Exhaust question

[elraque]

I'm kinda new (99 standard, delivered to me 2 weeks ago tomorrow. I've put over 50 miles on it now!!

The right side exhaust header (between the head and the megaphone -- Cobra or 2 Brothers, how do I tell?) is kinda crushed. (The seller told me it "fell over in the garage..." ).

So I'll be fixing it. I'm thinking about just getting a new header (not the whole exhaust). How is the header fastened into the muffler (megaphone)? Do the header pipes extend into the exhaust section or are they welded flush with no pipe insertion? 

The real question is from my welder guy. He wants to know if he has to do an exact fit (flush weld with zero tolerance) or if there is some "tolerance" made available by the "insertion" of the header pipe into the exhaust section.

I know that someone in here has the experience of disassembling the exhausts -- Wouldja help a newbie out?

[ricoman]

No such thing as a "new" header without a costly fabrication. The "megaphone" if stock is part of the one piece exhaust on each side.
Keep an eye on the classifieds and Ebay for a complete system or right side only.
If two bros. you'll see a connection fabricated with a visible spring. Not sure on "cobra", although it is one piece from the engine to the exit. Two Bros will be one pipe, Cobra- three.
A pic would get you good answers for sure, from those here who can really help.
At any rate, if your "welder guy" has to ask that question after seeing the exhaust-get a new "welder guy". One who knows what he's looking at.

[elraque]

Thanks for the info. I'll keep my eyes open (ebay and the classified's here). It sounds like in order to make the exhausts match I'll have to buy a set of two.

If I can figure out how to work the digital camera I'll post a picture.

My welder guy is a really good certified welder -- worked at power plants for decades. He has only seen the exhaust still mounted on the bike. I won't be taking it off until I'm ready to either repair or replace it.

[RLD]

If two bros. you'll see a connection fabricated with a visible spring

Two brothers also makes 6 into 6 pipes so you'll need to provide a picture to help us help you. Are they 6 separate pipes, or 6 into 2? Cobra 6 into 6 have removeable baffles, two brothers are welded in.

[elraque]

These are 6 into 2 and don't seem to have any baffles. (Nice rumble, not too loud, seems to give pretty good performance but this is my first Valk so I don't have anything to compare to...).

I'm working on getting some pic's.

[ricoman]

Pinwall has a right header only on ebay for $29.95 + $23.33 to ship.
Check it out. Pinwall has a good rep-lotsa folks here (me included) have gotten used parts from them

[elraque]

I'll be really interested in getting that header if I can be sure that it will work.

Looking at that header I don't think it's chrome (like the ones on the Valk now). That's probably a deal killer. Unless I can get it chromed for a reasonable expense...

[elraque]

Here's a link to some pic's of me and the new Standard:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31201396&id=1136720292

If you click "next" it will show details of the exhaust system and the part that has been smushed.

[ricoman]

Elraque,
they are all chrome, some not as well kept as those on the nice std. you got. Rechrome could be costly.
I almost thnk you should look for a complete right side-get some chrome polish and go to work. Take off your stacks and put them on the new exhaust. If you decide to do anything, spend a couple hours "searching" this forum to learn a bit about exhausts and install. There is more info here than you can learn in a week.


Somebody here help him figure out his exhaust. I see truck stacks but can't tell what's under them.

[elraque]

Here are the links to the photobucket images:

side view:  http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz91/elraque/valk_exhaust_pic.jpg

Smushed header: http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz91/elraque/Valk_Smushed_pic.jpg

Rear view -- No baffles in here!
http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz91/elraque/valk_tailpipe_pic.jpg

Anybody see anything they recognize?

[Blackduck]

Look like stock headers. Have a look underneath the exhaust, is the chrome section larger than the pipe going into the muffler? If so it is standard. Have look into the end of the system, is there 1 or three outlet pipes. 3 would most likely mean it is stock. Single either stock and been cut off or has had the glass pack mod.
Add my vote to Pinwall being a good source for parts.
Cheers Steve

[Hoser]

What th heck is that chrome piece covering the front 2 exhausts?   ???  hoser 

[elraque]

What th heck is that chrome piece covering the front 2 exhausts?   ???  hoser 

That would be the chrome "crash bars" or "highway bar" or "case guard." It connects to the kind of oval-like guard that goes around the front of the engine to protect it (and my legs) if the bike gets laid over. I can post a better pic if ya want -- I've been TRAINED (by the experts at VRCC!)

[BF]

This is the stock pipes.......



Yours has had truck stacks put on them.  These are truck stacks......

http://store.airflo.com/af40-438hs.html

This is how to put them on a set of stock pipes.......

http://www.timskelton.com/valkyrie/how_to/stacks.htm

The other possiblity is that your pipes have had glasspacks installed on them.  Basically, the pipes have been butchered and have had glasspacks welded on with the truck stacks put on over the glasspack. 

This is a glass pack mod......

http://www.valkyrieriders.com/shoptalk/noteasy.htm

Either way.....stock pipes with truck stacks, or glasspack mods with truck stacks, you're gonna spend some buck$ to fix that crunch. 

[elraque]

BF:

That's the best information I could have asked for! I just wish your new$$ wa$n't going to co$t me $$$oooo much!

So I guess I have some decisions to make. (and more questions).

My first question is: If I go with an aftermarket, do I get any more performance to go with the noise? The sound level doesn't really matter to me, especially if it adversely affects performance.

THANKS, BF, for the pictures and the links. REALLY useful stuff!

[MP]

Aftermarket will not help with power, and usually hurts power.  ie Cobra is minus 6-10 hp.  Stock is good. Cobra is about the only aftermarket exhaust still out there, that I know of.  2bros were better, same hp as OEM!

MP

[BF]

Ditto what MP said. 

I think about the only "aftermarket" pipes being manufactered out there are the Cobra's (I could be wrong here)....and you'll lose HP with those.  They sound kewl (kinda tinny to some, but still cool), but you'll lose HP.

Here's a list of pipes/exhaust for the Valk.  How many of them are still doing exhausts I don't know.  Contact them to see.

http://www.valkyrienorway.com/Exhaust.html

However, Mark T is still doing his pipes and it's my understanding that his WILL add power......and are the shiznit as far as Valk exhausts go.  He's got several different options for his exhausts.  I can tell you this, if I had the spare buck$ to spend on a new exhaust, it'd be his no doubt about it.

Give him a call if you're interested.  He's in the middle of the country in Colorado.  I've never talked to him, but I've heard nothing but good things about the guy.  Here's a link to Mark T's site......

http://horseapple.com/Valkyrie/Valk_Products/M2W_Exhaust__System/m2w_exhaust__system.html

 

[Hoser]

"I'm kinda new (99 standard, delivered to me 2 weeks ago tomorrow. I've put over 50 miles on it now!!"

Fifty miles in 2 weeks?  Hope that's a mis-print!      hoser

[Misfit]

Ernie Shuster at Dragon packs or markT at horse apple should be able to hook yoju up without loosing any hp.

[elraque]

"I'm kinda new (99 standard, delivered to me 2 weeks ago tomorrow. I've put over 50 miles on it now!!"

Fifty miles in 2 weeks?  Hope that's a mis-print!      hoser

Yeah, only fifty in two weeks... I was waiting for the windshield to be delivered. Yesterday (Monday, Memorial Day) I put on about 330 miles to make up for the slow start. Today it was back to work... I'm just getting started!

[elraque]

Ernie Shuster at Dragon packs or markT at horse apple should be able to hook yoju up without loosing any hp.

Thanks for all the good info. As I said, the performance is more important than the sound, but the rumble is impressive if it comes with the performance.

 I'll be saving my allowance and deciding whether to go back stock or to do the "horseapple" thing. I'm in Utah, he's in Colorado, I should be able to find him and get the work done this winter, when it's too cold to ride... How hard is it to teach a Valk to ride on a trailer?

[Hoser]

"I'm kinda new (99 standard, delivered to me 2 weeks ago tomorrow. I've put over 50 miles on it now!!"

Fifty miles in 2 weeks?  Hope that's a mis-print!      hoser

Yeah, only fifty in two weeks... I was waiting for the windshield to be delivered. Yesterday (Monday, Memorial Day) I put on about 330 miles to make up for the slow start. Today it was back to work... I'm just getting started!

That's better!  hoser

[TGViper]

Ernie Shuster at Dragon packs or markT at horse apple should be able to hook yoju up without loosing any hp.

Thanks for all the good info. As I said, the performance is more important than the sound, but the rumble is impressive if it comes with the performance.

 I'll be saving my allowance and deciding whether to go back stock or to do the "horseapple" thing. I'm in Utah, he's in Colorado, I should be able to find him and get the work done this winter, when it's too cold to ride... How hard is it to teach a Valk to ride on a trailer?

+1 on Mark T exhaust.  Did it to my valk 2 months ago, never go back to stock again.  You do it all through the mail, no need to take your bike there.

Vip

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Valks don't like trailers and won't fit in a truck.  For that you need a different bike!  One that costs 2 to 3 times as much and is capable of "converting fuel into noise without the unwanted side-effect of horsepower"