? WTF

[Bobbo]

There is a difference between teaching that something exists and going into detail about it.

What makes this funny is that the father went into much more detail than was necessary and he obviously didn't understand the question in the first place.

Young Kids don't need or want all of the details on a subject, usually a very simplistic answer will do.
 

I agree that the details are unnecessary, and would confuse children.  I doubt that the curriculum involves intimate details, and I would disagree with it if it did.

Here’s a joke related to my earlier post:

Little 6 year old Johnny has a new baby brother.  He asks his father where babies come from.  The father, not knowing what to say, replies, “The stork brought him”.  Little Johnny gets a quizzical look on his face and asks “OK, so who F***ED the stork?”!

[Bobbo]

What I said earlier was that homosexuality is either a choice or genetic misprogramming it can't be both. I still stand behind that statement. I didn't say which one I think that it is.

The term “misprogramming” implies abnormal, since the prefix “mis” means wrong.  I might agree if it were stated as “genetic programming”.

I don’t know the cause of it either, but I’ve never heard of anyone saying that they chose their sexual preference.

Since a 60 year old man can get an 11 year old girl pregnant, is that considered “natural” by the Jerry standard you have accepted?

What a way to comepletely go off the rails here.... 

Sometimes you need an extreme, but valid example to make a point.

[Jeff K]

I don’t know the cause of it either, but I’ve never heard of anyone saying that they chose their sexual preference.

I don't know about that, peer pressure is quite a force. My kids told me that when the were in high school it was "trendy" to be lesbian. I said the same thing, that you couldn't choose to be lesbian, but they assured me I was wrong. On that same note, I doubt that all the sexuality "changes" that happen in prison are not genetic.
 

[3fan4life]

The term “misprogramming” implies abnormal, since the prefix “mis” means wrong.  I might agree if it were stated as “genetic programming”.

Since the "purpose" of sex in nature is to ensure the continuation of the species then any sexual relationship that has no chance of achieving this could be considered unnatural.

Humans do have sex for many reasons other than pro creation..... the argument about what is moral or immoral about that is not one that I am going to have here.

The oppinions and the possibilities are literally endless.

I don’t know the cause of it either, but I’ve never heard of anyone saying that they chose their sexual preference.

I have heard some say that homosexuality is a choice.

I have heard others say that they can't help it that they were born that way.

I'm not sure which one is correct either, all that I know for sure is that it can't be both.

Sometimes you need an extreme, but valid example to make a point.

Not only extreme but highly illegal in all 50 states and in most nations around the world.

Tell the truth is your problem with the statement or with the source?

[3fan4life]

I don't know about that, peer pressure is quite a force. My kids told me that when the were in high school it was "trendy" to be lesbian. I said the same thing, that you couldn't choose to be lesbian, but they assured me I was wrong. On that same note, I doubt that all the sexuality "changes" that happen in prison are not genetic. 

This is EXACTLY Part of my point.

Peer pressure especially among teenage girls is a very powerful thing.....

And being taught from the time that they begin school that SAME SEX relationships are NORMAL makes them much more likely to "EXPERIMENT".

Just because some people have had homosexual relationships throughout history doesn't mean that they are "NORMAL".

Again, whatever consenting adults choose to do in their bedroom is their business.

But the question remains should our schools be teaching 6 and 7 yr olds that it is OK for them to be GAY?

[Bobbo]

I don’t know the cause of it either, but I’ve never heard of anyone saying that they chose their sexual preference.

I don't know about that, peer pressure is quite a force. My kids told me that when the were in high school it was "trendy" to be lesbian. I said the same thing, that you couldn't choose to be lesbian, but they assured me I was wrong. On that same note, I doubt that all the sexuality "changes" that happen in prison are not genetic.
 

Oh, I’m sure you can be coerced into any behavior.  Just like 3fan4life said, his father was forced to use his right hand.  I am right handed, and could use my left hand to write and do other things, but I’m still right handed.  If I was an insecure kid and thought it was trendy to be left handed, I might do that.

There is a difference between homosexuality and the act of sex between same sex people.  Ancient Greeks and others considered sex acts between men acts of power and privilege.  I doubt they were all homosexual.

[3fan4life]

There is a difference between homosexuality and the act of sex between same sex people.

A thin line indeed............. 

The curious thing is that I bet you would find more homosexuals that disagreed with this statement than agreed with it.

[valkMJ]

But the question remains should our schools be teaching 6 and 7 yr olds that it is OK for them to be GAY?

That's a tough one.  I think what they should really be teaching is tolerance of people who are gay.  If little Billy has two daddys, I think it's fair that the other children learn that it's okay.

Whether or not you think it's okay to be homosexual, you should at least agree that people deserve to live their lives the way they choose.  (Yeah, I realize I'm going to bring down the firestorm with that remark.)   

[Chrisj CMA]

But the question remains should our schools be teaching 6 and 7 yr olds that it is OK for them to be GAY?

That's a tough one.  I think what they should really be teaching is tolerance of people who are gay.  If little Billy has two daddys, I think it's fair that the other children learn that it's okay.

Whether or not you think it's okay to be homosexual, you should at least agree that people deserve to live their lives the way they choose.  (Yeah, I realize I'm going to bring down the firestorm with that remark.)   

As long as kids dont get chastised for (if) they believe homosexualtiy is wrong.  Yes, they still need to be taught to accept someone elses reality, but they need to be allowed to believe its wrong if thats what they believe.

[Bobbo]

There is a difference between homosexuality and the act of sex between same sex people.

A thin line indeed............. 

The curious thing is that I bet you would find more homosexuals that disagreed with this statement than agreed with it.

Not a thin line.  The romantic relationship is also included.

Maybe you should start a poll or ask your homosexual friends this question.

[3fan4life]

That's a tough one.  I think what they should really be teaching is tolerance of people who are gay.  If little Billy has two daddys, I think it's fair that the other children learn that it's okay.

Tolerance and Acceptance are two different things.

It comes down to "Hate the Sin but Love the Sinner". (which is another topic that 6 and 7 yr olds probably aren't mature enough to understand).

Wouldn't it be easier to just teach kids that it isn't right to ridicule each other period?

Whether or not you think it's okay to be homosexual, you should at least agree that people deserve to live their lives the way they choose.  (Yeah, I realize I'm going to bring down the firestorm with that remark.)   

No FIRESTORM from me............

People have a right to do whatever they please in the privacy of their bedrooms.

That doesn't mean however that 6 and 7 yr old kids should be taught that it's OK if they are Gay.

Beyond a curiosity of what the difference is between boys and girls children of this age aren't sexual beings yet. And I think that it's wrong to attempt to sexualize them in any way.

 

[Bobbo]

As long as kids dont get chastised for (if) they believe homosexualtiy is wrong.  Yes, they still need to be taught to accept someone elses reality, but they need to be allowed to believe its wrong if thats what they believe.

I agree that kids should never be chastised for their beliefs.  When they act out on them, it is a different story. 

[3fan4life]

Maybe you should start a poll 

No poll is necessary........... after all an oppinion poll is still just a compilation of oppinions.

or ask your homosexual friends this question.

I sense a little sarcasm here........ it may surprise you to learn that I do have friends / coworkers that are homosexual.

Some of which I have heard make ugly remarks towards people that they thought were just "experimenting". 

[Stanley Steamer]

Maybe you should start a poll 

No poll is necessary........... after all an oppinion poll is still just a compilation of oppinions.

or ask your homosexual friends this question.

I sense a little sarcasm here........ it may surprise you to learn that I do have friends / coworkers that are homosexual.

Some of which I have heard make ugly remarks towards people that they thought were just "experimenting". 

I'm not experimenting....I've been a lesbian for at least 25 years!!....

[Bobbo]

That doesn't mean however that 6 and 7 yr old kids should be taught that it's OK if they are Gay.

Beyond a curiosity of what the difference is between boys and girls children of this age aren't sexual beings yet. And I think that it's wrong to attempt to sexualize them in any way.

 

From what I have read, the curriculum is to teach awareness of homosexuality, not to teach sex acts to kids.  Kids might see the example of Billy’s two Mommies or Daddies, and wonder what’s going on.  The most obvious reason to teach kids this is to avoid ridicule from unaware kids.

If you research the history of religious beliefs (mostly modern Christianity) and homosexuality, you will see that it resulted in quite a few suicides and murders.

[Bobbo]

I sense a little sarcasm here........ it may surprise you to learn that I do have friends / coworkers that are homosexual.

Some of which I have heard make ugly remarks towards people that they thought were just "experimenting". 

No sarcasm.  I would be surprised if you DIDN’T know any homosexuals!

[3fan4life]

I'm not experimenting....I've been a lesbian for at least 25 years!!....

  +1 

I am definately a Lesbian Trapped in a Man's body 

[Chrisj CMA]

That doesn't mean however that 6 and 7 yr old kids should be taught that it's OK if they are Gay.

Beyond a curiosity of what the difference is between boys and girls children of this age aren't sexual beings yet. And I think that it's wrong to attempt to sexualize them in any way.

 

From what I have read, the curriculum is to teach awareness of homosexuality, not to teach sex acts to kids.  Kids might see the example of Billy’s two Mommies or Daddies, and wonder what’s going on.  The most obvious reason to teach kids this is to avoid ridicule from unaware kids.

If you research the history of religious beliefs (mostly modern Christianity) and homosexuality, you will see that it resulted in quite a few suicides and murders.

Bobbo it seems to me you missed the entire point from the beginning.  Yes historicaly what you say is what my understanding of what they were teaching in school is also.  This whole thread started because of the school board that decided to go WAY beyond what you are saying and teach sexual positions, ultra specific anatomy and things the newscasters were embarrassed to talk about on night news much less think bout telling young children.

[3fan4life]

 The most obvious reason to teach kids this is to avoid ridicule from unaware kids.

Agreed, but wouldn't it make more sense just to teach kids that ridculing others for any reason is wrong?

If you research the history of religious beliefs (mostly modern Christianity) and homosexuality, you will see that it resulted in quite a few suicides and murders.

I have puposely stayed away from the religious aspect.

Because, the point here isn't whether homosexuality is right or wrong, it's whether it's ok to teach young children about it.

And for the record I would be against any curriculum that teaches young children anything about sexual relationships.

It is unclear from the article exactly what the curriculum proposes to teach them, but since it proposes to teach 5th graders (10 and 11 yr olds) about  sexual positions, I would be fearful of how much information it also intended to pass along to the 6 and 7 yr olds.

[fstsix]

This topic will go on forever, here is something that stuck in my heart to this day, first i have lost 1 cousin from Aids and my old best friend from Aids 25 years ago, and God loves the Homosexual but hates the Sin. When my Daughter was about 12 she came down the stairs one morning crying? my wife and i asked what was wrong? She said i had a dream i was going to have a Baby brother "we only had her" no siblings,..My wife a Cancer survivor could never have a child again (so we thought) we comforted her and what could we say? within 90 days i got a phone call from a relative and said, I am working for a young Doctor and this teenage Girl came in his office for a exam and she was pregnant, She knew we had the desire to adopt,, so we went up north and met her at a coffee shop on a first name basis, She talked more to my daughter about what she had, her private school and so on, We asked why she did not want to try to raise this child herself, as her mother was not going to want to go for giving her Grandbaby up so easy. She said I want this Child to Have A Mother and a Father.....that she came from a broken family...22 years later and i still here Her words.

[Bobbo]

And for the record I would be against any curriculum that teaches young children anything about sexual relationships.

It is unclear from the article exactly what the curriculum proposes to teach them, but since it proposes to teach 5th graders (10 and 11 yr olds) about  sexual positions, I would be fearful of how much information it also intended to pass along to the 6 and 7 yr olds.

The article says the proposed curriculum teaches 5th graders that there are different acts that constitute sexual intercourse.  This is probably consistent with the curriculum teaching about STD’s.  Since some kids are having sexual relationships as young as 11, it sounds like they want to inform them of dangers they didn’t realize.

[asfltdncr]

Life's experience.  In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate.  None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn.  Well, it made sense when he married another man.
Maybe, he might be like BOB who sat by himself and everyone called him a book worm,etc.  Turns out he was also gay.
It may have been cool to "act" like lesbians as one of the members spoke about, but the fact is, you're born with a preference to men or you have a preference for women (don't know about bi's).  It is not a choice.
Sin--B.S.
It seems that incest is exceptable in the bible-no sin?- and that is a choice.
Not knowing exactly what the curriculem is or was, it would be hard to condemn.  Leave it to the parents----I don't think so until they grow up and take responsibility for themselves.
I live in an area that is very religious and I have never seen more babies having babies (and I migrated from SoCal).  The teaching of abstinance and no birth control statistically shows higher pregnancy rates as well as the passing of STD's because they don't obstain and don't use protection and don't learn &%#$ at home or at school where sex education is being dictated by the religious conservative right. 
Choice-who the #&^% would choose to be homosexual where most of this country doesn't accept you and you are descriminated against almost everywhere you go.  I would imagine being gay is not for the weak.

[fstsix]

Life's experience.  In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate.  None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn.   asfltdancer...This is one of the most again hateful post that i have seen again from you! Tell us? what and when did you realize you where wrong for beating the $hit out of this kid ? And why would anybody on this Board not confront you for your Ignorance regarding something so Violent from your past.....

[asfltdncr]

Life's experience.  In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate.  None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn.   asfltdancer...This is one of the most again hateful post that i have seen again from you! Tell us? what and when did you realize you where wrong for beating the $hit out of this kid ? And why would anybody on this Board not confront you for your Ignorance regarding something so Violent from your past.....

Well Mr. Six , did you not fight and pick on someone when you were young--don't lie Christian?
As for confrontation, bring it on.  You told me you like a good argument.
I don't think you are taking into consideration the era-but then again you probably didn't think that far before responding.
By the way Mr. Six, I'm proud of you for formulating a thought and conveying it in your own words rather than the long-winded copy/paste junk you usually come up with that also makes no sense.

[fstsix]

Life's experience.  In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate.  None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn.   asfltdancer...This is one of the most again hateful post that i have seen again from you! Tell us? what and when did you realize you where wrong for beating the $hit out of this kid ? And why would anybody on this Board not confront you for your Ignorance regarding something so Violent from your past.....

Well Mr. Six , did you not fight and pick on someone when you were young--don't lie Christian?
As for confrontation, bring it on.  You told me you like a good argument.
I don't think you are taking into consideration the era-but then again you probably didn't think that far before responding.
By the way Mr. Six, I'm proud of you for formulating a thought and conveying it in your own words rather than the long-winded copy/paste junk you usually come up with that also makes no sense.

Still waiting for your answer?

[Psychotic Bovine]

Life's experience.  In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate.  None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn.   asfltdancer...This is one of the most again hateful post that i have seen again from you! Tell us? what and when did you realize you where wrong for beating the $hit out of this kid ? And why would anybody on this Board not confront you for your Ignorance regarding something so Violent from your past.....

Well Mr. Six , did you not fight and pick on someone when you were young--don't lie Christian?
As for confrontation, bring it on.  You told me you like a good argument.
I don't think you are taking into consideration the era-but then again you probably didn't think that far before responding.
By the way Mr. Six, I'm proud of you for formulating a thought and conveying it in your own words rather than the long-winded copy/paste junk you usually come up with that also makes no sense.

I was harassed through grade school and high school.  No reason for it as far as I could tell. I was always quiet and non controntational in school (that was probably it).  From my understanding, bullies don't really need a reason.  And they seldom change later in life.  Most remain bullies to the very end. 

As far as homosexuality being a choice, I really don't know.  But, the same argument could be made for pedophilia, too.  If you want to read something, look up NAMBLA.  They make a lot of the same arguments that the gay community has made.
Ok, I can see the whole idea of "between consenting adults", so where do we draw the line.  As far as I can tell, polygamy is between consenting adults.  It's legal in some countries.... why not here?
Isn't that a case of people passing on their biases toward others who might see things different?

[RoadKill]

I was the poor kid in school,dressed in hand-me downs and always getting picked on. I was also the Big kid on the playground,looking down at the top's of the bullies heads. Stomping the 4th grade bullies just led to having to knock the crap out of their 6th or 8th grade brothers or cousins and one time I kicked a dad in the nards and ran like hell!  As an Army brat schools changed but the bullies never did. I stood up for any other student getting bullied as well...and that caused problems of it's own. As I got older other students got bigger and I was not the big kid any more.  The last school fight I was involved in the bully out weighed me by 100lbs and neither one of us had an oz of fat. He was pushing around a dork I wouldnt even talk to because he wasn't smart enough for conversation. When I asked why he did that all he could say was " Look at him,What a fag " ! I got 3 days off from school that time but the bully had to explain to his brother/guardian/local COP why I should pay for the stitches and not him! I still talk with his brother and the wife works with him but I dont think his (not so little) brother bullied any one else while I was in that school.

If no one ever stands up for what's right.......what we have today is what you get for it!!   

[asfltdncr]

Life's experience.  In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate.  None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn.   asfltdancer...This is one of the most again hateful post that i have seen again from you! Tell us? what and when did you realize you where wrong for beating the $hit out of this kid ? And why would anybody on this Board not confront you for your Ignorance regarding something so Violent from your past.....

Well Mr. Six , did you not fight and pick on someone when you were young--don't lie Christian?
As for confrontation, bring it on.  You told me you like a good argument.
I don't think you are taking into consideration the era-but then again you probably didn't think that far before responding.
By the way Mr. Six, I'm proud of you for formulating a thought and conveying it in your own words rather than the long-winded copy/paste junk you usually come up with that also makes no sense.

Still waiting for your answer?

When I went to my junior high at 11 years old.  Your turn angel.

[fstsix]

Life's experience.  In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate.  None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn.   asfltdancer...This is one of the most again hateful post that i have seen again from you! Tell us? what and when did you realize you where wrong for beating the $hit out of this kid ? And why would anybody on this Board not confront you for your Ignorance regarding something so Violent from your past.....

Well Mr. Six , did you not fight and pick on someone when you were young--don't lie Christian?
As for confrontation, bring it on.  You told me you like a good argument.
I don't think you are taking into consideration the era-but then again you probably didn't think that far before responding.
By the way Mr. Six, I'm proud of you for formulating a thought and conveying it in your own words rather than the long-winded copy/paste junk you usually come up with that also makes no sense.

Still waiting for your answer?

When I went to my junior high at 11 years old.  Your turn angel.

Why?

[RoadKill]

Life's experience.  In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate.  None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn.   asfltdancer...This is one of the most again hateful post that i have seen again from you! Tell us? what and when did you realize you where wrong for beating the $hit out of this kid ? And why would anybody on this Board not confront you for your Ignorance regarding something so Violent from your past.....

Well Mr. Six , did you not fight and pick on someone when you were young--don't lie Christian?
As for confrontation, bring it on.  You told me you like a good argument.
I don't think you are taking into consideration the era-but then again you probably didn't think that far before responding.
By the way Mr. Six, I'm proud of you for formulating a thought and conveying it in your own words rather than the long-winded copy/paste junk you usually come up with that also makes no sense.

Still waiting for your answer?

When I went to my junior high at 11 years old.  Your turn angel.

I'm actually more interested in WHAT convinced you it was wrong. Pier pressure? A teachers lasting words? end up on other side of the fence?... ???  Either way  

[Bobbo]

As far as I can tell, polygamy is between consenting adults.  It's legal in some countries.... why not here?

I think some states (Utah is one of them) allowed polygamy for a while.  Even if it was allowed, I couldn’t handle more wives!  I can barely handle the one I have!!   

[Stanley Steamer]

As far as I can tell, polygamy is between consenting adults.  It's legal in some countries.... why not here?

I think some states (Utah is one of them) allowed polygamy for a while.  Even if it was allowed, I couldn’t handle more wives!  I can barely handle the one I have!!   

6 is my limit.....

[RoadKill]

As far as I can tell, polygamy is between consenting adults.  It's legal in some countries.... why not here?

I think some states (Utah is one of them) allowed polygamy for a while.  Even if it was allowed, I couldn’t handle more wives!  I can barely handle the one I have!!   

              Most women have a 3/4  Stanley Steamer limit ! 
6 is my limit.....

[asfltdncr]

Life's experience.  In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate.  None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn.   asfltdancer...This is one of the most again hateful post that i have seen again from you! Tell us? what and when did you realize you where wrong for beating the $hit out of this kid ? And why would anybody on this Board not confront you for your Ignorance regarding something so Violent from your past.....

Well Mr. Six , did you not fight and pick on someone when you were young--don't lie Christian?
As for confrontation, bring it on.  You told me you like a good argument.
I don't think you are taking into consideration the era-but then again you probably didn't think that far before responding.
By the way Mr. Six, I'm proud of you for formulating a thought and conveying it in your own words rather than the long-winded copy/paste junk you usually come up with that also makes no sense.

Still waiting for your answer?

When I went to my junior high at 11 years old.  Your turn angel.

I'm actually more interested in WHAT convinced you it was wrong. Pier pressure? A teachers lasting words? end up on other side of the fence?... ???  Either way  

UNDERSTANDING.

[asfltdncr]

Life's experience.  In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate.  None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn.   asfltdancer...This is one of the most again hateful post that i have seen again from you! Tell us? what and when did you realize you where wrong for beating the $hit out of this kid ? And why would anybody on this Board not confront you for your Ignorance regarding something so Violent from your past.....

Lighten up-I was a child and was most likely a follower-you know, don't ya?
The posting was in support of educating the children about homosexuality, race diversity, and yes, even that dirty subject of sex.  It will not help to hide children's head in the sand.

[Billy]

asfltdncr, I have heard your confession of your past transgressions and your acknowledgement of those errors of your past. As the good Book tells us about he that is without sin cast the first stone. I for one am proud to forgive you and knowing that people of your caliber hold the same handbars that I do that's attached to the best motorcycle in the world. 

[czuch]

I came here to read and converse about Valkyries.

[3fan4life]

WOW this thread just may go on forever.

Seems that the topic plucks more than one nerve in alot of different people.

And the number of different directions that it has taken is surprising.

My take on the original post is that the person who posted it disagrees with the age that the schoolboard is trying to begin teaching Sex Education.....

that would be 1st Graders who are on average 6-7 yrs old.

I would heave to say that I also agree that is TOO YOUNG.

Am I right ? ................. I think so.
Am I wrong ? .................... apparently some think so.

Am I going to lose sleep about it ? ............. No.

What really upsets me is that Steamer thinks he could handle SIX wives.

THAT's JUST WRONG!!       

[Stanley Steamer]

WOW this thread just may go on forever.

Seems that the topic plucks more than one nerve in alot of different people.

And the number of different directions that it has taken is surprising.

My take on the original post is that the person who posted it disagrees with the age that the schoolboard is trying to begin teaching Sex Education.....

that would be 1st Graders who are on average 6-7 yrs old.

I would heave to say that I also agree that is TOO YOUNG.

Am I right ? ................. I think so.
Am I wrong ? .................... apparently some think so.

Am I going to lose sleep about it ? ............. No.

What really upsets me is that Steamer thinks he could handle SIX wives.

THAT's JUST WRONG!!       

After careful consideration.....I have to modify that to 4 women.....as long as each of their "week"s don't fall at the same time........

[Bobbo]

After careful consideration.....I have to modify that to 4 women.....as long as each of their "week"s don't fall at the same time........

If that's your only concern, you could make due with only 2!