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Red Diamond
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« on: March 01, 2010, 08:43:29 PM »

Archives not working for me. Has anyone done the signal light modification to add extra lighting on the rear of their standard or tourer?  Sure would like more than that on tail light for visibility from the rear. What brand is best or most used, is it worth the effort or just wire in additional lights from the existing harness? Thanks
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2010, 01:55:18 AM »

I used dual filament turnsignals from a newer Std, got the running light power from the plate light. Also got clear lenses and made them red with help from a guy on the board. Now I have three tail lights and added an LED to the back of the sissybar for extra brake light visabilty.
Look at "kisantech.com". Their "signal minder" has dual function run/turn and the ability to have a pulse flash on the brake-all with stock lights and 4way flash too. Wish I had gone with it.
Kuryakyn has a run/brake controller also.
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2010, 04:29:44 AM »

I used dual filament turnsignals from a newer Std, got the running light power from the plate light. Also got clear lenses and made them red with help from a guy on the board. Now I have three tail lights and added an LED to the back of the sissybar for extra brake light visabilty.
Look at "kisantech.com". Their "signal minder" has dual function run/turn and the ability to have a pulse flash on the brake-all with stock lights and 4way flash too. Wish I had gone with it.
Kuryakyn has a run/brake controller also.


Convert your signals to dual filament as suggested above, then use a trailer wiring converter to make them run/brake/turn lights.  http://www.hopkinstowingsolutions.com/products/basic_wiring/taillight_converters/standard_converters/tail_light_converter_12.html


I've done it on two bikes so far.   You'll need to replace the standard flasher with a heavy duty type from an auto parts store.

Total cost non including your dual-filament conversion is $30 or less.
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2010, 04:32:17 AM »

Kuryakyn has a non-specific Run-Turn-Brake circuit unit converter that works very well. I'm not sure if they still have the red lenses any longer for the Valk though, but apparently the inside of the stock lenses can be painted with model paint.
Dual filament conversion is not required with these units...
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2010, 04:49:22 AM »

Check Electrical Connection.

Electrical Connection Turn Signal Conversion
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2010, 05:06:42 AM »



BigBF documented a how-to on these:

http://bigbf.com/bigbf_shop/rear_turn_signal_kit/

-Mike
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2010, 05:24:04 AM »

I added the kit from Electrical Connection that Willow mentioned to make the rear turn signals into run/brake/signal lights and am happy with that.  It was a relatively simple installation that should take about two hours, provided you don't pinch a wire when you put your signal module back together. 

Am also looking at adding the Knight Riderz LB07 brake flasher to the back of my sissy bar pad to add some additional brake lights. 
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2010, 06:04:57 AM »

I have installed the "back-off" module on my other bikes and intend to on the Valkyrie eventually.  Relatively simple installation and theres instructions here in the "shop" section.

And then paint the inside of the rear lenses red, which the instructions are there too.

I went a step further and added male and female electrical connectors instead of the butt connectors so if I get rid of the bike, or if this module has trouble on the road, all I have to do is unplug the module and plug in the original wires and it's back to factory lighting. (believe it or not this has happened, both senarios)
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2010, 07:03:00 AM »

I'm running the Priority Plus from Sound Off Recreational. Rear turn signals are converted to running lights AND they flash for 1.5 seconds when the brakes are applied.  $60.00 from Competition Accessories or available through stores served by Tucker Rocky.

http://www.soundoffrec.com/products/lights.aspx
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2010, 07:46:40 AM »

Appreciated much. Just the info I needed.
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2010, 07:52:34 AM »

Here's what I used to light up my rear end!

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http://www.signaldynamics.com/lighting_control.htm                                                                                                         BackOFF- XP

http://www.signaldynamics.com/products/LicensePltFrame/StandardLED/lp.asp                                                                      Chrome one turned upside down
 
http://clearalternatives.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=CA&Category_Code=LED                               LED-39-L
(that's just the LED board for the taillight.  You can also get a clear taillight lens -  CTL-0039-L)

http://clearalternatives.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=CA&Category_Code=CRUISER                        CTS-0021 (for 2000-2003)

http://www.electricalconnection.com/other-lighting/tsk-star&sport.htm                                                                                 Part Number 01315

And here are videos of the lights in action:
Valkyrie modified brake lightsTry our new playerpowered by Aeva


Valkyrie modified brake lightsTry our new playerpowered by Aeva

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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2010, 08:06:01 AM »

I installed ultra-bright red LED's with clear lenses in place of the OEM turn/brake. They are dual brilliance and these suckers are BRIGHT. Even in just the run mode I've had riders ask me if my brake is stuck on, then I ask them to watch the back while I hit the brakes. Did the same with the tail light, used a red ultra-bright LED replacement with a clear lens...same effect. While I was at it, I picked up a couple small relays from Custome Dynamics and also instlled LED's on the saddlebags in place of the red reflectors. Now with the relays, when I hit a turn signal the rear turns and the sddlebag lights alternate flashing. Every light on the bike is LED except for the driving lights and headlight.
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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2010, 05:45:00 PM »

I used dual filament turnsignals from a newer Std, got the running light power from the plate light. Also got clear lenses and made them red with help from a guy on the board. Now I have three tail lights and added an LED to the back of the sissybar for extra brake light visabilty.
Look at "kisantech.com". Their "signal minder" has dual function run/turn and the ability to have a pulse flash on the brake-all with stock lights and 4way flash too. Wish I had gone with it.
Kuryakyn has a run/brake controller also.


Convert your signals to dual filament as suggested above, then use a trailer wiring converter to make them run/brake/turn lights.  http://www.hopkinstowingsolutions.com/products/basic_wiring/taillight_converters/standard_converters/tail_light_converter_12.html


I've done it on two bikes so far.   You'll need to replace the standard flasher with a heavy duty type from an auto parts store.

Total cost non including your dual-filament conversion is $30 or less.


ValkPilot,

I've gotten just about everything I need for the mod except for the heavy duty flasher.  I went to one parts store and they didnt know anything about it, and also went to honda dealer and same thing.  They said the standard one should work. 

Does it matter what kind of flasher? 
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2010, 05:58:13 PM »

Yes, a standard one is set for the current going thru it, and flashes at a certain rate.  If a bulb goes out, it stops flashing.  If you add bulbs, it will flash very fast.

A HD flasher has its own heater in it, and will blink at the same rate, no matter how many, or how few, bulbs.  You need one too when you add a trailer to a vehicle, although if the trailer is all LED, it may not need the HD flasher.

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Ken Tarver
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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2010, 05:17:15 PM »

have used both the Electrical Connection kit and Kuryakyn......for me, the Kury kit is easier to install, also has the option to flash the brake lights 4 times then go steady.

Ken
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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2010, 11:13:37 AM »

Did mine yesterday with the help of Valkpilot and Godfire.  Total cost was $36.

1157 Dual Filament Sockets x2 (Shallowest you can find) - $4 each
1157 Dual Filament Bulbs x2 - $4 pair
Heavy Duty Electronic Flasher x1 EL-12 or FL32 - $9 (same part just different number)
Hopkins Taillight Converter #48845 -$15
All of these can be found at a good auto parts store.  I had to go to a couple because one didn't know what a heavy duty flasher was, and didn't have the proper taillight converter.

You will also need some epoxy, male and female electrical connectors (I used blue size), schematics, and preferably someone who has done it once.  Smiley

Disassemble your license/flasher assembly.  Make note of how things come apart.  They will have to go back the same way later. Smiley

Twist the inside of one of the blinker assemblies and remove the guts.  Pull the wires all the way out.  Somehow you have to shear/break/punch the center socket out of the main enclosure.  The outer enclosure may crack.  This can be glued later.

Take one of the new sockets and solder or use a connector of some sort to connect about a 8-10" ground wire.  Run the 2 socket wires and your new ground wire through the hole you previously created.  Before epoxying, put a bulb in and make sure there is enough room for a lens to cover completely.  If not, adjust accordingly.  I epoxied the backside of the socket/enclosure.  All 3 wires should be coming out at the same place.  Repeat on other blinker.

Once both are done, you should test them.  That way if you messed up its still apart and can fix it, and also you need to know which of the new socket wires is the break light and which is the running light.  We used a battery charger and connected to ground and then to each of the socket wires.  Whichever is brighter is the break light.  Mark that one with a red tape or something.  Repeat on other socket.  Run the wire back through the back plate piece and refasten the blinkers.  You may have to trim the wires back.  There isn't much room for excess wires when reinstalling.  Place a male connector on each of  break light wires.  Take the other wire from BOTH sockets and connect one male on both of those wires. (pig tailing).  We did the same with the new ground wires, but I don't think it was necessary.  Reconnect and assemble the rear license/blinker unit.  You can use a clear or amber lens's with red model paint.  It is illegal in most states to have amber running lights.

This is the hard part.  It might take some trial and error or someone with some smarts.  Remove the right side cover and pull back on the connector rubber sleeve.  These should be your rear light wires.  Confirm by matching the schematic and wire colors.  Trim a few inches of wire off both sides of the converter.  Connect Female connectors on the 4 wire side, and males on the 5 wire side.  Best to also make a pigtail from some old wire now (2 wires with female ends to 1 male end).  The 4 wire side will connect to the wires going to the taillight section.  This should help some.

Honda Wires       Converter

Green                White
Brown                Brown
Orange               Yellow
Blue                   Green


The pigtail you made is to go from the Green/yellow wire of the electrical system to the Red wire of the 5 wire side and the Green yellow of the taillight section.  This is a backup system incase there is a fault with the run/stop turn lights, your main tail light will still function as intended.  Test, troubleshoot, and reassemble when completed.

At this time it should work as intended during testing.  However, if you break AND turn, your blinkers will flash very quickly.  That solved in the next step.

Remove your seat and left side cover.  Down below the bottom of the tank part is a 3 prong flasher circuit similar to the one you bought.  Either replace it completely or install the new one on the left side and run the wires to it from the old location.  You can cut a couple inches off the old connectors and install new ones I'm told.  You will use the Black and Grey wires I think.  I have not completed this step yet myself.

I hope this helps some.  Good luck.
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