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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjisj5T0VqEso, is anyone on here going to be the 1st to run out and buy one of these all electric trucks? I hear the 2 large batteries shoehorned in between the frame are both together the size of 2 large mattresses and the biggest thing is they weigh OVER 1800lbs. total just for the 2 batteries. WOW, no weight savings there right? unveiling is VERY soon.... 
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2021, 06:12:36 PM » |
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Didn't you see the news tonight ? POTUS actually drove one yesterday / today at the Ford plant / test range ....
No - I will not be rushing out to buy a POS electric half ton truck. I totally believe that there is no savings of anything to go down that route.
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Lightning is a nice touch (sales pitch). I guess the energizer bunny was already taken. 1800lbs is about the standard weight of a VW beetle. LOL So this one doesn't come with seats?  
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2021, 06:25:42 PM » |
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There's a GIGANTIC amount of money to be made in electric trucks.
I look forward to seeing what the Ford one will be like...
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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2021, 06:29:30 PM » |
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I do my best to never spend a single dollar on anything the left pushes.
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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2021, 07:31:41 PM » |
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I do my best to never spend a single dollar on anything the left pushes.
They like chocolate milkshakes. -Mike |
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2021, 04:25:08 AM » |
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I do my best to never spend a single dollar on anything the left pushes.
They like chocolate milkshakes. -Mike SO do I - but I have always liked them. |
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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2021, 04:32:16 AM » |
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The F-150 lightning was a gas powered truck with a High performance engine in the 90’s. They cant even come up with an original name to call it?  |
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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2021, 05:03:31 AM » |
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I just read a little bit about it. It is a real powerful truck, and is touted to go from 15% charged to 80% charged in 40 minutes or so, if you plug into one of Ford's "many" superchargers. All the pictures make me think they will all be four door short-beds  ... Smart phones do a lot more than make phone calls, and this truck does a lot more than just drive you (quickly and quietly) down the road. The range isn't much... 300 miles at most ... The "contractor" version will "only" cost around $40,000. It won't be long before electric vehicles charge faster, there will be many charging stations and their range will creep up to "driving all day long"... I'd look forward to it if I ever thought I'd be spending sixty or seventy thousand dollars on a vehicle  ... -Mike |
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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2021, 05:51:57 AM » |
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I do my best to never spend a single dollar on anything the left pushes.
They like chocolate milkshakes. -Mike Indeed they do, usually mixed with concrete and hurled into the face of anyone who disagrees with them, a la Andy Ngo...  Back on topic, not for me, but it is interesting... The idea of a pickup with a frunk is intriguing. No engine up front, so they made it a lockable frunk with power outlets and such, so you have an area to secure things on your pickup... ...looks like a nice place for a gun rack to me...  https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-mega-power-frunk-front-trunk/And having the ability to reverse that power from the battery packs back into your house to power your entire house for up to 3 days (10 days if you're an energy miser) in a blackout is intriguing as well... "The Lightning can provide up to 9.6 kW of power output. According to Ford, that's more than enough to fully power a house at any one time, and considering the size of the battery, it could do that for at least three days (based on a daily average of 30 kWh). The automaker says you can make that power last for up to 10 days if you ration the electricity accordingly." https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-intelligent-backup-power-house/But yeah, not something I'll be first in line to buy. Most I've ever paid for a vehicle was $20,500, and even that was a stretch for me, but I really like where things are headed in the electric category. |
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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2021, 06:33:34 AM » |
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40K is apparently the BASE model with 230 mile range, give or take. You have to UPGRADE to get the 300 mile range vehicle but not sure what that will cost, am sure plenty more.
Serk only spending 20.5K on a new (or probably used) vehicle is pretty impressive to me. There are a few new cars you can still get for 20K, but the list keeps dwindling down year after year.
If charging times is not say 8-10 hours overnight needed EVERY single day and no hi-tech special charging stations needed to get say 80% power back in 2-3 hours, it would work for most needs unless longer trips over 300 miles needed. 300 miles driving time is for most around 4 hours and unless going on vacation, it would work for most people's needs. Would sorta suck though in winter if bitterly cold out and you needed to drive it 4 hours and you ran out of juice stuck in the middle of nowhere needing a tow to get to a charging station. My ex-neighbor got a rental Nissan Leaf I believe and was in the bitter cold winter and he barely on all electric power got to work and back in ONE day was worried he said less than 20 percent power left. If you forget to plug in your all electric vehicle nearly EVERY single night (or for me every 2 days), the truck would NOT be driveable and sit in the garage dead to me sorta useless then to spend 40-50K not using it.
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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2021, 06:43:56 AM » |
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If you forget to plug in your all electric vehicle
I forgot to get gas in my 1800 once when I was transitioning over
to not having a reserve...
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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2021, 06:51:43 AM » |
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If you forget to plug in your all electric vehicle
I forgot to get gas in my 1800 once when I was transitioning over
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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2021, 07:00:34 AM » |
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Serk only spending 20.5K on a new (or probably used) vehicle is pretty impressive to me. There are a few new cars you can still get for 20K, but the list keeps dwindling down year after year.
Long story, I'll try to give an abbreviated version - only brand new car I've ever bought (Or likely ever will) back in 2009 found a brand new 2008 (Made in late 2007) Nissan Altima with the 270HP V6 engine and the 6 speed manual transmission sitting on the lot. Turns out the V6 and the 6 speed manual was a custom factory option, VERY rare. (I've since had Nissan dealers and mechanics tell me my car doesn't exist, I'd walk them over and show them, they'd claim it was after market but when they looked noted it was all OEM.) Someone had ordered it, their financing fell through, and it sat on the dealer lot for nearly 2 years. These days most folks who want manuals are after the cheapest car they can get, not a mid level more powerful, not as fuel efficient but fast as stink 4 door sedan. (It pains me to admit it, but this 4 door sedan is way faster than my heavily modified upgraded turbo charger, dyno tuned '93 MR2 Turbo was.) We went and looked at it, it was nearing end of year (So they'd hafta pay extra taxes on it soon), I test drove it and LOVED it, gave my wife the signal and I walked outside and played with a little Kali while the wife, who didn't care one way or another, played hardball with the dealer. Two hours later and we'd signed the paperwork, worked 'em down from around $30k to $20,500 and drove away. ...and ten years after that Kali was learning to drive a manual in that very car, still have it today although the A/C compressor just went out... |
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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2021, 07:02:06 AM » |
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Didn't you see the news tonight ? POTUS actually drove one yesterday / today at the Ford plant / test range ....
No - I will not be rushing out to buy a POS electric half ton truck. I totally believe that there is no savings of anything to go down that route.
I saw a picture which was clipped from the video showing POTUS supposedly driving.. There are two steering wheels in the picture and another guy is actually driving the truck. In the video you can see Biden turning the wheel to the right but the truck doesn't move to the right.  It was just like my kids used to do at Chuck-E-Cheese |
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Didn't you see the news tonight ? POTUS actually drove one yesterday / today at the Ford plant / test range ....
No - I will not be rushing out to buy a POS electric half ton truck. I totally believe that there is no savings of anything to go down that route.
I saw a picture which was clipped from the video showing POTUS supposedly driving.. There are two steering wheels in the picture and another guy is actually driving the truck. In the video you can see Biden turning the wheel to the right but the truck doesn't move to the right. It was just like my kids used to do at Chuck-E-Cheese Mebbe not? https://news.yahoo.com/bizarre-conspiracy-theory-claims-biden-071323497.html |
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Didn't you see the news tonight ? POTUS actually drove one yesterday / today at the Ford plant / test range ....
No - I will not be rushing out to buy a POS electric half ton truck. I totally believe that there is no savings of anything to go down that route.
I saw a picture which was clipped from the video showing POTUS supposedly driving.. There are two steering wheels in the picture and another guy is actually driving the truck. In the video you can see Biden turning the wheel to the right but the truck doesn't move to the right. It was just like my kids used to do at Chuck-E-Cheese Ford built a special truck with 2 steering wheels on the hope that some time in the future Biden would win the election and come to their plant ? (Conspiracy theories abound) |
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« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2021, 08:28:08 AM » |
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Didn't you see the news tonight ? POTUS actually drove one yesterday / today at the Ford plant / test range ....
No - I will not be rushing out to buy a POS electric half ton truck. I totally believe that there is no savings of anything to go down that route.
I saw a picture which was clipped from the video showing POTUS supposedly driving.. There are two steering wheels in the picture and another guy is actually driving the truck. In the video you can see Biden turning the wheel to the right but the truck doesn't move to the right. It was just like my kids used to do at Chuck-E-Cheese Ford built a special truck with 2 steering wheels on the hope that some time in the future Biden would win the election and come to their plant ? (Conspiracy theories abound) Conspiracy theory eh? You can see in the video this vehicle has two steering wheels. Why would the passenger have his hand on the wheel if Biden was actually driving? Biden turns 'his' steering wheel a quarter turn to the right and the vehicle moves slightly to the right then straightens out.. Clearly it's a conspiracy theory. https://rumble.com/vhad4d-joe-biden-caught-fake-driving-his-handlers-try-to-fool-americans-with-stunt.html |
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My son bought one of the new Tesla double engine cars. Looks like a $60,000 toy to me that is the quickest car I've ever seen on the road. 0-60 in a couple seconds. He loves gadgets and this is a big one. He played in the garage with my grandson for hours in the car when they first got it. It is a game system too where you use the steering wheel and pedals in the game.
I would imagine the F150 will be a very quick truck too. Just not sure who wants a truck that can only go 300 miles without hooking up to the wall. He was telling me you have to remember it has brakes. Only in a quick stop situation do you use brakes. Let off the accelerator and it slows and stops and holds at a light without using the brake
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« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2021, 09:16:07 AM » |
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they claim f150 lightning is 0 to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds, not too shabby. Maybe now FORD can stand for First On Race Day vs. Found On Road Dead as is the case maybe with this F150 if going OVER 300 miles per charge....
yah, some of those TESLA cars are not that expensive and running well see usually one per week driving on the road much to my surprise. All I can see from behind if in my truck looking down in is a HUGE massive touch screen the size of a TV in the middle to fiddle with. I have been alongside a few Tesla's and can always tell it is a Tesla since they do not have side door handles like normal cars do and they do not look too bad for a mid-sized sedan and I think used Tesla's can be had for under 30K now or so.
for 40 to say even 50K new for a f150 lightning is not too badly priced considering some gas engined fancier trim levels are 70K msrp.
Serk, 30K msrp back in late 2000's new definitely not cheap for a Nissan 4 door sedan manual. It must have been at the near top trim level at that new msrp pricing. Good deal getting 10K or so off msrp. In 2019 wife looking at new 2019 hyundai tucson 'sport' trim msrp also around 31K we got out the door pricing for 22K so near 10 grand off as well end of model clearancing with HIGH and like 4 different type of rebates at the time was too good to pass up. However, unlike you with the wife wheeling and dealing, that job falls upon me unfortunately. One thing is for sure I will NOT go OUT of state trusting a dealership since prior to that WI Hyundai dealer I found what was suppose to be a new identical sport Tucson at Illinois dealership. I called sales lady prior to coming down 1-2 days prior and she assured me it was NEW and IN stock and even put 500 down to HOLD it for me. Well, got down there and was a LOANER CAR having like 4000 miles on it already NOT NEW and they did NOT even have it on the LOT was out as a LOANER car at the time that Saturday wasting 4 hours of total driving time as well that day. Sales mgr. tried finding an identical priced Tucson sport and after 1 hour of sitting there pissed off, I BARKED AT HIM telling him we are leaving and want my 500 deposit check cut NOW. After that I talked to the President of the company and he was 'sorry' and even offered to send to me a 100 Amazon gift card for their huge mistakes made. I said sure send it to me and he NEVER did. I reported his dealership to BBB and even I think got them off the 'preferred' COSTCO dealer membership for them lying to me.
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« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2021, 09:21:01 AM » |
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If you forget to plug in your all electric vehicle
I forgot to get gas in my 1800 once when I was transitioning over
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oops, 800 plus lbs. sucks to push doesn't it.... luckily we have cell phones to call someone hopefully to get a ride back to get a gas can. I did a fun chore involving some back roads before work that day, I wasn't thinking anything about gas. When I came out after work and started it up I looked down at the trip meter ... HOLY COW ... 230 something miles! It coughed and choked up the hill until the gas station was in sight down a flat straight section... -Mike |
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No - I will not be rushing out to buy a POS electric half ton truck. I totally believe that there is no savings of anything to go down that route.
I saw a picture which was clipped from the video showing POTUS supposedly driving.. There are two steering wheels in the picture and another guy is actually driving the truck. In the video you can see Biden turning the wheel to the right but the truck doesn't move to the right. It was just like my kids used to do at Chuck-E-Cheese Ford built a special truck with 2 steering wheels on the hope that some time in the future Biden would win the election and come to their plant ? (Conspiracy theories abound) Conspiracy theory eh? You can see in the video this vehicle has two steering wheels. Why would the passenger have his hand on the wheel if Biden was actually driving? Biden turns 'his' steering wheel a quarter turn to the right and the vehicle moves slightly to the right then straightens out.. Clearly it's a conspiracy theory. https://rumble.com/vhad4d-joe-biden-caught-fake-driving-his-handlers-try-to-fool-americans-with-stunt.htmlRear wheel steering ? |
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it had 2 wheels in case Biden keels over dead since at times he looks near death on the TV to me...  I still think anyone over age 70 should not be allowed to run for President regardless of what physical or mental condition they are in. Biden is so into energy savings that he had to promote this all electric vehicle. I say what energy savings once the batteries go dead in say 7 years? Plus, the registration for hybrid and all electric vehicles is more each year for renewal fees. I wonder what the energy tax credit savings is on the f-150? I know the Prius when 1st came out had like 2500 or 3K or something like that in tax credits if bought one since my neighbor bought a 2006 Prius new back then and recently clunked out due to age/mileage/too much to fix mechanically after spending 3K or so for refurbished replacement batteries about 5 years ago or so. He only got like 500 bucks trade in needing 3 grand in repairs. I told him for 500 bucks run it into the ground but according to him was not safe to drive as-is. |
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Electric motors are a great power plant for a vehicle, but,,, they have a long way to go yet to get them figured out.
A friends progressive ultra liberal greenie son-in-law has some kind of all electric vehicle. They moved from MN to Fl and rather then tow/trailer that thing down he decided to drive it. He apparently couldn't understand the concept of having to charge that thing along the way. He about doubled the miles and quadrupled the time for the trip. But he's proud that he made the trip all by himself.
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Electric vehicles are the future and likely hydrogen fuel cells as well. Five years ago I was convinced that could never practically happen but the technology and charging station network is increasing exponentially. I have been in the automotive and testing field for most of my career and I have never seen a class of products with such momentum.
If you try and make this a left or right thing your really missing the point. While one party or another may have given things an initial push the momentum is building because of customer demand . I am not just talking about passenger cars and light trucks, we are testing delivery vehicles and over the road semi's. Wait to you see what we are testing next and see groups of over the road trucks with their bumpers a foot apart rolling down the interstate with no one inside. It's coming and likely in most of our lifetime.
The thing that really got my attention about the lightning that in the larger battery capacity option it has more horsepower than my Raptor and like Serk mentioned it can run my entire house for three days. Thats pretty thought provoking to me. I used to say no way I would own an electric vehicle, now I am pretty sure I will own one at some point as that is where the future is heading. I am predicting 10 years from now the automotive market will be very different than it does today and internal combustion gas powered vehicles will be the exception.
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Electric vehicles are the future and likely hydrogen fuel cells as well. Five years ago I was convinced that could never practically happen but the technology and charging station network is increasing exponentially. I have been in the automotive and testing field for most of my career and I have never seen a class of products with such momentum.
If you try and make this a left or right thing your really missing the point. While one party or another may have given things an initial push the momentum is building because of customer demand . I am not just talking about passenger cars and light trucks, we are testing delivery vehicles and over the road semi's. Wait to you see what we are testing next and see groups of over the road trucks with their bumpers a foot apart rolling down the interstate with no one inside. It's coming and likely in most of our lifetime.
The thing that really got my attention about the lightning that in the larger battery capacity option it has more horsepower than my Raptor and like Serk mentioned it can run my entire house for three days. Thats pretty thought provoking to me. I used to say no way I would own an electric vehicle, now I am pretty sure I will own one at some point as that is where the future is heading. I am predicting 10 years from now the automotive market will be very different than it does today and internal combustion gas powered vehicles will be the exception.
Dave, Would love to know more about that testing you're involved in. I remember a few years ago a German company was testing semi's that used a radar tracking system with multiple trucks and trailers following a human driven semi down the road. The lead trailer had a target "painted" on it's ass end and the towing trucks would go where ever it went (driverless). I don't believe these were electric trucks but, things like this are definitely in our future. The biggest issue I see with any or all electric vehicles is limited travel distances and recharging time. I can't see a commercial shipping company (or myself) using a towing vehicle with a 300 mile range and long recharging times. Trucks only make money when they are rolling.  Rams |
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If you try and make this a left or right thing your really missing the point. While one party or another may have given things an initial push the momentum is building because of customer demand . I am not just talking about passenger cars and light trucks, we are testing delivery vehicles and over the road semi's. Wait to you see what we are testing next and see groups of over the road trucks with their bumpers a foot apart rolling down the interstate with no one inside. It's coming and likely in most of our lifetime.
The thing that really got my attention about the lightning that in the larger battery capacity option it has more horsepower than my Raptor and like Serk mentioned it can run my entire house for three days. Thats pretty thought provoking to me. I used to say no way I would own an electric vehicle, now I am pretty sure I will own one at some point as that is where the future is heading. I am predicting 10 years from now the automotive market will be very different than it does today and internal combustion gas powered vehicles will be the exception.
I really am just guessing here, but I really do not see the gas engine being the exception in our lifetime (say 20 more years for most of us on average as a rough guess) let alone in only 10 years. I am not so sure either that 'customer demand' is pushing all electric either. Everyone I know says NOT for them. Until they can put charging stations and enough of them off interstates mainly for LONG distance trips every 100-200 miles and able to recharge in 2-3 hours say up to 80% capacity, will NOT happen in our lifetime where electric vehicles overtake the gas engine. Electric/gas combined is a GREAT idea, but NOT ALL ELECTRIC. right now you cannot take trips then for more than 3-4 hours without recharging. I think most of us take every year at least a few (and if like me dozens) of 300 mile and longer trips? Gotta go, get ready today for our near 3 hour trip on my GAS engined vehicle today...  |
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If you try and make this a left or right thing your really missing the point. While one party or another may have given things an initial push the momentum is building because of customer demand . I am not just talking about passenger cars and light trucks, we are testing delivery vehicles and over the road semi's. Wait to you see what we are testing next and see groups of over the road trucks with their bumpers a foot apart rolling down the interstate with no one inside. It's coming and likely in most of our lifetime.
The thing that really got my attention about the lightning that in the larger battery capacity option it has more horsepower than my Raptor and like Serk mentioned it can run my entire house for three days. Thats pretty thought provoking to me. I used to say no way I would own an electric vehicle, now I am pretty sure I will own one at some point as that is where the future is heading. I am predicting 10 years from now the automotive market will be very different than it does today and internal combustion gas powered vehicles will be the exception.
I really am just guessing here, but I really do not see the gas engine being the exception in our lifetime (say 20 more years for most of us on average as a rough guess) let alone in only 10 years. I am not so sure either that 'customer demand' is pushing all electric either. Everyone I know says NOT for them. Until they can put charging stations and enough of them off interstates mainly for LONG distance trips every 100-200 miles and able to recharge in 2-3 hours say up to 80% capacity, will NOT happen in our lifetime where electric vehicles overtake the gas engine. Electric/gas combined is a GREAT idea, but NOT ALL ELECTRIC. right now you cannot take trips then for more than 3-4 hours without recharging. I think most of us take every year at least a few (and if like me dozens) of 300 mile and longer trips? Gotta go, get ready today for our near 3 hour trip on my GAS engined vehicle today... There are currently over the road semis under test that can run twice as long as you have stated on a single charge and re-charge more quickly than you might think. Your understanding of the current technology is relatively accurate but things are accelerating quickly. At one point I think it simply won't make sense to have a conventional internal combustion engine with the possible exception of a small one on board that kicks in if you run out of battery. Hydrogen fuel cells seem like they may be a really good option in the future as well as they get fueled up like a typical vehicle now but then turn the hydrogen into electricity in the fuel cell and it would be the same electric vehicle underneath. Rams, these "road trains" would eventually utilize multiple integrated systems including radar, cameras, advanced sensors and gps working together as well as inter connectivity of the multiple units that sync them all together. Do I think this will happen in the next 5 years? Likely not but I am sure the technology will continue to improve very quickly. Electric motorcycles? Definitely. I rode one and it was instant torque and accelerated as hard as any sport bike I have ridden. I think they will get more popular in the next few years as well, especially with the younger folks. |
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They already claim from 15% charged to 80% charged in 40 minutes for this truck. They're pouring money into charging stations... all kinds of green stuff, really... Green Finance Goes Mainstream, Lining Up Trillions Behind Global Energy Transition Headline of a long WSJ article today... -Mike |
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Didn't you see the news tonight ? POTUS actually drove one yesterday / today at the Ford plant / test range ....
No - I will not be rushing out to buy a POS electric half ton truck. I totally believe that there is no savings of anything to go down that route.
I saw a picture which was clipped from the video showing POTUS supposedly driving.. There are two steering wheels in the picture and another guy is actually driving the truck. In the video you can see Biden turning the wheel to the right but the truck doesn't move to the right. It was just like my kids used to do at Chuck-E-Cheese Ford built a special truck with 2 steering wheels on the hope that some time in the future Biden would win the election and come to their plant ? (Conspiracy theories abound) Conspiracy theory eh? You can see in the video this vehicle has two steering wheels. Why would the passenger have his hand on the wheel if Biden was actually driving? Biden turns 'his' steering wheel a quarter turn to the right and the vehicle moves slightly to the right then straightens out.. Clearly it's a conspiracy theory. https://rumble.com/vhad4d-joe-biden-caught-fake-driving-his-handlers-try-to-fool-americans-with-stunt.htmlRear wheel steering ? |
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I'm not ready to consider an all electric vehicle. And I just don't believe that millions of people are waiting to buy them as well. I wouldn't consider an all electric vehicle until they can travel 400 mi on a charge and recharge in 20 minutes or less. Since that is what I can do with any gas powered vehicle. I recently purchased a 2021 Honda CRV. I was going to get a hybrid for the increased mpg's. I was signing the paperwork when I asked about adding a tow hitch. The answer was that if I added a hitch it would void the factory warranty. It seems that Honda is against anyone towing with their hybrid vehicles. The look on the salesman's face was priceless when I told him to stop filling out the papers because I wasn't going to buy an SUV that I couldn't tow with. He seemed very relieved when I told him to show me the regular models that he had in stock. |
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Didn't you see the news tonight ? POTUS actually drove one yesterday / today at the Ford plant / test range ....
No - I will not be rushing out to buy a POS electric half ton truck. I totally believe that there is no savings of anything to go down that route.
I saw a picture which was clipped from the video showing POTUS supposedly driving.. There are two steering wheels in the picture and another guy is actually driving the truck. In the video you can see Biden turning the wheel to the right but the truck doesn't move to the right. It was just like my kids used to do at Chuck-E-Cheese Ford built a special truck with 2 steering wheels on the hope that some time in the future Biden would win the election and come to their plant ? (Conspiracy theories abound) Conspiracy theory eh? You can see in the video this vehicle has two steering wheels. Why would the passenger have his hand on the wheel if Biden was actually driving? Biden turns 'his' steering wheel a quarter turn to the right and the vehicle moves slightly to the right then straightens out.. Clearly it's a conspiracy theory. https://rumble.com/vhad4d-joe-biden-caught-fake-driving-his-handlers-try-to-fool-americans-with-stunt.htmlRear wheel steering ? I have a GMC that steers with all 4 wheels. |
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Electric motors are a great power plant for a vehicle, but,,, they have a long way to go yet to get them figured out.
A friends progressive ultra liberal greenie son-in-law has some kind of all electric vehicle. They moved from MN to Fl and rather then tow/trailer that thing down he decided to drive it. He apparently couldn't understand the concept of having to charge that thing along the way. He about doubled the miles and quadrupled the time for the trip. But he's proud that he made the trip all by himself.
Could it be that the left wants to force us into electric vehicles in order to limit our mobility? This is a great example of how hard it would be to travel freely if electric vehicles were our only option. People Sheep are much easier to control if you can keep them corralled. |
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« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2021, 09:39:25 AM » |
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If you try and make this a left or right thing your really missing the point. While one party or another may have given things an initial push the momentum is building because of customer demand . I am not just talking about passenger cars and light trucks, we are testing delivery vehicles and over the road semi's. Wait to you see what we are testing next and see groups of over the road trucks with their bumpers a foot apart rolling down the interstate with no one inside. It's coming and likely in most of our lifetime.
The thing that really got my attention about the lightning that in the larger battery capacity option it has more horsepower than my Raptor and like Serk mentioned it can run my entire house for three days. Thats pretty thought provoking to me. I used to say no way I would own an electric vehicle, now I am pretty sure I will own one at some point as that is where the future is heading. I am predicting 10 years from now the automotive market will be very different than it does today and internal combustion gas powered vehicles will be the exception.
I really am just guessing here, but I really do not see the gas engine being the exception in our lifetime (say 20 more years for most of us on average as a rough guess) let alone in only 10 years. I am not so sure either that 'customer demand' is pushing all electric either. Everyone I know says NOT for them. Until they can put charging stations and enough of them off interstates mainly for LONG distance trips every 100-200 miles and able to recharge in 2-3 hours say up to 80% capacity, will NOT happen in our lifetime where electric vehicles overtake the gas engine. Electric/gas combined is a GREAT idea, but NOT ALL ELECTRIC. right now you cannot take trips then for more than 3-4 hours without recharging. I think most of us take every year at least a few (and if like me dozens) of 300 mile and longer trips? Gotta go, get ready today for our near 3 hour trip on my GAS engined vehicle today... There are currently over the road semis under test that can run twice as long as you have stated on a single charge and re-charge more quickly than you might think. Your understanding of the current technology is relatively accurate but things are accelerating quickly. At one point I think it simply won't make sense to have a conventional internal combustion engine with the possible exception of a small one on board that kicks in if you run out of battery. Hydrogen fuel cells seem like they may be a really good option in the future as well as they get fueled up like a typical vehicle now but then turn the hydrogen into electricity in the fuel cell and it would be the same electric vehicle underneath. Rams, these "road trains" would eventually utilize multiple integrated systems including radar, cameras, advanced sensors and gps working together as well as inter connectivity of the multiple units that sync them all together. Do I think this will happen in the next 5 years? Likely not but I am sure the technology will continue to improve very quickly. Electric motorcycles? Definitely. I rode one and it was instant torque and accelerated as hard as any sport bike I have ridden. I think they will get more popular in the next few years as well, especially with the younger folks. Interesting information. I honestly don't care which (diesel or electric) I use, I simply need to be able to get where I need to go with the least down time and expense getting there. My BIL is an engineer with Cummins, he tells me they are working on an "electric version" to eventually replace some (if not all) of their engines. I think everyone realizes this will happen at some point in the future. Rams |
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