One step forward, 4 steps backward

[Savago]

Last week Judge Benitez ruled that the restricted magazines law in California is in violation of the 2nd amendment.

This was within Duncan v. Bonta case, that if I understood correctly, is being sponsored by the CRPA (California Rifle and Pistol Association).

Of course, the CA AG (a sob named 'Bonta') applied for a 10 days stay on Benitez decision and will readily appeal to the 9th circuit.

My guess is that the 9th 'circus' will rule in favor of Bonta and probably the case will take another 10 years to crawl its way to the SCOTUS.

Of course, Gavin Newson had to do something about it: today he signed 3 new gun restriction laws.

The new laws are: SB2, AB28, SB452.

One stops citizens that went through the pain and considerable expenses (e.g. in San Jose it cost over $1000 for the whole process) to get a CCW to basically carry in any other place that is not their own homes.

The other is the insane microstamping law that I posted about here a few weeks ago (basically it will ban any semi-auto pistol from being sold/transfered starting in 2028).

The last is a wooping +11% tax on guns and ammo, but keep in mind we generally pay around +10% in regular taxes, so in reality that is like +20% tax on guns.

The Governor is proudly saying that it is a 'sin tax'.

Now for one of these coincidences of the universe, the following 4 articles showed up in my reddit news feed:

1) CAGuns: gavin Newsom signs AB28 and calls it a sin tax.

2) BayArea: Target says it will close three stores in SF/Oakland, citing violence and theft.

3) LiberalGunOwners: small percentage of guntubers are truly apolitical or left wing.

4) Newson signs SB2, AB28 and SB452.


Am I the only one that sees the correlation here between disarming the population, making the 2A basically insanely expensive and cumbersome and a huge raising of violent crime?

I showed this to my friends (nice guys, love motorcycles, all highly successful engineers working for huge American companies) and there is no reaction.

I showed this to my beloved wife + daughter and they pretty much support the new Cali laws.

The legislation objective is *not* to make the streets safer. Its sole objective is to block the 2A rights to any law abiding citizen.

It certainly doesn't help that probably 99% of gun related media is infected by dudes who think they are smart for having a 'Let's go Brandon' t-shirt.

Sorry about the complains. It is just that sometimes I have the impression that everyone seems to ignore pure logic (i.e. disarm the citizens, bad guys will do whatever they want).

I promise that my next posts will be related to the new 2A stuff I managed to buy recently.
 

[Serk]

I started off as a VERY liberal gun guy... Over time I realized that the left hates me and wants me dead, and finally shifted away from supporting people who want me dead...

I wish you the best of luck and hope you complete your metamorphosis sooner rather than later...


Also.....

[Savago]

@Serk: I guess time will tell.
 

[98valk]

just be glad u don't live in Oregon were they just made all gun ownership illegal

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/oregon-sheriffs-association-says-fbi-position-makes-it-impossible-to-legally-buy-guns-5496747?src_src=partner&src_cmp=TheLibertyDaily

""Legal gun sales will end in Oregon should Ballot Measure 114 survive ongoing court challenges, according to guidance provided to all county sheriffs by the Oregon State Sheriffs Association (OSAA).

Because the FBI has stated that it will not conduct background checks for the new law, no enforcement officer will be able to issue a permit to purchase a weapon as required by the measure.

Doing so would be a crime, the legal guidance states.""

More voter fraud?? to get the measure passed

""In addition, OSAA advised sheriffs that virtually all firearm magazines would be banned after the law takes effect.

Anyone possessing them would be committing a crime and could be arrested.
That includes off-duty police officers.
Tougher Rules
Voters approved Measure 114 last year with 50.7 percent of Oregonians saying "yes."""

[0leman]

The ballot measure 114 in OR was passed by probably legal voters, just that the majority of the folks in OR live in three large metro areas. AND are left leaning.  AND were convinced that it was a good measure.  Considering that the measure only passed by that narrow margin shows that some of those city folks thought it was a bad law.

We will have to see it the judge declares it unconstitutional. 

AS far as CA laws just passed.  It won't affect the problem of folks using guns to commit crimes.

[Psychotic Bovine]

I'm going to be blunt:  Don't like it?  move.  But quit crying about it.  I'm tired of this, "California is beautiful and has perfect weather but I hate the policies stuff".  Who did you vote for last election?
Did you vote to recall Newsom?  Californians had their chance to end this, but they didn't.  They are reaping what they sowed.  If you didn't vote for it, then consider Cali a lost cause and move.  Don't want to move?  Keep quiet.  

It's simple.  Do something or keep quiet.

And I am really curious if you voted for Newsom.  I mean, he pretty much ran on this very platform.  The majority of people must have liked what he was saying since he was elected, reelected, then beat a recall campaign.  

[carolinarider09]

The topic is covered else where so, I removed my text.  You can see it here.

https://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,126575.0.html

[Jess from VA]

Sin tax is a tax on items considered undesirable or harmful, such as alcohol or tobacco (or hookers, if they could figure out how to tax them).

News flash, firearms are not a sin. 

What criminals do with them may be a sin, but that's on the criminal. 

More cutesy, lying democrat word play. 

Electing democrats to public office is a sin.  They get elected, and the taxes go right up.

[Oss]

So what exactly is the difference between bearing arms and bearing firearms that
these miscrants do not understand?

They should all rot in hell

[scooperhsd]

So what exactly is the difference between bearing arms and bearing firearms that
these miscrants do not understand?

They should all rot in hell

Well NY isn't much (if any) better on the way the state government feels about firearms. Gov. Hochul is as bad as "Gruesome Newsome".

[98valk]

The ballot measure 114 in OR was passed by probably legal voters, just that the majority of the folks in OR live in three large metro areas. AND are left leaning.  AND were convinced that it was a good measure.  Considering that the measure only passed by that narrow margin shows that some of those city folks thought it was a bad law.

We will have to see it the judge declares it unconstitutional. 

AS far as CA laws just passed.  It won't affect the problem of folks using guns to commit crimes.

isn't all of OR mail in voting? that sounds safe and no ballot stuffing?

[0leman]

The ballot measure 114 in OR was passed by probably legal voters, just that the majority of the folks in OR live in three large metro areas. AND are left leaning.  AND were convinced that it was a good measure.  Considering that the measure only passed by that narrow margin shows that some of those city folks thought it was a bad law.

We will have to see it the judge declares it unconstitutional. 

AS far as CA laws just passed.  It won't affect the problem of folks using guns to commit crimes.

Yes, been that way for a long time. 


isn't all of OR mail in voting? that sounds safe and no ballot stuffing?

[Robert]

Three things would change gun ownership practically overnight.

1 Get rid of Newsome and people like him

2 But an easier and more solid way, just start publishing stories of citizens defending themselves with guns. Publish the reasons for the 2A along with it and keep it up.

3 Like in the days past start shooting clubs and target practice for kids and even grownups. Familiarize kids with shooting and make it enjoyable instead of about self defense. Even go so far as to make it a family event.

Newsome is gruesome to me.

You could also publish the truth about people who had guns in the past and defended themselves or their country.

We have made gun ownership and the idea of standing against a government or anyone that attack us is a big scary event in peoples minds.  Therefore if we dont stand for personal freedom then why do we need to own a gun?

 Sovereign people have rights, government controlled people dont.

Insurance companies, laws in many states, courts, investigations, media, society stigma all come to mind with people defending themselves and so much more with guns involved. They push the scary button in peoples mind so they just are like sheep.

Look at Australia during COVID if you want to see what they will do to you without guns.

We in this country nearly lost the country because of this exact thinking. Clearly let the government do what it wants since its in control and we have our lives to get on with. Not clearly projecting the problem with anyone having absolute control over anyone else.

Nuclear weapons are exactly the same thing as gun ownership. We hope we will never have to use them but if we do we have them and if nothing else the opposing country is not going to get away unscathed. Unfortunately it seems rulers as well as men have to have the threat of a deterrent to keep on the straight and narrow.

Remove the fear, the stigma, make it known what they are for, instill a good sense of personal space, self respect and understanding that evil does sometimes come to your door and its ok to defend yourself and we will change society. 
 

[cookiedough]

the comment made about do not like it move, is not that easy to do if your job and livelihood depends on staying where you are at in California, etc.      Unless close to another state nearby making the move plausible and still able to make your current job/family say in California work, is not that easy to do am sure.

After hearing stories of a new coworker who grew up a long time in California, I for one will never be moving there ever.  Nice place to visit am sure, but not live.   After I heard the co worker say that his parents 3000 sq. ft home property taxes in California were 30K per year,  I dropped in awe of how expensive it is to live there of which I could never afford.   Makes my 3500 property taxes per year seem cheap I guess even though was only 1500 per year some 20 years ago. 

[Bret SD]

I'm going to be blunt:  Don't like it?  move.  But quit crying about it.  I'm tired of this, "California is beautiful and has perfect weather but I hate the policies stuff".  Who did you vote for last election?
Did you vote to recall Newsom?  Californians had their chance to end this, but they didn't.  They are reaping what they sowed.  If you didn't vote for it, then consider Cali a lost cause and move.  Don't want to move?  Keep quiet. 

It's simple.  Do something or keep quiet.

And I am really curious if you voted for Newsom.  I mean, he pretty much ran on this very platform.  The majority of people must have liked what he was saying since he was elected, reelected, then beat a recall campaign. 

After dems stole the WH in 2020 I thought this way of thinking would go away, Ca is the place where cheating has been perfected for literal decades. That cheat machine method has now been migrated to the national level.

Trump won Ca and Larry Elder won the recall, I have no doubt on this. We in Ca did Not vote for this, Ca is a very red state if you look at county maps, controlled by shatholes and cheats, just like NY, Il and many other 'blue' states.

[98valk]

I'm going to be blunt:  Don't like it?  move.  But quit crying about it.  I'm tired of this, "California is beautiful and has perfect weather but I hate the policies stuff".  Who did you vote for last election?
Did you vote to recall Newsom?  Californians had their chance to end this, but they didn't.  They are reaping what they sowed.  If you didn't vote for it, then consider Cali a lost cause and move.  Don't want to move?  Keep quiet. 

It's simple.  Do something or keep quiet.

And I am really curious if you voted for Newsom.  I mean, he pretty much ran on this very platform.  The majority of people must have liked what he was saying since he was elected, reelected, then beat a recall campaign. 

After dems stole the WH in 2020 I thought this way of thinking would go away, Ca is the place where cheating has been perfected for literal decades. That cheat machine method has now been migrated to the national level.

Trump won Ca and Larry Elder won the recall, I have no doubt on this. We in Ca did Not vote for this, Ca is a very red state if you look at county maps, controlled by shatholes and cheats, just like NY, Il and many other 'blue' states.

bad in NJ also. NJ legislature has been controlled by democrats since 1974.  latest gov election Murphy was losing all day and night until late nite hours when they started counting the mail in ballots, Murphy then wins.