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Author Topic: I still maintain the alternator setup is a major engineering blunder.  (Read 1257 times)
John Schmidt
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« on: May 07, 2021, 03:59:28 PM »

Removing it wasn't as big an issue this time since when I did the swap a few months back I redressed wiring and hoses. This time, once the mounting stuff was out of the way, it was less than 10 minutes to remove it compared to hours and hours the last time. However, reinstallation is another thing, so far I have about 3 hrs. invested in that process. I ended up taking it back out and using the Dremel I cut about three threads off the ends of the bolts holding the case together. They were interfering with the cross member by just a fraction of an inch. That allowed me to get the alternator up and nearly horizontal, the blades in front are lined up with the slots in the dampers, but it simply will not go in. I finally just walked away from it for a few hours, there's nothing in the way...no obstructions whatsoever. It just won't go forward in the the dampers. I'll have some supper and give it one more try this evening. This is absolutely the most infuriating and ridiculous set up I've ever seen...and I've seen hundreds. There's no reason why they couldn't have created a small indentation in the cross member immediately behind it, thereby allowing a much easier approach to the entire operation with increased space to work with...plus lengthened the large main wire. My hands look like I've been in a bar fight, last time they healed up over 60 yrs. ago!  Angry

Add in temps in the low 40's with rain, making the metal and me cold. Gloves drive me nuts when working on cars or bikes, and with the cold metal my hands become so stiff after a short time it only gets worse.
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JimC
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2021, 04:24:15 PM »

John,
Sounds like you need a stiff drink, then come back at it in the morning.

Jim
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Chrisj CMA
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2021, 05:28:07 PM »

While it’s obvious Honda didn’t engineer the frame with alternator R/R in mind it is not as hard as many make it to be. As soon as you decide it’s a hard job it WILL be a hard job. Instead of fighting through it, learn. Once you learn how it’s a ten minute job to get it back in. Kinda like fuel tank R/R. Learn how or fight it every time. I’d rather learn how.
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2021, 05:56:29 PM »

While it’s obvious Honda didn’t engineer the frame with alternator R/R in mind it is not as hard as many make it to be. As soon as you decide it’s a hard job it WILL be a hard job. Instead of fighting through it, learn. Once you learn how it’s a ten minute job to get it back in. Kinda like fuel tank R/R. Learn how or fight it every time. I’d rather learn how.

Yeah, there's a million ways it won't go in... don't keep trying those ways... there's
ways to get it in without cutting the frame or dremeling off the bolts...

-Mike "I'm pretty sure you have to cut the frame for the starter, though  Roll Eyes "
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2021, 05:58:12 PM »

Chris, I don't go into such things with defeat in mind. It's simply too cramped in there to move it around much, that makes it difficult regardless of mindset. I did finally get it in place after a ridiculous amount of time and it's charging like it should...over 14vdc when you up the rpm, then drops back when you release. I always try to have the dampers in with the slots at an X position as opposed to a + position which I found seems to allow them to fall out of place. So...now it's in and running as it should. I'm close to having the trike ready to travel....finally.
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Chrisj CMA
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2021, 06:11:12 PM »

Chris, I don't go into such things with defeat in mind. It's simply too cramped in there to move it around much, that makes it difficult regardless of mindset. I did finally get it in place after a ridiculous amount of time and it's charging like it should...over 14vdc when you up the rpm, then drops back when you release. I always try to have the dampers in with the slots at an X position as opposed to a + position which I found seems to allow them to fall out of place. So...now it's in and running as it should. I'm close to having the trike ready to travel....finally.

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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2021, 04:48:59 AM »

I found spraying the dampers with WD-40 helps things slide into place.
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2021, 07:01:51 AM »

I didn’t find it difficult at all to put the alternator in, maybe I got lucky,

This is my go to for all things rubber lubricant, well almost all things rubber


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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2021, 07:04:03 AM »



This is my go to for all things rubber lubricant, well almost all things rubber




But have you tried it, though?   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2021, 03:09:31 PM »

Only on appropriate materials  angel
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