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Watching the news this morning in Houston area. Police pursute of a stolen vehicle the bad guy hit a 19 yr old motorcycle rider at over a 100 mph. Motorcycle is shredded. Cant even tell if its a Harly or a crotch rocket. Poor cyclist was just riding...had on a full helmet....enjoying his ride.....in less than a second he lost his life. Bad guy didnt stop but is in custody. Bad guy doesnt deserve a trial....put him against the wall and shoot him. He is guilty. Why do we feel a need to spend tons of tax payer dollars to try this guy? Im upset watching this. I hate these kinds of stories.
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2023, 05:47:42 AM » |
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2023, 06:42:45 AM » |
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Watching the news this morning in Houston area. Police pursute of a stolen vehicle the bad guy hit a 19 yr old motorcycle rider at over a 100 mph. Motorcycle is shredded. Cant even tell if its a Harly or a crotch rocket. Poor cyclist was just riding...had on a full helmet....enjoying his ride.....in less than a second he lost his life. Bad guy didnt stop but is in custody. Bad guy doesnt deserve a trial....put him against the wall and shoot him. He is guilty. Why do we feel a need to spend tons of tax payer dollars to try this guy? Im upset watching this. I hate these kinds of stories.
The only way this will change is if the laws, that are on the books that we all know exist, are actually enforced. Yes, there are times when police pursuit can be dangerous. I have never done that job so, I leave it to them to make the appropriate decision based on their training. And you are right, we don't need to spend tons of money and long trial periods to determine the guilt. But, it's the legal system. It has morphed over the years. I wish his parents some peace and comfort if the law is enforced. But it will not bring the motorcyclist back. |
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2023, 08:14:29 AM » |
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I get your sentiment (not that I haven't felt the same sometimes), but if we didn't have trials for this, what else would they not want to do trials for ?
At the 40 year NROTC unit reunion, one of my closest friends (was also a MC rider until he moved to Miami) was trying to convince me to give it up as well. I told that I'm with you guys, and that several of you are even older than me and you're still riding. I'll admit I need to ride more, but my back is finally getting enough better that maybe I can do some more next year (I don't do cold and have never ridden in the snow).
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2023, 02:47:09 PM » |
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It's sad & my heart goes out to the teen and his family but these types of things happen all the time. Sometimes caused by the "bad guy" sometimes by those trying to enforce the laws and sometimes just the wrong place at the wrong time. There's just more risk when riding a bike and so many things out of our control. We had a lady lose her life earlier this year in Tulsa after hitting pot holes and loosing control and apparently wasn't the first in the same section of highway. https://www.newson6.com/story/63f55fe558d02e1895f0022e/tulsa-highway-conditions-blamed-for-crash-that-killed-motorcyclistAnd I seen this last night, police pursuit of a car at high speed in Arkansas. Not sure what the speed of the state police was but I imagine the biker looked and didn't see anything then just went without expecting anyone to come flying over the hill as he changed lanes & probably couldn't hear the sirens until it was too late. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDNnME5gLp8&ab_channel=PolicePursuitsEach situation is different and each could have contributing factors. In the case of the Houston teen one could argue the police should not have engaged in a high speed chase over street racing and that they contributed to the fatality. Just saying, I wasn't there don't know the circumstances. That's in part why we have a trial system imo. |
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2023, 05:46:42 PM » |
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Each situation is different and each could have contributing factors. In the case of the Houston teen one could argue the police should not have engaged in a high speed chase over street racing and that they contributed to the fatality. Just saying, I wasn't there don't know the circumstances. That's in part why we have a trial system imo.
The statement in bold text is one of the reasons the motorcyclist is dead. It is a ridiculous premise to say the police are at fault, a concept dreamed up by lawyers (ambulance chasers), that has enabled criminals to skirt responsibility for their actions, and cost taxpayers millions in damages to compensate victims families. Why should the police not have engaged in a high speed chase over street racing, (a crime)? Why did the criminal engaged in a high speed chase over street racing, rather than just stop and accept their citation or arrest? This is the exact same line of thought that has brought us increased shoplifting and smash and grab robberies and emboldened criminals. HOLD CRIMINALS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS, AND PROSECUTE THEM TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW. JMHO. |
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2023, 07:18:08 PM » |
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Agreed.  Simple (fair and uniform) enforcement of the laws trumps all stupid progressive policies. HOLD CRIMINALS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS (yes), AND PROSECUTE THEM TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW (not in every case, as in first offenders and mitigating circumstances; everyone doesn't need the book thrown at them, but some do... like violent crimes and repeat offenders). |
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2023, 07:41:53 PM » |
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By thexway...the driver who hit the biker was driving a stolen car.
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2023, 07:51:45 PM » |
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Each situation is different and each could have contributing factors. In the case of the Houston teen one could argue the police should not have engaged in a high speed chase over street racing and that they contributed to the fatality. Just saying, I wasn't there don't know the circumstances. That's in part why we have a trial system imo.
The statement in bold text is one of the reasons the motorcyclist is dead. It is a ridiculous premise to say the police are at fault, a concept dreamed up by lawyers (ambulance chasers), that has enabled criminals to skirt responsibility for their actions, and cost taxpayers millions in damages to compensate victims families. Why should the police not have engaged in a high speed chase over street racing, (a crime)? Why did the criminal engaged in a high speed chase over street racing, rather than just stop and accept their citation or arrest? This is the exact same line of thought that has brought us increased shoplifting and smash and grab robberies and emboldened criminals. HOLD CRIMINALS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS, AND PROSECUTE THEM TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW. JMHO. I'm not sure I follow you here. In your first sentence you referred to and quoted a section of my original post which you had bolded and said that "is one of the reasons the motorcyclist is dead.". But everything following appears to dismiss any responsibility by the police or any other contributing factors. I agree criminals should be held accountable. But there is a point where a police pursuit can escalate a situation rather than de-escalate and put the public at risk. The reason they pull back a pursuit is the risk to public safety has become to dangerous. Sometimes with eyes in the sky they get them once they've parked. Seems they didn't think the risk to the public was high enough in this instance to call off the pursuit. But I bet the teens family have a differing opinion. 100+ mph through Houston city streets seems pretty dangerous to me. |
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2023, 05:09:44 AM » |
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was a KIA stolen, go after KIA/Hyundai and sue them for their cars are easily stolen nationwide. Would not surprise me that they will get sued. My 3 Hyundai's my progressive insurance jacked up my rates over 100 each per 6 months premium simply because is a Hyundai and they getting stolen nationwide by the KIA boyz. Am surprised anyone would buy a Hyundai/Kia since some insurance companies are not insuring them due to some model years being stolen easily.
these young punks stealing these cars nationwide need to be put in jail for 20 years since am sure most have done this stealing more than once
seen a few years ago a HD rider die right in front of me on the road due to both SUV turning in front of him and the HD rider running a red light both thinking they could make it thru the intersection before light turned fully red. Well, the HD rider got t-boned SUV passenger door doing 35 mph flipped over body entirely over SUV landing on other side flat on his back/head no helmet. He died 1 week later in hospital. All I heard out my window him in front of me was F... didn't even get the full word out before bike front fork smashed flat into SUV door. Saw the SUV guy come out of vehicle pulling over just bitching like it was the HD fault NOT his. BOTH at fault here for sure, but more so SUV guy IMO.
2 months ago a 19 year old on cycle lost his life somehow he pulled out on main busy Hwy and he did not see the truck coming at him on main hwy. Was nearby me as well about 13 miles from my house on 1 of 2 main hwys. in my area. Makes me weary of riding cycles past few years seeing or hearing about 2 deaths close by me. I have been in a few near misses but luckily my head was on a swivel and anticipated the idiots in cages around me or else I might not be here either.
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2023, 05:40:46 AM » |
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In the news this morning....
HOUSTON - A police chase ends in a fatal crash, leaving a 19-year-old dead, and a 16-year-old charged with a host of crimes, including felony murder, intoxication manslaughter, failure to stop and render aid, evading arrest and unauthorized use of a motor vehicle.13 hours ago
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2023, 06:46:20 AM » |
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In the news this morning....
HOUSTON - A police chase ends in a fatal crash, leaving a 19-year-old dead, and a 16-year-old charged with a host of crimes, including felony murder, intoxication manslaughter, failure to stop and render aid, evading arrest and unauthorized use of a motor vehicle.13 hours ago
That's a crap load of charges! There was a similar situation in Roanoke about 30 yrs ago where a young intoxicated driver was responsible for the death of a 20 yr old. The father of the 20 yr old owned a big auto dealership in the valley. Part of the plea deal that kept the juvenile out of jail was that he had to go to the local high schools several times a year and speak to the students about the dangers of drinking and driving. He had to do this for something like 10 years before he could stop. Making him tell the story of his crime and its effects over and over again was some unusual punishment. Hopefully, it did deter other kids from driving drunk. As for the topic of high speed police chases. I think that technology has evolved to the point that they shouldn't be the biggest hammer in the toolbox any longer. The police have many other ways to catch them that don't put innocent lives at risk. |
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2023, 09:43:44 AM » |
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we have folks operating electric scooters, gas scooters, e bikes ON THE SIDEWALKS doing 30mph plus
riding the wrong way on streets, no helmets, no insurance
They are scared of nothing, they are not chased
People get hurt all the time, all ages, races etc
And I see ebikes left all over the sidewalks everywhere I go
I even see the blasted things on the highways from time to time
This was a story that is so tragic, yet it can happen to any rider. Just because you have a green light.....
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2023, 03:21:30 PM » |
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Wonder why the cop didn't just shoot the tires out on the stolen car?
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2023, 04:28:31 PM » |
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“ Because the crash happened outside of the city, the Harris County Sheriff's Office is conducting the investigation. The District Attorney's Office is also investigating. “HPD said the primary officer in the chase has been with the department for three years. He will be placed on administrative duty, per the department's policy.” “Houston police edited their pursuit policy in September after another fatal crash involving suspects fleeing police.” “The policy bans pursuits for minor thefts, traffic violations, and misdemeanor warrants. It also mandates a supervisor approve every pursuit.” Sorry a person lost their life because of some a$$hole who stole a car and went racing but car theft s not (imo) a minor theft isn’t it a felony to begin with? Is grand theft auto still a charge and not just a hoodlum video game? People used to be hung for stealing a horse I consider a vehicle a modern day horse…and much more. Lock that person up and throw away the key for a long time. It’s a shame people like this can’t be put on 30 years hard labor breaking big rocks into little rocks 10 hours a day 6 days a week rain/shine/hail/thunder/lightning/sleet/snow/hurricane/earthquake/flood/snakes/spiders/asteroid/meteor/lava flow or zombies for 40 or 50 years. |
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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2023, 06:08:28 AM » |
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“ Because the crash happened outside of the city, the Harris County Sheriff's Office is conducting the investigation. The District Attorney's Office is also investigating. “HPD said the primary officer in the chase has been with the department for three years. He will be placed on administrative duty, per the department's policy.” “Houston police edited their pursuit policy in September after another fatal crash involving suspects fleeing police.” “The policy bans pursuits for minor thefts, traffic violations, and misdemeanor warrants. It also mandates a supervisor approve every pursuit.” Sorry a person lost their life because of some a$$hole who stole a car and went racing but car theft s not (imo) a minor theft isn’t it a felony to begin with? Is grand theft auto still a charge and not just a hoodlum video game? People used to be hung for stealing a horse I consider a vehicle a modern day horse…and much more. Lock that person up and throw away the key for a long time. It’s a shame people like this can’t be put on 30 years hard labor breaking big rocks into little rocks 10 hours a day 6 days a week rain/shine/hail/thunder/lightning/sleet/snow/hurricane/earthquake/flood/snakes/spiders/asteroid/meteor/lava flow or zombies for 40 or 50 years. Just my guess....being 16 yrs old he is not going to see much punishment |
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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2023, 02:29:18 PM » |
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“ Because the crash happened outside of the city, the Harris County Sheriff's Office is conducting the investigation. The District Attorney's Office is also investigating. “HPD said the primary officer in the chase has been with the department for three years. He will be placed on administrative duty, per the department's policy.” “Houston police edited their pursuit policy in September after another fatal crash involving suspects fleeing police.” “The policy bans pursuits for minor thefts, traffic violations, and misdemeanor warrants. It also mandates a supervisor approve every pursuit.” Sorry a person lost their life because of some a$$hole who stole a car and went racing but car theft s not (imo) a minor theft isn’t it a felony to begin with? Is grand theft auto still a charge and not just a hoodlum video game? People used to be hung for stealing a horse I consider a vehicle a modern day horse…and much more. Lock that person up and throw away the key for a long time. It’s a shame people like this can’t be put on 30 years hard labor breaking big rocks into little rocks 10 hours a day 6 days a week rain/shine/hail/thunder/lightning/sleet/snow/hurricane/earthquake/flood/snakes/spiders/asteroid/meteor/lava flow or zombies for 40 or 50 years. Just my guess....being 16 yrs old he is not going to see much punishment Yeah, that’s a shame. |
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