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carolinarider09
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« on: November 25, 2024, 12:39:24 PM »

I have not used the observatory I built (with the help of a couple of friends about 20 years ago) for some time now.  Riding my motorcycle became more of a desire than using telescopes I built and have used.

But, two Sunday's ago, our church had a little thing after the Sunday Morning service called St. Luke's Got Talent.  The idea was to show what "talents" the members of the church had that some may not. Have.

Most of the talent presentations were either singing or playing a musical instrument.  I asked the Pastor if I could do a presentation on "Telescope Making".  So, I had to go get a Telescope to take to the presentation along with a PowerPoint presentation on what the average person could to to make a telescope.  

I have made 8" and 10" and 12.5" and a 24" reflecting telescope.  All, except the 8" are still operational.  (well the mirror on the 24" is need of clearing.  

This is a picture of the Observatory just after we finished building it.




This is a picture of how the Roll Off roof is construction.  



The wheel/rollers set on a 4" x 4" piece of steel angle iron about 24 feet long (welded together to get the needed length.

Well, today I just wanted to clean it up and remove the squirrel "nests" that the squirrels seem to build each fall.  Today, when I cleaned out one place I actually had two squirrels run off.  Lucky there were no baby squirrels.  I would have felt a little guilt about that.  

But I cleaned up the inside and made sure all the electronics still work.  This includes the computers that I use to find objects and the telescope drive.  The drive is just a 60Hz 120 VAC motor but. the controller allows you to change the speed from normal to fast to slow so you can re-center objects in the telescope's eyepiece.

So, here are some pictures of the interior after cleanup.  

12.5" f/5 Newtonian Reflector (I built).



The only parts I did not build were the bearing used for the shaft and the gears used for the drive.  Oh and the pipe fittings and bearings.  

Here is a view of the stuff I used to find some objects (other are other similar ways but I like gadgets).



The three computer screens are used for various operations and I can change their inputs. The main computer is an older iMac.  The black box is the telescope drive controller, the second one I built.  It as not as "versatile" as the first but work.  



Here is a picture of the 24" Dobsonian I built and used at Star Parties.  



Here is a picture of the 10" Dob.  It is the one I took to the Church for my presentation. It's nice, simple and easy to use.  



And last, but not really least, is something called a "CopyScope".  Back in the day, people were trying to get simple telescopes so they can be easily shared.  This one is simple.  It's a lens from an "older" copy machine.  It has a right angle eyepiece holder and is till useable.  

And this is a picture I took with the 12.5" telescope using a 35mm camera attacked to the telescope focuser.  It's probably a 30 to 40 minute guided exposure.  

Today, many of the pictures are taken with CCD cameras and are short exposures and the images are stacked to give greater detail.  I still like the old school method.  

However, I did build a CD-245 CCD Camera back in the late 90's.  This image may be from that camera.



You take a bunch of short time exposures and then use a computer to "stack" the images to improve the detail.  Back then we only had access to black and white CCD imagers (well at least that was all I had.

It might have even won a photo contest back in the summer of 1999.

http://midlandsastronomyclub.org/gallery/1999pics/su99sccd.shtml
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2024, 01:02:54 PM »

Cool!  cooldude  Did you get a trophy?  Huh?
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2024, 01:21:06 PM »

Whoa!  Very Impressive.  Space is a fascinating topic to me....I know soooo little but always enjoy any shows on PBS (or wherever).  Hard for me to really comprehend the vastness of it all.

Well done!
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2024, 01:58:13 PM »

Cool!  cooldude  Did you get a trophy?  Huh?


No, I think the "annual" winner might have gotten a "Plaque", but no trophies.  Just a "document" say that this person won this category.

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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2024, 02:04:45 PM »

One of the best parts of Amateur Astronomy (especially with a local Club) is the club has "Star Parties".

You go to a dark site, bring your telescope and do things.  Before I built the 24", I'd go to the club's Star Parties to take pictures, but I'd spend the first hour or so, sharing views with other that did not have a telescope. 

When I built the 24" Dobsonian, I'd take it to the club's Star Parties just to share the views and look at deep sky objects.  You had to climb an eight foot step ladder to be able to see the object in the eyepiece. 

I remember one young lady claiming the ladder to look at Saturn.  When she got to the eyepiece, she exclaimed "It really has rings".  Cool!!!!

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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2024, 02:49:20 PM »

That is all quite impressive Bill.   cooldude

Hopefully, the neighbor ladies use their curtains.   Grin   (I apologize.)


I have one little 30X telescope given me as a childhood Christmas present (pretty lousy, hard to focus and it must be rested on something, not hand held).

But I have several sets of good binoculars.   
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2024, 03:08:39 PM »

I forgot to include some pictures of the "copy scope".



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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2024, 05:18:21 AM »

Wow, Jim, that is impressive!

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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2024, 05:50:43 AM »

I have no words.  This is awesome.  The roof and its supports are amazing.
You have quite the talent.

Hay  Cool
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2024, 04:25:06 PM »

Thanks for all the positive comments.

I enjoyed the work in making it and using it has been special. 

And yes I did have help, mostly in laying the concrete block and mortar foundation. 
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2024, 05:34:40 AM »

Very cool stuff Jim.  I have a Dob 8", and a vespera smart scope. I live in Bortel 1 area and the images I have gotten from the Vespera are pretty impressive.  I'm an old school guy too, but man, the size and ease of use of the smart scopes sure make it easy to image deep space.  I bet your 24" dob sees some incredible views.   Good post! cooldude
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2024, 06:44:49 AM »

Very cool stuff Jim.  I have a Dob 8", and a vespera smart scope. I live in Bortel 1 area and the images I have gotten from the Vespera are pretty impressive.  I'm an old school guy too, but man, the size and ease of use of the smart scopes sure make it easy to image deep space.  I bet your 24" dob sees some incredible views.   Good post! cooldude

Thanks and yes, it does provide some incredible views.  But, almost as much as looking at Deep Sky Objects, I enjoy sharing views through the scope at Star Parties.  And letting them (newbebies) move the scope around and showing them how the "finding system works".  Is cool.

I use some optical encoders and a little computer system (forget the name) to find objects fairly easily.   All you have to do is to point it north and then find two starts whose names you know and are in the data base.  It just a small device. mounts on the telescope base.  Battery powered.
 
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2024, 01:36:53 PM »

Wow.... just..... wow.....

Very impressive!

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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2024, 12:48:33 PM »

Very cool hobby.   But, I've discovered that Space is way over my head..................

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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2024, 04:12:25 PM »

Again, thanks for all positive responses.   cooldude
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2024, 06:04:51 AM »

Again, thanks for all positive responses.   cooldude
So Jim, I know the variables are large, but if a guy wanted to gaze into the vast unknown from his back yard deck, what suggestions would you offer?
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2024, 06:04:27 PM »

Again, you said there are many variables. 

But, since you asked and you are a member of this forum and therefore someone who likes success in their personal endeavors, I would suggest that you build a 10" to 12.5"  Newtonian telescope, maybe f/5.5 or f/6.0.

Total cost might be in the range of $800 to $1,000 to make the telescope (not counting eyepieces). 

You can grind the primary mirror yourself. I can provide references. 

Here is the cool thing about building your own telescope.  It's something you did.  You did it.  Everything you see in the scope is because you followed the physics and did the work and every object you see or you show to others is something that you caused to happen.

The telescope would be on a Dobsonian Mount.  Easy to make just need some plywood and teflon and a specific type of vinyl flooring material that allows the teflon to easily move over the surface smooth as silk.

Now the objects.   You will need a finder on the telescope tube (and yes you can build an electronic one with digital encoders but.....   The option I am about to provide is just plain simple and also fun.

First of all you need a Telerad Finder.

https://www.highpointscientific.com/brands/telrad?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=380212636&utm_content=1241348818236351&utm_term=highpointscientific&msclkid=4c214f58ee6b183dffc6281282ab167a

Once it I mounted to the scope you will need the following

A Telerad star chart (the link below shows what the "finder" pages will look like.

http://custerobservatory.org/docs/messier2.pdf

https://cloudbreakoptics.com/products/the-messier-objects-telrad-finder-charts

And Star Chart

https://www.amazon.com/Night-30°-40°-Large-North-Latitude/dp/0961320753/ref=sr_1_5?adgrpid=1338106214969239&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.uE76WW805rQ9t8gwat7IaoHxAyJURTl_PpK158UfWcK77sFkiHtzlafroVBMqboWMCczv8TUENiYUanTYqkhiRJSK27bdMydXRHltXkMesgZNX34hKD9l3qN7jfDNr83IiCXbWDdz53o6pEtFwNJV-qqrFemu0m7WslBpbpY0fWBwdgFJ7y1nte97l5hxLLkoY2VW3Q_o6bHEOXMjZwPZrCdfdB_JykAjwBmT7qRegbi7g2ON9acdS1vV6_HI6i61_nEwMQ_xBiF5eMUZnvhoqnOZ7Yh63CfGUOSig_Exs8.JMyiT8ZQmsl3diKmSsIiYEkEC2L8yhhnyFbKbUlYxeM&dib_tag=se&hvadid=83631877596467&hvbmt=bp&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=79917&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=p&hvtargid=kwd-83631981593593%3Aloc-190&hydadcr=3201_13535330&keywords=star+charts+astronomy&msclkid=8ec1931dbbc41fe01186f457d54d3dcd&qid=1732931216&sr=8-5

And yes you can make your own telescope mirror.  In fact you can coat the glass for the mirror with a "silver" material (like my friend did in High School 1962-63) if you like but sending it off for an "Aluminum" coating is safer.

This is a basic and fairly simple process but think of this.  You build the scope and set it up in your back yard or (if not dark enough) a friends field.  And you can find galaxies and star clusters with just a simple "point and look" process.  You can share the views with friends and family and school and Boy Scouts.   

I know long response but, I hope it helps. 

Oh and making your own mirror, while not "simple" is a very straight forward process.  If you grind two pieces of glass together (using an abrasive) you can only get two surfaces. One is flat and the other is spherical.   

And you can measure the depth of the mirror's sphere with a device that costs about $50 to build.  A man named Foucault invented it in 1857.

https://stellafane.org/tm/atm/test/understanding.html


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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2024, 06:20:11 PM »

Oh, I forgot to mention why the Telerad is so cool a device.

You mount it on the scope tube, turn it on and use it as a "sight" but you are looking at the "sight" and the entire sky in your field of view.  The Telerad has three red concentric circles that are reflected on a piece of plastic (I think) that you see through.  It's like looking at the sky with these circles superimposed on the sky.

Then you just line up the circles with stars as show on the chart and there you will have the galaxy or cluster in your telescope's field of view. 

No electonrics required (yes the Telerad uses LEDs  Wink )
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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2024, 07:17:16 AM »

Thanks for the info. cooldude

Looks like a great winter project.

Be ready for questions Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2024, 07:22:41 AM »

One more thing, Mirror Size.

In the case of mirrors, the surface area of the mirror is the determination for the amount of light being collected (i.e. different in single object brightness between mirrors of different diameters).

So, the main thing of interest is Pi * R^2 (Radius Squared) which is the surface area of a round flat surface.

So, if you have a 8" diameter mirror compared to a 10" diameter mirror, the Pi is left behind and you just need to compare R ^ 2  .

8" mirror - 4" radius squared is 16
10" mirror - 5" radius squared is 25
12" mirror - 6" radius squared id 36

So, a 10" mirror has 25/16 times as much surface area (light collection) as an  8" mirror.  (93%)

A 12" mirror has 36/16 times as much surface area as an 8" mirror.  (228%)

(I think I have the math right)..


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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2024, 07:24:15 AM »

Thanks for the info. cooldude

Looks like a great winter project.

Be ready for questions Smiley

I will do my best. 

Oh, I forgot the need for a 55 Gallon Drum if you are going to grind your own mirror.  Makes a perfect platform for the job.
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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2024, 06:39:41 PM »

That's awesome. I've always been interested, just never got around to it.

We went up to the Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff last year and they have a similar set up but the whole building sides to one side




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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2024, 05:24:12 AM »

Wow, that's cool.

That takes some precision concrete pouring.
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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2024, 02:45:05 PM »

Bill if you decide to build one, I got a 55 gal drum for ya.

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« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2024, 05:09:09 AM »

Thanks Craig, I'll keep that in mind  cooldude
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