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« on: August 28, 2025, 01:28:29 PM » |
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I am getting ready to change the oil in my 2003 Valkyrie and I was looking in my "stuff" to see if I had the necessary items. I did not have the oil, so I purchased some. I found an oil filter but it looks sort of old. The box is ok but a little dusty. Is there an age limit associated with oil filters. This one is a FRAM PH6017A but it is in an Orange box. New ones come in a black box. I know, its not that big a deal to purchase the new one, but was just wondering.  |
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Chrisj CMA
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2025, 01:35:14 PM » |
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I don’t want to start a war. But I wouldn’t let my worst enemy put A FRAM oil filter in a Valkyrie. They are the worst there is. It’s your bike
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carolinarider09
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2025, 02:19:06 PM » |
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I don’t want to start a war. But I wouldn’t let my worst enemy put A FRAM oil filter in a Valkyrie. They are the worst there is. It’s your bike
Ok..... what filter to you "recommend"? |
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98valk
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2025, 02:39:07 PM » |
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I don’t want to start a war. But I wouldn’t let my worst enemy put A FRAM oil filter in a Valkyrie. They are the worst there is. It’s your bike
that was debunked a decade ago. the ones that people caused to fail where used on very high HP race engines with high pressure oil pumps. |
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Chrisj CMA
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2025, 03:10:46 PM » |
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I don’t want to start a war. But I wouldn’t let my worst enemy put A FRAM oil filter in a Valkyrie. They are the worst there is. It’s your bike
Ok..... what filter to you "recommend"? A few years ago a member here did a cut open evaluation. The FRAM was the most cheesy inside. The $3 SuperTech from Walmart was found to be indistinguishable from the Honda labeled OEM filter costing roughly $10 more. So I use the SuperTech |
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2025, 04:12:54 PM » |
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no dog in the fight but I have a bunch of the pure one I think they are the 1610's
They hold a bit more oil so I just empty the gallon of the rotella t6 in the bike and call it a year
14610 sounds right. Purolator. Thanks 98 valk
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2025, 04:13:21 PM » |
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That Extra Guard one is OK but not the one in front. The best is a Purolator PBL14610. If you want the stock length, then it’s a PBL14612. The 610 is about 3/4” longer therefore has more filter media in square inches.
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98valk
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2025, 04:51:03 PM » |
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That Extra Guard one is OK but not the one in front. The best is a Purolator PBL14610. If you want the stock length, then it’s a PBL14612. The 610 is about 3/4” longer therefore has more filter media in square inches.
bobistheoilguy.com many were cutting open oil filters, that longer one was just a longer can, filter media was not longer. I use an oversized PureOne PL14459. larger dia, same length as OEM. this is the largest filter that will fit. Extra oil is needed to have correct level on dipstick. |
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Serk
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2025, 05:08:38 PM » |
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I'm definitely no expert on the topic, but I bought a large lot of OEM oil filters 10 or so years ago and have been using them with no qualms ever since...
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carolinarider09
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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2025, 05:20:09 PM » |
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A few years ago a member here did a cut open evaluation. The FRAM was the most cheesy inside. The $3 SuperTech from Walmart was found to be indistinguishable from the Honda labeled OEM filter costing roughly $10 more. So I use the SuperTech
Part number for the SuperTech? |
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2025, 05:50:51 PM » |
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Part number for the SuperTech?
SuperTech is Walmart's house brand. I don't know who makes it but I don't believe Walmart has a filter factory. From Kozloski's site: ST6607 52 sq in of media. same size as OEM ST7317 62 sq in media same dia 1/2 longer then OEM I use them. I prefer the longer one. |
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98valk
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2025, 06:05:58 PM » |
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Part number for the SuperTech?
SuperTech is Walmart's house brand. I don't know who makes it but I don't believe Walmart has a filter factory. From Kozloski's site: ST6607 52 sq in of media. same size as OEM ST7317 62 sq in media same dia 1/2 longer then OEM I use them. I prefer the longer one. I provided that to him, the info was from the bobistheoilguy.com. it was reported that https://www.champlabs.com/brands/ was making the supertech filters. |
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2025, 07:27:16 PM » |
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https://www.hiflofiltro.com/uploads/media/Hiflofiltro_Application_Guide_2024.pdfHF303 made by hi-flo for me are exactly same as K&N 303 except no nut on the end, very good quality can get them for like 9 bucks each at some ATV and cycle shops nearby. My 2nd choice have used is also Purolator longer one mentioned also a good choice. I use as most do Rotella T6 5w-40 oil on all my ATV, UTV, and cycles buy by bulk when on sale yearly 2.5 gallon purple jugs at farm and fleet store. Have never used the walmart supertech ones on my cycle but have on the vehicles and IMO are VERY good quality for the cheapest price paid on any oil filter around cannot be beat price wise and for the vehicles that every 5K miles or 5 months get new filters why blow 10 bucks on a high end one? As far as FRAM, take your chances, I would NEVER put on any vehicle or cycle a FRAM oil filter, poor overall quality not worth the risk, but that is only my .02 cents, toss them away.
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2025, 06:05:36 AM » |
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Over the years I've learned lots of interesting stuff about filters. Some of this could be out of date as the industry is constantly changing. - After reading great reviews I used Purolator Pure One filters for years. But 10+ years ago they had some serious quality issues. Tears would develop in the media near the baseplate, especially in the 14610 size. Sites like BobIsTheOilGuy still have plenty of posts and pictures. I probably used some defective filters without knowing.
- Purolator, as well as Wix, are now owned by the German company Mann+Hummel. The motor oil business has seen similar consolidation. Shell now owns Pennzoil and Quaker State. Saudi Aramco owns Valvoline (and Zerex) and may buy Castrol.
- Walmart Super Tech filters have had several sources. Years ago Champion made them. Champion also made Mobil and Bosch filters. For a brief period Wix made Super Tech filters, and for another period they dropped the line completely and sold the basic Purolator 'Classic' filters. These days I've read that Champion is making them again.
- After giving up on Pure One filters I used Bosch for a while. When the local store dropped those I tried Super Tech. Being wary of a $3 filter I had the used oil analyzed and found that a Super Tech works as good as a Bosch filter. That was no surprise since the same company apparently makes both.
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2025, 09:14:15 AM » |
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Super tech ! ST6607 all the way ...  TheBeast is over 200k . Been using ST since 2005 I was using Honda before that ,as they changed my oil free for 4yrs ,SO why do it myself.. I would bring the ScooterDog cart I worked while they changed my oil.. Win win |
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carolinarider09
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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2025, 03:44:00 PM » |
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Oil changed and filter changed. Now for a test ride in the coming days.
Also did the 2007 ST 1300 and will do the 2015 Goldwing tomorrow.
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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2025, 05:24:18 PM » |
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Did you check the drool plug and drain her ?
That is when I drain the Drool on the Beast when ever I do an oil change..
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Robert
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« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2025, 04:55:43 AM » |
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Over the years I've learned lots of interesting stuff about filters. Some of this could be out of date as the industry is constantly changing. - After reading great reviews I used Purolator Pure One filters for years. But 10+ years ago they had some serious quality issues. Tears would develop in the media near the baseplate, especially in the 14610 size. Sites like BobIsTheOilGuy still have plenty of posts and pictures. I probably used some defective filters without knowing.
- Purolator, as well as Wix, are now owned by the German company Mann+Hummel. The motor oil business has seen similar consolidation. Shell now owns Pennzoil and Quaker State. Saudi Aramco owns Valvoline (and Zerex) and may buy Castrol.
- Walmart Super Tech filters have had several sources. Years ago Champion made them. Champion also made Mobil and Bosch filters. For a brief period Wix made Super Tech filters, and for another period they dropped the line completely and sold the basic Purolator 'Classic' filters. These days I've read that Champion is making them again.
- After giving up on Pure One filters I used Bosch for a while. When the local store dropped those I tried Super Tech. Being wary of a $3 filter I had the used oil analyzed and found that a Super Tech works as good as a Bosch filter. That was no surprise since the same company apparently makes both.
 Things do change, I use the Pure One new style since its from Mann+Hummel who have changed the filter media to synthetic media. The old Pure One had a bit of deceptive advertising saying it would take 99% of the contaminates out. But the truth was it was only recommended for 3500 miles and they never told you that. I don't remember when but most oil filter companies changed to synthetic media shortly after the longer life oil came out. The reason was the media could not remain unclogged with extended drain intervals in some cases. Since I mainly own imported vehicles and they usually don't have canister type filters I remember seeing the change from the paper filters to the synthetic media. It was interesting the differences in filter material. After learning of the change in media and the false or misleading advertising and seeing what a clogged oil filter does I have thrown out all my old filters and bought new. Kept a few around for nostalgia but will not use them. I also need to say that I used many of the old filters for 8k miles not knowing the hidden mileage claims, but in the idea of wanting the best and avoiding any possible problems I decided not to use my old filters. These are the old style before the change in company ownership   This is more what the newer synthetic media looks like. Its not quite as fuzzy as the paper filters and more rigid.  |
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2025, 06:55:40 AM » |
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I used Supertech until Walmart decided to remove them for awhile but they WERE made by Champion which used to make 80% of the filters. Used Bosch #3323 until the past 2 yrs. as they have become a harder find. I went with Mobil1 M110 @ about same cost just more readily available.
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2025, 10:32:28 AM » |
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Carolina Rider,
Came across the posting late but just tossing in my 2 cents ...
Been using the K&N (chrome) with the nut on top for years and Castrol full synthetic oil for years, old gal has 230,000 + miles so something must be working right.
And they are both available at Advance Auto Parts ( get mine at the Chapin store).
Happy riding !
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