Interesting Testimony on EVs Before House Committee Nov 17, 2021

[carolinarider09]

Some data from the article linked below. 

Electric Vehicles On Collision Course With Reality

Some people, not all of them liberals, think that electric vehicles are the wave of the future, part of an inevitable “green” revolution. But the facts suggest otherwise.

My friend Robert Bryce testified before a House committee yesterday on the subject of electric vehicles. Robert is one of the country’s most knowledgeable experts on energy, and I encourage you to read his entire testimony. Here are some highlights as summarized by him:

* EVs are cool. They are not new. The history of EVs is a century of failure tailgating failure. In 1911, the New York Times said that the electric car “has long been recognized as the ideal solution.” In 1990, the California Air Resources Board mandated 10% of car sales be zero-emission vehicles by 2003. Today, 31 years later, only about 6% of the cars in California have an electric plug.

* The average household income for EV buyers is about $140,000. That’s roughly two times the U.S. average. And yet, federal EV tax credits force low- and middle-income taxpayers to subsidize the Benz and Beemer crowd.

https://principia-scientific.com/electric-vehicles-on-collision-course-with-reality/

[Avanti]

The link does not work for me.

[carolinarider09]

Ok... So I clicked on the link and it came up. 

Here it is another link.  Its from House.gov so its a document not a story based the information given.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/CN/CN00/20210630/112853/HHRG-117-CN00-Wstate-BryceR-20210630.pdf

Another link, same story/information.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/07/electric-vehicles-on-collision-course-with-reality-2.php

[scooperhsd]

EV's - maybe around town, but I would not want to take one on the road, like out here in KANSAS. I do see the occaisional Tesla around here, but KC is a fairly good sized metro area.

Far as I know, most EV charging stations are close to Interstates - and there is an area in Southwest Ks that is 200+ miles in any direction from ANY Interstate.

[carolinarider09]

I have not put this out there before, but just for grins, lets assume we go all electric by 2035. 

What does this mean.  As a minimum every hotel and motel will have to have charging stations for their customers.  This means bigger transformers and power supplies, digging up the parking lots....

The cost will be enormous and you and I will be charge for it in increased lodging costs.

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https://www.amazon.com/Who-Killed-Electric-Martin-Sheen/dp/B087GTS4Z8

In 1996, electric cars began to appear on roads all over California. They were quiet and fast, produced no exhaust and ran without gasoline...........Ten years later, these cars were destroyed.
A lack of consumer confidence... or conspiracy?

[F6Dave]

I wish more people would raise these issues. Friends have told me they're considering an EV.  But when I ask them how we're going to charge millions of new vehicles (not to mention water heaters, appliances, heat pumps, etc.) with a grid that's barely adequate now, I get a blank stare.

One thing is obvious: wind and solar won't get it done, even after receiving hundreds of billions in subsidies. In 1980 fossil fuels contributed about 84% to worldwide energy consumption. Today that figure has dropped by LESS THAN 1 PERCENT!

So why haven’t wind and solar made a dent in fossil fuel consumption? The biggest reason is global energy demand, which is growing so fast that all those new wind and solar farms can’t even keep up with the increase. And since environmental activists also hate nuclear, fossil fuels have to handle the growth. Global oil consumption is now at a record 100 MILLION BARRELS PER DAY! Except for a brief drop in 2020, consumption has been steadily increasing for decades by about a million barrels per day every year.

So if politicians succeed in forcing the mass adoption of EVs, where will we find enough electricity to charge them? The most likely answer is there won't be enough. We’ll have rationing, and the freedom of mobility we now enjoy will be restricted.

This is already happening in the UK. Starting in May of 2022, recent legislation will mandate EV charging ports in new residential and commercial construction. These will be ‘smart’ chargers, which means they’ll automatically shut off between 8 and 11 AM, between 4 and 10 PM, and at random 30 minute periods when demand is high. That’s effectively rationing, and it’s probably already under consideration in a large city near you.

The extremists now in control of the democrat party hate your freedom of mobility nearly as much as they hate your freedom to own a firearm. They're working hard to restrict your ability to travel where you want, when you want.

[carolinarider09]

The extremists now in control of the democrat party hate your freedom of mobility nearly as much as they hate your freedom to own a firearm. They're working hard to restrict your ability to travel where you want, when you want.

You know, I had not considered that but it is true.  Mass transit lets them control you.  Shut down the buses, trains, ect and you are limited where you can go. 

UNLESS YOU ARE AN ANOINTED ONE (aka Democrat "Leader").  Then you may fly, boat, drive anywhere you wish. 

 

[F6Dave]

The extremists now in control of the democrat party hate your freedom of mobility nearly as much as they hate your freedom to own a firearm. They're working hard to restrict your ability to travel where you want, when you want.

You know, I had not considered that but it is true.  Mass transit lets them control you.  Shut down the buses, trains, ect and you are limited where you can go. 

UNLESS YOU ARE AN ANOINTED ONE (aka Democrat "Leader").  Then you may fly, boat, drive anywhere you wish. 

 

I never thought about the freedom of mobility until I read a newspaper editorial several years ago. The writer made a great point with a story about taking his girlfriend on a date in college in his old, well worn Datsun. At a traffic light his girlfriend looked at the Mercedes next to them and said "isn't that guy lucky?"

His reply was classic. "What's the big deal? I can go anywhere he can go!" Then he went on to praise the virtues of living in a country where you can get in your vehicle and drive hundreds of miles to go wherever you want, whenever you want. You don't need government permission, and you don't have to ride on a crowded 'public conveyance' and adapt your schedule to theirs.

Places like Route 66 and the Lincoln Highway are symbols of a unique American freedom that many take for granted. As motorcyclists I think we get that, but some view our passion as wasteful and destructive. Big cities around the country are implementing 'Road Diets' and 'Vision Zero' programs to make driving so inconvenient that people give up their personal vehicles in favor of transit. We'd be naive to think we're immune from these attacks.

[scooperhsd]

Only the largest cities can do a real, practical mass transit . And then only if they planned ahead for it or spend millions / billions on building it out.

[VALKMAN]

Well I think better batteries will help make EVs better in the future. I just started working at QuantumScape which is revolutionizing Solid State Lithium Batteries.

Check it out!!!!

https://www.quantumscape.com/

 

[F6Dave]

Only the largest cities can do a real, practical mass transit . And then only if they planned ahead for it or spend millions / billions on building it out.

True, but environmental zealots hate personal transportation even in the suburbs and flyover country. So if they can't limit travel by forcing people onto transit, maybe EVs with rationed charging could get it done. I never thought this was even possible until recently, but it's happening. Just look at the 'infrastructure' bill.

[scooperhsd]

You know what ? I DON'T CARE what the enviromental zealots think. AFAIC they are not living in the real world away from big cities.

[3fan4life]

The real purpose of all this EV BS is to limit the mobility of the public.

It's much easier to convince people that the people on the "other" side of the mountain are evil, if no-one can cross the mountain and check them out for themselves.

If you can keep the masses divided they are much easier to control.

Pretty soon if you want to travel anywhere you'll be hearing someone say, "Papers Please".

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Written in 2010

http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2010/ph240/eason2/


How Much Lithium We Need

Lithium-ion electric vehicles can be designed with a large variation of battery capacities, so I will (somewhat arbitrarily) base my analysis on the Nissan Leaf electric car, which has a 24 kW·h battery. [11] There are electric cars with smaller batteries than the Leaf (e.g., Chevrolet Volt) and larger batteries (e.g., Tesla Model S), so the Leaf's battery strikes a rough median. Every 10 kW·h requires 1 kg of lithium, so it takes at least 2.4 kg of lithium to make this battery.

If all other lithium industries suddenly evaporated, we could imagine using the entire world lithium production to make nothing but Nissan Leafs. At 2 × 107 kg of lithium per year, we can make 8.3 million of them. Using all 9.9 × 109 kg of the world's lithium reserves, we can make 4.1 billion Leafs; using all the identified lithium resources (2.55 × 1010 kg), we can make 10.6 billion Leafs.

If we would like to have a North American standard of living for everyone in the world – say, 1 car for every 2 people – then we would need about 3.4 billion Nissan Leafs. This would use 32% of the identified resources (all known lithium in the world), or 82% of the reserves (all lithium that is currently economic to produce). Even with widespread recycling, that seems like an unsustainable prospect.

Remember that the limits on battery capacity are fundamental. The only ways this percentage can go down are:

    Battery capacity exceeds 73% of the theoretical maximum (unlikely)
    New deposits of lithium are discovered and made economic (unknowable)
    Smaller lithium-ion batteries are used (shorter range)
    Fewer cars are built with lithium-ion batteries.

This suggests to me that if all the world's cars are going to be made electric, it is likely that a mixture of battery technologies will be used. It is certainly possible to build millions of electric vehicles with lithium-ion batteries, but it may not be possible to make billions of them.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium