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chazglenn3
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« on: May 13, 2021, 08:56:45 AM » |
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Greetings all;
I am working on a friend's 2000 Valkyrie that had been sitting for a few years. After cleaning the carbs, I started to install the new parts that came with the carb rebuild kit he sent me. Upon gently seating the first mixture needle, the tip promptly broke off. I don't think it was the right size. That kit and it's suspect parts has been returned. Anyway, I've tried compressed air and blasts of carb cleaner to no avail. It just won't come out. My friend moved to Hawaii and wants to ship it over but all of the shipping companies said it had to be running. At this point, I'm thinking to just put it back together using the new All Balls kit that he sent and send it on its way letting him know he may need to source a carb body. Will the bike run okay as is? I ride an FJR1300 and haven't dealt with carbs since my V65 Magna. Although I've long wanted to own a Valkyrie Interstate
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98valk
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2021, 09:56:01 AM » |
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it will run, if u turn the idle up, thereby bypassing the idle mixture screw circuit.
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chazglenn3
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2021, 10:09:34 AM » |
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Thanks for the quick reply! How high are we talking for the idle?
Charles
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Mooskee
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2021, 01:01:37 PM » |
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I may have a carb body depending on which carb. I have 1,2,3,5 & 6. If you are interested, let me know which carb. I'll ship it to you for $76 if it is one of the ones I have. At least he wont have to pull the carb bank and fix the bad carb. How high are we talking for the idle? If you go that route it will have to be above 2000 RPM to get out of the slow speed circuit. |
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« Last Edit: May 13, 2021, 01:10:50 PM by Mooskee »
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chazglenn3
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2021, 01:22:38 PM » |
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That's awesome, Mooskee! I have to check and see which one it actually is when I get home. It is one of the four end carbs. I'll definitely take you up on the offer.
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98valk
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2021, 01:32:16 PM » |
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I may have a carb body depending on which carb. I have 1,2,3,5 & 6. If you are interested, let me know which carb. I'll ship it to you for $76 if it is one of the ones I have. At least he wont have to pull the carb bank and fix the bad carb. How high are we talking for the idle? If you go that route it will have to be above 2000 RPM to get out of the slow speed circuit. idle circuit isn't that high. |
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1998 Std/Tourer, 2007 DR200SE, 1981 CB900C 10speed
1973 Duster 340 4-speed rare A/C, 2001 F250 4x4 7.3L, 6sp
"Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the goverment of any other."
John Adams 10/11/1798
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2021, 01:57:30 PM » |
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Do you have access to an ultra sonic cleaner? And failing that give atticrat-Bob-a call. He Is a board sponsor and his number is in the ad. He resides in Tulsa Ok. BUT be forewarned-his time IS booked out months in advance. And he may more likely than not have an answer to yer problem. Good luck there! RIDE SAFE.
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Mooskee
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2021, 02:05:04 PM » |
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That's awesome, Mooskee! I have to check and see which one it actually is when I get home. It is one of the four end carbs. I'll definitely take you up on the offer. The ends are 1,2,5,6. The ultrasonic cleaner suggestion might work too.  |
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chazglenn3
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2021, 06:50:09 PM » |
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I don't have an ultrasonic cleaner, but will look into getting hold of one. I'll also give Attic Rat a call tomorrow and ask. Mooskee, it is carb #5.
Charles
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« Last Edit: May 14, 2021, 10:30:29 AM by chazglenn3 »
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Mooskee
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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2021, 06:05:15 AM » |
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Sent you a PM.
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chazglenn3
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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2021, 11:13:49 AM » |
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Thanks! PM replied to.
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chazglenn3
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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2021, 12:15:04 PM » |
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Bob said that the broken tip isn't going to come out of there. My appreciation of my fuel injected bike in rapidly increasing!  |
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yrunvs
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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2021, 06:01:54 PM » |
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probably shouldn't have torqued on it so much.
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I'm no gynecologist but hey I'll take a look!
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chazglenn3
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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2021, 06:22:39 PM » |
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I wasn't present when it happened but my friend that was working on it at the time is pretty knowledgeable and said it barely seated when it broke. Looking at some of the other mixture screws in that kit, they were thicker than the stock ones. Not all, but some. Some of the springs were different too. Just not a good kit at all. Probably why it was only $22.
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chazglenn3
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« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2021, 04:38:37 PM » |
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From what I understand the 6 carb bodies are all different, but the internals are all the same. This is an example of what came in the first carb kit I received.
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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2021, 04:51:42 PM » |
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From what I understand the 6 carb bodies are all different, but the internals are all the same. This is an example of what came in the first carb kit I received.
what kit? |
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chazglenn3
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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2021, 06:29:45 PM » |
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My friend bought the kit from Amazon. The brand was AUTOKAY. Looking at the return information the kit was $61.64. I don't have a picture of the mixture needles but there were at least two different types and sizes.
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Timbo1
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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2021, 07:02:14 AM » |
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Mooskee
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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2021, 09:40:20 AM » |
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From what I understand the 6 carb bodies are all different, but the internals are all the same. This is an example of what came in the first carb kit I received.
The main jet needles in these carbs are all the same. There is no reason for the kit to have different length needles in it. Some of those would result in an open throttle on startup. If they fit at all and you were actually able to start up! That kit is obviously junk. Sorry for your troubles. |
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chazglenn3
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« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2021, 04:57:01 PM » |
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My friend that is working on the Valk with me (he was working on it when the needle tip broke off) was determined to get the broken tip out and has succeeded! Going to start reassembly now.
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pancho
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« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2021, 06:37:55 PM » |
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What method did he use to get it out?
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The most expensive things you will purchase, are those things you would not have needed if you had listened and obeyed.
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chazglenn3
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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2021, 07:23:10 AM » |
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I went to Harbor Freight an purchased a set of micro drill bits. My friend then used the .030 drill bit to make a small divot in the top of the broken tip. Then, the tiniest drop of JB Weld was added to the drill bit and it was placed on top of the broken piece. Next day he was able to pull the drill bit out with the broken tip stuck to it.
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pancho
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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2021, 07:29:10 AM » |
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Cool,, good work. I hope all is well and you have the bike on the road soon.
What type of tool does that collet holding the drill bit fit in?
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The most expensive things you will purchase, are those things you would not have needed if you had listened and obeyed.
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98valk
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« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2021, 08:56:11 AM » |
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I went to Harbor Freight an purchased a set of micro drill bits. My friend then used the .030 drill bit to make a small divot in the top of the broken tip. Then, the tiniest drop of JB Weld was added to the drill bit and it was placed on top of the broken piece. Next day he was able to pull the drill bit out with the broken tip stuck to it.
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1998 Std/Tourer, 2007 DR200SE, 1981 CB900C 10speed
1973 Duster 340 4-speed rare A/C, 2001 F250 4x4 7.3L, 6sp
"Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the goverment of any other."
John Adams 10/11/1798
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chazglenn3
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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2021, 09:08:13 AM » |
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That required more improvisation. The drill bits are for Dremel type tools. We glued the bit into the end of a mechanical pencil and rolled it slowly in the palms of the hands. In the photo, the drill bit is in some tiny scissors that were sharpened with a grinder.
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pancho
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« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2021, 06:58:13 PM » |
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Wow... I see it now that you described it, it just looked odd and mis-shaped at first. Hey, you guys got it out!  |
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chazglenn3
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« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2021, 07:03:37 PM » |
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Indeed! I suspect that our next challenge will be getting the air box back in.
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yrunvs
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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2021, 07:01:53 AM » |
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Zip tie and pull the air box snorkles together and the air box will drop right in then cut and remove zip ties. Zip tie 1 and 2 together, 3 and 4, 5 and 6 then take the top of the air box off to access the snorkles from the inside and work them around to get the tight fit on the intakes before tightening the bands.
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I'm no gynecologist but hey I'll take a look!
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chazglenn3
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« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2021, 09:19:36 AM » |
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Awesome! Thank you for the advice! |
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« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2021, 08:09:35 AM » |
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Indeed! I suspect that our next challenge will be getting the air box back in.
You guys got out a broken needle valve. The air box will be childs play for you. |
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« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2021, 09:24:29 AM » |
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From what I understand the 6 carb bodies are all different, but the internals are all the same. This is an example of what came in the first carb kit I received.
The main jet needles in these carbs are all the same. There is no reason for the kit to have different length needles in it. Some of those would result in an open throttle on startup. If they fit at all and you were actually able to start up! That kit is obviously junk. Sorry for your troubles. This bears repeating. I'd use Redeye's or Honda's gasket/seal kit and Honda's other carb parts. Having dealt with questionable quality stuff coming from the Far East for decades, I've only seen it get worse as time progressed. |
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