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Author Topic: Question for Sport Touring Bike Owners (FJR1300, ST1300, Concours 14)  (Read 3632 times)
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« on: August 15, 2010, 05:53:29 PM »

Anyone who has one of the sport tours - can you compare how far you can ride your sport tourer in a day compared to your Valkyrie?  I have an Interstate that I have ridden as far as 900 miles in one day.  I will be on a long trip back if I buy a sport tourer (FJR 1300) from someone in another state, and I wondered how I should plan.

Thanks for any information that you can provide.

Dave
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2010, 06:09:07 PM »

I can easily do a Saddle Sore on my Valk, but I can't do more than 200 or so miles on my ST1300...

BUT, that's ME... my spousal unit (Technically the ST is hers) can ride it all day long... But the riding position on the ST1300 tears my back up, I just can't handle it for long periods, so it's one of those things that's gonna vary a LOT from person to person... She can't ride the Valk for more than a few hours...
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2010, 06:23:59 PM »

I took one for a short, very short, test ride at the Dealer.... a new ST 1300 Police edition and it was very uncomfortable.  And I don't think it was running right either.....  wanted to stall at idle.  That is more like a crotch rocket to me... and I find those very uncomfortable.
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2010, 07:45:38 PM »

You should plan that your ass will hurt. like any other bike it may or may not require 'adjusments" to fit you. You might need a Russell seat or you might need a Corbin. Which is your style? You might need handlebar risers or your might need lower pegs.

I can (did) ride my Valkyrie Interstate 3850 miles in 4 days. So far I've only rode the ST1300 2,000 miles in about 38 hours but I'm still trying to get up to some reasonable distance riding with the ST.   Undecided

Your ass will hurt I guarantee but the smile on your face will not. I think everyone has to get broke in to a new ride before they can do 1,000 miles days without buttache.

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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2010, 09:49:30 AM »

You should plan that your ass will hurt. like any other bike it may or may not require 'adjusments" to fit you. You might need a Russell seat or you might need a Corbin. Which is your style? You might need handlebar risers or your might need lower pegs.


Your ass will hurt I guarantee but the smile on your face will not. I think everyone has to get broke in to a new ride before they can do 1,000 miles days without buttache.

Raymond



Exactly what HE said. I have owned a LOT of bikes, but have NEVER bought a bike, that "fit" out of the box, whether new OR used. A seat forms to the owners butt, good or bad. And they don't seem to like to re-form, to another person's butt. I have always planned to re-do, or buy a new seat, when I purchase any bike. The exception has been the Valk - I haven't had too much discomfort at all, with the seat that was on it, when I bought it with 9,000 miles. I've only done a couple hundred miles at one time, with it, but looking forward to my first Saddlesore 1000. My Sitz bones, do get a little pressure, but I think I'm going to try a gel pad, in a sheepskin, and see if that stops any problems. It usually has, in the past.

If you are going to ride it, I would recommend taking a seat cover, of some sort. I prefer the gel inserts as mentioned, but they can sure make a big difference, on ANY seat, and if nothing else, can give relief, if you switch between using it and not using it. Seems to me, repetition of sitting the same place on an ill-fitting seat, is where the discomfort comes from. And to me, if I vary that, by riding with cushion then without cushion, a lot of the discomfort goes away. Works for me, very well - your mileage will vary.

As for the sitting position, I'm 57. 10-12 years ago, it wouldn't have bothered me at all. Now, I KNOW that I couldn't ride for very long, on ANY of the sport tourers. Thus, the Valk.

If I've learned nothing else, I DO know that if you feel overly uncomfortable, when you first get on ANY motorcycle, chances are you will put a LOT into it, and very possibly, NEVER get it 100% comfortable. Again, case in point, the Valk - I first sat on one, back in around 2000. Felt like a well-fitting glove. Didn't sit on another until earlier this year. Felt exactly the same, and I bought one. Still fits like a glove, even without any seat work. Will need it, but not in a hurry - that's what cold Indiana winter's are for.

Good luck with it - keep us posted!

EDIT - just thought of something - you mention buying out of state, and riding home. I have never recommended that, if buying used. Unless it's a close relation, you NEVER know exactly what the bike has been through (and sometimes not even then!) - any thing can (and does) happen on the first long ride on any scooter. If you are riding with someone out to get it, in a vehicle that CAN tow, if necessary, that's one thing, but if you are taking a plane/bus/taxi there, it can be quite another. NOTHING worse than picking up a bi,ke, 3 states away, and having to leave it 2 states away, to be fixed. I trailered my Valk from two states away, and checked it over REAL good when I got home...well, EVERYthing, except the air pressure in the tires. Cupped the heck out of the rear, in the 25 miles I drove to work. And I'm really pretty anal about checking tire air, just spaced it, while I did check all fluids, bolts for tightness throughout the bike, etc, etc. Again, anything can happen, when you least expect it to...
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2010, 09:49:55 AM »

Like stated above, everyone's different.  I've ridden an FJR1300 for a short test ride, and even owned a sport bike (1994 Suzuki RF900RR) for a few years.  I have a bad back, but that never bothered me on these bikes.  In fact, my back is more bothered by the upright but slouched riding position on the Valk than on the sport bikes.  But my problem is my hands.  With the forward leaning position, you put alot more weight on your hands.  The weight on my hands would cause my fingers, starting with my pinky, to get tingly and eventually numbness would set in after about an hour or so.  In fact, I rode my sportbike 300 miles to visit my parents for a weekend, then 300 miles home on Sunday a couple times.  And by the time I would get home, my pinky and ring fingers were just about numb and tingly for 3 days.  I'm sure bar risers would have helped this situation on my bike.  But the RF900RR was only made for a couple years and wasn't widely popular since it wasn't a race replica bike like the GSXR's, CBR's and Ninjas it was competing against. So the aftermarket wasn't real big on this bike.  With a decent seat and less agressive riding position, it was more of a basic sport-tour bike with no bags.  Plus, even if I could have found them, they probably would have been very expensive because the riser bar clamps were actually cast into the top triple tree.  So that entire unit would have had to be replaced, rather than just bolting on new risers. The FJR which gave me the same problem wasn't mine to modify, so I cannot say for that one.  
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2010, 10:04:09 AM »

I have the Concours 1400, and find it very comfortable after modding it to fit.  Corbin with Smuggler, smuggler has a short backrest built in.  Buell pegs, offset to lower feet about 2 in.  Riser blocks under the bars not only raise, but pulls back a little.  Lowered by slipping the forks an inch, and putting ZX14 dogbones out back.  Also slipped foam grips over the stockers to fatten them up a little.  Wonderfull power and handling bike, and sounds totally awesome.  Running Dual Carbon Fiber Scorpions behind the early ZX14 header.  Early as it has no catylist. 

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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2010, 10:59:50 AM »

A friends son recently visited here in Spain. He has a 1995(?) ST1300 that he bought recently. He weighs in excess of 320lbs and at 6ft tall he has the stock seat. He is not known for doing an Iron Butt / Saddle Sore run. He did, however, do the 520 mile run from Santander to us without a problem in just over 9 hours including stops for gas (and it isn't all motorway either). He said that he found it comfortable with no issues. He did the same return journey two weeks later.

I used to ride them at work for an 8 hour tour (sometimes longer) without issue.

But it is your butt so only you will know whether you can manage it, but it certainly is possible. Would be better on an after market seat probably.
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2010, 12:59:05 PM »

does a 2004 bmw 1150 RT-police model qualify as a sport touring bike

just asking

I can ride it for a few hours maximum but if I get a russell day long and some highway pegs I should be able to ride it all day

The valk I can ride forever day after day and it never gets old, but I just hate putting it through the abuse of riding to the south bronx and thats why I have the 1150.  Its also fun when people move over cause it sure looks like...........a police bike and it fits into the narrow spot between my office and the neighbor where the valk being wider does not

and it is easier to do emergency manuevers with too
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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2010, 01:54:49 PM »

I bought a new ST1300 in May this year. Got started looking at all the sport tourers from chats with the guys here on VRCC. I asked "-- what do we Valkyrie people get for a second bike or replacement, quite a few said the "ST" or the "FJR" or "Connie". I tested all & liked the ST best.
BUT I KEPT MY 01 VALKYRIE - now with 70,600 miles on it. I now have about 4,700 miles on the new ST & can say they are two different animals.
I feel that the stock Valk seat is about 20 to 30% more comfortable after 3 - 4 hours than my (already) modified ST1300 seat. If you go on the STowners site you will find out as I did that about half the people change or have their seat modified. When I first got the ST my butt ached in 1/2 an hour.
But the ST is fun to ride, more agile & can stay balanced easier at a crawl. Is quick as a wink. I still love my Valkyrie though & enjoy the ride.

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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2010, 02:03:38 PM »

As you know Dave the FJR is more sport to the ST1300's tourer.

On a 300+ mile day on the ST with my risers and lowered foot pegs my wrists will ache a little the next day.

HOWEVER if I'm doing a multi day ride after 4 or 5 days I can ride 990 miles in a day as I did heading east drom the last Inzane held in Frisco, CO.
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