Toyota and Yamaha

[f6john]

Have been working on a new engine! 5.0 V8, 455hp, 398 lbft of torque all based on a production engine with major modifications. They have released a few still photos but no videos of it running or in a vehicle. The most radical looking feature is the exhaust which is like the old Gurney Westlake heads from Indy cars of the late 60’s. The exhaust is on top in the “V” of the engine and the two intake manifolds are on the sides.

What makes this noteworthy is that it utilizes Hydrogen for fuel. I wish I could say that it was an American car maker leading the charge but at least someone is while our greenies are in control of everything here.

[f6john]

[old2soon]

          NOW ya got me guessin how many revs this thing will turn and continue to live! RIDE SAFE.

[f6john]

          NOW ya got me guessin how many revs this thing will turn and continue to live! RIDE SAFE.

I heard some numbers but don’t remember exactly but torque peak was in the 3,000 rpm range and peak hp was at 6800 rpm. This is the same basic architecture as the 5.0 engine in the Lexus RC f model, which makes even more hp on gas.

[Valkorado]

This is something worth watching.  Looks like something I could never afford, but I enjoy window shopping. 

[Jersey mike]

I have to be honest, I don’t remember ever seeing an exhaust configuration like this before. This must ne for a rear engine setup but where would the plumbing go?

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https://www.thedrive.com/news/acura-nsx-factory-in-ohio-will-build-hydrogen-honda-cr-vs-next

[f6john]

I have to be honest, I don’t remember ever seeing an exhaust configuration like this before. This must ne for a rear engine setup but where would the plumbing go?

This was the first time I saw it going back to the 60’s. I doubt it’s ever been used in production vehicles. But easily could be if you put your mind to it.









The car that changed everything. 1965 Indycar winner had an engine based on a Ford 289 production block that had a heavy dose of English engineering with the Cosworth DOHC heads. For race duty the engine was 255 cubic inches.  It was the first rear engine car to win the 500 race. The next year there was only 4 front engine cars in the race.

Here’s an interesting fact on this car also, only two pit stops for fuel and the car ran the entire race on the same set of tires. One other thing, the team was upset because a pit crew from NASCAR was brought in, the Woods Bros, there was an argument but Ford won that one.

[Jersey mike]

Ok…yes I’ve seen this before. Thanks to my old matchbox days.

[Robert]

Audi, Bentley, Mercedes and a few others do use the design of the exhaust goes out the valley of the engine with the intakes on the side of the engine.

Bentley Continental V8 Engine Animation


https://youtu.be/kSRwHTVrPLk


AU $22,999.00
ApproximatelyUS $15,663.47

[f6john]

The Bentley engine in the video doesn’t have the exhaust on top?? I’m fairly sure the AMG engine in the picture doesn’t either??

[Robert]

Both do, the black housings that say AMG on the Benz engine are connected directly to the turbos. The turbos sit on top of the exhaust ports in the valley of the engine.  If you look at the videos you will see the exhaust exiting on top of the engine.

Here is the still from the video you can see the exhaust red, this is the Bentley engine. I have driven a few they are very quick no turbo lag and very responsive on the throttle. You can see the plastic intake manifolds on the side of the engine below the heads where the exhaust would normally be located.

What is really is surprising the red at the top of the engine is the catalytic converter attached to the outlet on the turbo. So all that heat is at the top of the engine and engine compartment. It has 2 converters and the second is on the side of the trans you see. You can also just make out the two O2 sensors in the exhaust. Its an interesting video you should watch it.

[f6john]

Not to be argumentative but the video you posted a link to shows them bolting on the exhaust to the bottom outside of the heads??? The last picture you posted is definitely showing the exhaust on top!

By enlarging the AMG photo I believe I see the hot side turbos under that silver cover!

[Robert]

I had to look at that video again to see if we looking at the same one. What you view as exhaust manifolds are actually intake manifold they’re plastic if you look closely and ribbed for reinforcement. The picture that I took is from that video it’s the same engine. I have personally driven and looked under the hood of all the cars that I’ve told you and I can confirm that they were all top exhaust.

[f6john]

Wrong twice in one day???? Unheard of!!!

[Robert]

Wrong twice in one day???? Unheard of!!!

 

I had a pic of one of the cars, when I can, I will take a pic of the actual cars to post, rather than the internet pictures.

[Jersey mike]

I had to look at that video again to see if we looking at the same one. What you view as exhaust manifolds are actually intake manifold they’re plastic if you look closely and ribbed for reinforcement. The picture that I took is from that video it’s the same engine. I have personally driven and looked under the hood of all the cars that I’ve told you and I can confirm that they were all top exhaust.

Is it me or was there no audio with that video?

[F6Dave]

I have to be honest, I don’t remember ever seeing an exhaust configuration like this before. This must ne for a rear engine setup but where would the plumbing go?

This was the first time I saw it going back to the 60’s. I doubt it’s ever been used in production vehicles. But easily could be if you put your mind to it.









The car that changed everything. 1965 Indycar winner had an engine based on a Ford 289 production block that had a heavy dose of English engineering with the Cosworth DOHC heads. For race duty the engine was 255 cubic inches.  It was the first rear engine car to win the 500 race. The next year there was only 4 front engine cars in the race.

Here’s an interesting fact on this car also, only two pit stops for fuel and the car ran the entire race on the same set of tires. One other thing, the team was upset because a pit crew from NASCAR was brought in, the Woods Bros, there was an argument but Ford won that one.

The first rear-engine Lotus to race at Indy (in 1963) was the Lotus 29. It was based on the Lotus 25 F1 car, fitted with a highly modified pushrod V8 from the Fairlane. The more powerful Cosworth DOHC V8 appeared the next year.

The Lotus 29 was driven by Jim Clark and Dan Gurney at the 1963 Indy 500, followed by 200 mile races at the Milwaukee Mile and the Trenton speedway. I grew up less than a mile from the Trenton Speedway, a one-mile oval that hosted multiple USAC and NASCAR races every year. My dad was given 2 tickets to the 1963 Trenton 200, and took me along. We got to see one of the very first outings of the Lotus-Ford 'Champ cars' driven by Clark and Gurney. You could get dangerously close to the track back then, so we left the stands for a while and stood at the wall of the turn leading to the main straight, just a few feet from the cars. People were amazed at how Clark and Gurney would easily pass the front engine Offys in that corner. I was only 11 at the time but remember it clearly. I still have the ticket stub.

[Robert]

Self explanatory RR engine from Phantom

[F6Dave]

Speaking of Yamaha engines, I owned a 1993 Taurus SHO. Yamaha built the heads and assembled the engines. It may be the best looking engine ever installed in a 'daily driver'.

[f6john]

A much better use of the sho engine.



The Shogun,



Jay Leno bought one when you could, around $35k, this is an 89 Festiva with the SHO in the back.

[Robert]

2016 mercedes GTS
You can see the turbos in the top center of the engine. The tank in the front of the picture with the cap on it on either side tucked in a bit is the intercoolers for the turbos.





This is the pass side of the engine, you can see the starter,(green) and that is the plastic intake manifold, (red) above the motor mount (blue) and a small bit of the exhaust (yellow) all the way to the top. The bottom left of the pic is the oil pan and crank position sensor (LT blue). The pic is not that good so labeling helps to identify.

[carolinarider09]

Not the same I know.... But I miss the old days.   In this case 1958 MGA1500 CC.   

Video is about restoration but half way through you get to see what it "should be like".   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci8DtQccoyE

[Robert]

Not the same I know.... But I miss the old days.   In this case 1958 MGA1500 CC.   

Video is about restoration but half way through you get to see what it "should be like".   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci8DtQccoyE

That is a labor of love.

Had a MG TA and it was in pretty good condition but it needed work. I was ok till I realized the body is basically wood with metal overlay. One door was actually rotted and weak and needed to be replaced. Well it took awhile and found someone that would do the door for me. The more I looked around the more I found that there are some very skilled but older people with alot of talent that was restoring these cars and actually making parts. I even found a guy who made a whole body wood/metal and it was perfect. The car after awhile came out really good and actually won first in show. Most of the original stuff was there but the dash board I had custom made out of a light burl wood. It was really pretty and the slope of the dash it became one of the main focal points of the car.

I have owned TR6, MGB, TR 250 and they were all fun. But today I still see some of these on and have occasion for someone to ask a few questions about one and the technology is so radically different from the newer cars. I dont like some of the newer technology its not really survivable and the repair cost can be outrageous. I like looking at them reminiscing about the time I had in them but its nice to have someone else own them, 

[Robert]

Not the same I know.... But I miss the old days.   In this case 1958 MGA1500 CC.   

Video is about restoration but half way through you get to see what it "should be like".   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci8DtQccoyE

Take a look around and see if you ever know of anyone looking for B parts.

https://abingdonspares.com/collections/mgb-sale-items?mc_cid=8d47e89722&mc_eid=697ae88dc6

[Robert]

Aston Martin DBS
Normal aspiration V12

[John Schmidt]

The motor in the MGA restoration reminds me of the little Austin 1200cc that was in my Nash Metropolitan. I joked with my neighbor once when he said it ran like a sewing machine, I told him it was off a sewing machine. Said Singer had to keep it small to fit in the console, Nash just had to add a carb for automotive use. Don't know if he believed me or not but was real quiet following that conversation. Drove that little sucker to Florida in 1967 on a job offer, even slept in it for the first few days after arriving. Couple years later I sold it for what I bought if for, as always...one of the cars I wish I still had.