exposed to sunlight, producing ozone. Now, when we have ozone far up in the atmosphere it helps shield the planet from the sun’s natural radiation, which is a good thing. But ground-level ozone produces no such benefit and actually contributes to the formation of smog and leads to respiratory ailments for many people.

furhermore

Now, the EPA has finally issued a new report, one that it is requited to issue every 3 years but which has been delayed by 4 years, and admits that the ethanol mandate comes at a considerable environmental cost. The Public News Service summarizes:

    Federal law requires the EPA to assess the environmental impact of the fuel standard every three years, but the new report, issued in July, was four years overdue. According to David DeGennaro with the National Wildlife Federation, the report documents millions of acres of wildlife habitat lost to ethanol crop production, increased nutrient pollution in waterways and air emissions and side effects worse than the gasoline the ethanol is replacing.
    "In finding that the Renewable Fuel Standard is having negative consequences to a whole suite of environmental indicators,” DeGennaro said, “the report is a red flag warning us that we need to reconsider the mandate's scope and its focus on first-generation fuels made from food crops.”

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/08/epa_finally_admits_ethanol_mandate_is_causing_environmental_damage.html

[98valk]

So the G foked up?

Tell me it isn't so.  


Seriously, the real concern is the fact that no matter how much they screw anything up, once set in motion, stopping it is apparently impossible... forever.

money to be made for the special people.  once they have another plan in place, enough electric cars, the info will come out and ethanol will stop. just like the MTBE ? the ethanol replaced.

worked in environmental section of the US Navy for 33 yrs, amazing what went on, I have plenty of stories esp the corruption of the shipbuilding contractors whose ships I used to inspect, such as the main contractor would sub-contract out some of the work and then that sub would sub out again, each time the contractor and a sub would skim off the top their profit sometimes as much as 33%, this is how much the Navy was overpaying the original contractor to build the ship or do the work.
one story EPA sued the US Navy stating the ships sea water discharge piping which is part of the ships firemain system was polluting the sea and inland water with heavy metals. yes the EPA was out there taking water samples in their little boats. Navy spent millions of dollars testing and defending itself, one section of my department was involved, so I have first hand knowledge.  End result was the heavy metals the EPA was finding in the discharge water was actually the heavy metals that are naturally in seawater. The ships piping systems a copper/nickel piping material which are designed for sea water were not corroding. one example of how out of control the epa is.

[Patrick]

EPA out of control !?   Also inept !

[F6Dave]

Not only does the EPA want you to replace your old vehicles, they want the new ones to be electric.  And if they succeed in banning coal and natural gas there won't be enough electricity to charge them.  So you'll be stuck at home or on a bus, just where they want you.

[CoreyP]

Not only does the EPA want you to replace your old vehicles, they want the new ones to be electric.  And if they succeed in banning coal and natural gas there won't be enough electricity to charge them.  So you'll be stuck at home or on a bus, just where they want you.

One of the planks of communism. Limited mobility. Another is national ID's, hmmm new drivers licenses take the same documents as passports?

[F6Dave]

Not only does the EPA want you to replace your old vehicles, they want the new ones to be electric.  And if they succeed in banning coal and natural gas there won't be enough electricity to charge them.  So you'll be stuck at home or on a bus, just where they want you.

One of the planks of communism. Limited mobility. Another is national ID's, hmmm new drivers licenses take the same documents as passports?

Years ago I read a great newspaper editorial.  The author described taking a girl on a date in his beat up old car when he was in college.  At a traffic light she looked at the new Mercedes next to them and said "isn't that guy lucky!"  The author replied "what's the big deal? I can travel anywhere he can!"  He went on to describe the advantages of personal transportation over public transportation.

We can fill our tanks with affordable (for now) fuel and drive hundreds of miles, even to another state, just because we want to.  We don't need permission from the government or anyone else.  The freedom of mobility is right up there with the first and second amendments.  But it's not in the constitution, and the leftists are working hard to erode that freedom along with the rest.  Large cities everywhere are adopting 'Vision Zero' programs, which replace heavily used traffic lanes with nearly empty bike lanes, replace badly needed parking with pedestrian malls, and lower speed limits to absurd levels.  They hate cars and want to force you to give yours up.

There's an organization fighting for our right of mobility.  The National Motorists Association was started decades ago to fight the 55 MPH national speed limit.  Their website (www.motorists.org) is full of information about the attacks on mobility and other resources (like fighting tickets).

[Davemn]

        When this idiocy was first proposed under the watch Before POTUS Trump I believe All the auto and M/C manufacturers stated whether by design or accident 15% alky engine damage WILL VOID  the Warranty. Can NOT git any more straight forward then that. And I also recollect the small engine manufacturers stating similar warranty voidance. Both my 99 Phatt Ghurl and my 06 G M 3.8 GenIII both like Pure Gasoline lots betta than that corn polluted kaka. As do my grass groomer. And my 2 stroke weed whacker. But we already KNOW politicians are smarter than the average workin stiff!  Ya dasn't have ta believe me-just ask em they'll tell ya!  RIDE SAFE.

Forbes......

This week at a campaign rally in Jacksonville, Florida, President Trump made a puzzling claim. Near the end of a story about Kamala Harris, Trump said “The great state of Iowa — where I made ethanol possible for them...”

[Davemn]

President Donald Trump promised to allow higher-ethanol gasoline to be distributed using existing filling station pumps, a move designed to boost support among corn farmers and biofuel producers in Iowa and other Midwestern swing states.

Trump announced the decision Saturday on Twitter, after a conversation with Senator Joni Ernst, an Iowa Republican who's been pushing for the change as part of her own re-election battle.

"Subject only to State approval, our important Ethanol Industry will be allowed to use the 10% Pumps for the 15% BLEND," Trump tweeted.

The move builds on the Trump administration's decision in 2019 to authorize the sale of a 15% ethanol-gasoline blend known as E15 year-round. Prior to that change by the Environmental Protection Agency it had been blocked for sale in the summer in many areas where smog is a problem.

And there ya go !

[carolinarider09]

Not only does the EPA want you to replace your old vehicles, they want the new ones to be electric.  And if they succeed in banning coal and natural gas there won't be enough electricity to charge them.  So you'll be stuck at home or on a bus, just where they want you.

One of the planks of communism. Limited mobility. Another is national ID's, hmmm new drivers licenses take the same documents as passports?

Well,,,,, in my state, SC, we don't have to get a "Real" ID (I think that is the term).  I have a passport and if I want to go into a federal building or other place that requires a "Real ID" I will us that.  I refuse to give all that information to the person behind the counter at the state DL office. 

That same information can be used to steal my identity and I would have no legal action because I could not prove it was the State that caused the problem. 

[Bret SD]

Not only does the EPA want you to replace your old vehicles, they want the new ones to be electric.  And if they succeed in banning coal and natural gas there won't be enough electricity to charge them.  So you'll be stuck at home or on a bus, just where they want you.

One of the planks of communism. Limited mobility. Another is national ID's, hmmm new drivers licenses take the same documents as passports?

Well,,,,, in my state, SC, we don't have to get a "Real" ID (I think that is the term).  I have a passport and if I want to go into a federal building or other place that requires a "Real ID" I will us that.  I refuse to give all that information to the person behind the counter at the state DL office. 

That same information can be used to steal my identity and I would have no legal action because I could not prove it was the State that caused the problem. 

A 'real ID' serves no purpose other than to control and track citizens movements, illegals move freely on our dime and spread disease, crime and suck the system dry. It's obvious our govt has gone full CCP on US.

[scooperhsd]

Not only does the EPA want you to replace your old vehicles, they want the new ones to be electric.  And if they succeed in banning coal and natural gas there won't be enough electricity to charge them.  So you'll be stuck at home or on a bus, just where they want you.

One of the planks of communism. Limited mobility. Another is national ID's, hmmm new drivers licenses take the same documents as passports?

Well,,,,, in my state, SC, we don't have to get a "Real" ID (I think that is the term).  I have a passport and if I want to go into a federal building or other place that requires a "Real ID" I will us that.  I refuse to give all that information to the person behind the counter at the state DL office.  

That same information can be used to steal my identity and I would have no legal action because I could not prove it was the State that caused the problem.  

Actually - they don't take the forms of id away from you, nor do they get put onto your license. They just use the documents you provide as a check (and you get the little gold encircled star on your DL).

PS - my sister is a DL examiner in the state of Kansas. We have ReaID here.

And Bret - drop the conspiracy talk on RealID.

[98valk]

Not only does the EPA want you to replace your old vehicles, they want the new ones to be electric.  And if they succeed in banning coal and natural gas there won't be enough electricity to charge them.  So you'll be stuck at home or on a bus, just where they want you.

One of the planks of communism. Limited mobility. Another is national ID's, hmmm new drivers licenses take the same documents as passports?

Well,,,,, in my state, SC, we don't have to get a "Real" ID (I think that is the term).  I have a passport and if I want to go into a federal building or other place that requires a "Real ID" I will us that.  I refuse to give all that information to the person behind the counter at the state DL office.  

That same information can be used to steal my identity and I would have no legal action because I could not prove it was the State that caused the problem.  

Actually - they don't take the forms of id away from you, nor do they get put onto your license. They just use the documents you provide as a check (and you get the little gold encircled star on your DL).

PS - my sister is a DL examiner in the state of Kansas. We have ReaID here.

And Bret - drop the conspiracy talk on RealID.

DL is the back door way to have a national ID card, which so many Americans were/are against.

just another step forward to the mark of the beast

Revelation 13
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

[Bret SD]

Not only does the EPA want you to replace your old vehicles, they want the new ones to be electric.  And if they succeed in banning coal and natural gas there won't be enough electricity to charge them.  So you'll be stuck at home or on a bus, just where they want you.

One of the planks of communism. Limited mobility. Another is national ID's, hmmm new drivers licenses take the same documents as passports?

Well,,,,, in my state, SC, we don't have to get a "Real" ID (I think that is the term).  I have a passport and if I want to go into a federal building or other place that requires a "Real ID" I will us that.  I refuse to give all that information to the person behind the counter at the state DL office. 

That same information can be used to steal my identity and I would have no legal action because I could not prove it was the State that caused the problem. 

Actually - they don't take the forms of id away from you, nor do they get put onto your license. They just use the documents you provide as a check (and you get the little gold encircled star on your DL).

PS - my sister is a DL examiner in the state of Kansas. We have ReaID here.

And Bret - drop the conspiracy talk on RealID.

Conspiracy? I never said that, however, if you think it can't and won't be used for tracking us I think you're very trusting of a very untrustworthy government.

BTW, pointing out the fact our govt routinely tracks and spies on us isn't a conspiracy theory, they do it every day in myriad ways.. tell me what good it is again? What does it do for us that a passport can't or won't do? It's another useless tool the govt uses to control and hassle us. I'm interested to hear your rationale around the 'RealID'  , as though our DL's and passports aren't 'real'?

[scooperhsd]

If your STATE is having an issue with RealID - it is a STATE caused problem - take it up locally, because DL are administered by your STATE government.

[Bret SD]

If your STATE is having an issue with RealID - it is a STATE caused problem - take it up locally, because DL are administered by your STATE government.

I don't know anything about my state versus your state re the new ID requirements. What I want to know is why we need it, what need does it fill that isn't being filled Now by our current IDs?

[RP#62]

and besides all that, I thought ID's were racist. 

-RP

[Jess from VA]

and besides all that, I thought ID's were racist. 

-RP

Yeah, I need a high security clearance ID for my driver's license, but the 10 million illegals (future democrats) don't even need a pair of pants to get in and get all manner of benefits.