Latest comment on my darkside video

[Dag]

Here is the latest comment on my darkside video   

OMFG. This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen in my life. Did you brainstorm that one all by yourself or did Honda of Dumbfuckistan install it for you? Nice douche move on promoting the video. How does it feel to pitch such MONUMENTAL STUPIDITY on the net? PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE don't breed. Ever.

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[Cliff]

They obviously didn't see the video of the front tire on a race car showing the incredidble lateral sidewall stresses the tire experiences. The darkside side wall will NEVER experience sidewall stresses like that!!!

[Tundra]

Wow...was that posted here by a VRCC member?
 I'm guessing by the content he does not run a CT . Well Dag, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for all the time and hard work YOU put into the Valkyrie community through your research and videos and web-site. I for one am one you have helped tackle every problem/maintenance I've encountered on my bike, and you are certainly one of my best resources for knowledge when doing so.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you...don't worry about people like that, (They'll self destruct)

[Big Rig]

StOOpid people are every where...especially on the web!

Great video Dag...

Keep up the great work!!!

Ride Safe
Big Rig

[Valker]

My guess is that the critical poster didn't watch the video to see that tire perform.
Sheesh....experts!

[stormrider]

Love it Dag. And the way I explain the superior performance of the CT over the MC tire is evident in the video. The center of gravity and pivot point of a mc tire is moved ever so slightly when cornering. But on a CT, the center is moved more toward the inside of the turning radius which makes for greater leaning ability and the actual weight of the bike is shifted more towards the inside of the turn. In other words, if leaning right, then the weight of the bike makes contact with the road more to the right of the tire thus moving the gravitational pull on the bike more towards the inside of the turn. Also, the bike is lifted slightly giving more ground clearence resulting in a less likely peg drag. If you run a CT, you know what I'm talking about. If not, then darkness covers your eyes. Only the Darksiders know for sure.

[CamTom12]

Nice video, Dag. It just helped me finally decide I'm going DS at my next tire change (~2k miles)!

[Ice]

Dag,

Awesome Video, thanks.
Now I am not a fan of car tires but the post that the guy wrote is stupid in itself. If you feel comfortable with what you are riding then ride on, if you do not like it then don't use it.

Again awesome video, really shows how the tire runs on the road. I had always wondered about that. So for me, even though I will stick to my Motorcycle tires, it was great information.

Yuri

[Duffy]

Wow...was that posted here by a VRCC member?
 I'm guessing by the content he does not run a CT . Well Dag, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for all the time and hard work YOU put into the Valkyrie community through your research and videos and web-site. I for one am one you have helped tackle every problem/maintenance I've encountered on my bike, and you are certainly one of my best resources for knowledge when doing so.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you...don't worry about people like that, (They'll self destruct)

I agree with Tundra. Dag is a great source of information for us all and I appreciate his efforts. Thanks Dag. 

The latest car tire comment is a bit extreme, but opinions are like a$$holes; everybody's got one. 

[BF]

Is that guy part of the Obama administration?   

[JimL]

Dag like everyone else I would like to thank you for all of the valuable resources you have made available to the Valkyrie community.  As far as the comment from this ignorant cretin,  clearly he was typing this as he was being "pounded" by his boyfriend from behind..."PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE"!

[MP]

Thanks for my daily chuckle, Dag!  Keep up the good work.  Nice video.

MP

[Blister]

I'm with the majority here. I can't commend you enough on all the info you share. The time you put in to make video's is very much appreciated. Thanks again Blister

[Serk]

The extra irony of that comment is, if I recall, didn't you make that video initially trying to prove that car tires were bad?

[asfltdncr]

Thanks Dag.  There ARE ignorant Valk owners as hard as it is to believe, right BF?

[gabby]

Thank you Dag.  I really appreciate all the valuable information that you have provided to all of us. I feel as though you are the principal reason that I have a 99 i/s named Bruenhilde. She is all I could dream of having when I was recovering from heart surgery and recovery. I am almost strong enough to handle my green and silver dragon that needs some wind. Hopefully next week or weekend if the weather holds out.

Gabby

[Gryphon Rider]

Love it Dag. And the way I explain the superior performance of the CT over the MC tire is evident in the video. The center of gravity and pivot point of a mc tire is moved ever so slightly when cornering. But on a CT, the center is moved more toward the inside of the turning radius which makes for greater leaning ability and the actual weight of the bike is shifted more towards the inside of the turn. In other words, if leaning right, then the weight of the bike makes contact with the road more to the right of the tire thus moving the gravitational pull on the bike more towards the inside of the turn. Also, the bike is lifted slightly giving more ground clearence resulting in a less likely peg drag. If you run a CT, you know what I'm talking about. If not, then darkness covers your eyes. Only the Darksiders know for sure.

I run a car tire, and while I agree a car tire will give slightly more leaning clearance, better straight line traction, and is much cheaper, In my opinion the car tire is not ideal for handling.  The tire requires constant push steering pressure in corners, causes the bike to want straigten up in compression bumps, and moves the bike around on uneven pavement.  These are all handicaps I am willing to live with and compensate for.  Superior performance?  Not when it comes to handling.

[RoadKill]

The ignorance of your commentator is OBVIOUS and that is an easily fixed affliction,he can even try penis enlargement drugs/procedures to help with his insecurity issues that cause him to act out and belittle others. Unfortunately there is no cure for his stupidity and little hope for his offspring as they will learn from his example !

[PharmBoy]

Instead of supporting his "theory" with a fact or two, this person resorted to name calling and derogatory statements directed at Dag.  This person has no clue as to what he is talking about and no experience on the subject either.  He is not even capable of evaluating the excellent video of the CT rolling on pavement.  Just ignore this person, now and forever more.  This person is not worth the price of thought ($0.02).  Dag, thank you for all you have done for the members of this club and the Valkyrie community...JTL

[KY,Dave (AKA Misunderstood)]

Instead of supporting his "theory" with a fact or two, this person resorted to name calling and derogatory statements directed at Dag.  This person has no clue as to what he is talking about and no experience on the subject either.  He is not even capable of evaluating the excellent video of the CT rolling on pavement.  Just ignore this person, now and forever more.  This person is not worth the price of thought ($0.02).  Dag, thank you for all you have done for the members of this club and the Valkyrie community...JTL

Ditto to this and a BIG Thanks to you for all you contribute to our knowledge of our Valks !! 

[HotRod]

There will always be small minded people out there Dag,keep up the great work friend.

[SANDMAN5]

I run a car tire, and while I agree a car tire will give slightly more leaning clearance, better straight line traction, and is much cheaper, In my opinion the car tire is not ideal for handling.  The tire requires constant push steering pressure in corners, causes the bike to want straigten up in compression bumps, and moves the bike around on uneven pavement.  These are all handicaps I am willing to live with and compensate for.  Superior performance?  Not when it comes to handling.

I debated whether or not to reply to this, decided to. I run a GYTT and I think that in
MOST conditions it handles equal to or better than a mc tire. I have never noticed the
extra effort needed to lean the Valk into a curve, although I've heard at least one other
person mention it. How exactly would you measure that? Not saying you're wrong, just
that I'm on my 2nd car tar and haven't noticed it. Maybe it's perceived and not actual?
Let's not hijack Dag's thread (great work Dag) further, we can start another thread if
it's worth discussing. YMMV

[clintsdivco]

Dag, I want to also thank you for all of your help and knowledge that you have provided to all of us.

That video is what put the icing on the cake for me to go to my first car tire, and I have never looked back.  I plan on running a car tire the rest of my biking days.

Thanks again,
Clint

[Whistler]

Dag, I want to also thank you for all of your help and knowledge that you have provided to all of us.

That video is what put the icing on the cake for me to go to my first car tire, and I have never looked back.  I plan on running a car tire the rest of my biking days.

Thanks again,
Clint

Ditto here Dag and Thanks I have learned alot from  your website, Kudos! JDW

[Gear Jammer]

Wow...was that posted here by a VRCC member?
 

Dag didn't say it was a VRCC member posting the comment, only that it was posted to his video which is on YouTube.  If you've spent any time on that site, you know there's flakes coming out of the woodwork over there, who have as many opinions as a$$holes for sure.       I'm guessing this was posted over there, and not here.  Even ole Big Al don't get that ranckled over DS   

[Dag]

Thanks for your!!!
I do not take such comments seriously. I got a little adrenaline kick, but it didnt last very long 

I did answer him;
Muzzy337:
OMFG. This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen in my life. Did you brainstorm that one all by yourself or did Honda of Dumbfuckistan install it for you? Nice douche move on promoting the video. How does it feel to pitch such MONUMENTAL STUPIDITY on the net? PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE don't breed. Ever.

Dag:
Thats exacly what I said one year ago. I actually I made this video to proove how how stupid this was. During a discussion on a mc board I said I would rather put mc tires on my car than a car tire on my mc :-)
I had to try it to understand how wrong I was. I have learned not to comment on things I do not have experience with.

[stormrider]

Love it Dag. And the way I explain the superior performance of the CT over the MC tire is evident in the video. The center of gravity and pivot point of a mc tire is moved ever so slightly when cornering. But on a CT, the center is moved more toward the inside of the turning radius which makes for greater leaning ability and the actual weight of the bike is shifted more towards the inside of the turn. In other words, if leaning right, then the weight of the bike makes contact with the road more to the right of the tire thus moving the gravitational pull on the bike more towards the inside of the turn. Also, the bike is lifted slightly giving more ground clearence resulting in a less likely peg drag. If you run a CT, you know what I'm talking about. If not, then darkness covers your eyes. Only the Darksiders know for sure.

I run a car tire, and while I agree a car tire will give slightly more leaning clearance, better straight line traction, and is much cheaper, In my opinion the car tire is not ideal for handling.  The tire requires constant push steering pressure in corners, causes the bike to want straigten up in compression bumps, and moves the bike around on uneven pavement.  These are all handicaps I am willing to live with and compensate for.  Superior performance?  Not when it comes to handling.

I noticed some of the things you mentioned when I first put the CT on, now it seems "normal". And as for push steering, no problem here. I've run Elite 3's and rear Cobra. Prefer the CT in any situation. Of course, tire selection, tire pressure, etc have some to do with the above as well.

[John Schmidt]

Did you all notice the size of the contact patch between the tire and the road? When in a turn the contact patch appears to actually be larger than a m/c tire. Obviously it's much larger than a m/c tire when running straight ahead, but the contact in a turn is what surprised me. I had to go back and watch it a couple more times...looks as big, if not bigger, than the contact of a m/c tire. And yes....I've been running a c/t for about two years now and it has saved my butt at least twice in traffic with its much improved braking. No plans to change, no reason to. Dag, good video, keep up the good work my friend.

[Cliff]

I have nothing but respect for Dag and his informative contributions (which are many).  I hope to someday meet the man and shake his hand.

[HayHauler]

Sure looks like something our ole buddy BigAl would post.   

Just sayin.....

Hay 
Jimmyt

[MP]

The contact patch IS bigger in a corner than a mc tire.  Seems like all the naysayers think in a corner the ct only has a knife edge contact, when in reality it still has about a 50% LARGER contact than a mc tire.

I tried it out myself.  Some lawn watering was creating a little stream coming across a grocery store parking lot.  A friend with a mc tire, and I with my ct, went thru the water at a slow speed, leaned way over on edge.  Scraping floorboards like I do in a corner.  We both agreed my ct patch was about 50% larger that the mc contact patch.  Going straight thru, I was double or so.  Maybe even more.

MP

[Skinhead]

After riding a car tire for 2 seasons on my standard (LOVE it by the way), I just bought a 99 interstate with practicly new E3's on it.  When I first rode the IS, it was wandering all over the road, Checked tire pressures and both were at 25 psi.  I inflated them to 41 psi, still wandering.  Swapped the about used up avon from my standard onto the IS and the wandering went away.  I then got on the standard, with the car tire  to see if it developed the wandering with the E3.  It did, but it was barely noticable because the car tire tracks so straight.  What was a bigger shock, was the difference in feel going from MC to CT.  I never realized it after growing acustom to the car tire, but it is profound!  I will now be going to a CT on the IS as quickly as possible as it has really screwed up my ability to easily switch bikes.

One question, I did get a trailer with the IS, but have never trailerd with CT, (or a MT for that matter).  Who has trailered with a CT and what is your opinion CT vs MT with trailer?

[Duffy]

Dag wrote:
Thats exacly what I said one year ago. I actually I made this video to proove how how stupid this was. During a discussion on a mc board I said I would rather put mc tires on my car than a car tire on my mc :-)
I had to try it to understand how wrong I was. I have learned not to comment on things I do not have experience with.


Good response Dag, and a lesson for us all! "I have learned not to comment on things I do not have experience with."

[clintsdivco]

One question, I did get a trailer with the IS, but have never trailerd with CT, (or a MT for that matter).  Who has trailered with a CT and what is your opinion CT vs MT with trailer?

I never pulled a trailer while I had my motorcycle tire but pulled a couple of different trailers with my car tire and probably logged over 20,000 actually pulling the trailer and had no issues with the car tire with or without the trailer.

Clint

[Dag]

The discussion are still going on... (on youtube)  

Muzzy337;
Are you a tire design engineer? If you're not, you're in for an extremely seriously rude awakening when you crash and cause injuries/damage/death. When the investigation reveals you used auto tires on a motorcycle, the lawyers will eat you alive. You could even be held partially liable for promoting this stupidity on the net. The internet engineer strikes again. OMG- please stop promoting this stupidity


trunnionts;
I assume you are a tire engineer with much mc (motorcycle) riding and mc tire design experience. Please explain in detail why Dag's car tire will cause a crash. I am very concerned because I have about 40000 km on the car tire on my mc in all kinds of weather and road conditions, and have obviously been extremely lucky so far. I would be terribly embarrassed to explain to my fellow mc instructors how my stupid choice of a car tire caused my imminent wreck.

Muzzy337;
I've forgotten more about motorcycle tires than you'll ever know. Your attitude is BEGGING fate to intervene agianst you. Your cockiness will get you snakebit when you LEAST expect it. Notice there's ZERO discussion about slip angles, longitudinal compliance, hysteresis or sidewall loads in these rocket scientists threads? You people are inept hick engineers and believe it works simply because someone threw crap on the wall and it happened to stick for now.

[vanagon40]

Got to love a guy who starts with this:

OMFG. This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen in my life. Did you brainstorm that one all by yourself or did Honda of Dumbsnuggleistan install it for you? Nice douche move on promoting the video. How does it feel to pitch such MONUMENTAL STUPIDITY on the net? PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE don't breed. Ever.

and then complains about the lack of analytical discussion:

. . . Notice there's ZERO discussion about slip angles, longitudinal compliance, hysteresis or sidewall loads in these rocket scientists threads? . . .

[Skinhead]

One question, I did get a trailer with the IS, but have never trailerd with CT, (or a MT for that matter).  Who has trailered with a CT and what is your opinion CT vs MT with trailer?

I never pulled a trailer while I had my motorcycle tire but pulled a couple of different trailers with my car tire and probably logged over 20,000 actually pulling the trailer and had no issues with the car tire with or without the trailer.

Clint

Thanks for the reply, Clint

[Dag]

Sure looks like something our ole buddy BigAl would post.   

Just sayin.....

Hay 
Jimmyt

No, I dont think BigAl would write somthing like this.
He has some strong opinions, but I belive hi is a good guy... I would like to meet him.

[Gear Jammer]

One question, I did get a trailer with the IS, but have never trailerd with CT, (or a MT for that matter).  Who has trailered with a CT and what is your opinion CT vs MT with trailer?

I never pulled a trailer while I had my motorcycle tire but pulled a couple of different trailers with my car tire and probably logged over 20,000 actually pulling the trailer and had no issues with the car tire with or without the trailer.

Clint

Well, I trailered with a CT, since it was in this trailer that I took the CT to Wizard's to change over from the MC to the CT.  My first ride ( returning home) on the CT was while pulling my trailer.   The frequent trailer wiggle I have at high speeds with the MT was not noticeable with the CT.  It may have been back there wiggling, but it wasn't transferring up to the bike as before.  Just my experience, yours may be different.