Pinching fingers on front brakes

[Quince]

When using gloves, I pinch my fingers on front brakes. I bled them twice and is no air. Didn't see an adjustment like I have on another bike. Are there any adjustment options? Also, it's a 2000 and I am quite sure has original brake lines. Could be that lines are getting spongy. What brand of brake lines do you recommend and type. Are SS braided available? Thank you.

[h13man]

I took my bike out in early Febuary for a 40 mi. shakedown and the front brakes felt spongy.

Replaced all the fronts with Galfer lines. I haven't done the rear yet due but have it just in case. I will know after the next ride though feel really good on the jack so to speak. A lot 28 yr. old rubber deteriorating on these bikes. Fork seals, shock bushings, manifold o'rings, rear wheel dampers, shifter seal, wheel outer seals/bearings,.... This is a list so far on my ride. The all important 3 o'rings on the rear hub when changing the rear tire. These folk have very good replacement parts compared to OEM:

https://redeye.ecrater.com/category.php

[mello dude]

I did a full caliper rebuild and SS lines, the brakes are super solid.

https://www.coremoto.com/category_s/4085.htm

[Quince]

I cannot find any front brake lines that look like mine. I have a piece of steel tubing under steering with hoses being crimped on. Looks like original systems are not available anymore. How and with what did you replace your brake lines? Mine definitely need replacement; I can see them bulging/stretching under pressure.

[mello dude]

I cannot find any front brake lines that look like mine. I have a piece of steel tubing under steering with hoses being crimped on. Looks like original systems are not available anymore. How and with what did you replace your brake lines? Mine definitely need replacement; I can see them bulging/stretching under pressure.

Thats the OEM setup.... You dont necessarily have to copy that setup.
For me, Speigler Brakes are 15 minutes from where I live and mostly I just pay a visit when I need something.  
--- They are pricey, but I do like working face to face.

I did want to use the Valks mount under the triple to hold down the lines, so I came up with
using 2 Tee's that Speigler had and made a center pipe....




Really you dont have to do this, but I'm nutz.... It comes down too... what are you after?
Something just functional or something functional but blingy?

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Just now found this kit....
Reuses OEM center pipe...

https://www.venhillusa.com/hon-15002f.html

[HayHauler]

Awesome find Mello Dude!!!  Thanks for the link.  I will save it for my upgrades.

Hay  
Jimmyt

[Quince]

I cannot find any front brake lines that look like mine. I have a piece of steel tubing under steering with hoses being crimped on. Looks like original systems are not available anymore. How and with what did you replace your brake lines? Mine definitely need replacement; I can see them bulging/stretching under pressure.

Thats the OEM setup.... You dont necessarily have to copy that setup.
For me, Speigler Brakes are 15 minutes from where I live and mostly I just pay a visit when I need something.  --- They are pricey, but I do like working face to face.

So you used a "T" and a 90 deg, measured each hose and the steel tubing or bolts center to center and had the company crimp hoses to all the fittings? Looks beautiful. For the cross steel tubing you kept the original size or went one size up?

I did want to use the Valks mount under the triple to hold down the lines, so I came up with
using 2 Tee's that Speilger had and made a center pipe....




Really you dont have to do this, but I'm nutz.... It come down too... what are you after?
Something just functional or something functional but blingy?


Just now found this kit....
Reuses OEM center pipe...

https://www.venhillusa.com/hon-15002f.html

[Quince]

So you used a "T" and a 90 deg, measured each hose length, the tubing/pipe and/or center to center between bolts and asked the company to crimp hoses to fittings? Did you keep same size tubing or went one size up? Looks beautiful.

[mello dude]

So you used a "T" and a 90 deg, measured each hose length, the tubing/pipe and/or center to center between bolts and asked the company to crimp hoses to fittings? Did you keep same size tubing or went one size up? Looks beautiful.

Yeah, a "T" and 90 deg.... Spiegler has these parts in their inventory, crazy, they were just what I needed.
Anyhoo, here's the whole deal....
Out of a piece of scrap aluminum, I drilled holes in it to match the mounting distance on the lower triple.
I used this to avoid having to go back and forth on the bike.
So, with keeping in mind the stock hose brackets, bolted to my aluminum mount thing, I could then figure out how long the middle tube should be with the Spiegler parts.. (diameter is same as stock)
The fitting also required an "onion" to get a seal.



So, bolted together looks like...


Then bolted up to the triple as my first pic...


Quince... you mentioned something about a crimp... none used. The fittings are threaded and go together like any other joint... Spiegler made all the hoses with the right fittings.
Example...


May as well show a pic of the caliper end...

[Quince]

Thank you; really nice. I assume the bend in the original system was either for thermal expansion or to allow larger tolerance for tubing length-C/C hole distance in the manufacturing process. Yours looks better. Thank you again.

[h13man]

I just replaced all lines with Galfer set. I was able to adapt all the OEM mounts as the Galfer are smaller in diameter. I used a piece of clear tubing split to fit in the mounts @ the caliper to fulfill the difference. Didn't replace the rear as it still feels good compared to the fronts that a got "squishy" feeling earlier this spring shakedown ride. Nice thing with Galfer setup, it allows one to bleed at every junction  thus pretty quick in doing the bleed.

[Quince]

Is this Galfer kit 3 or 2 hoses with a "T" in the middle? Are you using the cross pipe above the fender? where did you buy the kit, or are there individual items to order?

I found at Spiegler a two hose "Alternative" both hoses connecting to the master cylinder and they provide the double banjo and crush washers. Did anybody use this arrangement and can share details on how to rout the two hoses?

The link to VenhillUsa claiming to offer 3 hoses and you have to re-use the OEM pipe is using fittings that have the mounting holes rotated 90 deg so hoses from the pipe will both leave pointing back to the radiator and they have reinforcement sleeves so they do not bend down right away.

Partzilla has individual parts but left hose is not available anymore being discontinued by Honda.

[mello dude]

Quince as mention previously, it still comes down to what do you want?

On bikes where I am figuring out the line route, I like to get 10 ft of 3/8th dia plastic hose from the hardware store and use that to cut piece to find the best route... for me....
Then use that to come up with the lengths of SS hose and what fittings that I want...

There are several ways to do this and no one way is wrong, you can over analyze till the cows come home. --- Yeah I know, I'm guilty too...

[h13man]

The front has 4 lines including the "manifold line" so to speak that mounts to the lower fork brace. I was able to bleed at every juncture. If my 2wk. old memory is right   I used a longer bolt and a nylock nut fastening the stock hardware to the new blocks. Didn't reroute the line like stock either from the MC to the 1st. junction. Personal choice because of overall OEM fit which one should observe when replacing. Might use the rubber from the kit to fasten with zip tie else where.