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Author Topic: Left rear bearing modifacation. how may of you have done this?  (Read 2066 times)
gregk
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« on: July 22, 2010, 08:42:36 PM »

How many of you feel the car tire is the blame to early rear left wheel bearing failure ?  How many of you have done the modifacation installing the right bearing on the left side, and if so how long has it lasted ?
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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2010, 09:07:45 PM »

My bearings went around 18k... Never had a CT on the bike. I think it may have been an over-tightened axle by a dealer that repaired my u-joints that stranded me in MS... only a theory
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2010, 10:27:56 PM »

Greg, I don't think anyone has kept stats on m/c tire vs c/t when it comes to left rear wheel bearings failing.  I've got about 8,500 miles on my Double Row Wheel Bearing Mod.  No problems so far.  In 1500 miles, I will be tearing my Tourer down for 50K mile service.  I'll be posting pics of the left bearing then.

B, you're left bearing was either faulty from the beginning or improperly installed.

Marty

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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2010, 05:48:30 AM »

I have done the mod on my two bikes.  Peace of mind.  Never had a failure.

CT will have nothing to do with failure.

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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2010, 07:27:37 AM »

Hey Greg

  How goes the repairs? You still able to head back to your daughters to get the bike back together to ride it back home?
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2010, 08:22:13 AM »

I didn't have a rear bearing fail, I just didn't like the looks of that skinny little bearing so I installed a fat one.. This was done to the hot bike at least 10 years ago and since I no longer own it I don't know anything about it, but, I have not heard anything so I'm assuming everything is still OK.. When I get around to pulling the wheel of this bike, I'll put a fat bearing in it also.. I think bearing failures can be attributed to both installation procedure and the bearing itself.. Timken had a big problem with dry bearings leaving the factory[not just with our bearings], but, they stood up to the plate along with the vehicle manufacturers and resolved the problems..
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2010, 08:24:31 AM »

X ring - doesn't really matter now ... I did manage to limp in to Kingman AZ & get parts overnighted...but I did ask the mechanic who replaced the u joints to fully Ck the rearend because I was traveling out west. 1500 miles later I was brokedown again. I called the dealer & accused them of overlooking the problem or overtightening the axle, neither of which I could prove.  Sad
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2010, 08:37:41 AM »

How many of you feel the car tire is the blame to early rear left wheel bearing failure ?  How many of you have done the modifacation installing the right bearing on the left side, and if so how long has it lasted ?

140,000 miles. Most if it on car tire. Original bearings.
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2010, 11:55:23 AM »

X ring - doesn't really matter now ... I did manage to limp in to Kingman AZ & get parts overnighted...but I did ask the mechanic who replaced the u joints to fully Ck the rearend because I was traveling out west. 1500 miles later I was brokedown again. I called the dealer & accused them of overlooking the problem or overtightening the axle, neither of which I could prove.  Sad

There really isn't such a thing as over-tightening the rear axle. There is nothing on the axle that is compressible. 

You didn't post what the breakdown involved, so maybe you're pulling the trigger too fast.

And lastly, asking for the service to look at something, like the rear end, would involve what???? I mean if you had received an addition bill for a couple hundred dollar for rear end inspection, would you have paid it ????

I mean to do what you probably wanted is such a broad request,,, it seems you were simply suggesting they warranty the whole rear end when all they did is replace the u-joint.

How you state, and what you feel isn't fair to Honda or the Honda dealers. I don't blame you because there is a general feeling on the whole forum about Honda and the Honda dealers.

I mean the attitudes expressed such as calling the Honda dealers "stealers"  is the same as the names that some call E-Bay.  Just the same attitude regarding the Honda mechanics and the besmirching of their reputations.

What we all need to do is recognize they (we) are all human and can make mistakes. It's human nature and if we were to give a little less criticism and allow a lot more patience we would all benefit.

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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2010, 04:47:21 PM »

The first break (MISSOURI) was u joint failure. The second breakdown (ARIZONA) was a rear bearing failure that went so bad it woreout the tire and caused stress to the hub.
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2010, 07:18:13 PM »

 Heddin out 200m to Oshkosh in the morning to bring my baby home. I made repairs at home using daughters car for transport. All seems good, stoped before major damage done. Left bearing is all. No time to do the mod to the bearing, to much haste and insufficent input and want to hear from more people so lets please keep to the  original post.
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2010, 07:45:16 PM »

I lost my original left rear bearing in bumfok WVa a few months ago on my 32K '99 IS, and was lucky to find a shop that had the OE left skinny bearing, so that was installed.  I have a double row right and cut down collar spacer to go in the left rear the next time I need a tire or service the final drive (whether the skinny left fails or not).

I lost my Ujoint in my other 52K '99 IS six weeks ago, and replaced the left rear skinny bearing with the double row right and cut down spacer when I replaced the Ujoint (though the bearing looked OK, I replaced it anyway).  It is working fine. 

I highly recommend this modification.  I beleive left rear skinny bearings are failing at a higher rate than any other wheel bearings front or rear, and whether original or replacement.

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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2010, 08:15:12 PM »

Greg, if you haven't read my Tech Article here's the link:  http://www.valkyrieriders.com/shoptalk/5204_bearing_mod.pdf.  Listen to members like Patrick and MP, they performed this mod long before I did.  In fact, MP is one of the members who gave me advice before I performed the mod and wrote the tech article.

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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2010, 09:37:36 PM »

Marty, I had read your tech article & not trying to cut on your tech article as you did a good job writing it up. Not trying to P you off, but without the proof that this is a long term fix as MP stated that cycle he done the mod on is gone, It would be nice to know the whereabouts of that bike and how that bearing had or is holding up. I'm in belief that it is the width of the car tire that is destroying the left bearing or was it just that the bearing was junk? If it is the car tire causing the failures lets see some honest milage reports so we are not wasting our time doing these mods. If we get some good reports I'll be right on the band wagon to Install one on the next tire change.
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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2010, 01:53:41 AM »

Greg, there are lot more Valks running around on m/c tires than car tires.  The left rear wheel bearing failing is NOT limited to those on car tires.  It is a common occurance.  By the way, It was Patrick not MP that had the Hot Valk.  Would you agree Boss Hoss motorcycles have a LOT more horsepower and torque than our Valks?  They have a similar wheel bearing arrangement.  LaMonster has been converting them to a double row bearing also.  In fact, I was told he was one of the first proponents of this on Valks.  If you do research on bearings, you'll find the 3204/5204-2RS has higher ratings for static and angular loads than the 6204-2RS.

Marty

P.S.  You're not ticking me off.  How else do we learn than challenge each other.   cooldude   
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« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2010, 05:08:52 AM »

+1, I have both my valks done, and still have them.  The double row is such a stronger bearing. 

Have you EVER heard anyone post here:  My RIGHT bearing failed, but my left was still good?  I have not.

I believe I have heard one post that their right bearing failed.  For about $50, put the big bearing in at your next wheel change.

When the axle is tight, the load difference between a CT and a MC would be almost nothing.  I have been with two valks this year, where the left bearing failed.  Both have had MC tires on all their life.

If Mother Honda had put the double row bearing in the left, there would probably been like a TOTAL of 10 failures in the entire club since the beginning.

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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2010, 05:54:32 AM »

58k on my oem originals. 2 yr with car tire. If the bearing goes I will relate it to wear and tear, not which tire I have. It will go no matter what.
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« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2010, 05:59:19 AM »

How many of you feel the car tire is the blame to early rear left wheel bearing failure ?  How many of you have done the modifacation installing the right bearing on the left side, and if so how long has it lasted ?

What has the CT got to do with this bearing failure???

MC tire has the same effect.  It makes  the bearing go around, so does the CT.
Neither one of them puts any more or less pressure on the bearing...   The bearing is just too small to start with, like the 97 front wheels, bearing was changed in 98.
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« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2010, 09:24:17 AM »

I think that the majority of wheel bearing failure, which by the way is not as common as some would have you believe, can be laid at the operation of the pressure washer by the user.

I also feel that there are more repeat bearing failures than original (1st time) bearing failures. This would seem to be a result of many things though mainly assembly error.

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