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98valk
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« on: September 07, 2025, 02:43:06 PM »

flow more than the OEM fuel valve?  thanks
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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2025, 03:02:15 PM »

flow more than the OEM fuel valve?  thanks

A petcock only flows what is demanded of it by the carburetor(s). The Pingle is Capable of delivering a higher volume of fuel than the OEM. The factory petcock can deliver everything your Valkyrie can demand when working properly. However, any degradation of function and the factory unit can starve your engine of fuel in a high demand situation.
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2025, 03:13:18 PM »

flow more than the OEM fuel valve?  thanks

A petcock only flows what is demanded of it by the carburetor(s). The Pingle is Capable of delivering a higher volume of fuel than the OEM. The factory petcock can deliver everything your Valkyrie can demand when working properly. However, any degradation of function and the factory unit can starve your engine of fuel in a high demand situation.

that's what I should've asked, volume.   I'm running ported heads, modified air box and Viking exhaust.

so is the pingel only bottom lever? and is there any other companies with a side lever like oem?
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2025, 03:53:40 PM »

flow more than the OEM fuel valve?  thanks

A petcock only flows what is demanded of it by the carburetor(s). The Pingle is Capable of delivering a higher volume of fuel than the OEM. The factory petcock can deliver everything your Valkyrie can demand when working properly. However, any degradation of function and the factory unit can starve your engine of fuel in a high demand situation.

that's what I should've asked, volume.   I'm running ported heads, modified air box and Viking exhaust.

so is the pingel only bottom lever? and is there any other companies with a side lever like oem?


I’m not sure that your modifications will cause a fuel demand that a OE petcock operating at 100% couldn’t support but I guarantee you anything less than 100% and you would expect trouble. I’ve had a Pingel for many years and the lever is not a problem for me. I recommend
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2025, 06:44:25 PM »

flow more than the OEM fuel valve?  thanks

A petcock only flows what is demanded of it by the carburetor(s). The Pingle is Capable of delivering a higher volume of fuel than the OEM. The factory petcock can deliver everything your Valkyrie can demand when working properly. However, any degradation of function and the factory unit can starve your engine of fuel in a high demand situation.

that's what I should've asked, volume.   I'm running ported heads, modified air box and Viking exhaust.

so is the pingel only bottom lever? and is there any other companies with a side lever like oem?


I’m not sure that your modifications will cause a fuel demand that a OE petcock operating at 100% couldn’t support but I guarantee you anything less than 100% and you would expect trouble. I’ve had a Pingel for many years and the lever is not a problem for me. I recommend

I found the Pingel inlet and outlet I.D dimensions and basically they are the same as the OEM unit. so there wouldn't be any flow gain with the Pingel.
  Thanks Chris
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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2025, 06:49:31 PM »

flow more than the OEM fuel valve?  thanks

A petcock only flows what is demanded of it by the carburetor(s). The Pingle is Capable of delivering a higher volume of fuel than the OEM. The factory petcock can deliver everything your Valkyrie can demand when working properly. However, any degradation of function and the factory unit can starve your engine of fuel in a high demand situation.

that's what I should've asked, volume.   I'm running ported heads, modified air box and Viking exhaust.

so is the pingel only bottom lever? and is there any other companies with a side lever like oem?


I’m not sure that your modifications will cause a fuel demand that a OE petcock operating at 100% couldn’t support but I guarantee you anything less than 100% and you would expect trouble. I’ve had a Pingel for many years and the lever is not a problem for me. I recommend

I found the Pingel inlet and outlet I.D dimensions and basically they are the same as the OEM unit. so there wouldn't be any flow gain with the Pingel.
  Thanks Chris

I’m not a scientist but the internals of the OE valve may have something to do with max output. The Pingle is marketed as an increased output capability (racing equipment) and I believe it
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2025, 07:09:46 AM »

Always shut off the petcock regardless of the petcock. Mine has had a Pingel since forever I assume as the OEM petcock woe's must have been around at least before my 2013 purchase date. Still running OEM fuel parts.
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2025, 09:45:21 AM »

flow more than the OEM fuel valve?  thanks

A petcock only flows what is demanded of it by the carburetor(s). The Pingle is Capable of delivering a higher volume of fuel than the OEM. The factory petcock can deliver everything your Valkyrie can demand when working properly. However, any degradation of function and the factory unit can starve your engine of fuel in a high demand situation.

that's what I should've asked, volume.   I'm running ported heads, modified air box and Viking exhaust.

so is the pingel only bottom lever? and is there any other companies with a side lever like oem?


When Attic Rat does his GLH mod, he increases compression, fly cuts the pistons, ports, polishes, and modifies the Airbox among other things. I do not know what jets he uses. He is increasing HP and uses an OEM petcock. My trike has stock exhaust. A more open exhaust may require rejetting larger to tune.

I changed my bikes to Pingels to eliminate the vacuum line to #6. One failure mode of the OEM petcock can allow fuel to run down the vacuum line into the #6 cyl, causing hydrolock.
I don't have any trouble with the Pingel. However if I had it to do over, I would use a CBR600 petcock which will connect to the fuel selector knob, but is manual, so no vacuum line.

When I build carbs for people with Cobra exhaust and no baffles, I rejet with 38/108 with no fuel flow issues on an OEM petcock.
The Pingel is advertised as a high flow petcock, but from what I said about the Attic Rat mod, I suspect the OEM petcock can deliver enough fuel.
Of course this is all my opinion,based on my experience. We all know what an opinion is worth.
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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2025, 01:40:07 PM »

Several years ago Car and Driver had a short article about top fuel dragsters. In included stats about the fuel flow. As I remember those engines burned 7 gallons of fuel in the 5 seconds or so it took to get down the track. That required a 1-1/2" fuel line running at 140 PSI. That's pretty incredible.
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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2025, 05:00:12 PM »

Several years ago Car and Driver had a short article about top fuel dragsters. In included stats about the fuel flow. As I remember those engines burned 7 gallons of fuel in the 5 seconds or so it took to get down the track. That required a 1-1/2" fuel line running at 140 PSI. That's pretty incredible.


What's also incredible is the fact that at 9500 RPM a top fuel dragster engine will only turn 650 to 750 revolutions from green light to finish line.
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98valk
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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2025, 05:25:15 PM »

so I modified the OEM petcock so vacuum is not needed as done here
 http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,37577.0.html

and I did some drilling to increase the outlet fuel flow which wouldn't work for an OEM with the vacuum function.
side note the OEM petcock is good solid aluminum and not like the soft aluminum/metal the thermostat housing is made of.

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98valk
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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2025, 09:12:30 AM »

flow more than the OEM fuel valve?  thanks


A petcock only flows what is demanded of it by the carburetor(s). The Pingle is Capable of delivering a higher volume of fuel than the OEM. The factory petcock can deliver everything your Valkyrie can demand when working properly. However, any degradation of function and the factory unit can starve your engine of fuel in a high demand situation.


that's what I should've asked, volume.   I'm running ported heads, modified air box and Viking exhaust.

so is the pingel only bottom lever? and is there any other companies with a side lever like oem?



When Attic Rat does his GLH mod, he increases compression, fly cuts the pistons, ports, polishes, and modifies the Airbox among other things. I do not know what jets he uses. He is increasing HP and uses an OEM petcock. My trike has stock exhaust. A more open exhaust may require rejetting larger to tune.

I changed my bikes to Pingels to eliminate the vacuum line to #6. One failure mode of the OEM petcock can allow fuel to run down the vacuum line into the #6 cyl, causing hydrolock.
I don't have any trouble with the Pingel. However if I had it to do over, I would use a CBR600 petcock which will connect to the fuel selector knob, but is manual, so no vacuum line.

When I build carbs for people with Cobra exhaust and no baffles, I rejet with 38/108 with no fuel flow issues on an OEM petcock.
The Pingel is advertised as a high flow petcock, but from what I said about the Attic Rat mod, I suspect the OEM petcock can deliver enough fuel.
Of course this is all my opinion,based on my experience. We all know what an opinion is worth.



too rich on the Pilot Jet. I run 38s with high velocity heads and exhaust, and the intake tubes into the carbs are straight and not curved. 
better to run oem 35s and open up the mixture screws more.   Marc from factorypro talks about it here
http://www.factorypro.com/tech/tech_tuning_procedures/tuning_pilot%20jet,%20affect%20of%20size%20on%20idle%20and%20cruise.html
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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2025, 10:50:16 PM »

flow more than the OEM fuel valve?  thanks


A petcock only flows what is demanded of it by the carburetor(s). The Pingle is Capable of delivering a higher volume of fuel than the OEM. The factory petcock can deliver everything your Valkyrie can demand when working properly. However, any degradation of function and the factory unit can starve your engine of fuel in a high demand situation.


that's what I should've asked, volume.   I'm running ported heads, modified air box and Viking exhaust.

so is the pingel only bottom lever? and is there any other companies with a side lever like oem?



When Attic Rat does his GLH mod, he increases compression, fly cuts the pistons, ports, polishes, and modifies the Airbox among other things. I do not know what jets he uses. He is increasing HP and uses an OEM petcock. My trike has stock exhaust. A more open exhaust may require rejetting larger to tune.

I changed my bikes to Pingels to eliminate the vacuum line to #6. One failure mode of the OEM petcock can allow fuel to run down the vacuum line into the #6 cyl, causing hydrolock.
I don't have any trouble with the Pingel. However if I had it to do over, I would use a CBR600 petcock which will connect to the fuel selector knob, but is manual, so no vacuum line.

When I build carbs for people with Cobra exhaust and no baffles, I rejet with 38/108 with no fuel flow issues on an OEM petcock.
The Pingel is advertised as a high flow petcock, but from what I said about the Attic Rat mod, I suspect the OEM petcock can deliver enough fuel.
Of course this is all my opinion,based on my experience. We all know what an opinion is worth.



too rich on the Pilot Jet. I run 38s with high velocity heads and exhaust, and the intake tubes into the carbs are straight and not curved. 
better to run oem 35s and open up the mixture screws more.   Marc from factorypro talks about it here
http://www.factorypro.com/tech/tech_tuning_procedures/tuning_pilot%20jet,%20affect%20of%20size%20on%20idle%20and%20cruise.html


If I wanted your frigging advice, I would have asked for it. Im pretty tired of your unsolicited opinions.  Don't  bother to ever respond to me again.
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