Francis Scott Key Bridge-Maryland I-695 DOWN/COLLAPSED

[Jersey mike]

With video of collapse;

“Maryland: Ship hits Francis Scott Key Bridge causing it to collapse”


https://www.foxnews.com/us/maryland-ship-hits-francis-scott-key-bridge-causing-collapse

[98valk]

another terrorist attack on American history??

Francis Scott Key
American lawyer and poet who wrote The Star-Spangled Banner (1779-1843)

[LadyDraco]

With video of collapse;

“Maryland: Ship hits Francis Scott Key Bridge causing it to collapse”


https://www.foxnews.com/us/maryland-ship-hits-francis-scott-key-bridge-causing-collapse

That huge  cargo ship just took it  OUT !. You can see  there  was  vehicles  on it 

[Jersey mike]

Report is there was a small crew working on the bridge, maybe concrete repair/work but thankfully it wasn’t rush hour.

[scooperhsd]

It's still bad enough. I think I have driven over that bridge sometime in the past.

[Serk]

Still early, but looks like the cargo ship lost power twice before hitting the bridge support. Possible mechanical fire, some talk of a fire on board the ship.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1772552045951852756

[Oss]

prayers for those missing   

Guess we will head up 81 to get home, no way going anywhere near 95 north of 26

[LadyDraco]

prayers for those missing   

Guess we will head up 81 to get home, no way going anywhere near 95 north of 26

That would  be  wise

[Jess from VA]

prayers for those missing  

Guess we will head up I-81 to get home, no way going anywhere near 95 north of 26

Evan, I-81 is always the better (nicer) drive than I-95 in Virginia (which can be bumper to bumper for hours anytime day or night).  You just have to do some zigging and zagging as you get North of VA.

Back before Covid when there was actual police traffic enforcement, more rural I-81 is/was mostly owned by the VA State Police, who had little sense of humor (but top professionalism).  As I-81 up the backbone of VA is a lot of rolling hills (with slowing truck traffic on the uphills), they liked to set up radar just over the hill crests, so it was easy to get caught speeding passing the slower trucks up all those hills.  

So beware of that.  

Though around here in suburban NoVA, traffic enforcement has largely disappeared and large assholes routinely drive 40-55 though my 25mph neighborhood.  And you take your life in your hands walking in the streets anymore.  

[old2soon]

     I've been over that bridge more than a couple times in a big truck. Sometimes you Could feel the sway as you passed over it. NOT calling this terrorism. But in another thread I did mention dropping a few select bridges Would paralyze transportation. A water way and a MAIN Highway now down for HOW Long? Maryland D O T will post alternate routes but you just KNOW the acronym needed now is-F U B A R. Should you Not Know this acronym P M Any former Military service member!  RIDE SAFE.

[Louis]

It looked to me the ship poured on the coal before hitting the bridge support.

[carolinarider09]

Still early, but looks like the cargo ship lost power twice before hitting the bridge support. Possible mechanical fire, some talk of a fire on board the ship.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1772552045951852756

I saw a similar video.  The ships lights do go out twice before hitting the bridge and the ship seem to change direction when the power returns from the first outage. 

The ship was leaving port at the time of the event, it was reported.

[old2soon]

It looked to me the ship poured on the coal before hitting the bridge support.

    Large Deep draft ships take a Long Time to answer rudder changes and speed changes. I base this on time I spent on an Aircraft Carrier USS Yorktown CVS 10. Like tryin to control an 18 wheeler with 35 flat tires. The slower the speed of the ship the slower the control responses are. Are there any former Helmsman here that helmed large ships? RIDE SAFE.

[scooperhsd]

The thing about ships - they DO NOT turn / stop / accelerate on a dime. The ones that come closest to that are USN destroyers / frigates and cruisers - especially the Gas turbine ones - they are a blast to "drive' as the conning officer (BTDT). That freighter is half again as large as a CVN.

[Jess from VA]

It looked to me the ship poured on the coal before hitting the bridge support.

    Large Deep draft ships take a Long Time to answer rudder changes and speed changes. I base this on time I spent on an Aircraft Carrier USS Yorktown CVS 10. Like tryin to control an 18 wheeler with 35 flat tires. The slower the speed of the ship the slower the control responses are. Are there any former Helmsman here that helmed large ships? RIDE SAFE.

What Dennis is saying is that they may have poured on the coal (hit the gas) in order to gain more and quicker steerage (hopefully away from the bridge).
 

I once had the opportunity to helm a great big 75 foot Belgian yacht around San Diego harbor.  The owner wanted to schmooze with a bunch of his affluent guests.  I was raised on boats (though mostly sailing yachts, but they still had power), and enjoyed putting around the harbor full of giant Navy ships (including 2 aircraft carriers).  

Anyone knows yachting rules knows sail generally has right of way over power (and power is supposed to get out of the way of sail, mostly).  Well some dingus in a little 16 foot catboat sailor, kept tacking across my bow just to fok with me, and at slow speed the boat wasn't exactly turning on any dimes.

The owner saw this and came scrambling up to tell me to watch out for that guy.

Are you going to run that guy over????

I'm thinking about it.  

So he took over, and I had a couple margaritas.    

[98valk]

question is, was the River Pilot onboard or involved? Did the ship leave port before the Pilot was onboard and/or involved?

[old2soon]

    Another WAG maybe the heavy smoke from the stacks could be because whoever had the helm Demanded Full Power REVERSE. While I am Not a Ships Pilot but wouldn't a vessel that size require assistance from a couple of tug boats? And the Dali if what the "news" reported is correct that ship is a bit longer than USS Yorktown. Well sooner or later the powers that be may sort it all out. RIDE SAFE.

[98valk]

The thing about ships - they DO NOT turn / stop / accelerate on a dime. The ones that come closest to that are USN destroyers / frigates and cruisers - especially the Gas turbine ones - they are a blast to "drive' as the conning officer (BTDT). That freighter is half again as large as a CVN.

yep. variable props, rode those ships while INSURV was putting them thru their paces.  whole ship vibrated esp the stern during the crash back testing. Aegis destroyers are very fast.

[carolinarider09]

Report I just heard on Newsmax said the River Pilot was onboard at the time of the event.

[Challenger]

And Biden just anounced the Federal Government will pay to rebuild the bridge. What about the cargo company?  

[scooperhsd]

The thing about ships - they DO NOT turn / stop / accelerate on a dime. The ones that come closest to that are USN destroyers / frigates and cruisers - especially the Gas turbine ones - they are a blast to "drive' as the conning officer (BTDT). That freighter is half again as large as a CVN.

yep. variable props, rode those ships while INSURV was putting them thru their paces.  whole ship vibrated esp the stern during the crash back testing. Aegis destroyers are very fast.

Yep and yep - (crashback stops) - they can literally go from max speed forward to dead stop in ship's length - I've done that. My FFG had to do a repeat as we were coming out of overhaul. Most of the small boys  can make "in excess of 30 knots".

[Jess from VA]

If mainland China sunk below the ocean, Biden would happily pay to have it raised up again.  

The man likes to play God, with OUR money.  

[Jess from VA]

Yep and yep - (crashback stops) - they can literally go from max speed forward to dead stop in ship's length - I've done that. My FFG had to do a repeat as we were coming out of overhaul. Most of the small boys  can make "in excess of 30 knots".

Did any sailor ever water ski behind one of those fast ships?   

[Jersey mike]

Some news regarding past history of the ship, apparently it was involved in another accident in 2016.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/ship-caused-baltimore-bridge-collapse-130320339.html


Also came across this article which gives some operational information about how captains and harbor pilots work together.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ve-captained-ships-tight-ports-213113532.html

[98valk]

And Biden just anounced the Federal Government will pay to rebuild the bridge. What about the cargo company?  

so 50 yr old bridge that needed to be replaced with a more lanes larger one.  Democrat state that built it doesn't have money to upgrade it today. so cause major chaos and Fed steps in to bailout a bankrupt Democrat state to build a new larger bridge.
seen fed govt do things like this before like the new mobile alabama port authority and port. Navy builds a brand new naval base there and then 2 yrs later closes it down the base and turns it over to the port authority for free. I was there when they shut it down, sailed out of there doing some INSURV inspections and they were still building more buildings and finishing buildings they already built. finishing out the contracts. The locals civilian and govt told me all of the details.

[98valk]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/was-it-accident-lara-logan-intel-sources-claim/

""Multiple intel sources: The Baltimore bridge collapse was an “absolutely brilliant strategic attack” on US critical infrastructure – most likely cyber – & our intel agencies know it. In information warfare terms, they just divided the US along the Mason-Dixon line, exactly like the Civil War.

The second busiest strategic roadway in the nation for hazardous material is now down for 4-5 years – which is how long they say it will take to recover. Bridge was built specifically to move hazardous material – fuel, diesel, propane gas, nitrogen, highly flammable materials, chemicals, and oversized cargo that cannot fit in the tunnels – that supply chain now crippled.

Make no mistake: this was an extraordinary attack in terms of planning, timing & execution.

The two critical components on that bridge are the two load-bearing pylons on each end, closest to the shore. They are bigger, thicker and deeper than anything else. These are the anchor points and they knew that hitting either one one of them would be a fatal wound to the integrity of the bridge.""

[Jersey mike]

And Biden just anounced the Federal Government will pay to rebuild the bridge. What about the cargo company?  

so 50 yr old bridge that needed to be replaced with a more lanes larger one.  Democrat state that built it doesn't have money to upgrade it today. so cause major chaos and Fed steps in to bailout a bankrupt Democrat state to build a new larger bridge.
seen fed govt do things like this before like the new mobile alabama port authority and port. Navy builds a brand new naval base there and then 2 yrs later closes it down the base and turns it over to the port authority for free. I was there when they shut it down, sailed out of there doing some INSURV inspections and they were still building more buildings and finishing buildings they already built. finishing out the contracts. The locals civilian and govt told me all of the details.

Wouldn’t there be insurance policies in place for such situations? Wasn’t the bridge itself insured and yes there should (or I would think) an insurance policy from the cargo company as well.

Not to back The President’s play here but any money put up by the fed could come as fed highway funds and a little something until any insurance monies can be paid out.

[scooperhsd]

I predict they will have the wrecked old bridge out of the way in less than 6 months and the new bridge in place by this time next year. It's amazing what can happen when it is something THIS important.

And I really doubt it being an attack or planned for event. That just defies logic.

[Oss]

I have seen video of explosive charges going off at several locations on the bridge when it collapsed

The port of Baltimore is crucial to the defense and offense of this country

The Port is now closed until we can open the channel.

IMHO we need nothing less than explosives and a VERY large surface vessel to tow pieces out so shipping can again pass thru

All of our coal exports to Europe pass thru the port and as stated, that bridge was how dangerous cargo avoided the tunnels

This is no time to close an investigation unless the government caused the disaster on its own

If so, I want to see heads roll

[DIGGER]

This may have already been seen....


https://www.facebook.com/share/r/63WAVN3emCu2siS2/?mibextid=0VwfS7

[Jersey mike]

Just a little tidbit I picked up on while reading about this situation, apparently the Port of Baltimore is the biggest destination for stolen cars in the country.

Also Black Box info released at press conference.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/ntsb-releases-data-dalis-black-box-reveals-no/

[LTD]

not buying anything the media is saying

[The emperor has no clothes]

I predict they will have the wrecked old bridge out of the way in less than 6 months and the new bridge in place by this time next year. It's amazing what can happen when it is something THIS important.

And I really doubt it being an attack or planned for event. That just defies logic.

I can see them having the wreckage removed in less than 6 months. I have huge doubts a new bridge can be constructed within a year.

I also have HUGE doubts it was a planned event. I have watched the video of the wreck several times. I’ve seen NO explosive charges going off. Sometimes accidents happen.

[scooperhsd]

I predict they will have the wrecked old bridge out of the way in less than 6 months and the new bridge in place by this time next year. It's amazing what can happen when it is something THIS important.

And I really doubt it being an attack or planned for event. That just defies logic.

I can see them having the wreckage removed in less than 6 months. I have huge doubts a new bridge can be constructed within a year.

I also have HUGE doubts it was a planned event. I have watched the video of the wreck several times. I’ve seen NO explosive charges going off. Sometimes accidents happen.

Getting the wreckage removed (to open the port back up) is of HUGE importance. The replacement bridge can probably be built while ships are going in and out of the harbor. The Army Corps of Engineers has already got the biggest crane on the Eastern Seaboard onsite, but even so, there are pieces of the bridge debris that will need to be cut up into smaller pieces to be raised out of the way. And they HAVE to remove ALL OF IT - ships like the Dali hull is within 12-18 inches of the bottom of the channel. Those divers that can cut steel at 50 feet below the surface are going to be working their butts off to get this done.

[Jersey mike]

“ Owner of ship that crashed into Baltimore bridge will likely try to invoke 1851 law used to cap damages after Titanic disaster”

https://www.businessinsider.com/ship-owner-baltimore-bridge-crash-likely-invoke-law-cap-damages-2024-3

[Bret SD]

I have seen video of explosive charges going off at several locations on the bridge when it collapsed

The port of Baltimore is crucial to the defense and offense of this country

The Port is now closed until we can open the channel.

IMHO we need nothing less than explosives and a VERY large surface vessel to tow pieces out so shipping can again pass thru

All of our coal exports to Europe pass thru the port and as stated, that bridge was how dangerous cargo avoided the tunnels

This is no time to close an investigation unless the government caused the disaster on its own

If so, I want to see heads roll

They 911'd the bridge.. our own POS 'government'. JAG and GITMO await.

[Bret SD]

Baltimore Bridge Collapse Reportedly Traps U.S. Military Cargo Ships In Port, ‘Huge Problem If War Starts’

https://100percentfedup.com/baltimore-bridge-collapse-reportedly-traps-u-s-military-cargo-ships-in-port-huge-problem-if-war-starts/

[scooperhsd]

Baltimore Bridge Collapse Reportedly Traps U.S. Military Cargo Ships In Port, ‘Huge Problem If War Starts’

https://100percentfedup.com/baltimore-bridge-collapse-reportedly-traps-u-s-military-cargo-ships-in-port-huge-problem-if-war-starts/

Yes - this was on the news the day it happened. There is NO traffic moving in / out of Baltimore harbor until the bridge debris is picked up.