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« on: June 04, 2010, 08:04:08 PM »

This time line pretty much sums it up.   Man this guy is really serious about his golf games...

Likes vacations alot and likes to travel to eat quite a bit too...

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"We have two companies of Marines running rampant all over the northern half of this island, and three Army regiments pinned down in the southwestern corner, doing nothing. What the hell is going on?"
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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2010, 08:22:29 PM »

Did any one really expect him to be on the coast scrubbing oil off of pelicans? I mean ,REALLY !

I think this man is evil and intends to destroy our great country  BUT he IS the present P.O.T.U.S ! What does every one think he should do? What could he have done to prevent this disaster or do to stop it now? This all seems very similar to the left blaming George W. for causing Katrina !  Are we now stooping to their level?
 George sat in a class room with 4th graders while the twin towers burned...Did we expect him  go stab Osama in the forehead with an ink pen instead?  I'm confused ? what should the jack ass in office today do ?,Drop ALL other duties ? ? ?  What would Ronald have done?

Please help me see here...I just dont get it... please forgive me.
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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2010, 08:33:19 PM »

No, I dont expect him to be down there getting photo ops and scrubbing birds covered in oil.  Him being down there too much might actually hamper efforts.  I expect him down there or at the White House being informed, having his finger on the pulse of things, perhaps calling ppl with deep water experience and bringing minds together to solve the problem.  Having consultations with folks in the know about how to prevent future events like this.  I know he cant personally meet with all these ppl.  No president is that much of a superman.  When we are at war, having this financial crisis, the oil spill, joblessness, immigration problems... I just dont expect him to be out running around playing golf, going on vacations... He does more of that than any president I can remember in my lifetime.  I dont want him down there getting in the way, but he seems just disconnected from the troubles of our country.  We as a country hired him to do this job.  I expect him to get to it.  Same thing with Afghanistan.  How long was it before he finally had a REAL meeting with McCrystal?  Months.  He is more concerned with fund raisers etc than being the president and putting his back into it.

As Mel Brooks once said....  "Its good to be da King!"
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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2010, 08:55:18 PM »

No, I dont expect him to be down there getting photo ops and scrubbing birds covered in oil.  Him being down there too much might actually hamper efforts.  I expect him down there or at the White House being informed, having his finger on the pulse of things, perhaps calling ppl with deep water experience and bringing minds together to solve the problem.  Having consultations with folks in the know about how to prevent future events like this.  I know he cant personally meet with all these ppl.  No president is that much of a superman.  When we are at war, having this financial crisis, the oil spill, joblessness, immigration problems... I just dont expect him to be out running around playing golf, going on vacations... He does more of that than any president I can remember in my lifetime.  I dont want him down there getting in the way, but he seems just disconnected from the troubles of our country.  We as a country hired him to do this job.  I expect him to get to it.  Same thing with Afghanistan.  How long was it before he finally had a REAL meeting with McCrystal?  Months.  He is more concerned with fund raisers etc than being the president and putting his back into it.

As Mel Brooks once said....  "Its good to be da King!"


He is a politician! Did any one with a brain expect a leader to emerge from the last presidential election?  The president has no power....it is up to congress to get anything worth a crap done...when was the last time that happened?  If obama'tard just stays on vacation and does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ,just like Bill Clinton did, we will all be better off! He's done enough damage already !  Did you expect him to undo any of it?  You are asking way too much from a broken bureaucracy in my opinion. I can not imagine who he could find under his control to do a better job than the oil company and I'll bet that their efforts are being hampered by the red tape,EPA,and bureaucratic bull$hit enough already. when this admin. gets involved it all goes to hell...so I think our best bet is to send Barry to the golf coarse! that is probably where he is the LEAST dangerous!
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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2010, 09:11:55 PM »

Sadly over half the country expected a leader... I didnt, but I hoped for the best.  The president does wield power though.  He in large part controls the agenda.  He has the bully pulpit.  He has the duty wield that power and influence for the good of the public.

Your right that BP is probably the ones in the best position to deal with the crisis and most of the stuff happening right now is probably just to gloss over PR and pacify the public with the appearance of efforts, however unlikely to succeed, until relief wells can be bored and the flow stopped.  Still, the president should be fully engaged in the many crisis's we are facing.  He just isnt.  In the middle of a financial disaster, a budget out of control... he suggests more spending..  thats like being drunk and trying to drink your way to sobriety.... its not gonna work.  Perhaps its his adjenda to break the nation through all means necessary so that it can be rebuilt as a socialist one.  I dont know... but everything that this guy does just pisses me off on some level.

Alot of lives are being destroyed down there right now.  I feel for them.  Long term the environment will rebound.  The spill will get cleaned up... but the damage to these businesses will be done.
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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2010, 09:28:25 PM »

This has been his mode of operation from the beginning and unfortunately it is not so different from the standard . That precedent was set WAY before DumBo the flying assjack took office  Sad  I agree with you on most every thing...but I think we'll do better at this point to get Obama a humidor full of cigars and a few interns (I dont care if they are male) to keep him busy . This guy is dangerous and we are SCREWED until we can do better in 2012. His involvement will make things worse...he KNOWS JACK about what is happening out there and needs to keep his big ears out of it!  I'm as pissed as you are about the situation but he didnt cause it any more than he could possibly help fix it!  POST TURTLES should stay on the damn post!
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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2010, 03:24:33 AM »

Did someone say "Post Turtle"

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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2010, 04:21:54 AM »

You're both right, Sludge and Road Kill.  However, a president is known by the staff that he chooses. They appear to be totally incompetent about the oil spill.  The emphasis seems to be on raising hell and pointing fingers, for them it's a political thing, not a environmental disaster,  and for that Obama must take the full blame.

I'm not seeing any results except now he's evidently taking the advice of his staff, "Never let a Crisis go to waste!"   Off shore drilling moratoriam and One Cap and Trade coming up.   Here comes the bully pulpit.

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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2010, 04:41:32 AM »

I agree with ROADKILL in that Obama cant plug the hole just because he is "president".  However if he wasnt so "tied into BP" he maybe would have kept a bit more pressure on them to move quicker.  Even one day less between this failed plan and the next would be thousands of gallons of oil less to deal with. 

BP has been given way to much room, and Obama way too much of a pass.

I also have the personal perception that Obama could have pulled in a larger crowd of SMART people to surround him, so if BP cant figure out how to fix it, maybe somone else could, but thats just MHO

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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2010, 05:03:57 AM »

As always, "Government isn't your Mommy" until you need em...and then the whining starts.

Some things Mommy just can't fix when they get broke....
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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2010, 05:34:25 AM »

kinda does smell Fishy, the whole timing and all, right after Caesar Nero gave the OK to start Oil prospecting again, How Phony is this coming for Mr Green jeans laughable crazy2 You know never let a Good crisis go to waist, the problem this party is going to have is they are soooo transparent that they are toooo obvious, EPA has no congressional over site and will use this as a platform to push more regulation and Crap&Tax, Also by the time all the lawsuits start flying Caesar will have BP to their knees and own them and that will be interesting, But i am sure this will be a good thing  Lips Sealed BTW Step Daddy Kiss BP is the one Fixing the Problem NOT FEMA they have just got in the way with their RED tape, I hope Jindal goes a head with his barrier and says Screw the the Feds to save what we can and not Act like a politician and Do what is right! Not PC!!! 
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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2010, 05:48:14 AM »

Most of you guys posting on this thread I tend to agree with on most issues, and as such I politely want to point out one thing; conspiracy theories sound just as ignorant coming out of the mouth of a conservative as they do coming out of the mouth of a liberal.

I just don't see any basis for making claims that this tragedy was caused by BO...any more than the wacky claims from the left that G.W. Bush brought down the twin towers in order to justify invading the middle east.

Conservatives loose credibility (mostly among other conservatives) when they start sounding like "kool-aid drinking" liberals.
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« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2010, 05:55:17 AM »

Most of you guys posting on this thread I tend to agree with on most issues, and as such I politely want to point out one thing; conspiracy theories sound just as ignorant coming out of the mouth of a conservative as they do coming out of the mouth of a liberal.

I just don't see any basis for making claims that this tragedy was caused by BO...any more than the wacky claims from the left that G.W. Bush brought down the twin towers in order to justify invading the middle east.

Conservatives loose credibility (mostly among other conservatives) when they start sounding like "kool-aid drinking" liberals.
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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2010, 05:56:30 AM »

As always, "Government isn't your Mommy" until you need em...and then the whining starts.

Some things Mommy just can't fix when they get broke....

I agree there is a lot of whining but I believe the government should be prepared for some things and this is one. We have allowed the oil companies to drill in deep water and this has been predicted by many of the experts, so why are we not prepared? Mostly because the government is to busy putting out other fires in other countries. BP and all the other companies were allowed to drill in this way because we as Americans want cheap gas and our government has not really governed in many years. I don't think Obama is much different than those who have recently come before him, sad, I was hoping for better.
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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2010, 06:07:24 AM »



I did not dispute what Bobby Jindal is saying...I agree completely.  Once again, my only problem is the ridiculous conspiracy claims....conservatives can do no greater harm to ourselves than when we start acting and sounding like liberals.
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« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2010, 06:17:48 AM »

I think he is doing what he can. Like they said, BP and other oil companies have far more expierience and equiptment then the Gov does in trying to plug the hole. He's been down there 3 times, dont see how that is hindering any efforts. I do not believe this is Obamas fault. I also do not think Katrina was Bush's fault.
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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2010, 06:36:05 AM »



I did not dispute what Bobby Jindal is saying...I agree completely.  Once again, my only problem is the ridiculous conspiracy claims....conservatives can do no greater harm to ourselves than when we start acting and sounding like liberals.
Jim, my concern is the lack of News on the supposed 11 victims, Not a word from Mr O on any public TV to comfort the family's, Strong Eagle made a good point about the American Education system failure and i just about fell off my chair on how correct he was, I have been searching for weeks on U-tube and so on to find up close personal statements from family survivors of the 11 dead MIA,just internet BS with no substance, Why did not Mr O go on National TV and comfort? What you may call Ignorant i would say don't be Naive, could their possibly be any one Industry that could have more control and Power as this Topic?   
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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2010, 06:53:45 AM »

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Rig Survivors Felt Coerced To Sign Waivers

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Hours after they had been rescued, workers who survived an explosion on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico were asked to sign form letters about what they had seen and whether they had been injured.

Lawyers for the oil rig's owner, Transocean, requested that workers who had survived the blast sign the form in the wake of the April 20 blowout on the Deepwater Horizon. This was hours before the workers had been allowed to see their families.
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Now some of those survivors say they were coerced and that the forms are being used against them as they file lawsuits seeking compensation for psychiatric problems and other injuries from the blast.

"The form that they made them sign had, 'I was here when it happened, I didn't see anything.' Or 'I saw this and I was or was not hurt,' " says Steven Gordon, a Houston attorney who represents some of the survivors.

It's a pre-printed form letter. The surviving rig worker was asked to fill in the date, his name and address and where he was at the time the evacuation was ordered.

Then there are the two paragraphs at the end.

One says: "I was not a witness to the incident requiring the evacuation and have no first hand or personal knowledge regarding the incident."

The second says: "I was not injured as a result of the incident or evacuation."

The men were asked — if they agreed — to initial those statements.

Documents show those initials now are being used against the survivors as they file lawsuits seeking payment for emotional distress and other claims. Gordon says "When we were hired by one of the survivors, we gave notice to Transocean's lawyers. And the immediate response was, 'Wow, we're surprised. Here's a statement that says he's not hurt.'"

Gordon and attorney Kurt Arnold each have one client who has received letters from Transocean in the past few days.

Arnold says asking the men to sign those forms was coercive. He says the request came more than 24 hours after the rescue, after the men had seen 11 of their friends die in the explosion and chaos of that night, and after they had run to lifeboats to try to save their own lives.

Arnold's clients aren't speaking publicly but have described the scene to him. "It's extremely gruesome," he says. "I mean, one of the guys told me that as he's running out, there's guys burning and some guys missing limbs. It's like a war zone."

Arnold and Gordon say the survivors were kept on the water, in boats and on another rig for 15 hours or more. The explosion on the rig happened at about 10 p.m. on Tuesday, April 20. "They did not bring them in till 3 a.m. Thursday morning," Gordon says.

When they did get to shore, he says: "They were zipped into private buses, there was security there, there was no press, no lawyers allowed, nothing, no family members. They drove them to this hotel and they escorted them into the back of this hotel, once again under escort."

It would be many hours more, according to lawyers and survivors, before they could see family and, for many, even telephone loved ones to say they were safe.

Secluded at a hotel, they were questioned by company consultants and investigators. And given the form to sign.

Arnold says it only added to his client's emotional distress. "Talking about adding to post-traumatic stress. Don't take them in once you get 'em off the rig. Just keep 'em there for 15 hours so that they can watch, watch their rig burning up, knowing they had to leave some of those guys behind. I mean come on. Really? Was there any reason for that?"

But Arnold thinks it was very deliberate. "The reason they were doing that, I think, is so they could assemble their teams onshore of investigators so that when they got to the hotel room they could try to get these guys to sign statements and such before they'd even let them go to bed. That's what they did. Unbelievable."

Other legal experts said the tactic of such letters is extreme but not unheard of — and that courts may question them. Says Robert Anderson, who teaches maritime law at Pepperdine University School of Law in California: "I think the court would respond very skeptically to a waiver of any type of these basic rights where the seaman was acknowledging that he or she was not injured or suffered no damages or otherwise was releasing the employer, particularly if that waiver was executed in the wake of a rescue at sea."

NPR contacted Transocean and the company sent a response by e-mail. "From the beginning," the response says, "our focus has been on the crewmembers and their families, working with all parties in the response efforts and conducting a Transocean investigation into the incident. At this time, it would be inappropriate to comment on litigation."
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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2010, 07:24:57 AM »

BHO is doing all he can with the personel he has at his disposal.

After all, he brought in deep ocean expert, movie director James Cameron for his advice on the matter.

I feel better already.

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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2010, 07:41:20 AM »

BHO is doing all he can with the personel he has at his disposal.

After all, he brought in deep ocean expert, movie director James Cameron for his advice on the matter.

I feel better already.

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I join your contempt for Cameron and the other armchair engineers that are not helping matters.

The ignorance that spewed forth from Cameron's mouth satisfied those hard core ideologues for which sensible debate would not have made much difference in the first place.  I'm sure that Rosie O'Donnell and Sean Penn are just a few of the qualified "Hollywood engineers" that join other qualified liberals in calling the BP engineers incompetent. They couldn't differentiate X squared if you spotted them the 2 and the X
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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2010, 07:48:22 AM »

Rosie? here she is LOL!!
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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2010, 07:51:14 AM »

Rosie? here she is LOL!!


My apologies fstsix...I certainly meant no disrespect for that awesome blown Valkyrie of yours!!
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« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2010, 07:58:09 AM »

LOL !! i set myself up every time i bring up her name and say i am gonna go ride _____? well.....i am sure some will get a smile out of that thought  Grin Now lets just get that visual out of or heads  Lips Sealed
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« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2010, 09:42:09 AM »

Just a little example of what I mean.  That reprehensable CEO from BP goes on TV saying there will be "thousands" of workers standing by to clean up any oil that hits a beach.  Well, thats only on the popular beaches that "look good enough" to show on TV.  But, we let him call the shots???

I live on the gulf coast.  Local people have seen nasty beaches already with dead wildlife and oil coating everything...and NO workers there at all.  We (the American people) with "president" Obama being the head of (for the moment) has allowed this CEO to minimize the stated damage and make it seem like they are mounting a terrific front against immediate clean up.  Its all just a front for appearances, just like Obama's staged trip to a clean white beach with one lone tar ball on it for him to look at...

Its BS......and we (with Obama being the head) let BP lolligag their way to letting this leak be a much bigger disaster than it needed to be IMHO  
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« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2010, 11:09:38 AM »

Just a little example of what I mean.  That reprehensable CEO from BP goes on TV saying there will be "thousands" of workers standing by to clean up any oil that hits a beach.  Well, thats only on the popular beaches that "look good enough" to show on TV.  But, we let him call the shots???

I live on the gulf coast.  Local people have seen nasty beaches already with dead wildlife and oil coating everything...and NO workers there at all.  We (the American people) with "president" Obama being the head of (for the moment) has allowed this CEO to minimize the stated damage and make it seem like they are mounting a terrific front against immediate clean up.  Its all just a front for appearances, just like Obama's staged trip to a clean white beach with one lone tar ball on it for him to look at...

Its BS......and we (with Obama being the head) let BP lolligag their way to letting this leak be a much bigger disaster than it needed to be IMHO  

Steve I can only imagine the frustration you folks on the coast are feeling, and I certainly am not minimizing the importance of committing resources to clean up the damage to the coastal areas.  This may seem a bit strange...but in certain ways I see similarities in solving the gushing oil problem and the illegal immigration problem.  In both cases, the first thing that has to be addressed is the source of the leak itself.  I am assuming that there are not unlimited resources to throw at this problem, it will take a very long time to accomplish all that needs to be done.  The cleanup effort needs to proceed to the extent that it doesn't interfere with the resources needed to stop the flow of oil....if the flow of oil doesn't cease the cleanup effort is futile.  

I am hesitant to criticize the president in this case because in my opinion he has finally gotten something right, the focus of the pressure needs to be directed and is being directed in stopping the source of the leak.  Once the leak is contained, BP needs to be held accountable for cleaning up the damaged coastal areas.  If only BO would quit playing politics and apply the same principles to stopping the gusher of illegal immigrants flowing across our borders I would be pleased to give him the credit due him for that also.
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