US consumers aren't buying electric cars -

[hubcapsc]

Third, do not make me help you pay for your electric car by tax breaks or subsidies.

That ship has sailed.

-Mike

[Skinhead]

Most modern vehicles that have a system like OnStar are already capable of reporting the odometer.  They could also tax each kilowatt of power at the charger.

[Serk]

Third, do not make me help you pay for your electric car by tax breaks or subsidies. 

https://generation180.org/the-absurd-truth-about-fossil-fuel-subsidies/

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

" This new way of calculating the proper pricing of pollution takes into account the health costs of air pollution and contributions to the impacts of global warming."

That's nice...

[Serk]

$20.5 billion in direct US subsidies (Not counting any pollution pricing)

"and most of the subsidies are in the form of tax deductions and exemptions and other “obscure tax loopholes and accounting tricks"

Reduced theft is not a subsidy. A subsidy would be if the money stolen from me were given to the oil companies, that is not the case, this is simply the government not stealing quite as much from them.

Big difference.

[Serk]

$20.5 billion in direct US subsidies (Not counting any pollution pricing)

"and most of the subsidies are in the form of tax deductions and exemptions and other “obscure tax loopholes and accounting tricks"

Reduced theft is not a subsidy. A subsidy would be if the money stolen from me were given to the oil companies, that is not the case, this is simply the government not stealing quite as much from them.

Big difference.

you are right, they shouldn’t have to pay any taxes. 

Finally, something we both agree on!

[cookiedough]

is it just me, but now daily have been seeing on TV commercials on ALL electric vehicles to buy.  I think GM said 20-30 vehicles by 2025 or something like that.  WOW, that is a lot for only 1 mfg. all electric in such a short amount of time only few years away.  Hope it pans out for them and not have the GOVT. Bailout again as they did back in 2008. 

My ex-neighbor keeps bugging me on buying an all electric vehicle.  Now he thinks even with a 7500 tax credit he does not want to shell out 48K to get a hyundai Ionic5 with a 1 year waiting period to get.  Heck, by then the car will be over 1 year old and a new improved Ionic6 will be out since heard that 6 version will be up and running by Hyundai come June of this year.  Instead, he is thinking Ford Maverick, but I know him, he will never go for that since is not 'techy' enough for him interior wise I think. 

[carolinarider09]

The Ford Mavericks are currently sold out for 2022.  In other words, all they are going to make have been spoken for.  Now if he wants a 2023 Ford Maverick........

My wife suggested that I should use some of our retirement funds to purchase a Ford Maverick to replace my 1996 Ford Explorer.  After all, a Ford Maverick was our first car after we got married. 

What I did not know was that the Maverick comes in a "normal" and 'hybrid" model.  Just some information.

[Jess from VA]

That original Maverick wasn't much of a car.

Neither was my Pinto wagon.  But it was what I could afford.

Actually it served me very well, until an unfortunate incident saw it removed to the scrap yard)     

[F6Dave]

There's a cargo ship carrying about 4,000 vehicles on fire in the Atlantic. On board are about 1,100 Porsches, as well as other expensive marques like Audis and Bentleys, and even a few Lamborghinis. It's not known how the fire started, but it has been confirmed that EVs are among the burning vehicles. That could make it difficult to impossible to extinguish the fire, and the entire cargo may be lost. With car dealers everywhere low on new inventory, this won't help.

[carolinarider09]

That original Maverick wasn't much of a car.

Neither was my Pinto wagon.  But it was what I could afford.

Actually it served me very well, until an unfortunate incident saw it removed to the scrap yard)    

When my dad was transferred from Saluda, SC (International Paper Co.) to Conway, SC he elected to settle us (mom, me and my two brothers) in Myrtle Beach, SC.  I don't remember what he actually drove back and forth to work at first but as soon as the Ford Falcon's came on the market he bought one.  The car I learned to drive with .....

He got paid for mileage driven and I think he figured the Ford Falcon was the most economic car he could get for driving around to the various work sites in the state and still be "American" made. 

Edited to add more information. 

[Patrick]

Many folks didn't think much of the little Fords. Neither did I. But, for what they were meant for they worked out well. And we sold a lot of them.

The Falcon was turned into the Mustang in 1964 and everyone loved that car.

[Jess from VA]

Several of my HS friends ended up with the Falcons.

I learned to drive in driver's ed in a 67 Chevy Impala.

That just so happened to be my dad's new car as well.  So I got some practice in that too (under close supervision).

Dad helped me get my VW right away at 16 (it was waiting for me on a lot until the day I turned 16 and got my license) (I paid for it).  That was great parental support, but I knew he'd rather I drive my old VW than his new Chevy.  

I'd never driven a standard trans before, so mom took me over to a little park with a 2 mile circle, and I jammed gears and stalled and lurched over there for a couple days until I got the hang of it.  I drove it the 7 miles to my job at the Mobil gas station (it was nice to not have to hitchhike every day), and I made it a game to see how few times I would stall it getting to and from work every day.  

Mom told me her grandpap taught her to drive a standard trans in a 37 Chevy Coupe.

What a tank.  

But much cooler than a '62 VW Karmann Ghia
 

[carolinarider09]

Ahhh yes,,,,,, those were the days.

My parents had two cars, dad's work car (the falcon) and the "family" car which was almost always a station wagon (Ford). 

I think we had a "used 1960 something baby blue Ford Galaxy Station wagon in the late sixties.  I just tried to find an image to verify the year and they don't look at all like I remembered. 

My friend from Jr. High, who moved away to Lake Toxaway when his father retired from the Air Force, came down to visit us in Myrtle Beach one summer.  His father had just purchased a new Pontiac GTO and they drove it down to the beach.   So we did a test.

Like I said, I thought the station wagon was a very nice car, and to me, sort of a luxury car and the GTO was just a car. 

Anyway, the test, my friend, Steve, and his brother and I took the Ford down Ocean Boulevard in Myrtle Beach, all the way past the Pavilion.  We came back home and got the GTO and did the same ride, same people, same clothes. 

The point was to see if the girls liked the car of the boys in the car.  It was the car.....  . Hands down it was the car.  We got many more looks in the GTO..... 

Which is why, when I got the chance I purchased my first car, my choice, a used 1959 MGA.   

[hubcapsc]

It's not known how the fire started, but it has been confirmed that EVs are among the burning vehicles.

 

-Mike

[cookiedough]

Speaking of the all electric vehicles being sold out or even the ford maverick truck having to order a 2023 now that 2022 no longer taking orders for.  Who has bought an unknown vehicle, especially brand new model never out before prior years,  sight unseen or NOT even test driven yet, and putting say 500 down on an ordered out vehicle which sounds like will NOT be coming in for 6 months to 1 year later?   

Neighbor found out the 500 down on the all electrics are 100% refundable if do not like it or whatever, but to not test drive one first and just go out and blow 47K or more, even say 26K on a ford maverick not having driven one even,  is something I would never do.

I have heard of a few all new 2022 tundra owners put money down on a new one only to be disappointed and a few even already trading it in for something else, with most 50-65K in price.

[Jess from VA]

Bill, it was some years before we were affluent enough to get a 2d car for mom.  A couple years after I got my VW, dad got mom an old beater late 50s ford rotted out with Detroit rust (but it ran good), and we put cardboard on the back seat floors so we didn't get mud on our school clothes being driven to school (if we didn't take the bus).  

Mom and her two older sisters worked as house painters with their dad (my grandad) in HS and it paid all 3 through college (at Morgantown).  So mom was an ace painter.  She went down and bought two gallons of white Rustoleum (the old ford was white) and wire brushed off as much rust as she could, and painted that car two coats with a 4 inch brush.  It looked better than it did before, if you stood back about 50 feet.  

A few years later, dad upgraded her to an old early 60s Plymouth Belvedere station wagon with the automatic trans controlled by push buttons on the dash.  

[Patrick]

Speaking of the all electric vehicles being sold out or even the ford maverick truck having to order a 2023 now that 2022 no longer taking orders for.  Who has bought an unknown vehicle, especially brand new model never out before prior years,  sight unseen or NOT even test driven yet, and putting say 500 down on an ordered out vehicle which sounds like will NOT be coming in for 6 months to 1 year later?   

Neighbor found out the 500 down on the all electrics are 100% refundable if do not like it or whatever, but to not test drive one first and just go out and blow 47K or more, even say 26K on a ford maverick not having driven one even,  is something I would never do.

I have heard of a few all new 2022 tundra owners put money down on a new one only to be disappointed and a few even already trading it in for something else, with most 50-65K in price.

Who has bought new vehicles sight unseen ? Many ! We had orders and big down payments 6 months before the Mustang arrived in mid-64. We, or Ford, couldn't keep up with orders.

I can understand people being disappointed with/by Toyota's. That doesn't surprise me.

[Patrick]

Ahhh yes,,,,,, those were the days.

My parents had two cars, dad's work car (the falcon) and the "family" car which was almost always a station wagon (Ford). 

I think we had a "used 1960 something baby blue Ford Galaxy Station wagon in the late sixties.  I just tried to find an image to verify the year and they don't look at all like I remembered. 

My friend from Jr. High, who moved away to Lake Toxaway when his father retired from the Air Force, came down to visit us in Myrtle Beach one summer.  His father had just purchased a new Pontiac GTO and they drove it down to the beach.   So we did a test.

Like I said, I thought the station wagon was a very nice car, and to me, sort of a luxury car and the GTO was just a car. 

Anyway, the test, my friend, Steve, and his brother and I took the Ford down Ocean Boulevard in Myrtle Beach, all the way past the Pavilion.  We came back home and got the GTO and did the same ride, same people, same clothes. 

The point was to see if the girls liked the car of the boys in the car.  It was the car.....  . Hands down it was the car.  We got many more looks in the GTO..... 

Which is why, when I got the chance I purchased my first car, my choice, a used 1959 MGA.   

LOL ! Back in those days it would be the GTO every time ! It wouldn't matter much what was driving it.

[Patrick]

We're talking first cars ?

I was born in a Studebaker parts room. I used to get 'stolen' from my crib by my grandfather in the middle of the night to go on service/tow calls. I was doing them solo at 13-14.

So at 14 my grandfather thought it was time for my first car. It was a '48 Ford coupe. I didn't like the little flathead in it and we had a Cadillac with those 2 4-bbl. WCFBs. That went in it along with the transmitter. I couldn't figure out how to mate the transmission to the Ford torque tube so the Cadillac rear went in it. I couldn't get the power to the ground so I welded the side gears. [ Grandfather taught me to weld at 12] We took in a Chrysler with a 392 and those huge valve covers and 2 AFB's. That went in the old Ford. I worked all summer saving for a blower manifold and drive. I had a GMC 6-71 blower so that went on ASAP. 16 years old driving a blown hemi. Couldn't get the power to the ground again so my grandfather and I [ mostly him] made rear wheel adapters, so, it ended up with dual rear wheels. Tires of the time were skinny little things.

[old2soon]

       First thing I ever drove was a 55 Mercury Station Wagon with a small V8 and a slush box. Got the Feel of driving and Dad INSISTED I learn to drive a manual trans. His 54 Ford 2 door straight 6 3 speed with overdrive. And I LEARNED! Weren't fer Dad I'd Never have attempted to learn How to operate a 4 X 4 air slide or a 5 and a 4 or a Triplex and other Easier truck transmissions. ME switch to an electric vehicle? I won't state Never BUT the odds are slim and dang near none!  I was practially raised with ICE as the power source. Question. Is there an electric M/C capable of 1200 miles in 2 days under it's own power? Most of us here have already Done that with the I C E M/C. I'd like to live long enough to see EXACTLY HOW they do electrify U S 50 The Loneliest Road in AMERICA! I've been across that Highway couple times in a Big Truck. It ARE LONELY! They duz manage to electrify 50 they gonna need guards or some unsavory characters may dismantle it!  RIDE SAFE.

[scooperhsd]

My first car (when I was 16) was a 1964 full size Chevy sedan, with a straight 6 and a 3 on the tree ! (I was 16 in 1977). My second was a 1967 Chevelle with a 283 V8 and a 2 speed powerglide automatic. The car I took to KU was a 1969 Ford LTD coupe, with a 390 V8 and a 3 speed automatic ( by this time I had my 1978 Honda CB400A).

[carolinarider09]

       First thing I ever drove was a 55 Mercury Station Wagon with a small V8 and a slush box. Got the Feel of driving and Dad INSISTED I learn to drive a manual trans. His 54 Ford 2 door straight 6 3 speed with overdrive. And I LEARNED! Weren't fer Dad I'd Never have attempted to learn How to operate a 4 X 4 air slide or a 5 and a 4 or a Triplex and other Easier truck transmissions. ME switch to an electric vehicle? I won't state Never BUT the odds are slim and dang near none!  I was practially raised with ICE as the power source. Question. Is there an electric M/C capable of 1200 miles in 2 days under it's own power? Most of us here have already Done that with the I C E M/C. I'd like to live long enough to see EXACTLY HOW they do electrify U S 50 The Loneliest Road in AMERICA! I've been across that Highway couple times in a Big Truck. It ARE LONELY! They duz manage to electrify 50 they gonna need guards or some unsavory characters may dismantle it!  RIDE SAFE.

 

[cookiedough]

My first car (when I was 16) was a 1964 full size Chevy sedan, with a straight 6 and a 3 on the tree ! (I was 16 in 1977). My second was a 1967 Chevelle with a 283 V8 and a 2 speed powerglide automatic. The car I took to KU was a 1969 Ford LTD coupe, with a 390 V8 and a 3 speed automatic ( by this time I had my 1978 Honda CB400A).

Did any of those 60 chevy's burn oil a lot?  What was suppose to be mine in a few years around 1985 was a 1968 chevy bel air 4 door rough vinyl seats (ripped) with those never sealing, always whistled at hwy. speeds small triangular shaped front door side windows.  I swear growing up my Dad and brother put in about 1 qt. of oil every 1000 miles or less.  I think it was a very small V8 in that thing, not sure was long ago and I was like only 14 years old when my older brother fell asleep at the wheel one night coming home and went into a ditch and flipped it over on the roof, was done for.  Boy, Dad was pissed on that one for sure down to only 1 car Dad needed being at the time a rusted out 1976 silver bullet (well rust spotted brown all over) chevy caprice classic 305 V8.   Rust got so bad on that Chevy that we spray painted silver the rust spots all over that thing.  Ya know when it is time to get rid of the car when the driver's side flooring had holes in it can see the pavement down below.

[Patrick]

My first car (when I was 16) was a 1964 full size Chevy sedan, with a straight 6 and a 3 on the tree ! (I was 16 in 1977). My second was a 1967 Chevelle with a 283 V8 and a 2 speed powerglide automatic. The car I took to KU was a 1969 Ford LTD coupe, with a 390 V8 and a 3 speed automatic ( by this time I had my 1978 Honda CB400A).

Did any of those 60 chevy's burn oil a lot?  What was suppose to be mine in a few years around 1985 was a 1968 chevy bel air 4 door rough vinyl seats (ripped) with those never sealing, always whistled at hwy. speeds small triangular shaped front door side windows.  I swear growing up my Dad and brother put in about 1 qt. of oil every 1000 miles or less.  I think it was a very small V8 in that thing, not sure was long ago and I was like only 14 years old when my older brother fell asleep at the wheel one night coming home and went into a ditch and flipped it over on the roof, was done for.  Boy, Dad was pissed on that one for sure down to only 1 car Dad needed being at the time a rusted out 1976 silver bullet (well rust spotted brown all over) chevy caprice classic 305 V8.   Rust got so bad on that Chevy that we spray painted silver the rust spots all over that thing.  Ya know when it is time to get rid of the car when the driver's side flooring had holes in it can see the pavement down below.

Most early small block Chevy's had valve seal problems. Not much of a problem actually, they just didn't last very long. The key was the puff of smoke when starting. They were pretty easy to replace. But I don't think a qt in a 1000 is bad. Many new cars use more than that.

[Skinhead]

The cars with rusted out floorboards were the best.  You could just drop your empty beer cans out on the road instead of them accumulating in the back seat.

[Jess from VA]

The cars with rusted out floorboards were the best.  You could just drop your empty beer cans out on the road instead of them accumulating in the back seat.

We didn't pollute with beer cans.  But nothing wrong with funky bong water going out on the road.   

[Patrick]

The cars with rusted out floorboards were the best.  You could just drop your empty beer cans out on the road instead of them accumulating in the back seat.

I had a girlfriend that had a Pontiac that rusted out around the rear window. When it rained it filled the rear foot wells. My fix was to drill holes in the wells, no more wet feetz.

[..]

Surprise!!!


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/article-10530305/Now-thieves-new-target-electric-cars-charger-cable.html


Owners of electric cars are falling victim to a new crime wave sweeping the UK - thieves are stealing charger cables.

[Patrick]

Surprise!!!


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/article-10530305/Now-thieves-new-target-electric-cars-charger-cable.html


Owners of electric cars are falling victim to a new crime wave sweeping the UK - thieves are stealing charger cables.

Some folks will steal anything !  Whats the price of copper today ? Or, how many cables does one need ? Maybe they need enough to reach the neighbors garage.

[carolinarider09]

Regarding stealing the charging cables, there is an easy way to "prevent" that but since it could cause death and even if you had a big sign warning not to, someone would sue.   

Even if you have camera, with everyone masked up and gloved, you will never get a print or a look.