Amazing who you might see at Sams Club

[Hellcat]

Here is your Media calling our Military Enemy...My son is out of the USAF academy. Talk about abuse LOL!!!!
[/quote]

This is EXACTLY what we're talking about.

Chris Matthews says "These cadets didn't look very approving of Obama, but he went there despite the obvious political  and strategic disagreement."

THAT IS WHAT HE IS SAYING.

And yet because he uses the common phrase "enemy camp" to indicate a skeptical crowd, all of the sudden the left sees the military as the "enemy".

[Ratdog]

Why don't you go ask the people in Iraq (whom Sadaam gassed) whether he was a threat.  The man was a threat... and trying to enable himself to become a more serious threat (outside of his borders).

I point to my comment above. He didn't use them in the Gulf War. Internal and extenal politics are completely different in terms of threats to the United States.

Ok... then his burning of Kuwait's oil fields wasn't a threat to those outside his borders?  The man was maniacal... the world is a better place now that HIS people put him to death.  Yeah... I believe the world is a better place without his sons using up perfectly good oxygen too.

[Hellcat]

just curious Who many years did take before we found out the effects of Agent orange had on our Veterans from Nam ? so how will we know our Men and Women from the gulf war have not been infected ? can you give me some Solid links that have been snopes that can back your evidence ?[/color][/color]

Agent Orange was our own biological agent, and the military resisted any investigation of its effects on our own troops.

Don't you think it would be in the military's interest to promote an investigation of enemy use of BIO?

From my understanding it is just as likely that Gulf War Syndrome was caused by US troops being injected with the antidote for chemical weapons.

I remember practicing continually with that stuff when I was infantry. We never had the actual stuff, we just pretended with an empty hand to jam it into the side of our leg. The rumor was that the needle was enormous, though. Didn't sound like fun.

[Hellcat]

Ok... then his burning of Kuwait's oil fields wasn't a threat to those outside his borders?

It wasn't a threat to kill anybody. That was just sour grapes while he retreated.

The man was maniacal... the world is a better place now that HIS people put him to death.  Yeah... I believe the world is a better place without his sons using up perfectly good oxygen too.

You and I are in complete agreement here. I agree he was maniacal, and I agree the world is a better place without him.

I do NOT, however, agree that the cost to America was anywhere near worth the price we paid and continue to pay.

We would be in a much better place today if we had just kept the no fly zones intact. Hell, maybe Saddam would have had a heart attack or something and he'd be gone for FREE! No American lives, no billions upon billions of taxpayer money down the tubes.

[Kidd]

We would be in a much better place today if we had just kept the no fly zones intact. Hell, maybe Saddam would have had a heart attack or something and he'd be gone for FREE! No American lives, no billions upon billions of taxpayer money down the tubes.

No doubt !

Bush and his cowboy boots  mentally is why the world hates  America , well , one of the reasons

Kidd

[fstsix]

just curious Who many years did take before we found out the effects of Agent orange had on our Veterans from Nam ? so how will we know our Men and Women from the gulf war have not been infected ? can you give me some Solid links that have been snopes that can back your evidence ?[/color][/color]

Agent Orange was our own biological agent, and the military resisted any investigation of its effects on our own troops.

Don't you think it would be in the military's interest to promote an investigation of enemy use of BIO?

From my understanding it is just as likely that Gulf War Syndrome was caused by US troops being injected with the antidote for chemical weapons.

I remember practicing continually with that stuff when I was infantry. We never had the actual stuff, we just pretended with an empty hand to jam it into the side of our leg. The rumor was that the needle was enormous, though. Didn't sound like fun.

my point with agent orange was BIO and after all these years even if it was ours it is still Bio, just sayin...BTW you are so quick to discount as none medical but syndrome> http://www1.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=1878 WASHINGTON – Today, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric K. Shinseki announced that the Department’s Gulf War Veterans’ Illnesses Task Force has completed the final draft of a comprehensive report that will redefine how the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) addresses the concerns of Veterans who deployed during the Gulf War in 1990 and 1991.

“Our mission at VA is to be advocates for Veterans,” said Secretary Shinseki. “This report’s action plans provide a roadmap to transform the care and services we deliver to Gulf War Veterans. We must learn from the past and take the opportunity to anticipate the future needs of our Veterans.”

Notification of the draft written report will be published tomorrow in the Federal Register, and the draft written report identifies seven areas where VA will improve services for this group of Veterans.

Among these improvements, VA will reconnect with Veterans from the 1990 – 1991 Gulf War, strengthen the training of clinicians and claims processors, and reenergize its research effort. VA will also proactively strengthen partnerships and medical surveillance to address the potential health impacts on Veterans from the environmental exposures on today's battlefields.

Earlier this month, VA published a proposed rule that will enable VA to grant service connection on a presumptive basis for nine specific infectious diseases associated with military service in Southwest Asia after August 2, 1990, or in Afghanistan on or after September 19, 2001. The proposed rule change was based on a recent Institute of Medicine review of the scientific literature, and is a part of VA’s on-going Gulf War studies. This rule, when implemented, will make it easier for Veterans to obtain disability compensation and related healthcare.

The mission of VA’s Gulf War Veterans’ Illnesses Task Force is to identify both gaps in services as well as opportunities to better serve Veterans of the Gulf War. Of the almost 700,000 service members who deployed to Operation Desert Shield in 1990 and Operation Desert Storm in 1991, more than 300,000 have filed disability claims and over 85 percent have been granted service connection for at least one condition.

The Chairman of the Gulf War Veterans’ Illnesses Task Force is John R. Gingrich, Chief of Staff at VA, a retired Army officer who also served during the Gulf War.

“Reaching out to Gulf War Veterans is not only essential to our transformation of VA, for many of us it is also personal,” said Gingrich. “Having commanded troops in the Gulf War, and then knowing that some of these brave men and women have fallen to mysterious illnesses has been both a frustrating and saddening experience. We now have an opportunity to do something about this situation -- with this Task Force, I know that we will improve the care and services these Veterans have earned.”

VA’s Gulf War Veterans’ Illnesses Task Force recommendations build on the excellent work and findings of The Gulf War Veterans Illnesses Advisory Committee, VA Research Advisory Committee on Gulf War Illnesses, the interagency Deployment Health Working Group, and other related sources. Some of the Task Force’s recommendations include:

    * Improve data sharing with Department of Defense to notify Veterans of potential exposures, monitor their long-term health and inform them about decisions regarding additional follow up.   
    * Improve the delivery of benefits to Veterans with Gulf War-related disabilities by:   
    * Reviewing and, if necessary, updating regulations affecting Gulf War Veterans.   
    * Expanding training for VBA examiners on how to administer disability claims with multiple known toxin exposure incidents.   
    * Improve VA healthcare for Veterans through a new model of interdisciplinary health education and training.   
    * Increase number of long-term, Veteran-focused studies of Veterans to enhance the quality of care VA provides.   
    * Transition from reactive to proactive medical surveillance to help better manage Veterans’ potential hazardous exposures.   
    * Find new treatments for Gulf War Veterans through new research.   
    * Enhance outreach to provide information and guidance to Veterans about benefits and services available to them for injuries/illnesses associated with Gulf War service.

As a first step, VA is seeking public comments on the draft written report before final publication. The public notice will be posted at www.Regulations.gov, and the draft written report will be open for comment for thirty (30) days. Comments may also be submitted via mail as described in the public notice. In addition, VA recognizes that a great number of Gulf War Veterans use a computer on a daily basis to socialize their issues and concerns, so VA has also created a public discussion board on the seven recommendations at: http://yourgulfwarvoice.uservoice.com/. To view the report without making recommendations, you may view a copy on VA’s website at http://www1.va.gov/opa/vadocs/gwvi_draft_report.pdf.

[Hellcat]

my point with agent orange was BIO and after all these years even if it was ours it is still Bio, just sayin...BTW you are so quick to discount as none medical but syndrome> http://www1.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=1878
[/quote]

I understand your point that BIO and Chem could take years to be recognized. It has been almost twenty years though, huh? Longer than it took for Agent Orange problems to be admitted, and the military was actively suppressing that.

And I'm not discounting Gulf War Syndrome, just saying that it could once again have been our own stuff, not Saddam's.

[Ratdog]

No doubt !

Bush and his cowboy boots  mentally is why the world hates  America , well , one of the reasons

Kidd

Yeah... here's the pot calling the kettle black !!!  With your moronic remarks of shooting someone for having an opposing opinion?  You've shot yourself in the foot (with regard to having any credibility).  Although a talking head's opinion may differ from what YOU hold near and dear... his "influence potential" on your life is nil.  You can just aim your remote and find the latest "we are the world" song being offered up.  Your president is by FAR a MUCH greater threat to us all.

How would YOU feel if people here started commenting on shooting YOU if you appeared at a gathering... just because you hold a different opinion?  You should consider buying yourself a clue before running your mouth.  You're way out of line and need to grow up a little before trying to impress anyone with your attempts at wit. 

[fudgie]

We would be in a much better place today if we had just kept the no fly zones intact. Hell, maybe Saddam would have had a heart attack or something and he'd be gone for FREE! No American lives, no billions upon billions of taxpayer money down the tubes.

No doubt !

Bush and his cowboy boots  mentally is why the world hates  America , well , one of the reasons

Kidd

I trust a man wearing cowboy boots then some geezer in a suit any day. I sleep just fine at night even tho 'the world hate us'. Dont make me no differance what they think. F-um.

[Kidd]

No doubt !

Bush and his cowboy boots  mentally is why the world hates  America , well , one of the reasons

Kidd

Yeah... here's the pot calling the kettle black !!!  With your moronic remarks of shooting someone for having an opposing opinion?  You've shot yourself in the foot (with regard to having any credibility).  Although a talking head's opinion may differ from what YOU hold near and dear... his "influence potential" on your life is nil.  You can just aim your remote and find the latest "we are the world" song being offered up.  Your president is by FAR a MUCH greater threat to us all.

How would YOU feel if people here started commenting on shooting YOU if you appeared at a gathering... just because you hold a different opinion?  You should consider buying yourself a clue before running your mouth.  You're way out of line and need to grow up a little before trying to impress anyone with your attempts at wit. 

Ratdog   , you are a 'crackbaby "  , you are why drugs should stay illegal.

My problem is not WHAT he is saying , it's the medium he is using   to get his message out , there are a lot of very very stupid people that   believe  what they hear on TV , just because it's ON the TV  , now that is STUPID .
You crackbaby buddy  twist the truth   , using it to scare  stupid people .

Now , do you really wnat to continue the insults , or is this the only way you can communicate .

Just kidding about the "crackbaby" remarks  , crackbaby  

[Ratdog]

Ok... then his burning of Kuwait's oil fields wasn't a threat to those outside his borders?

It wasn't a threat to kill anybody. That was just sour grapes while he retreated.

The man was maniacal... the world is a better place now that HIS people put him to death.  Yeah... I believe the world is a better place without his sons using up perfectly good oxygen too.

You and I are in complete agreement here. I agree he was maniacal, and I agree the world is a better place without him.

I do NOT, however, agree that the cost to America was anywhere near worth the price we paid and continue to pay.

We would be in a much better place today if we had just kept the no fly zones intact. Hell, maybe Saddam would have had a heart attack or something and he'd be gone for FREE! No American lives, no billions upon billions of taxpayer money down the tubes.

Well... I guess we'll agree to disagree then.  The man had a history of deviant behavior in his treatment of people outside (as well as within) his borders.  When he was at war with Iran, he was using gas on those people too.  (Yes, that's another whole can of worms too).  If he thought he could get away with it... he did it.  Burning whole oil fields is a bit "more" than just a little sour grapes (IMNSHO).

Yes, it has cost us dearly... not only in dollars spent, but in the lives of our own... and, I'm deeply gratified to those families who are carrying that burden.  

If only the "cause" for this administration's "spending" were even half as noble...

[Kidd]

I trust a man wearing cowboy boots then some geezer in a suit any day. I sleep just fine at night even tho 'the world hate us'. Dont make me no differance what they think. F-um.
[/quote]


Well then , maybe the next terrorist  attack  will be in YOUR city

[Ratdog]

No doubt !

Bush and his cowboy boots  mentally is why the world hates  America , well , one of the reasons

Kidd

Yeah... here's the pot calling the kettle black !!!  With your moronic remarks of shooting someone for having an opposing opinion?  You've shot yourself in the foot (with regard to having any credibility).  Although a talking head's opinion may differ from what YOU hold near and dear... his "influence potential" on your life is nil.  You can just aim your remote and find the latest "we are the world" song being offered up.  Your president is by FAR a MUCH greater threat to us all.

How would YOU feel if people here started commenting on shooting YOU if you appeared at a gathering... just because you hold a different opinion?  You should consider buying yourself a clue before running your mouth.  You're way out of line and need to grow up a little before trying to impress anyone with your attempts at wit.  

Ratdog   , you are a 'crackbaby "  , you are why drugs should stay illegal.

My problem is not WHAT he is saying , it's the medium he is using   to get his message out , there are a lot of very very stupid people that   believe  what they hear on TV , just because it's ON the TV  , now that is STUPID .
You crackbaby buddy  twist the truth   , using it to scare  stupid people .

Now , do you really wnat to continue the insults , or is this the only way you can communicate .

Just kidding about the "crackbaby" remarks  , crackbaby  

"kidd"... (fitting handle, BTW)... you continue to display your ignorance brilliantly.  YOU are the clown that uttered that the man should be shot.  I'm simply identifying moronic behavior for what it is... and suggesting that you put a little thought into your words before you put on your keyboard commando Halloween costume and start showing everyone how foolish you are.  Your remark was and REMAINS out of line.  Your attempts to name-call me are weak... and just supports my arguement.  You should learn the differene between identifying displayed behavior and lashing out at the person (because you don't like what they have to say).  As for my "insults" to you... it appears the shoe fits and isn't too comfortable for you.  M'be you'd find things more comfortable if you didn't have your hoof in your mouth while having your head up your ass?

[fudgie]

I trust a man wearing cowboy boots then some geezer in a suit any day. I sleep just fine at night even tho 'the world hate us'. Dont make me no differance what they think. F-um.

Well then , maybe the next terrorist  attack  will be in YOUR city
[/quote]

Nah, it won't be. 

[fstsix]

my point with agent orange was BIO and after all these years even if it was ours it is still Bio, just sayin...BTW you are so quick to discount as none medical but syndrome> http://www1.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=1878

I understand your point that BIO and Chem could take years to be recognized. It has been almost twenty years though, huh? Longer than it took for Agent Orange problems to be admitted, and the military was actively suppressing that.

And I'm not discounting Gulf War Syndrome, just saying that it could once again have been our own stuff, not Saddam's.
[/quote]Full circle Bush again...At least Bush did not Bow down at a hand shake.. to give a sign to the Muslims 'It's Cool fellas'. Wake Up!!! had my Pastor say something last year....he said start looking UP...Hope it's not for a Mushroom cloud.

[Ratdog]

my point with agent orange was BIO and after all these years even if it was ours it is still Bio, just sayin...BTW you are so quick to discount as none medical but syndrome> http://www1.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=1878

I understand your point that BIO and Chem could take years to be recognized. It has been almost twenty years though, huh? Longer than it took for Agent Orange problems to be admitted, and the military was actively suppressing that.

And I'm not discounting Gulf War Syndrome, just saying that it could once again have been our own stuff, not Saddam's.

Full circle Bush again...At least Bush did not Bow down at a hand shake.. to give a sign to the Muslims 'It's Cool fellas'. Wake Up!!! had my Pastor say something last year....he said start looking UP...Hope it's not for a Mushroom cloud.
[/quote]


LOL  Ain't that the truth !! 

[alph]

so, this horse walks into a bar, and the bartender says, "gee buddy, why the long face?"

all this from hannity at sams club (one of the companies most responsible for our manufacturing migration to china)

[JimL]

so, this horse walks into a bar, and the bartender says, "gee buddy, why the long face?"

all this from hannity at sams club (one of the companies most responsible for our manufacturing migration to china)

LOL!  Very well said Alph!!

[fstsix]

Warning!! i got a camera phone of me and Glen Beck up here at his book signing just keep it up and i might just post him 

[PharmBoy]

"The government is not your mommy"!  I love it.  I wish that more people could be weened off the good old government tit; grow up, prepare yourself for life, and quit whining so damn much when the free goods are about to be cut off.  Stand up straight, grow a little spine, and make your own way in life.  The constitution of this great nation does not promise anyone anything except a chance to succeed if you prepare yourself and are capable of doing so.  NO ONE should be entitled to cradle to the grave entitlements as we have now.  All started by Lindon Johnson (A Democrat) and his "Great Society" program in 1964.  Now we have generations of people who have never worked and never intend to work.  They just have more babies and collect a bigger check.  Most of you folks were in knee pants back then or no more than wondering what was going to happen on Friday night, so DO NOT try to tell me any different.  I have seen it in my work place for the last forty years and I would end it all tomorrow if possible.  Entitlement programs are where all your hard earned money is going to go and this administration can't pass enough "Tax and Spend" legislation fast enough to satisfy those who are "on the take"...JTL    (again, read the last line below-it could shed some light)

[JimL]

"The government is not your mommy"!  I love it. 

Damn...good eye Jim, I missed that one in fstsix's signature!  Good signature fstsix!

[Ghillie]

someone who said the government is not my mommy

http://www.urbancure.org/article.asp?id=3141

[fstsix]

That there is funny...Hey Jim L i notice yours keeps getting bigger  maybe i should increase the size LOL btw i seen it on a bumper sticker up here in New England Guess who is our biggest employer in this 'State' Lady had it on the back of her SUV very brave!

[stormrider]

"An suppressed Army test showed high levels of WMD materials in the Baghdad river after the invasion" - pure BS, but Limbaugh and others pushed it while they could
"Obama Death Panels" - pure BS if you look at the evidence

Are you saying that WMDs did not exist in Iraq?  If so... how do you respond to the following link?  Whether or not they ended up in a river isn't what was being ranted about during the Bush Administration... whether or not they even existed is what was in contention.  Of course... everyone forgets to recall that the WMDs were proclaimed by the Clinton Administration first.  It just became popular to point an accusatory finger at Bush because he actually did something.



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/article696557.ece

Humm, seems to me the US manufactured nerve gas at Anniston, AL. Weapons of mass destruction, how many nukes have we made? It's easy for us to point fingers. Know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

[stormrider]

Damn right I blame George W. Bush for "doing something". Saddam was a caged pussy cat after 1991. We had the no-fly zones bottled up, anytime he did anything threatening we just bombed his military a bit and he backed off.
I would respond by saying that uranium is not a bomb. That is like having a bullet without a way to fire it. Are you a threat with a bullet in your pocket? No.Hahahahaha.... dont forget about blaming the Democrats for WMD's  no wonder we have a president that thinks we need his baby bottle to carry his voters for the rest of our lives... http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp                          

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." S
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep.
- Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

SO NOW THE DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES???

War is always about money. "War is a Racket" by Smedly Butler

[Black Pearl's Captain]

all this from hannity at sams club (one of the companies most responsible for our manufacturing migration to china)

Total BS, the people that buy the products are responible for any such migration. Money talks, manufacturers listen. Now tell me you don't own any Chinese stuff. Turn your keyboard over and tell me it doesn't say made in china on it (mine does (at workplace)). Please reply ASAP.

Raymond

[stormrider]

I would respond by saying that uranium is not a bomb. That is like having a bullet without a way to fire it. Are you a threat with a bullet in your pocket? No.

Would you say that now that Canada has the same uranium that they are an "imminent threat"?

And everybody believed Iraq had WMDs. Myself included. But does that mean there's an "imminent threat"? No.

Damn right I blame George W. Bush for "doing something". Saddam was a caged pussy cat after 1991. We had the no-fly zones bottled up, anytime he did anything threatening we just bombed his military a bit and he backed off.

What did that cost us? Zero American lives and maybe a few million bucks a month.

What did invading get us? Tons of American lives lost, almost a trillion dollars spent so far, and is the threat of WMD's from Iraq any lower? No. There was no "imminent threat" and there still isn't.

Plus now if some other country decides to invade another because of an "imminent threat", does America have any moral standing to object? No.

P.S. I'm ex Army infantry. I'm all for eliminating threats. But they have to be real threats.

There's strategy and then there's strategery.

Why don't you go ask the people in Iraq (whom Sadaam gassed) whether he was a threat.  The man was a threat... and trying to enable himself to become a more serious threat (outside of his borders).  

No, I never said that Canada is now a threat.  I don't have reason to believe their intent is malicious in nature.  

I see the current administration to be a much greater threat to us all (than ANY "blame" you choose to direct at the Bush administration).

And quiz all the babies that we've allowed to be murdered if the terror exists in tearing of a life from the womb. Who are we? We are certainly not righteous.

[Ratdog]

"An suppressed Army test showed high levels of WMD materials in the Baghdad river after the invasion" - pure BS, but Limbaugh and others pushed it while they could
"Obama Death Panels" - pure BS if you look at the evidence

Are you saying that WMDs did not exist in Iraq?  If so... how do you respond to the following link?  Whether or not they ended up in a river isn't what was being ranted about during the Bush Administration... whether or not they even existed is what was in contention.  Of course... everyone forgets to recall that the WMDs were proclaimed by the Clinton Administration first.  It just became popular to point an accusatory finger at Bush because he actually did something.



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/article696557.ece

Humm, seems to me the US manufactured nerve gas at Anniston, AL. Weapons of mass destruction, how many nukes have we made? It's easy for us to point fingers. Know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

There is a difference between making/keeping (and being prepared to use them as a last resort)... and making/keeping while looking for the next conquest.  I think it's pretty safe to say that we (collectively, as a nation) lead the world in developing conventional "tools" that can/do limit collateral damage as much as possible.  Our (as a nation) intent is not predatory in nature.  As an individual, I may own/keep deadly weapons, and am capable of using them... but, I'm not out prowling the night, looking for a victim.  "Be wise as serpents, and as harmless as doves".

[Ratdog]

I would respond by saying that uranium is not a bomb. That is like having a bullet without a way to fire it. Are you a threat with a bullet in your pocket? No.

Would you say that now that Canada has the same uranium that they are an "imminent threat"?

And everybody believed Iraq had WMDs. Myself included. But does that mean there's an "imminent threat"? No.

Damn right I blame George W. Bush for "doing something". Saddam was a caged pussy cat after 1991. We had the no-fly zones bottled up, anytime he did anything threatening we just bombed his military a bit and he backed off.

What did that cost us? Zero American lives and maybe a few million bucks a month.

What did invading get us? Tons of American lives lost, almost a trillion dollars spent so far, and is the threat of WMD's from Iraq any lower? No. There was no "imminent threat" and there still isn't.

Plus now if some other country decides to invade another because of an "imminent threat", does America have any moral standing to object? No.

P.S. I'm ex Army infantry. I'm all for eliminating threats. But they have to be real threats.

There's strategy and then there's strategery.

Why don't you go ask the people in Iraq (whom Sadaam gassed) whether he was a threat.  The man was a threat... and trying to enable himself to become a more serious threat (outside of his borders).  

No, I never said that Canada is now a threat.  I don't have reason to believe their intent is malicious in nature.  

I see the current administration to be a much greater threat to us all (than ANY "blame" you choose to direct at the Bush administration).

And quiz all the babies that we've allowed to be murdered if the terror exists in tearing of a life from the womb. Who are we? We are certainly not righteous.

No arguement from me on that subject.  That's one facet of the Democratic Party's platform which gives me cause to refuse to stand with them.  There's more than one ideal they hold near and dear which causes me revulsion.  I've posted more than once... that if one takes a few minutes to research the number of people/year killed with guns and compare it to the number/year of abortions... one will begin to seriously question the Hippocratic Oath's validity within the circle of those who buy their high-end toys and homes with the proceeds they harvest doing them.  And... one could also ask, how many of each "victim" from each category "had it coming" ?  (Not that the latter's numbers are in need of such consideration as the comparisons are made).

[Mickey Runie]

God Bless you guys for an interesting, and spirited Monday morning, four page read.   The Rune board was kind of boring today and I thought I'd have to go read the local paper.

I didn't know the guy(s) in the original picture, but I did learn my keyboard was indeed "made in China".  And Scanners' contributions to a debate can be so very inspirational, to say the least.         If only S.E. were still allowed to contribute, this thread would have rivaled our 200 mile loop through the colorful Ozark mountainside yesterday on our bikes - NOT.

Thank you.
jimf

[Black Pearl's Captain]

God Bless you guys for an interesting, and spirited Monday morning, four page read.   The Rune board was kind of boring today and I thought I'd have to go read the local paper.

I didn't know the guy(s) in the original picture, but I did learn my keyboard was indeed "made in China".  And Scanners' contributions to a debate can be so very inspirational, to say the least.         If only S.E. were still allowed to contribute, this thread would have rivaled our 200 mile loop through the colorful Ozark mountainside yesterday on our bikes - NOT.

Thank you.
jimf

Hold on. backup, careful there, S.E. is allowed to post here. The STAFF!! has nothing to do with him not posting (so I'm told (I'm not part of STAFF!! (but I did hug MM and see F6gal's knickers once))).

Raymond

[Ratdog]

(but I did ... see F6gal's knickers once))).

Raymond

LMAO !!!  It's been a while since that comment made the rounds.

[Scanner]

I didn't know the guy(s) in the original picture, but I did learn my keyboard was indeed "made in China".  And Scanners' contributions to a debate can be so very inspirational, to say the least.         If only S.E. were still allowed to contribute, this thread would have rivaled our 200 mile loop through the colorful Ozark mountainside yesterday on our bikes - NOT.

Thank you.
jimf

Thanks Mickey!  Course, it doesn't take much to inspire someone who owns a Rune  

It was real clever throwing that "NOT" in there at the end too, you really had us going for awhile!   My eight year old niece does that a lot also.

[fstsix]

Ahhhhh....it's so good to see all in the family back again, and my beloved Step Daddy Scanner   ....FISHSTICKS LOL!!!

[Scanner]

LOL...Fishsticks....that was a pretty good one eh?  

[fstsix]

i kinda like that FISHSTICK handle...i do live on a Island....hey? where is your cousin Puffs LOL!!!

[Momz]

If you really want to end the threat of global Terrorism, broadcast Limbaugh, Hannity, Dr. Micheal Savage and some of those other Right-Wing conservative comedians over the air over Iran, Iraq, Packistan, Afganistan, and any where else they may be held up. That drivel alone would drive them to mass suicide. 

Leave America for those that do the work,...not to those that preach for greed.

[Mickey Runie]

i kinda like that FISHSTICK handle...i do live on a Island....hey? where is your cousin Puffs LOL!!!

Most likely hanging out with S.E. "Eh", "lol".  

And now a personal question for Scanner: When you were little, did people pick on you - A LOT?  

If so, it would go far to explain your tendancy to lash out with the keyboard each time you have nothing significant to say, but instead, attempt personal jabs at people and their viewpoints.

If not, THEY SHOULD HAVE.

Your 8 year old niece sounds like a highly intelligent little person.  I suspect it had nothing to do with heredity.  SFB.

[Scanner]

Hey Mickey, if you can't take it, don't try and dish it out !!

If your "viewpoint" is about me, don't whine when I call you out on it.

[Scanner]

i kinda like that FISHSTICK handle...i do live on a Island....hey? where is your cousin Puffs LOL!!!

Haven't seen him here for awhile.  I think he had all the fun he could stand .......