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Author Topic: Simple steps could reduce motorcyclist deaths - IIHS Insight  (Read 1674 times)
98valk
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« on: August 25, 2023, 06:03:46 AM »

https://motorcycleridersfoundation.wildapricot.org/resources/IIHS_Insight_082423.pdf
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2023, 06:17:03 AM »

They forgot one obvious thing - stop talking on your cell phone while driving !!!!!
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98valk
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2023, 06:26:37 AM »

and looking at the big GPS video screen installed in the dash and all of the other space ship controls on the dash which have nothing to do with driving.


did anybody see the autonomous vehicle in san fran that caused a fire truck to crash into it while going to a fire call?  company stated well the car had a green light so it went forward.
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2023, 10:35:14 AM »

“ left turn assist, has the potential to address crashes in which another vehicle turns left in front of an oncoming motorcycle “

Requires the vehicle to actually be signaling a left turn!
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2023, 10:40:29 AM »

They forgot one obvious thing - stop talking on your cell phone while driving !!!!!
I don’t mind the talking so much. Especially if it’s the hands free sort. What I do mind is all the texting and scrolling the social networks.
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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2023, 02:26:07 PM »

The GPS should be setup (destination inputted) before setting out, or let your passenger do it.
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2023, 10:38:34 PM »

I'm not interested in any of the electronic riding "assist" except for the ABS. And that's up in the air. I've had bike ABS since "99. Maybe because it's so seamless on my ST1100. I really knew when it was in play on my BMW F650.

The cars are worse. With all the auto pilot cars, the Interstate has turned into a 3 lane Froger (early computer game) course.

The little plastic thinggie in my wallet says driver license on it.
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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2023, 06:33:52 AM »

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Motorcyclists are often labeled as risk-takers, so perhaps that’s why our society continues to accept this loss of life. It’s true that riding involves extra risk compared with driving passenger vehicles, but it’s possible to reduce the risk without diminishing the joys and thrills that define motorcycling.


There's no doubt in my mind that riding is more dangerous than just about any other form of transportation.   But we do it because we love the experience.  

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If we’re serious about reducing motorcyclist deaths, we need, at a minimum, universal helmet laws in all states, antilock braking systems (ABS) on all new bikes, crash avoidance systems that detect motorcyclists, and a plan for lowering speeds of all vehicles on the road.  Together, these ideas make up a Safe System approach to reducing motorcyclist deaths and injuries. The Safe System idea — which has been incorporated into the federal government’s highway safety strategy, as well as that of many cities and states — recognizes that humans make mistakes, that mistakes should not lead to death and that everyone has a role to play.

Addressing the mentioned isssues one at a time, there's no doubt helmets save lives and reduce injuries.  Many of us have experience with helmets doing their intended use, I'm one of them.   I've only ridden one bike (in my short life with ABS and didn't have any reason to do any emergency braking so, my opinion is very limited) but, in that the feds and the insurance institute did a study on the use of ABS in cages and determined that ABS did not significantly reduce the number of crashes or the seriousness of the crash that, ABS is no longer a requirement in new vehicles, I see little need for ABS.   Recently, my Ram 3500 had a Hydraulic Control System failure.   The HCU is coupled to the ABS, Traction Control and Cruise Control.   Took it to the dealer for repair.   Asked the dealer if the truck was safe to drive and was advised that my brakes would still work as intended, it just wouldn't have the ABS function.  Not a Safety Issue.  It may be different on motorcycles but, I have my doubts.

Crash avoidance systems that detect motorcyclists sounds like a very good idea and is most applicable to those who can't put their damn cell phones down.   More attentive drivers would seem like a safer thing to me.  The more driver assistance technology we get installed in our cages, the less attentive the  drivers are.    At least, that's my opinion.

Lowering speed limits across the board?   Yeah, good luck with that.   Not going to happen.   Remember how upset we all were when we were forced to drive 55 mph.   Yeah, me to.

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Mandatory helmet use is perhaps the most obvious item on my wish list, yet fewer than half of states require helmet use by all riders. Properly designed helmets reduce the likelihood of death by about 40 percent and the risk of traumatic brain injury by two-thirds. Over the years, when states weakened their helmet use laws, motorcyclist death rates almost always increased; when states strengthened their laws, death rates almost always declined. Helmet requirements are unpopular among some people, but they save lives.

Lastly, I agree that Mandatory Helmet Laws in all states would help reduce the fatalities and seriousness of motorcycle injuries.   Having said that, I'm still not in favor of such a federal law or all states requiring helmets.   That doesn't mean I get on any of my Valkyries without a helmet, I don't but, I sincerely believe that we as adults should have the right to ride helmet free.   I feel the same way about seat belts in cages.   Adults should be able to make the decision on helmets and seat belts, children should be wearing helmets and belted in and it should be the adult's responsibility to ensure they are helmeted or belted in.

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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2023, 10:54:08 AM »

I'm  sure some or possibly even all of those things would save lives. However the last thing I want is more government intervention in anything. I think people should take responsibility for their own well being. I personally wear all my gear all the time when I ride. I didn't  always, but have been fortunate to learn from my mistakes and survive them. I have no desire to force anyone else to follow my rules. I think drivers should be driving. We have all seen them doing everything but driving, and have had to defend ourselves from that behavior. No matter what is done to idiot proof something, they just invent a better idiot. It is just my opinion, but I prefer to reduce governmental regulations as much as possible.
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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2023, 06:18:04 PM »

I can say with 100% certainty that ABS on my Goldwing helped save my can!

I completely agree that helmets save lives and that any of us are foolish to ride without one.

With that said it should be a personal choice!

If I'm in an area that doesn't have a helmet law I have been known to not wear one if my ride is to be short and low speed.

I am not comfortable with the idea of taking a long ride or one at highway speeds without a helmet.

When universal seatbelt laws were being passed some insurance companies were refusing to pay claims if it could be proved that one wasn't being worn.

I can see them doing the same thing with helmets.
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2023, 06:48:25 PM »

"If I'm in an area that doesn't have a helmet law I have been known to not wear one if my ride is to be short and low speed."

gary busey almost died from doing that.

test. Hold a brick 3-4 feet above some concrete and drop it.

God Bless
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2023, 05:10:18 AM »

i absolutey HATE most of the techy gadget features my wife got in her newer Tucson.  Some are nice, but NONE are needed at all.

I swear EVERY single day if I am looking at other drivers nearby me in yuppie Madison WI in town driving,  someone is looking down at their cell phones and not paying attention.  I have been known to BLARE my horn for 10 seconds at the driver in front looking down at their cell phones at a green light but I usually wait about 3 seconds to do that before they get going finally.   Some have been known to flip the finger to me since I do NOT let off the horn until 3-4 seconds AFTER they get going to remind them they are Aholes.

agree on comment made the more techy gadgets on these newer vehicles, the LESS aware people are of their surroundings relying on the gadgets to look for them.  My ex neighbor who is a techy IT guy says he NEVER looks over his shoulder anymore while turning lanes relys on the turn signal and beeping feature if switching lanes to remind him if there is a car in the other lanes next to him.  DUMB.  NO wonder he has been in 3-4 accidents in past 15 years or so.

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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2023, 07:03:42 PM »

Better available, even mandatory, rider training.

Use of front brake as primary brake. Practice using it constantly.
Make it your first and reflexive move to stopping quickly and under control.

Basic things like looking farther down the road. Looking for problems at every intersection.

We're looking to rely on more and more tech solutions rather than pro-active conditioning ourselves to react reflexively and properly.

You don't get to think about it.

Motorcycling is easy on the beautiful sunny day, open road, and awesome Harley clothes.

But when that deer pops up, that guy hangs a left in front of you, that woman pulls out from that stop sign, it ain't easy unless you are prepared and practiced.
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