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« Reply #80 on: February 11, 2022, 04:36:51 AM » |
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What do you do when your car is charging in an empty lot with no security?People unplug each other's cars, get in fights and basically act like idiots. That's a fault of people, though, not cars. Here’s more money right out the window or flushed down the toilet. A lot of people, many of them on this thread, think that not having enough charging stations is a problem. The Government will soon have a solution that pleases everyone  ... -Mike
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« Reply #81 on: February 11, 2022, 05:11:07 AM » |
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An idea from this administration ? Would anyone think it was thought thru ? And which charge plugs would these stations use ? A combination of the 4 ? I'm thinking they don't even know that.
A new poll shows his approval is 38% and 55% say he has done nothing they approve of.
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« Reply #82 on: February 11, 2022, 06:30:04 AM » |
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ex neighbor, a techy IT type, texted me last night thinking of buying a new Hyundai Ioniq (spelling?) all electric vehicle. I asked him which of the 2 gas cars he will get rid of he says probably both. I think huge mistake not have a gas vehicle for the both of them in the garage vs. just having ONE all electric vehicle to depend on for both of them. Both work IN TOWN and do not go anywhere more than say 5-10 miles per day and back. He has an all electric lawnmower which is becoming more popular now and surprised he has not yet converted over to an all electric snowblower yet. He was one of the first ones around 2006 to get a prius.
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« Reply #83 on: February 11, 2022, 06:36:03 AM » |
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ex neighbor, a techy IT type, texted me last night thinking of buying a new Hyundai Ioniq (spelling?) all electric vehicle. I asked him which of the 2 gas cars he will get rid of he says probably both. I think huge mistake not have a gas vehicle for the both of them in the garage vs. just having ONE all electric vehicle to depend on for both of them. Both work IN TOWN and do not go anywhere more than say 5-10 miles per day and back. He has an all electric lawnmower which is becoming more popular now and surprised he has not yet converted over to an all electric snowblower yet. He was one of the first ones around 2006 to get a prius.
https://www.hyundai.com/worldwide/en/eco/ioniq5/charging |
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« Reply #84 on: February 11, 2022, 06:37:18 AM » |
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Funny how you have to buy the bigger battery at an upcharge to get any kind of decent range.
If they are in such a rush to get everyone electric wouldn't the longer range be the standard?
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« Reply #85 on: February 11, 2022, 06:43:03 AM » |
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« Reply #86 on: February 11, 2022, 06:45:51 AM » |
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What do you do when your car is charging in an empty lot with no security?People unplug each other's cars, get in fights and basically act like idiots. That's a fault of people, though, not cars. Here’s more money right out the window or flushed down the toilet. A lot of people, many of them on this thread, think that not having enough charging stations is a problem. The Government will soon have a solution that pleases everyone ... -Mike Ha - Until you can go from almost zero battery to full (maybe 3/4) in 15 minutes - I'm not interested. I can do that on any of my petro fueled vehicles.... |
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« Reply #87 on: February 11, 2022, 06:49:59 AM » |
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Well, at least if you run out of volts on the highway, you'll only have a maximum 25 mile walk to get a can on volts to take back to your "green" vehicle. Just think of how much more ocean front property will be available now that the oceans will stop rising, and maybe recede with all the polar cap growth these vehicles will bring about. Oh wait, there will still be power plant emissions, so maybe this won't work out as planned.
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« Reply #88 on: February 11, 2022, 07:00:49 AM » |
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Oh wait, there will still be power plant emissions, so maybe this won't work out as planned.
Not if we go nuclear for the electric. Oh, I forgot, that is not allowed by the current party in power. No nuclear. Its too cheap and too safe and lasts way to long. Better go with solar and wind, ensures jobs since they have to be rebuilt every 20 years and plenty of jobs in disposing of the "parts" that are worn out. Much better for the economy and you get to have all the homes re-done for more insulation and better heating and cooling systems since the current systems take way to much energy. All need to be "upgraded". No, solar and wind, only way to go. |
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« Reply #89 on: February 11, 2022, 07:27:31 AM » |
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Oh wait, there will still be power plant emissions, so maybe this won't work out as planned.
Not if we go nuclear for the electric. Oh, I forgot, that is not allowed by the current party in power. No nuclear. Its too cheap and too safe and lasts way to long. Better go with solar and wind, ensures jobs since they have to be rebuilt every 20 years and plenty of jobs in disposing of the "parts" that are worn out. Much better for the economy and you get to have all the homes re-done for more insulation and better heating and cooling systems since the current systems take way to much energy. All need to be "upgraded". No, solar and wind, only way to go. Solyndra. |
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« Reply #90 on: February 11, 2022, 07:46:35 AM » |
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Of the $5 billion for charging stations in the 'infrastructure' bill, I suspect California will get the most as they have the most EVs on the road. I'm sure they'll spend it wisely. Just look at their SF to LA high speed rail project: voter approved in 2008, delayed until 2029 or later, costs have tripled to $100 BILLION. I wouldn't count on those government chargers popping up any time soon.
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« Reply #91 on: February 11, 2022, 08:16:56 AM » |
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What CA needs is all roads widened to 27 lanes.
Among other things.
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« Reply #93 on: February 12, 2022, 06:16:47 AM » |
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That's going to work really well when people can't get to work because their electric cars are drained because of this. |
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Patrick
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« Reply #94 on: February 12, 2022, 08:30:27 AM » |
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Just one more form of theft. |
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« Reply #95 on: February 12, 2022, 11:47:11 AM » |
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You want to visit family/friends 1000-1500 miles away for Memorial Day, July 4, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, Christmas, etc. Hundreds of thousands will be driving electric vehicles and will require a recharge every 250-300 miles if no traffic issues.https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a32081802/tesla-model-3-road-trip/Carolyn's hybrid only goes about 30 miles on pure electric before it needs a l-o-n-g recharge. She mostly uses it in town and gets a ludicrous number of miles per gallon of gas after she averages it out. I live in Seneca (pronounced Sin-ih-ker) South Carolina and there's a charging station at the grocery store. You and me will probably still be riding our carbureted Valkyres to the Fall Color ride when Teslas (and others) will have improved to where they can go 800 miles and charge up in 15 minutes... I think they'll be there in just a handful of years. -Mike "oh wait, you got one of those new fangled fuel injection bikes..." Does the grocery store allow charging for free? |
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« Reply #96 on: February 12, 2022, 12:30:55 PM » |
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Does the grocery store allow charging for free?
Free? No-charge to charge, I just asked. Now she's reeling off a list of places
she's charged for no-charge.
-Mike "mmm... free lunch..."
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« Reply #97 on: February 12, 2022, 01:02:02 PM » |
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My son worked at a Hilton Hotel which put in 2 charge stations and then took them out because people would park and plug in and walk home. Not customers of the hotel.
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« Reply #98 on: February 12, 2022, 01:59:06 PM » |
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My son worked at a Hilton Hotel which put in 2 charge stations and then took them out because people would park and plug in and walk home. Not customers of the hotel.
I had not thought about that being an issue. But I can see how it would. I forget where but somewhere I saw a hotel with 10 or 20 charging stations. Never ever considered if they were or were not customers. Note: (may have been next to a hotel not the hotel itself). |
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« Reply #99 on: February 13, 2022, 08:00:41 PM » |
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judging by the high amount of superbowl commercials (I counted 5 or 6 total), one would think all electric is now in full swing ready to go everyone should have one?
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« Reply #100 on: February 14, 2022, 04:33:14 AM » |
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My son worked at a Hilton Hotel which put in 2 charge stations and then took them out because people would park and plug in and walk home. Not customers of the hotel.
I had not thought about that being an issue. But I can see how it would. I forget where but somewhere I saw a hotel with 10 or 20 charging stations. Never ever considered if they were or were not customers. Note: (may have been next to a hotel not the hotel itself). Proximity cards will fix most of that. Motel card for motels, credit cards for general purpose places... then it would be a real "charge" card... don't know how they'll fix people who leave their car there after it is done charging... -Mike |
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« Reply #101 on: February 14, 2022, 04:58:21 AM » |
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don't know how they'll fix people who leave their car there after it is done charging...30 minutes after full charge, the charging station reverses and sucks out the whole charge? 
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« Reply #102 on: February 14, 2022, 11:56:51 AM » |
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don't know how they'll fix people who leave their car there after it is done charging...
Once the autonomous thing is ready for prime time, the car could just back out and park itself nearby. Then when you're done at the restaurant, movie theater, brothel, whatever, whip out your phone and tell your car to come pick you up. |
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Never ask a geek 'Why?',just nod your head and slowly back away...  IBA# 22107 VRCC# 7976 VRCCDS# 226 1998 Valkyrie Standard 2008 Gold Wing Taxation is theft. μολὼν λαβέ |
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« Reply #103 on: February 14, 2022, 01:58:21 PM » |
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Kind of like a tipped over motorcycle crying out, “pick me up”!
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« Reply #104 on: February 15, 2022, 07:44:48 AM » |
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Maybe this one will get people excited.... No word if it comes with a place to hide cocaine or not...  https://www.foxnews.com/auto/delorean-texas-electric-sports-car(Or a flux-capacitor) |
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Never ask a geek 'Why?',just nod your head and slowly back away... IBA# 22107 VRCC# 7976 VRCCDS# 226 1998 Valkyrie Standard 2008 Gold Wing Taxation is theft. μολὼν λαβέ |
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Ooooh Ooh where do I place a deposit  |
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« Reply #106 on: February 15, 2022, 08:29:54 AM » |
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You know why they called the Delorean the Snowmobile, right?
It isn't because he opened a snow machine factory.
His time in the limelight was cut short after he was arrested and instead of being known for his contributions to the auto industry, John Z. DeLorean became known as the man who was charged (though acquitted) with a conspiracy to smuggle cocaine
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« Reply #107 on: February 15, 2022, 09:37:28 AM » |
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I read an article not sure if true or not but said at home electric car charging will be about the equivalent of paying 1 buck per gallon of gas. Also, saw one TN all electric rapid 15 minute charge will run near 5 bucks per 15 minute charge off an interstate somewhere.
I thought 1 buck per gallon cost of charging at home seemed pretty expensive, agree?
5 bucks or tad less for 15 minute rapid charge if at 90 percent capacity say IMO is not that bad of a deal though considering 300 miles in my 35 mpg car would run gas wise about 25 bucks in gas.
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« Reply #108 on: February 15, 2022, 12:50:30 PM » |
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I read an article not sure if true or not but said at home electric car charging will be about the equivalent of paying 1 buck per gallon of gas. Also, saw one TN all electric rapid 15 minute charge will run near 5 bucks per 15 minute charge off an interstate somewhere.
I thought 1 buck per gallon cost of charging at home seemed pretty expensive, agree?
5 bucks or tad less for 15 minute rapid charge if at 90 percent capacity say IMO is not that bad of a deal though considering 300 miles in my 35 mpg car would run gas wise about 25 bucks in gas.
Once they realize how many $$$$$$$$$ they are losing through a dramatic drop in gas tax revenue it will all change. I wouldn't be surprised to find that eventually EV cost more to run per mile than fossil fuel cars. |
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« Reply #109 on: February 15, 2022, 01:20:20 PM » |
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Oh - I'm sure it will change. Since gas / Diesel taxes fund highways, EV's will have to make up for it. And the fairest way to do THAT will be on a weight and miles driven basis.
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« Reply #110 on: February 15, 2022, 03:37:00 PM » |
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And if you want to have a tax on an EV that is based on miles driven, guess what?????
You will need to track the miles. Can't trust the citizen or "who ever" to report his actual mileage so he can be taxed on it. Trackers in every electric car and/or hybrid will be needed.
The trackers will track mileage and report back to "headquarters". Think I am making this up??? Show me another way to track the miles an EV drives and deliver that information for taxation.
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« Reply #111 on: February 15, 2022, 03:46:23 PM » |
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You COULD go with GPS trackers - this would let them break it between states more fairly. I'm pretty certain that such GPS trackers CAN be jammed or otherwise deceived. And you also have to make the GPS tracker "impossible" to remove from the vehicle (or just constantly reporting your location). Then you have privacy concerns about "is this data going to be used for traffic infractions" ?
The easy way would be to take odometer readings every year, like at the annual vehicle inspection. Of course - there are problems with that in states that don't have the inspections (like Kansas).
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« Reply #112 on: February 15, 2022, 03:47:28 PM » |
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And if you want to have a tax on an EV that is based on miles driven, guess what?????
You will need to track the miles. Can't trust the citizen or "who ever" to report his actual mileage so he can be taxed on it. Trackers in every electric car and/or hybrid will be needed.
The trackers will track mileage and report back to "headquarters". Think I am making this up??? Show me another way to track the miles an EV drives and deliver that information for taxation.
Statistics is one way. Another way is that they know what kind of car we have since it's registered and we pay property taxes on it. Imagine Jerry Seinfeld waving his arms "anybody can take reservations" - maybe the government will just tax us willy nilly. They have many options. The insurance company gives discounts if you let them put a tracker in your car. Not for me. We all know our cell phones are trackers, right? -Mike |
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« Reply #113 on: February 15, 2022, 03:58:03 PM » |
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I will not put an insurance tracker in any of my vehicles for any reason whatsoever - I LIVE for G's while driving, and while I don't usually speed - I've been known to not pay close attention when a particularly great song comes on....
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« Reply #114 on: February 15, 2022, 04:01:29 PM » |
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Statistics????? Cool. People living in a certain area????? How does one determine the potential miles driven statistically???? I see, its a guess. I get to drive 1,000 miles a week and pay the same taxes as someone who drives only 100 miles. Not fair to the other person and if he/they find out. Let me remind you of a famous saying: "There are three ways to not tell the truth: lies, cursed lies, and statistics." Just in case you might be interested. https://public.wsu.edu/~taflinge/evistats.html |
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« Reply #115 on: February 15, 2022, 04:14:15 PM » |
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I've got a better plan, cut all taxes in half, and live with it.
Start off by firing half of government (mostly from the top and leadership).
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« Reply #116 on: February 15, 2022, 04:30:36 PM » |
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Being we are discussing government solutions....
The way to off set the loss of the gas tax is to have every EV have a 25 gallon gasoline ballast and as the battery discharges the gasoline is burned to a rate of 30 mpg. This way we can still keep the incoming revenue and SAVE THE PLANET with electric cars.
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« Reply #117 on: February 15, 2022, 04:47:59 PM » |
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Which points at the idiocy of pushing electric cars to "save the planet" by "reducing emissions".
First, I don't care if you buy an electric car as long as I don't have to subsidize it. That includes paying for the roads you drive you electric car on. You need to pay. Need a milage tracking device connected to the state and federal governments to allow them to track and tax. Have to track so states get their share as they do today.
Second, don't tell me I have to buy a electric car to reduct emissions. Its bull crap since the power has to come from some where and it will be a power plant burning something (more emissions).
Now if you want to reduce emissions, get the nation's nuclear power plant construction back on track. Nuclear is clean, cheap, and lasts a long time.
Third, do not make me help you pay for your electric car by tax breaks or subsidies.
Otherwise buy and enjoy.
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« Reply #118 on: February 15, 2022, 05:29:06 PM » |
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