US consumers aren't buying electric cars -

[scooperhsd]

https://www.wired.com/story/evs-us-investment/?utm_source=pocket&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pockethits

And why should we ? range problems (especially here in flyover country) , lack of charging facilities (again, especially here in flyover country). plus the plain fact that nobody wants to address - all you're doing with electric cars is place-shifting where the pollution is made.

[hubcapsc]

Elon Musk’s electric-vehicle maker posted a $5.5 billion annual profit on $53.8 billion of sales last
year, after increasing vehicle deliveries at its fastest pace in years.

Tesla delivered more than 936,000 vehicles globally last year

Ford and GM aren't really making/selling them at scale, yet... but there's likely
going to be a TON of their pickup trucks on the road in the next few years.

-Mike

[Moonshot_1]

I am just shocked. Shocked. Low voltage, but still shocked.

[cookiedough]

ford and gm trucks all electric say 300 miles range.  Am sure that is tested under 'ideal' driving conditions.  I wonder how long they last mileage wise when below zero for a week straight driving?  I bet 200 mile range or so only before needing charged up.   I think to get 220 service wired on separate circuit in your garage is over 1 grand as well so can fully charge them overnight since standard house circuit will not cut it.

I have not researched them fully, but both the base model ford and GM all electric trucks are around 40K which is just as cheap as most 'gas' versions on their full sized trucks.  Not sure on the FULL range though if base model.  I do know the 'fancy' versions reach 100K though which for most of us out of the question.

[old2soon]

     well hellz bellz lets just roll out the gubmint subsidies! and gubmint do dat I want my house wired for them I want 2 and I want a GUARaNTEE it will take me no longer to travel the 540 miles to my Brothers than it do now. Yup yoy heard me-gubmint GUARANTEED  money! Whatyamean "they" can't/won't/refuse to give a Citizen gubmint money?  RIDE SAFE.

[POPS 57]

I wonder if they will end up like electric golf carts. When the batteries go south the carts are worth next to nothing.

[carolinarider09]

I apologize in advance for the long post. 

So, there are 300,000,000 million cars in the US (well that is what a search and graph said).  

There are about 1,446 Billion cars in the world.  

You said Tesla delivered more than 936,000 vehicles globally last year.  Lets say they were all delivered here in the US.  So, Telsa delivered 1,000,000 (rounded up) cars in the US and that means that in 300 years all the cars in the U.S. will be electric.  

Lets say, the others, Ford, GM.....   are selling electric cars (I can add hybrids to the list even though they are not really "electric" cars.)  So.....another website says.  

Nearly 5.4 million hybrid electric vehicles and over 1.4 million plug-in electric vehicles have sold since they came on the market in 1999 and 2010, respectively. (from 2020).   That means in 20 years  about 7 million electric cars and hybrids have been sold in the US.  

Again, doing the math 300,000,000 million cars in the US being replaced with Hybrids and plug-ins at the rated above, means in 42 plus years all the cars will be electric or hybrid.  

Lets go one step further and double the number or cars sold and replaced per year,  In year one its 2 million, year two, 4, then 8, then 16, the 32, then 64, 132.  That means in 7 years there will be 258 million electric cars on the road.  

Now, the interesting thing is that this highly unlikely to occur.  

Next you have the infrastructure issue.  Car charging stations at motels, restaurants, ect. and the phasing out of regular fueling stations (what about truck stops and diesel fueled trucks?)

Next you have the notion of re-charge time.  Taking a trip.  Getting 400 miles per charge.....

From KBB webpage

Charging times may vary due to several factors. What is your power source? How much power can your electric car handle? How can drivers charge their vehicles and get back on the road more quickly? Depending on an electric vehicle power source and battery capacity, drivers can charge their cars in as little as 30 minutes.

Unfortunately, that isn’t the standard. Most drivers will need about a couple of days (roughly 40 hours) to charge a fully depleted electric car battery if they use the standard three-prong plugs found in mobile devices, laptops, and the walls of most homes.

Now, it is assumed that charging times can be over come but lets just drop back to what happens today.  

I get. lets say, 400 miles to a tank in my car.   I can stop and fill up at 3/4's empty and fill my car up in about 5 minutes.  With time to stop and start, that means total time for stopping is something less than 10 minutes (more like 7 or so).  

Now, I have an electric car and I have one that can be fast charged.  It will now take me 30 plus minutes (at the best) to charge my car and continue on my trip.  

Then there is the issue of these fast charging stations and where they get the power from.  Does it come from nuclear, fossil, hydro, solar, wind,      But no matter, what are the wiring requirements for the station, what is the infrastructure requirements.  

What about tractor trailer trucks?  In 2015 (7 years ago) MIT said the 3% of heavy trucks will be electric by 2025 (its 2022).   So,,,,,, what percentage of heavy trucks are electric today????  Can't find the data.

Summation, yes, there will be changes in the power source used for cars, trucks, busses, boats, trains over the coming years.  But it will not happen in 20 years or 30 years.  

My prediction is that as electric cars become more prominent and the infrastructure changes to support them (which will probably be by "decree") they will become more sought after.  

Summation, will electric cars be the major mode of transportation in 30 years?  Maybe.  In 10 years, nope.  

[Oss]

Like pet rocks,

it will not be the future

It is just the shiny object


That said, electric bikes, scooters etc and huge in the Bronx.  They obey no traffic laws and get no tickets and park on the sidewalk with impunity

I would not mind an electric mountain bike so when I am tired I can just flick a switch and get home

[carolinarider09]

Power consumption - needed infrastructure to support all electric fleet.    

Since Texas and California consume more electricity than any other states, they provide a good snapshot of what a future filled with electric vehicles might look like. In both cases, an increase in EVs would drive consumption higher, with the potential to strain local infrastructure.

If virtually all passenger cars in Texas were electrified today, the state would need approximately 110 more terawatt-hours of electricity per year — the average annual electricity consumption of 11 million homes. The added electricity demand would result in a 30 percent increase over current consumption in Texas.

By comparison, because of a more temperate climate, California might require nearly 50 percent more electricity than it currently consumes if passenger vehicles in the state were fully electrified. That means California would need to generate an additional 120 terawatt-hours of electricity per year.

https://www.inverse.com/article/51486-electric-cars-demand-better-infrastructure

Yes, electric cars and similar vehicles will gain more and more popularity.   But,......  fully electric cars and trucks will be few and far between.

The new Ford Maverick is a Hybrid.  What's a Hybrid?

Quite simply, a hybrid combines at least one electric motor with a gasoline engine to move the car, and its system recaptures energy via regenerative braking. Sometimes the electric motor does all the work, sometimes it's the gas engine, and sometimes they work together. The result is less gasoline burned and, therefore, better fuel economy. Adding electric power can even boost performance in certain instances.

With all of them, electricity comes from a high-voltage battery pack (separate from the car's conventional 12-volt battery) that's replenished by capturing energy from deceleration that's typically lost to heat generated by the brakes in conventional cars. (This happens through the regenerative braking system.) Hybrids also use the gas engine to charge and maintain the battery. Car companies use different hybrid designs to accomplish different missions, ranging from maximum fuel savings to keeping the vehicle's cost as low as possible.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a26390899/what-is-hybrid-car/

[hubcapsc]

You said Tesla delivered more than 936,000 vehicles globally last year.  Lets say they were all delivered here in the US.  So, Telsa delivered 1,000,000 (rounded up) cars in the US and that means that in 300 years all the cars in the U.S. will be electric. 

Tesla reported it, I didn't say it. Tesla doesn't break down their sales per country, so let's not say how
many were sold in the US. Ford sold 500,000 vehicles in the US in the last quarter of 2021. The number
of cars Tesla is selling per year is already the same order of magnitude as Ford. Ford is building production
to sell hundreds of thousands of electric vehicles per year by next year. They've had to stop taking
pre-orders because they know they can't make them fast enough.

-Mike

[Patrick]

Electric vehicles will probably be in every garage some day, but, it'll take awhile for them to get them figured out.

Some folks I know refuse to believe the overall cost and that they actually do pollute. They won't consider where that electricity comes from. Or that our current state of our electric grid can't handle that load.

A lady near here was charged $5K for her charge station. Yep, I think she was ripped off.

One of the main problems is that right now there are 4 different charge plugs that will not interchange. So you have to find the correct charge station and then wait for a half hour for a partial charge. That really instills confidence. Most other countries have standardized charge plugs. Our countries manufacturers are just competing to see who will win out.

[old2soon]

     Where EXACTLY will all the needed rare earths come from for battery construction? Will some of it none of it or all of it be recyclable? How many times can any of these batteries be rapid charged and How will rapid charging effect the life cycle of these batteries? Most of us wrench types here KNOW batteries discharge more rapidly when COLDER temps prevail. Also will the bulk of the needed battries be built in AMERICA or will our batteries come from a communist socialist country? ?s?s?s?s!  RIDE SAFE.

[Jess from VA]

I've had three electric drills.  That's it for me.

I have around 25 carburetors in my sheds.  (and 25 gallons of no corn in them too)

[hubcapsc]

     Where EXACTLY will all the needed rare earths come from for battery construction? Will some of it none of it or all of it be recyclable? How many times can any of these batteries be rapid charged and How will rapid charging effect the life cycle of these batteries? Most of us wrench types here KNOW batteries discharge more rapidly when COLDER temps prevail. Also will the bulk of the needed battries be built in AMERICA or will our batteries come from a communist socialist country? ?s?s?s?s!  RIDE SAFE.

Materials in lithium-ion batteries are recoverable and recyclable over and over.
When there are enough batteries in circulation, it would be cheaper to recycle the
batteries than pay China to mine the raw materials in Bolivia. A bright side of covid
and supply chain disruptions hopefully will be a move away from getting
everything from China.

There's a Tesla battery factory in the USA. They don't call it a GIGAfactory for nothing.



There are 13 new battery cell gigafactories coming online in the US by 2025, according to the
Department of Energy.

-Mike

[Sorcerer]

I wonder why the have that factory built in a containment bowl.

[Savago]

I think that e-vehicles may become the future if makers address its two main issues: price & autonomy.

For the first, maybe the economies of scale can help. For the second, battery technology will have to improve.

What I like about electric vehicles is that if you have solar panels in your house (which I'm planning to install hopefully soon), that makes you more resilient against external events (e.g. wars in Middle East, broken pipelines, hurricanes near oil plants, etc).

Not to mention that we could finally stop giving money to foreign nations that are clearly not our allies.

It is possible to make a functional and performant electric truck (the Ford F-150 lightning looks pretty awesome).

There are these two videos where they tested a Rivian (https://rivian.com/) for farm duty:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XuvwkIxrXw

And compared it against a Tundra TRD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP0rHTiCKQ8

Designed and made in California (just like the Teslas). What is not to like?
:-)

[DIGGER]

 I think to get 220 service wired on separate circuit in your garage is over 1 grand as well so can fully charge them overnight since standard house circuit will not cut it.

[/quote]

A 220v 60amp ckt x 2 for each house that has 2 cars will crash the electrical grid.

[hubcapsc]

A 220v 60amp ckt x 2 for each house that has 2 cars will crash the electrical grid.

Two light bulbs in each house would crash the electrical grid in 1910... fortunately
the grid is not static. Two extra 220s would require me to get another service
connection though...

-Mike

[Patrick]

I don't know too much about about these electric vehicles, but, the batteries were not recyclable awhile back. If that is changing, its a good and needed thing.

But as mentioned, our electric needs a major rebuild right now. It'll certainly need a lot more for these vehicles.

[hubcapsc]

the batteries were not recyclable awhile back.

No infrastructure in place, I think. Here's an IEEE article
about battery recycling infrastructure...

https://spectrum.ieee.org/lithiumion-battery-recycling-finally-takes-off-in-north-america-and-europe

-Mike

[Skinhead]

[sarcasm]Well, I don't see a problem,[/sarcasm] but consider holiday weekend travel.  You want to visit family/friends 1000-1500 miles away for Memorial Day, July 4, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, Christmas, etc.  Hundreds of thousands will be driving electric vehicles and will require a recharge every 250-300 miles if no traffic issues.  So you pull into the Pilot, Flying J, or other "energy" station to recharge, and all the recharging stations are full with other travelers recharging, in fact there are 2 vehicles at each "pump" waiting to fill up.  What does that do to your travel time?  

I probably won't be driving by the time this nightmare becomes reality, but if I were, I would not buy an electric vehicle until the Mr. Fusion and flux capacitor is perfected so I can just throw my banana peels in it and go.

[old2soon]

[sarcasm]Well, I don't see a problem,[/sarcasm] but consider holiday weekend travel.  You want to visit family/friends 1000-1500 miles away for Memorial Day, July 4, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, Christmas, etc.  Hundreds of thousands will be driving electric vehicles and will require a recharge every 250-300 miles if no traffic issues.  So you pull into the Pilot, Flying J, or other "energy" station to recharge, and all the recharging stations are full with other travelers recharging, in fact there are 2 vehicles at each "pump" waiting to fill up.  What does that do to your travel time?  

I probably won't be driving by the time this nightmare becomes reality, but if I were, I would not buy an electric vehicle until the Mr. Fusion and flux capacitor is perfected so I can just throw my banana peels in it and go.

         I have waited at a gas pump BUT once at the gas pump NOT That LONG to fill what ever I was on or in. I put in about 220 gallons into my big truck and near 200 a bunch of times. From pulling up to the pump pumping fuel pulling up so next truck could fuel going in signing ticket going back to truck and either leaving or parking the Longest it generally took was 15 20 minutes. In my cage or Phatt Ghurl maybe 10 minutes max. Thinkin NO WAY NO HOW to git a recharge that quickly. And how on earth could anyone bring me an hour of recharge to git me to the next recharge point? RIDE SAFE.

[hubcapsc]

You want to visit family/friends 1000-1500 miles away for Memorial Day, July 4, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, Christmas, etc.  Hundreds of thousands will be driving electric vehicles and will require a recharge every 250-300 miles if no traffic issues.

https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a32081802/tesla-model-3-road-trip/

Carolyn's hybrid only goes about 30 miles on pure electric before it needs a l-o-n-g
recharge. She mostly uses it in town and gets a ludicrous number of miles
per gallon of gas after she averages it out. I live in Seneca (pronounced Sin-ih-ker)
South Carolina and there's a charging station at the grocery store. You and me will probably
still be riding our carbureted Valkyres to the Fall Color ride when Teslas (and others) will
have improved to where they can go 800 miles and charge up in 15 minutes... I think they'll be there
in just a handful of years.

-Mike "oh wait, you got one of those new fangled fuel injection bikes..."

[cookiedough]

I love the video where the TESLA owner blows up his car since will cost way too much to replace being no good anymore.    Am sure is rare, but will happen more and more as these all electric cars come into play.

It intrigues me but not to the point I would ever consider owning one.   Hybrids now are all over and let us just see how they go for the next 5+ years since nearly all mfgs. will have hybrids to buy in the next year or so.  Prius made a good one I think starting in 2006 and my neighbor bought one in 2007 and the original batteries lasted about 150K miles and about 10 years or so.  Few years ago he replaced the batteries with 'refurbished batteries' for around 2500 bucks total installed from a local company who swapped them out.  He drove on those batteries a few years and recently traded the prius in around 200K miles since needed other major work done to it non-battery related only getting I think like 2K trade in for it.  Sorta bad for him spending 2500 on batteries then few years later not wanting to spend 3K plus on other stuff needing fixing non battery related only to get 2K trade in.

That Prius though only cost around 22K to purchase back in 2007 not that much more than say a 18K toyota corolla.  I still do not think he got his 22K out of it in gas savings since a similar corolla probably would have lasted just as long 4K cheaper to purchase.

For those living in bigger cities or heavy traffic areas not requiring speeds much over 30 mph those electric bicycles are becoming VERY popular.  My ex neighbor whom NEVER biked before bought one for 1600 bucks (OUCH) and top speed is pushing 30 mph and that is darn fast on a bicycle with about a 20 mile range good enough for most city commuters daily.  Still too much dough for me but sure beats pedaling all the time at tops 10 mph for a good 6 miles or so which I still can do all on my Schwinn 21 speed NON motorized bicycle new around 150 bucks that is over 15 years old on 2nd set of tires/tubes.

I also see these new electric stand up scooters as well and wonder how legal those are to drive on sidewalks or streets that are capable as well to go 20 mph or so for several miles?  We have one long time electric scooter for the kids when younger with back then a mile range or so went 12 mph or so plenty fast enough for putzing in town and not too sure even in my 1000 person town was technically 'legal' to ride on the streets for kids ages 5-10 or so.

[Skinhead]

You want to visit family/friends 1000-1500 miles away for Memorial Day, July 4, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, Christmas, etc.  Hundreds of thousands will be driving electric vehicles and will require a recharge every 250-300 miles if no traffic issues.

https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a32081802/tesla-model-3-road-trip/

Carolyn's hybrid only goes about 30 miles on pure electric before it needs a l-o-n-g
recharge. She mostly uses it in town and gets a ludicrous number of miles
per gallon of gas after she averages it out. I live in Seneca (pronounced Sin-ih-ker)
South Carolina and there's a charging station at the grocery store. You and me will probably
still be riding our carbureted Valkyres to the Fall Color ride when Teslas (and others) will
have improved to where they can go 800 miles and charge up in 15 minutes... I think they'll be there
in just a handful of years.

-Mike "oh wait, you got one of those new fangled fuel injection bikes..."

Even 15 min each when there are 3 vehicles line up is too long for me.  My time is impotent!  (spelled as intended for effect)

-Joe "I still have the bike with 6 carbs"

[cookiedough]

You want to visit family/friends 1000-1500 miles away for Memorial Day, July 4, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, Christmas, etc.  Hundreds of thousands will be driving electric vehicles and will require a recharge every 250-300 miles if no traffic issues.

https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a32081802/tesla-model-3-road-trip/

Carolyn's hybrid only goes about 30 miles on pure electric before it needs a l-o-n-g
recharge. She mostly uses it in town and gets a ludicrous number of miles
per gallon of gas after she averages it out. I live in Seneca (pronounced Sin-ih-ker)
South Carolina and there's a charging station at the grocery store. You and me will probably
still be riding our carbureted Valkyres to the Fall Color ride when Teslas (and others) will
have improved to where they can go 800 miles and charge up in 15 minutes... I think they'll be there
in just a handful of years.

-Mike "oh wait, you got one of those new fangled fuel injection bikes..."

Even 15 min each when there are 3 vehicles line up is too long for me.  My time is impotent!  (spelled as intended for effect)

-Joe "I still have the bike with 6 carbs"

I agree,  I get my gas usually if I can at Costco since usually about 10 cents per gallon cheaper than anywhere else which adds up in a hurry on savings.  If I see a line of 3 cars or over on every single pump though I skip it usually unless have 1/4th or less in the gas tank.  Even 3 cars in front usually only takes tops 10 minutes of waiting unless I stupidly pick a lane like my truck in it having a 38 gallon gas tank.

Always wondered how Costco can be that much cheaper per gallon vs. the rest though?  Once in a great while,  a few gas stations come within 3 cents of matching but never lower.

[scooperhsd]

There are a few scenarios that come to mind -

The wholesale club has made a deal with the gas distributer

The wholesale club is not making a profit ( and maybe even losing money) on gas sales.

Personally - I don't like using Sam's Club for diesel - inferior product, means I get less MPG / power. Can't say if the same is true for Costco.

[old2soon]

       I have a small one horse operation of a gas station and just filled there Again and they Still Are .25 .30 cents Under anyone in the Area including the 3 Murphy's within 25 miles of me and Way less than the Love's here in Willow Springs. And NO difference noted in the M P G at the cut rate V top shelf 87 octane. Even Gas Buddy shows this place to be least expensive fer a good stretch here bouts. RIDE SAFE.

[valkmc]

I don't support the total change to electric cars and pretty sure I won't own one in my lifetime (63 years old) however, gasoline powered vehicles had many problems during their infancy. It took many smart and confident people to push for the change and figure things out. My mom grew up on a farm in upstate NY and they did not use gasoline tractors until the 60's. Still have memories of grandpa cursing his tractor and telling me how reliable his draft horses were compared to his 1940's 9n Ford tractor. I grew up on the same farm, I thanked God for that same 9n because those draft horses that grandpa kept breeding were a major PIA except to look at.

Some smart people will figure how to fix the main problems of electric vehicles, will it be good for the average consumer, the Enviromint, or the US? Hard to say at this point. If anyone can screw it up its government and politicians!

[old2soon]

I don't support the total change to electric cars and pretty sure I won't own one in my lifetime (63 years old) however, gasoline powered vehicles had many problems during their infancy. It took many smart and confident people to push for the change and figure things out. My mom grew up on a farm in upstate NY and they did not use gasoline tractors until the 60's. Still have memories of grandpa cursing his tractor and telling me how reliable his draft horses were compared to his 1940's 9n Ford tractor. I grew up on the same farm, I thanked God for that same 9n because those draft horses that grandpa kept breeding were a major PIA except to look at.

Some smart people will figure how to fix the main problems of electric vehicles, will it be good for the average consumer, the Enviromint, or the US? Hard to say at this point. If anyone can screw it up its government and politicians!

          The ENTIRE trick shot here IS Generating Capacity of which the U S of A IS Woefully short on. Solar you say-at night or when it's cloudy? Wind you say-ever been becalmed in a sailboat? Texas wind farms Feb 2021. RIDE SAFE.

[cookiedough]

       I have a small one horse operation of a gas station and just filled there Again and they Still Are .25 .30 cents Under anyone in the Area including the 3 Murphy's within 25 miles of me and Way less than the Love's here in Willow Springs. And NO difference noted in the M P G at the cut rate V top shelf 87 octane. Even Gas Buddy shows this place to be least expensive fer a good stretch here bouts. RIDE SAFE.

am surprised that one horse operation can undercut the big box stores.  Kubly's gas station here in town been in operation probably before I was born, not sure how much longer he will be doing it since he is in early 70's and still changing/balancing/mounting tires.  He has only 2 pumps diesel and 87 gas and he daily checks the pricing and is nearly within 1 cent of the bigger gas stations around.  What he does if you like to pay by CASH is gives a 6 cent per gallon discount since he said he HATES the monthly merchant fees killing him he has to pay with those paying by credit card.  He is not hurting for business am sure still smoking like a fish daily and still going fairly well for getting up there in age.  He does say though those darn farm implement and bigger SUV/truck tires are getting too darn hard to lift up/down. He claims he only makes about 1 cent per gallon profit sold not so sure that is true, no idea?

[scooperhsd]

I don't support the total change to electric cars and pretty sure I won't own one in my lifetime (63 years old) however, gasoline powered vehicles had many problems during their infancy. It took many smart and confident people to push for the change and figure things out. My mom grew up on a farm in upstate NY and they did not use gasoline tractors until the 60's. Still have memories of grandpa cursing his tractor and telling me how reliable his draft horses were compared to his 1940's 9n Ford tractor. I grew up on the same farm, I thanked God for that same 9n because those draft horses that grandpa kept breeding were a major PIA except to look at.

Some smart people will figure how to fix the main problems of electric vehicles, will it be good for the average consumer, the Enviromint, or the US? Hard to say at this point. If anyone can screw it up its government and politicians!

          The ENTIRE trick shot here IS Generating Capacity of which the U S of A IS Woefully short on. Solar you say-at night or when it's cloudy? Wind you say-ever been becalmed in a sailboat? Texas wind farms Feb 2021. RIDE SAFE.

Current Battery technology is also a problem. Batterys wouldn't be such an issue if they had a way for you to get power for your vehicle while driving down the road (after they put the powerlines in place on the roads).

Certainly power generation is a problem right now as well.  And if you want people to use their own batteries, then you need sufficient recharge stations at suitable distances.

[..]

Skyrocketing Lithium Costs Could Drive Up EV Prices


https://www.thedrive.com/tech/43952/skyrocketing-lithium-costs-could-drive-up-ev-prices

[carolinarider09]

Here is an interesting "thing".   I did a search because I was interested in who is paying for the charging stations at hotels/motels, ect.   Turns out we all are.   

In general the person charging their vehicle does not have to pay.  The cost of installing and operating the charging station is borne by the company and therefore passed on to their customers.  So, everyone and anyone using the business is paying for charging your car/truck, etc.

Were there/ aare there subsidies for the oil and gas industry, yes?  And there are those that will argue that these subsidies are "very large".  However, if you consider that every electric charging station is using these sources of energy to charge an electric car, it would seem that there is something "different".  In addtion, all of us benefited from the subsidies since since the early part of the 20th century gasoline powered vehicles were in use through the USA.

Here is a "link" for your reading pleasure.

https://www.evconnect.com/blog/who-pays-ev-charging-station-infrastructure-costs

https://www.fuelfreedom.org/oil-company-subsidies/

[hubcapsc]

The cost of installing and operating the charging station is borne by the company and therefore passed on to their customers.  So, everyone and anyone using the business is paying for charging your car/truck, etc.

Kinda like how everyone pays for the "free" breakfast, but only some people eat it.

I'd guess the motels that have charging stations think it gets them more customers
than it loses for them...

-Mike

[Skinhead]

I would assume that all charging stations will function just like a gas pump.  You insert your credit card and are charged based on how many kW/hrs of electricity it takes to charge your vehicle.  Now the initial cost of installation will probably be subsidized by the government and payed for by the company and passed on to all of us.

[old2soon]

     kinda like I haven't had a child in school in bout 9 year yet I STILL pay school taxes. wunder HOW the road tax thingy will shake out with E Vs? My yearly tags here in Missouri ARE rather reasonable as is the dino fuel tax-well least ways fer the now! You Just KNOW "they" gotta recoup the tax losses from dino! Either way-WE THE PEOPLE-Are gonna take a HUGE Wallet hit! doncha just LUV gubmint involvement in OUR Everyday lives?  RIDE SAFE.

[carolinarider09]

The cost of installing and operating the charging station is borne by the company and therefore passed on to their customers.  So, everyone and anyone using the business is paying for charging your car/truck, etc.

Kinda like how everyone pays for the "free" breakfast, but only some people eat it.

I'd guess the motels that have charging stations think it gets them more customers
than it loses for them...

-Mike

Sort of but, you have the option of eating breakfast or not.  If you have a "gas" powered car, you don't have the option of not charging or charging your car. 

Not the same thing. 

[carolinarider09]

     kinda like I haven't had a child in school in bout 9 year yet I STILL pay school taxes. wunder HOW the road tax thingy will shake out with E Vs? My yearly tags here in Missouri ARE rather reasonable as is the dino fuel tax-well least ways fer the now! You Just KNOW "they" gotta recoup the tax losses from dino! Either way-WE THE PEOPLE-Are gonna take a HUGE Wallet hit! doncha just LUV gubmint involvement in OUR Everyday lives?  RIDE SAFE.

Yes the fuel tax thing will/could be a big deal.  If we go the all electric route or get a significant number of electric cars on the road, things will have to change.

How would they change??????   Well, in theory, the more you drive, the more gas you use, the more taxes you pay (assuming driving and buying gas in your state and yes there are Federal taxes).

So.....  electric cars will have to be mileage taxed.  How will that happen???? Two ways.  First the "honor system".  You report what you drive.  Second the car tracks how much you drive and reports to someone who then sends you a bill.  Guess that could include where you drive and your location at all times....   

BIG BROTHER Anyone. 

From the link below.

In order to compensate for this loss of revenue at the pump, 17 states have levied additional taxes on EVs specifically. In order to justify these new taxes, proponents have noted that EVs use public roads just as much as their gas-powered counterparts. EVs create traffic and contribute to road degradation, why shouldn’t EV owners pay their fair share?

https://enrg.io/do-electric-vehicles-pay-road-tax/

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Lets look at a "corollary" (you know something similar but not the same). 

And that would be..... which would you select to heat your home?  Electric or natural gas?  While natural gas is not the same as "gasoline" that are many natural gas powered vehicles in the US (some local utilities use natural gas powered trucks). 

And why is this corollary really a "corollary"?  The reason is that the theory that pushes forth the notion that we need to purchase, use, move to electric power cars is the notion that the current fossil fueled powered devices harm the environment.  Not that its cheaper, safer, nope.  Its cleaner.  Which means the discussion is really about "being clean".   

The link below discusses the comparison between electric and gas heat. 

You will note that the environmental impact is the major factor. 

https://www.edfenergy.com/heating/advice/electric-vs-gas-heating-whats-best