If you're suprised, please raise your hand...

[FLAVALK]

I'm not.... 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100814/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_ground_zero_mosque_obama

[Stanley Steamer]

Nope....I was going to post this earlier.....but knew someone would.....All Hail Nobama!...

[Sludge]

While I strongly disagree with the building of the mosque, and were I the president I would not endorse the building of it. 

We have to realize that under our constitution, private property, freedom of religion and equal protection will stop any government intervention in this. 

It falls upon the public and private sector (building contractors etc) to put enough pressure and resistance on it to stop it. 

[Bobbo]

I don’t know why anyone would be surprised to find the President upholding the First Amendment to our Constitution, as he is sworn to do.

[Sludge]

Bobo, while I agree with the first amendment.  Obama is a piece of excrement.  While I agree in principle with him on this issue, my assessment of the man is unchanged in my mind.

[Jeff K]

Now this guy has a plan that works for me. Lets see who's tolerant and who's not...

"Greg Gutfeld To Open A Gay Bar Next To Ground Zero Mosque To Cater To “Islamic Gay Men”"

[MP]

Now this guy has a plan that works for me. Lets see who's tolerant and who's not...

"Greg Gutfeld To Open A Gay Bar Next To Ground Zero Mosque To Cater To “Islamic Gay Men”"

+1

And, I hope they serve pork for lunch out front, right next to the Mosque too.  Want a bet that the Mosque will holler about it?

Just remember, it was Muslims who murdered all those doctors in Afghanistan for being Christian.  Tolerance, a one way street in the Muslim world.

MP

[Chrisj CMA]

I don’t know why anyone would be surprised to find the President upholding the First Amendment to our Constitution, as he is sworn to do.

Why should he start upholding the constitution now.....oh ya, because its HIS people this time, thats right

[Skinhead]

Now this guy has a plan that works for me. Lets see who's tolerant and who's not...

"Greg Gutfeld To Open A Gay Bar Next To Ground Zero Mosque To Cater To “Islamic Gay Men”"

And  a Pork slaughter house/packing plant on the other side.

I don’t know why anyone would be surprised to find the President upholding the First Amendment to our Constitution, as he is sworn to do.

Not allowing them to build their affront to common decency is NOT a violation of their rights under the first amendment.  The first amendment doesn't guarantee you the right to build a church where ever you please, it guarantees your right to practice the religion of your choice with out persecution.  Under our current zoning laws, just because you own a piece of property, doesn't mean you can do what ever you want with it.  Try building on a wetlands!!! 

This has NOTHING to do with the first amendment, and everything to do with showing the world that the once powerful US of A is no longer a superpower.  Your current POTUS (actually, I prefer POS) is doing his part.

[Sludge]

Wow, I cant believe I am defending them in this, but they arent building on a wetlands.  It is a private transaction and if blocked, I would think it would violate both the first amendment and the equal protection clause.

Now, there may be a public safety issue that could be fallen back upon at the local level to block it.  Given public outrage, threats, etc.  Also, if the funding were to be discovered to be coming from a less than reputable source, then I would think a case could be made there as well. 

Im all for stopping it, but I cant see a legal way that would hold up in court.  However, im not a lawyer, I just play one at night in front of my computer 

[gomato@aol.com]

I hope this country can with stand this jerk's term in office! What an embarrassment.

GT

[Bobbo]

Now this guy has a plan that works for me. Lets see who's tolerant and who's not...

"Greg Gutfeld To Open A Gay Bar Next To Ground Zero Mosque To Cater To “Islamic Gay Men”"

+1

And, I hope they serve pork for lunch out front, right next to the Mosque too.  Want a bet that the Mosque will holler about it?

Just remember, it was Muslims who murdered all those doctors in Afghanistan for being Christian.  Tolerance, a one way street in the Muslim world.

MP

Here in South St. Louis, we have Islamic centers and Mosques near BBQ and liquor stores.  They’ve been here for many years, and I’ve never heard of any complaints.

Jeff K:   I don’t know of any, but I’ll check to see if there are any Gay Bars near it for you!      

[TheSpadMan]

It is not the fact that they are/can build a mosque. It is WHERE they want to build it. New York city already has just over 200 mosques and islam centers. So the question is ... Why here??? 
I do believe that they should be able to build all the mosques they want. 

The State and City does have the right of Eminent Domain. They can confiscate my or your property at any time, and they use it.

So why not declair the area a religious free zone, or allow all of them to build a center, church, synagogue or whatever there?

Bill

[Jeff K]

Now this guy has a plan that works for me. Lets see who's tolerant and who's not...

"Greg Gutfeld To Open A Gay Bar Next To Ground Zero Mosque To Cater To “Islamic Gay Men”"

+1

And, I hope they serve pork for lunch out front, right next to the Mosque too.  Want a bet that the Mosque will holler about it?

Just remember, it was Muslims who murdered all those doctors in Afghanistan for being Christian.  Tolerance, a one way street in the Muslim world.

MP

Here in South St. Louis, we have Islamic centers and Mosques near BBQ and liquor stores.  They’ve been here for many years, and I’ve never heard of any complaints.

Jeff K:   I don’t know of any, but I’ll check to see if there are any Gay Bars near it for you!      

I don't know what it is with these libs, they sure talk about homosexuality a lot. Teabagging, gay bars, More teabagging... is it their intolerance showing through? Or are they all in the closet? Or  maybe just good old fashion bigots?

Seems like they blabber on and on about it. 

[Bobbo]

Now this guy has a plan that works for me. Lets see who's tolerant and who's not...

"Greg Gutfeld To Open A Gay Bar Next To Ground Zero Mosque To Cater To “Islamic Gay Men”"

+1

And, I hope they serve pork for lunch out front, right next to the Mosque too.  Want a bet that the Mosque will holler about it?

Just remember, it was Muslims who murdered all those doctors in Afghanistan for being Christian.  Tolerance, a one way street in the Muslim world.

MP

Here in South St. Louis, we have Islamic centers and Mosques near BBQ and liquor stores.  They’ve been here for many years, and I’ve never heard of any complaints.

Jeff K:   I don’t know of any, but I’ll check to see if there are any Gay Bars near it for you!      

I don't know what it is with these libs, they sure talk about homosexuality a lot. Teabagging, gay bars, More teabagging... is it their intolerance showing through? Or are they all in the closet? Or  maybe just good old fashion bigots?

Seems like they blabber on and on about it. 

Since you quoted my post, I have to suppose that you are targeting this post to me.  I don’t know why you are including me into a group you call “libs”, or why you brought up teabagging or discussions on homosexuality, since you started this trend with your gay bar post.  To the contrary, my post illustrated that the people in my area are quite tolerant.

Perhaps my context of a joke was lost on you, even though I added the wink, wink, smile emoticons.
 

[Willow]

Perhaps my context of a joke was lost on you, even though I added the wink, wink, smile emoticons.

Bob, I think it was the wink(s) the elicited his response.      

[Skinhead]

Wow, I cant believe I am defending them in this, but they arent building on a wetlands. 

I didn't say they were building it on a wet lands, I was using that to make a point, The EPA has stepped in and not allowed destruction of wetlands unless the builder relocates or creates a wetlands area equal in size to that destroyed.  There have also been projects halted to protect so called endangered species.  I'm just saying that in recent times ownership of property does not give you free rein to build what ever you want on it.  Another problem due to too much government.

[Gear Jammer]

I don’t know why anyone would be surprised to find the President upholding the First Amendment to our Constitution, as he is sworn to do.

Perhaps because he picks and chooses which amendments to uphold, and which (like the Second) he chooses to work against, albeit surreptitiously.

[Jeff K]

Perhaps my context of a joke was lost on you, even though I added the wink, wink, smile emoticons.

Bob, I think it was the wink(s) the elicited his response.      

You beat me to it.   

[Jess from VA]

I think a compromise is in order on this one.

So......... we let them build it to completion, then blow it up with some well placed C4 while it is still empty with no one on the streets.  Just make sure it's insured with a Saudi ins co.  Then refuse to allow rebuild on safety grounds.  

Fair is fair.  

[Jeff K]

Wow, I cant believe I am defending them in this, but they arent building on a wetlands.  It is a private transaction and if blocked, I would think it would violate both the first amendment and the equal protection clause.

Now, there may be a public safety issue that could be fallen back upon at the local level to block it.  Given public outrage, threats, etc.  Also, if the funding were to be discovered to be coming from a less than reputable source, then I would think a case could be made there as well. 

Im all for stopping it, but I cant see a legal way that would hold up in court.  However, im not a lawyer, I just play one at night in front of my computer 

Sex offenders can't live next to schools...

 

[Bigdog]

Fine build it..........Let's see how long it stands????

[Sludge]

I would love to be a building inspector... Muhahahaha  let em build the damn thing and then fail them on something structurally important where they would have to tear the thing back down to fix it Muahahahahahahaha..   There is still hope  

God knows, the building inspectors, OSHA and others give the public a hard enough time... im sure a few of them in NYC carry a grudge over 9/11

[Bigdog]

where is common sense?????????????
Why couldn't our president say that all religions have the right to build their temples but,   It probably wouldn't be a smart thing to build in THAT LOCATION.

God please help our country

[Walküre]

where is common sense?????????????
Why couldn't our president say that all religions have the right to build their temples but,   It probably wouldn't be a smart thing to build in THAT LOCATION.

God please help our country

He basically said that. He DID NOT condone building the mosque, he merely stated that it is within the constitutional rights, to build it, provided it falls under specific laws:

Speaking to a gathering at the White House Friday evening to observe the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, Obama said that he believes "Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country."

"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said. "This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable."

Asked Saturday about the issue during his trip to Florida, Obama said: "I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making a decision to put a mosque there. I was commenting very specifically on the right that people have that dates back to our founding."

Obama said that "my intention was simply to let people know what I thought. Which was that in this country we treat everybody equally and in accordance with the law, regardless of race, regardless of religion."

Of course, there are so many people that will use ANYTHING to criticize the president, that I'm not surprised that so many comments, without knowing the facts. Thankfully, only 6 more years of dissappointment to those people...

And someone mentioned the 2nd ammendment...what has Obama done against the 2nd ammendment? Oh yeah, allowing guns in public parks...oh, that was not against it...

R

[Gear Jammer]

You're correct, he did sign the Credit Card Reform Act to which the amendment was attached (thank you Sen. Coburn  R.OKLA     ) to allow permit holders to carry in national parks.  I can't imagine why he signed the bill, other than the 67-33 vote margin in favor of the amendment.    Or maybe not.   

[Valkahuna]

where is common sense?????????????
Why couldn't our president say that all religions have the right to build their temples but,   It probably wouldn't be a smart thing to build in THAT LOCATION.

God please help our country

+1. Unfortunately common sense has been illegal in this country since it has been run by Lawyers!!!!!

[Bobbo]

Perhaps my context of a joke was lost on you, even though I added the wink, wink, smile emoticons.

Bob, I think it was the wink(s) the elicited his response.      

You beat me to it.   

Well, thanks for letting me know that homophobic neo-cons consider a wink when telling a joke something more meaningful.  Us “libs” must be more secure in our manhood, and have thicker skin since we don’t start posts about liking that a gay bar is opening.

[Bobbo]

Fine build it..........Let's see how long it stands????

I hope you're not suggesting a terrorist act, such as destroying a building.  I thought all civilized people are against that.

[Jeff K]

Perhaps my context of a joke was lost on you, even though I added the wink, wink, smile emoticons.

Bob, I think it was the wink(s) the elicited his response.      

You beat me to it.   

Well, thanks for letting me know that homophobic neo-cons consider a wink when telling a joke something more meaningful.  Us “libs” must be more secure in our manhood, and have thicker skin since we don’t start posts about liking that a gay bar is opening.

When you run out of things to say you should just stop typing. That time has come and gone.

[valkmc]

We already have laws that say a individual or group cannot build on wetlands and laws that say sex offenders cannot live with 1000 feet of a school daycare playground, etc. Some good laws some bad. Laws,laws,laws, lets not pass more. I think they should build some where else but I don't want this overgrown bloated government passing a law that says muslims or any other group cannot build on private property next to a memorial...

[Skinhead]

I think a compromise is in order on this one.

So......... we let them build it to completion, then blow it up with some well placed C4 while it is still empty with no one on the streets.  Just make sure it's insured with a Saudi ins co.  Then refuse to allow rebuild on safety grounds.  

Fair is fair.  

The only flaw in this plan is that the mosque should be filled with members of the current administration that supported building it prior to pushing the button.  I suggested this in an earlier response.

[Jess from VA]

Of course, your plan is much better.

Mine was understandably PC with respect to collateral damage...... though advocating blowing up the bldg.

I bow to the master.   

[Bobbo]

When you run out of things to say you should just stop typing.

I agree with this, and if you had applied this philosophy to your first reply to me, you wouldn’t have had a reason to post this one.

[Jeff K]

When you run out of things to say you should just stop typing.

I agree with this, and if you had applied this philosophy to your first reply to me, you wouldn’t have had a reason to post this one.

Jeeze give it a rest. I'm guessing that your SO never lets you get the last word in so you feel the need to run your mouth here?

Follow the thread YOU responded to me, to start this pissin match. YOU threw out the first insult to me.

[3fan4life]

"Freedom of religion might provide the right to build the mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero, but common sense and respect for those who lost their lives and loved ones gives sensible reason to build the mosque someplace else." - Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Jeff Greene of Florida

This quote from the article referenced SAYS IT ALL.

COMMON SENSE should prevail..............

The idea of building a mosque near ground zero is comparable to a Nazi supremist group wanting to build their "clubhouse" beside a concentration camp.

[Bobbo]

When you run out of things to say you should just stop typing.

I agree with this, and if you had applied this philosophy to your first reply to me, you wouldn’t have had a reason to post this one.

Jeeze give it a rest. I'm guessing that your SO never lets you get the last word in so you feel the need to run your mouth here?

Follow the thread YOU responded to me, to start this pissin match. YOU threw out the first insult to me.

Not content in attempting to insult me, now you have to resort to attempting to insult my wife?  You complain of stopping this thread, but escalate it instead.

My reply to MP included your post since MP replied to your post.  I made a joke regarding a comment you made about your pleasure in someone opening a gay bar next to the “ground zero” mosque.   My comment was never intended to be an insult.  I included it since the discussion was about what should be built around this mosque.  I even tried to clarify it with a subsequent post, explaining that the wink and smile denote a joke.

It’s unfortunate that you need to label people, then assume all posts from them that include your comments are insults.

[Jeff K]

When you run out of things to say you should just stop typing.

I agree with this, and if you had applied this philosophy to your first reply to me, you wouldn’t have had a reason to post this one.

Jeeze give it a rest. I'm guessing that your SO never lets you get the last word in so you feel the need to run your mouth here?

Follow the thread YOU responded to me, to start this pissin match. YOU threw out the first insult to me.

Not content in attempting to insult me, now you have to resort to attempting to insult my wife?  You complain of stopping this thread, but escalate it instead.

My reply to MP included your post since MP replied to your post.  I made a joke regarding a comment you made about your pleasure in someone opening a gay bar next to the “ground zero” mosque.   My comment was never intended to be an insult.  I included it since the discussion was about what should be built around this mosque.  I even tried to clarify it with a subsequent post, explaining that the wink and smile denote a joke.

It’s unfortunate that you need to label people, then assume all posts from them that include your comments are insults.

Word

[G-Man]

This has NOTHING to do with the first amendment, and everything to do with showing the world that the once powerful US of A is no longer a superpower.  Your current POTUS (actually, I prefer POS) is doing his part.

Agreed!

[Skinhead]

This has NOTHING to do with the first amendment, and everything to do with showing the world that the once powerful US of A is no longer a superpower.  Your current POTUS (actually, I prefer POS) is doing his part.

Agreed!

AMEN, Brother!