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ArmyValker
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« on: July 07, 2010, 07:46:59 AM »

Just bought a new (to me, 35k) 08 Honda Civic to drive back and forth everyday... putting gas in the F-150 was getting old. Anyway, I test drove every small car from every manufacturer (except Chevy/Pontiac, wouldn't even consider it after my wife's Pontiac) and visited 5 different dealers in the area. Finally found a HONDA.. damn things are harder to find used, and reasonably priced than gold. Anyway, I settled on the Honda, after being greatly underwhelmed by offerings from Toyota, Nissan, and Ford.

I'm happy with the deal I got on the Honda... I ain't naive enough to think I stole it or anything, but I got it for less than KBB value for Fair-Private Party.. and over 2k less than Dealer Value. I'm happy with that. What I was surprised at is the underhanded way the dealer handled the financing. I've since been informed that "All dealers" practice this, and I'm just uninformed. Well, I guess this is the first car I've ever chosen to finance, so I don't know.

First of all, I drove cars at several dealers, found this Honda, had a wonderful salesperson, took about an hour to negotiate the price I wanted. We agreed on the price, and I said *IF* you can come up with a decent interest rate for financing. Ok, no problem, the financing dude comes out, has me fill out an application and all. About 15 minutes later, he comes back with this piece of paper with two columns.

First column, 100k mile warranty, road hazard warranty, GAP Insurance, 84 months loan term.

Second Column, 100k mile extended warranty, GAP Insurance, 84 month loan term.

At the bottom , two check boxes and a signature line, choose which one you want. I looked at the guy and said what is this? He said "Your financing options" I said "Who told you I wanted a warranty, GAP insurance, and an 84 month loan" and he didn't say anything. I said "Take this back in your office, take all this crap off, apply a 48 month loan term, and bring it back."

Boy, I don't know if that guy knew how close he was to getting his ass chewed. Do all dealers do shady crap like this? If I'd have been able to find that car for that price ANYWHERE else, I'd have walked. Anyway, the more I think about it, the more I wanna go back and give him a piece of my mind.
Thought this would be better. I DID email the owner of the dealership and tell him exactly what I told you. I think a phone call will be warranted as well.

Oh, for my local buddies.. this was at Denny Ford in Rolla.  I like Lindsay in Lebanon better (bought my truck there).
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2010, 08:17:15 AM »

Dealers are in the business to make money.

Lots of people LIKE the lower payment, and would go that route because it LOWERED their payment even though the term was almost twice as long.

I am with YOU.  Take off the crap.

I usually arrange my financing away from the dealership, thru my credit union.  Then I can go into the dealership and write a check.

One of these days, I'll have enough money that I'll never finance another vehicle.  Hopefully SOON. 

Interest is the WORST thing you battle in the fight for personal wealth.

Well, that and taxes... but lets not go there here.

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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2010, 08:21:50 AM »

"GO WITH GRIFFITH IN NEOSHO!"  

That's all we ever hear on TV in our neck of Missouri.   They like to tack on some BS environmental fees and other assorted chit at the bottom of all their service invoices to look like official taxes.  This is on top of their ever-increasing hourly shop rates charged up higher on the invoice.  They'll tack on the BS even if you are only buying a part from them IF you don't watch them.  I have them removed before I pay the bill.

I think most stealerships are the same, probably nationwide.   They go to school on how to squeeze the most out of every customer in ever-changing ways so as to not be noticed by the customers.

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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2010, 08:28:45 AM »

AV, Good for you.  The finance guy along with most sales people at a dealership work on commision.  Like Jabba said, get your financing at your bank or credit union before you go.  If the finance guy gets it for you, he gets a cut on that also.  When I was in the military and PCSed back to CONUS, I went to the local Chevy dealer to buy a truck.  Sales went fine but when it came to the finance guy, he was adamant that I buy insurance on the loan in case I got sick and wasn't able to work.  Anybody with ANY knowledge of the military knows you get paid twice a month whether or not your sick.  He caused the dealership to lose the sale.  I went to another (smaller) dealership and bought a GMC.

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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2010, 09:04:35 AM »

I use to sell cars.  Dealers use those tactics to make extra profit on the "backside".  They also make points from the financing companies.  I worked for one company that charged extra for standard equipment.  tickedoff
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2010, 09:12:32 AM »

Go into the F&I office with your eyes open and read everything - don't assume the dealer is there to help you.  I've yet to buy a car at a dealer where they did not try to put extra stuff into the deal.  You have a right to say no and a right to walk out if you don't like what they are doing.  And if you start to walk, 99% of the time, you will win.

My wife used to get mad at me when I'd do all the negotiating so I let her do the whole deal on her last car.  Afterwards, I read the contract and paperwork and found they had overcharged her on add-ons that would not work on her car and warranties that would not protect anything.  As we had purchased 3 cars at this Honda place, the manager did cut us a check for the overcharges after a few phone calls and only one threat to take it to the BBB.

Again, just read it all, ask for explanations and expect to confront in such situations.  All dealers do it.
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2010, 09:16:08 AM »

Car Salesmen are NOT your friends.

Do your homework, don't buy add ons, and you take control.

Believe nothing unless it's on paper and then question it!

Buying a car will not be a pleasant experience.
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2010, 09:18:37 AM »

Oh, dealerships hate people like you.   Grin

I read this article a while back about a journalist who went undercover to work in car sales.  If you haven't seen it before, it's a really eye-opening read.

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/article.html   cooldude
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2010, 09:24:27 AM »

I've bought 6 or 7 vehicles from the same dealer. He's a one man operation and I always come out way ahead. Usually able to buy seveal k's below loan value. And if he doesn't have what I want, I can go to the auction with him and say, let's buy that one. And he knows his vehicles, he's a certified GM mechanic. Not everyone has that luxury but there are those independant guys out there that will help you. And none of the add on bs ever at all. Just great deals. BTW, the deals I've gotten from him, I could turn around and make money.
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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2010, 09:39:04 AM »

did youget the undercoat and Scotchbrite protection on the seat?

I sure hope so.  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2010, 09:45:39 AM »

I have found over the years, the hard part is not negotiating the price of a car...the deceit comes during the financing portion. I have a calculator that can amortize -so I simply plug in an amount I can finance and calculate payments.  They always get nervous when I pull out that calculator. But one time, I still got burned because they switched the interest rate somewhere during the paper shuffle. It was nearly 10:PM  that night, my wife's  '89 T-bird tranny was shot and were weren't getting home with it - We qualified for  an 8 % used car loan...but somewhere it got switched to  10.5% which I noticed when the first payment coupon came in the mail.  I won't go into what I did next... but I ended up with an 8% loan before the finance guy got a '97 Accord suppository!! Angry

My latest vehicle purchase a couple years ago, the finance guy would not let me leave his office until he presented no less than 5 warranty plans to me in full detail...even after I told him I didn't want any of their warranties... the  top of the line one damn near doubled the monthly payment but he claimed it would cover light bulbs, oil changes, etc...   Finally when I threatened to leave without buying, he quit going over the last plan.

Next car, I'm going to get a check from the Credit Union, walk into the dealer and  out with a new car in less than an hour or the whole deal is off!  There's no reason to keep you sitting there 3 hours!!!
It's just a ploy to wear you down so you'll sign anything to get going.

Most cars I've bought, I had to come home after and take 4 aspirin.   tickedoff

It's a damn shame it has to be that way.
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2010, 10:05:33 AM »

I have worked at big dealerships and owned a small one.  Everyone is on commission, even the finance mgr.  ALWAYS have your financing in order before going to a dealership, ususlly if the dealership can finance you, so can a local credit union.  ALWAYS deal from the OUT THE DOOR PRICE, not the price of the car.  Some dealers have as much as a 700.00 service and handling fee or doc fee, which is just profit for the dealership.  Salesmen are usually looking out for you, because they make nothing without a sale. Its the managers you have to look out for.
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2010, 10:09:08 AM »

the last brand new vehicle we bought was a '99 windstar.  i traded in my chrystler lebarron convertible for a minivan!! (damn kids!!).  we were at the ford dealer for 6 hours!!  THEY SCREWED UP!!  we got the 0% finance and the salesman also wrote in the $1500 cash back!!  i was getting to the point of just leaving after 5 hours and 45 minutes but i had to take advantage of their messup.

we're looking for a new vehicle again, after 11 years, it's time....  went to a dealer, (i like looking like a bumb when i do that sort of thing) he took down our name and number, guess he didn't think we could afford it!!  hasn't called back yet!!  
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2010, 10:11:50 AM »

I agree except for the GAP coverage, especially in a lease

Its supposed to be mandatory in ny now so when your leased car is totalled the loan will be paid off

One thing I have no problem with is having the loan paid off

I never have gone more than 39 months and given the choice would take 24 months
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« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2010, 10:31:15 AM »

The finance people are forced to offer you as many options as are available.  If they don’t, they get fired.  Plain and simple.  If you walk into a dealership you subject yourself to that abuse.  It’s their house and their rules.  Here in Arizona if you walk into many dealerships and act superior, or be an ass they show you the door.  The owner protects his employees even if it means loosing a sale.

As far as credit union or CostCo pricing.  These are usually for 5% over invoice.  That is no big deal but it will reduce the amount of haggling.  The dealer will sell every inventoried car for that amount and smile.  It’s when you buy at invoice or below that you can pat yourself on the back and know you got a “deal”.

As far as switching the percent of the loan during/after the deal is signed.  When a dealer quotes you a certain percentage it is based on what information you have provided and a preliminary credit check.  Some issues do not show up on this preliminary check especially if you have moved cross country.  When the credit company that is backing the loan does a final approval they may find something hidden like the fact that you co-signed for a loan and it bounced or some such so they are allowed by law to adjust the percentage to accomodate this new undisclosed responsibility.  Also remember that each time you go into a dealer and he runs your credit it adds points.  Do that enough and it will impact the credit rate you qualify for.

While I have never financed a vehicle, through my involvement with the auto business, I have worked through the process with numerous people.  Arizona is one of the worst places to work a deal and many of the dealers use very sophisticated methods of selling here.  If you walk a dealership and you need to buy a vehicle the salesman or finance people will know it by the “tells”.  If you don’t “need” to buy a car and he gets negative “tells” he will have his work cut out for him.
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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2010, 10:48:17 AM »

A straight out deal is the easiest.  Find the car that you want or close to it.  Find the true dealer cost (not as easy as it sounds since there's "kickbacks, etc). Have your OWN financing ready.

Go in and offer him a price with a profit that seems fair to you,  tell him no add ons, no dealer 'document fees', no anything or you will walk (and mean it).  No "Come meet my boss", or "Come meet our finance guy who will give you a better deal" or the worst "What will it take for me to put you in this car?".  (This one's easy).  Again, just once, offer him YOUR deal, no deal, WALK!

The key word here is Walk" if they try that crap!

If the new car is highly in demand, all bets are off, just bend over.  They will be in control!!



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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2010, 11:48:07 AM »

Bought my last 2 cars at Car Max. No jerking around, the price on the sticker is the price and 90% of the time that is below KBB. They offer extended warranties and such but if you don't want it ... no problem. I know they use Bank of America for one of their lenders, they have their own financing and a few other banks/lenders. They enter all your loan application information into the computer, bring up all the information for all the lenders so you can compare right there ... select one and about 30 minutes later you are on the road. If anyone asks me I always tell them Car Max .... you can even check the inventory on the internet.
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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2010, 01:41:04 PM »

A straight out deal is the easiest.  Find the car that you want or close to it.  Find the true dealer cost (not as easy as it sounds since there's "kickbacks, etc). Have your OWN financing ready.

Go in and offer him a price with a profit that seems fair to you,  tell him no add ons, no dealer 'document fees', no anything or you will walk (and mean it).  No "Come meet my boss", or "Come meet our finance guy who will give you a better deal" or the worst "What will it take for me to put you in this car?".  (This one's easy).  Again, just once, offer him YOUR deal, no deal, WALK!

The key word here is Walk" if they try that crap!

If the new car is highly in demand, all bets are off, just bend over.  They will be in control!!

Solo1, has the right numbers.  cooldude I spent 30 years in retailing Cars and Trucks. From  sales to a dealer and I know ALL THE ENDS AND OUTS of the car & truck Dealerships.
I will say this; all Dealerships are NOT CROOKS. I had a Dealer tell me once that I was too honest to be a Dealer. He out sold me two to one.  Undecided  The best thing I can offer to buyers is ; do your home work before you shop. Many Women are better shoppers than Men because they feel infereo ,SP, there fore they "DO HOMEWORK" And are loaded for bear when they come thru the front door. Evil




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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2010, 03:11:21 PM »

Wow Army. I hate to car shop. I got the truck I have now 11 years ago at Denny in Rolla. It was totally different than you described. I wonder if it is a change in management of just a sign of the times?
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2010, 03:32:43 PM »

When I divorced in Dec 06 I had 3 months to get a truck or pay her the diff. Gee judge thx.  tickedoff Traded in my 01 Z-71 for a 04 Z-71. It was more loaded then my 01 but no external extras like I already had. We made a deal and they were gonna take fender flares, bed liner, nerf bars, bug gaurd, and window vent shades and put it on my new 04. Suppose to get it the next afternoon. Well they call me after lunch.
'Sir, we sold your 01 before we could get all the stuff off.'
'Well call him back.'
'We tried and he said he wont return.'
'You gonna replace everything then?'
 'Yes we will get you knew stuff.'
 'Ok'
Glad I removed my K&N filter already.  Got a new bed liner but over the rail, unlike what I wanted. Nerf bars were great. Everything else up to par.
'Hey what about my fender flares?'
'Oh we forgot, we'll order them know.'
Month later I call.
'Oh we got them in but they were for a Colorado' -Yea right.
''Hey we are really busy can you call and order them and then we will reinburse you?'
'I guess'
I go order them but being wise to their crap I just get a reciept with the total.
'Hey there ordered'
'Ok, fax the reciept and we'll pay you.'
'K'.
Month later-
'Hey you you got my check'
'I'll go look' 'Not yet'
'K'  tickedoff
Call the owner. He knows nothing about it. So i explain the whole deal. He calls the guy in and we 3 are on speaker phone.
'Check is on the way'
The $&%^ers still shorted me $20.
I will never do bussiness with PERFERRED AUTO ON ILL RD in Ft Wayne Ind agian.
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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2010, 05:24:08 PM »

I hate car dealers.  I would rather be kicked repeatedly in the nuts with steel toe boots than go to a car dealer for anything.  I can know every trick of the trade, know what I will and won't pay, tell them to shove all the extras, pitches, security devices, warranties, read and understand every detail in the paperwork, and take control of the deal in every way, and it remains a bad experience from start to finish.

I have had one or two decent experience with dealer salesmen, but it was ruined by everyone else I had to deal with.  Lying, cheating, manipulating, condescending, scamming, as a way of life. 

I will buy one year old used cars from private people rather than new from a dealer every time. 
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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2010, 05:36:23 PM »

Before you buy, run the financing options (with rate and term) through a financing calculator online. It will give you the total cost you will pay over the life of the loan for comparison.

Also, I've had the same deal where they include all sorts of crap I have no iterest in buying in the financing break-down. The weasle behind the desk will push pretty hard for you to buy them since they're "in your best interest," but I flat out refuse. Screw them.
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« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2010, 06:31:51 AM »

Actually, I did apply through a local credit union before I went in there, and surprise, the rate was the exact same.

They where slick though... they never talk in terms of dollar amounts, but rather monthly cost. I ask
"How much does the Extended Warranty Cost?" They'd say "25 dollars a month." Sounds easy right?

This is the last vehicle I should need to buy for the next 10 years or so. I posted a few honest reviews online in the right spots...

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« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2010, 08:45:21 AM »

Like everything else, it is dangerous to lump everyone together.  So, maybe ALL car dealers aren't crooked, manipulative with no conscience...but many are.  I sold cars a thousand years ago, for a very short time.  It was an awful, soul sucking experience and I refused to play some of the games, that were business as usual at this particular dealership.  So I made no money and left after a handful of months.  However, I am so glad I saw a car dealership from "the inside". 

Because of that experience, I view car buying as an adversarial situation and I go into it expecting the worse.  I am sure the salesmen I have dealt with were glad when I drove out of the lot.  I have not bought a new car since '92.  It just doesn't make economical sense to me.  Cars last a long time these days and I can save big bucks by finding a low mileage vehicle that is a couple years old.  This has worked out very well for me.  Thanks to CarFax and other web research available, I can find out the reputation/reliability  of a certain model and where the particular car came from, how many owners it has had, was it a past rental/lease car, etc..
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« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2010, 10:29:42 AM »

I could write a Book on car buying and selling ! But who would read it ?? I have seen everything used in buying and selling motors. A lot of customers require to be lied to. A lot of customers lie to Dealerships, therfore promping Dealers to lie to them. I been offered, I can get %, they gave me $$ for my car,They would throw in this. I think you get the picture if are one on these. All have said these things knowing that this is not true, hoping that the "DUMB DEALER" will fall for thier lies and UP the offer. Therefore, the "DUMB DEALER" lies to tell the Customer what he wants to hear. Bottom line is; know what you want to spend and for how you want to pay for it and know your source. Or, you could e-mail me and I will save you a lot of $$$ for a fee.  Wink
BTW, I have been there, done that. Don`t get in a pissing contest with a Shunk.  Evil
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« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2010, 10:33:16 AM »

I could write a Book on car buying and selling ! But who would read it ?? I have seen everything used in buying and selling motors. A lot of customers require to be lied to. A lot of customers lie to Dealerships, therfore promping Dealers to lie to them. I been offered, I can get %, they gave me $$ for my car,They would throw in this. I think you get the picture if are one on these. All have said these things knowing that this is not true, hoping that the "DUMB DEALER" will fall for thier lies and UP the offer. Therefore, the "DUMB DEALER" lies to tell the Customer what he wants to hear. Bottom line is; know what you want to spend and for how you want to pay for it and know your source. Or, you could e-mail me and I will save you a lot of $$$ for a fee.  Wink

Don have no doubt that you know about as much as anyone when it comes to the car business....it would be money well spent!
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« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2010, 10:54:22 AM »

This last car I bought listed for 35k and change.It took 2 hrs but I got them to sell it to me at employee price,,,31k and change when everyone else was marking them up over list.........JB.
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« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2010, 10:54:49 AM »

Thanks Jim. I think you know that I am straight as a arrow to the point of being a bore. Embarrassed But  I tell it like I see it. I don`t mean to be a smart ass in the process.  Roll Eyes but so many folks are not up with things will that inhance their bottom line that they try to bluff their way to a "better" deal and wind up leaving money on the table.  Sad

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« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2010, 11:01:04 AM »

When I divorced in Dec 06 I had 3 months to get a truck or pay her the diff. Gee judge thx.  tickedoff Traded in my 01 Z-71 for a 04 Z-71. It was more loaded then my 01 but no external extras like I already had. We made a deal and they were gonna take fender flares, bed liner, nerf bars, bug gaurd, and window vent shades and put it on my new 04. Suppose to get it the next afternoon. Well they call me after lunch.
'Sir, we sold your 01 before we could get all the stuff off.'
'Well call him back.'
'We tried and he said he wont return.'
'You gonna replace everything then?'
 'Yes we will get you knew stuff.'
 'Ok'
Glad I removed my K&N filter already.  Got a new bed liner but over the rail, unlike what I wanted. Nerf bars were great. Everything else up to par.
'Hey what about my fender flares?'
'Oh we forgot, we'll order them know.'
Month later I call.
'Oh we got them in but they were for a Colorado' -Yea right.
''Hey we are really busy can you call and order them and then we will reinburse you?'
'I guess'
I go order them but being wise to their crap I just get a reciept with the total.
'Hey there ordered'
'Ok, fax the reciept and we'll pay you.'
'K'.
Month later-
'Hey you you got my check'
'I'll go look' 'Not yet'
'K'  tickedoff
Call the owner. He knows nothing about it. So i explain the whole deal. He calls the guy in and we 3 are on speaker phone.
'Check is on the way'
The $&%^ers still shorted me $20.
I will never do bussiness with PERFERRED AUTO ON ILL RD in Ft Wayne Ind agian.

I know what you mean Brian.  Some years ago I bought a new T100 at Evans Motors in Ft. Wayne. We struck a deal, everything on paper, the only thing lacking was an air conditioner which was to be installed.  "We'll order that and call you when it comes in, probably will take a couple weeks."  I said  "Nope, I still have my truck, I'm in no hurry, we'll close the deal when it's installed"   They about sh**!.  I drove home, this was on Friday.  I snuck back on Saturday morning and found that they were breaking their ass to install the AC,  funny that they got it in so fast.   Now it was on paper so I wouldn't have gotten screwed but if they would've had the money in hand, no tellin' how long they would've put it off.

I don't do business with them anymore.  They tried to sell me service that I didn't need but that's another story.
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« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2010, 11:11:59 AM »

I had to get a truck fast last year. Went to a small dealership and talked about what I saw on C/L.
Fair price, nice truck. Later I had a problem with the anti-lock sensor. I called him to ask what we can do. I had to buy the part, $450.00, but his guy put it in for $25.00. I.ve got nothing bad to say about HIM. Main new car dealers, PHOOOOEY.
I prefer cars with the wiper knob on the dash anyway.
Those, you know need work before you can drive em.
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Aot of guys with burn marks,gnarly scars and funny twitches ask why I spend so much on safety gear
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« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2010, 11:27:56 AM »

One last comment.
I did buy one car at a dealership that was relaxing.  The salesman was an older guy that was ready to give up selling.  I made an offer, it was accepted the first time around.  We shook hands and meant it.

He died about a year later.
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« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2010, 01:14:35 PM »

I could write a Book on car buying and selling ! But who would read it ?? I have seen everything used in buying and selling motors. A lot of customers require to be lied to. A lot of customers lie to Dealerships, therfore promping Dealers to lie to them. I been offered, I can get %, they gave me $$ for my car,They would throw in this. I think you get the picture if are one on these. All have said these things knowing that this is not true, hoping that the "DUMB DEALER" will fall for thier lies and UP the offer. Therefore, the "DUMB DEALER" lies to tell the Customer what he wants to hear. Bottom line is; know what you want to spend and for how you want to pay for it and know your source. Or, you could e-mail me and I will save you a lot of $$$ for a fee.  Wink
BTW, I have been there, done that. Don`t get in a pissing contest with a Shunk.  Evil
I have made a lot of $$$$$$ in the Car / Truck selling the right way and I sleep fine.
Ditto.....Some customers wouldn't think of selling an individual a car with a bad transmission but they would trade it and never mention it, justifing it with --because the "Dealer" has got plenty of money and they fix that stuff themselves for next to nothing. I'm an independent dealer and try to treat everyone the same. You ride it, drive it, even take it to your mechanic and that way you know exactly what your getting because its a used car with NO warranty.
Have people that know I have done this a long time come in and ask my opinion of whether or not they are getting a "good deal" on a new car or a used car somewhere else. So, I'm with you Spirited-6 on charging a fee. Smiley
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« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2010, 01:47:21 PM »

I bought the last 3 cars from the same guy.  The Manager for the dealership.  No bullshit.  We fought a little the 1st time, but when I came back, he KNEW I was a buyer, and he KNEW I'd let him make some money on me, as long as it was reasonable.

I traded a 2005 Ford Excursion on a 2004 Suburban.  The Burb had more miles and  ALOT more options.  I simply told him that I think the Burb is worth $200 more than my Expedition.  If you want to argue that point, show me in ANY book you want, but the SAME book, what they are worth... He agreed that $200 was fair. and asked what was a fair profit on a $20000 investment.  I said 10%.  So he said... you'll give me the Ford +$2200 for the Chevy.  I replied yep.  We did the deal.

I bought my Dodge Magnum from him too.  They were asking $25,800 for it.  I gave them $17,600.  It took a LONG time to get that one done.  He kept saying he had more than that IN it.  I kept telling him that him having too much in it was NOT my problem.  It's only WORTH $17,600.  I also found out it had been on their lot for 8 months.  What pushed him over the edge was me telling him to sell me the Magnum, and make some room for something he could make some $$ on.  Plus I had my check book with me.

He doesn't work there any more... so next time, I'll have to start over.

Jabba
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« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2010, 05:16:45 PM »

     I have no real sympathy for car dealerships, as I have had my share of bad experiences, mainly with service departments, HOWEVER, I do lament the problems they have been having and the effect it is having on me. The biggest change I have seen in my town of 35,000 is choice and selection. Until the new Camaro came out about the only thing you could find on the Chevy lot was a truck. Our biggest single dealer was a Dodge, Chrysler, Honda, Pontiac, Cadillac dealer. We all know where Pontiac went, they lost the Cadillac franchise,  and for most of the last year and a half you could have played football on their lot and never hit a Dodge. Ford and Lincoln dealership about the same. Toyota and Nissan seems to have better inventory selection and turnover.
     If I'm going to spend 20K plus I want more than one color of one model to choose from. I know I can go to a larger city for all that but I do miss the "old" days. I also tried selling cars once for a living and it was the most frustrating work environment I have ever been exposed to.
     We need to remember that we can't buy that low mileage previously owned creampuff until somebody else has bent over at the dealership!
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« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2010, 06:03:50 PM »

   
     We need to remember that we can't buy that low mileage previously owned creampuff until somebody else has bent over at the dealership!


And THAT, is the truth. I figure, for me to get that car at what I paid for it, the person who traded it in must have taken an ass kicking on trade. Last time I traded in a car (few years ago) they gave me KBB private party value (not trade in). I paid less than that for this car.

I agree, low mileage cars are the way to go. I'll never buy another brand new car, I'm happy to drive somethin with 30k on it.
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Jabba
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« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2010, 04:26:34 AM »


I agree, low mileage cars are the way to go. I'll never buy another brand new car, I'm happy to drive somethin with 30k on it.

That's me right there.  I let someone else take the bath, and I soak in the aftermath.

I have had my Magnum for 27 months now... and it STILL only has 57K on it.

Jabba
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solo1
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« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2010, 04:35:42 AM »

I bought my Miata used in the month of February. Carfaxed it and saw all maintenance records.  Worked out well.

I bought my Highlander used too. Carfax and a complete check.  It's worked out well too.

I bought the Nighthawk used. Also worked out well.

All three low mileage.  All three are paid for.  cooldude cooldude cooldude
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