From the Hardhats of New York

[T.P.]

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/20/2010-08-20_we_wont_build_it_hardhats_say_no_way_they_will_work_on_wtc_mosque.html

[DIGGER]

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!    GREAT IDEA!!!!!

[Kaz]

If you look to history, Every time the Islamic people conquered or defeated a nation or won a significant battle, they put up a mosque to commemorate the event and display their authority.  That's why I have a problem with this particular mosque.

[Bobbo]

If you look to history, Every time the Islamic people conquered or defeated a nation or won a significant battle, they put up a mosque to commemorate the event and display their authority.  That's why I have a problem with this particular mosque.

We have dozens of Mosques in the St. Louis area.  I have never heard of any battle or conquest for these “victory Mosques”.

If you continue to read this same history, you will see that Christian Churches were build in Europe at sites that formally had Pagan holy grounds.

I believe the statements about “victory Mosques” are simply propaganda to throw gasoline into the fire of religious hatred and bigotry.

[9Ball]

more gasoline please....

[Robert]

Bobbo obviously doesn't read my posts this is a repost from a post about the President still applies

 If we allow this mosque then why are we at war for what? Poppy fields, land,oil what? I say we need to respect the people that died, respect this country, and have a firm front when someone under the pretense of help from the very religion that birthed this mindset to do this thing wants to build a monument to it. That all the bleeding hearts would bleed for America first and the lives that were lost and do the right thing.  like I said why dont they give money or start a foundation for the 911 victims? That wont happen so wise up know what the real intent is stand against it say that they can build a mosque somewhere else. Since they did this have the decency to deny them the final victory of building a monument at that spot to Osama/muslim. Like I said before the dome of the rock built in Jerusalem is there for one purpose to stop the rebuilding of Solomons temple in case you hadn't read any other posts. They dont use it for any functions. Let me give you a little more history when the turks took Jerusalem the ruler Suliman the great of the Ottoman empire blocked off the east gate and then put a Muslim cemetery there so Jesus even if He could get through the wall would still be unclean if he went through the cemetery. So even in the old days was it so that space occupied under Islam is done so no one else can be there and as a monument. Where you laugh and mock spiritual ideas they not only respect them but do things to protect themselves spiritually. What a testament to Jesus that even in those days His return was so feared that the ruler built a cemetery and blocked a gate so the kind couldn't return. Why cant we have this kind of respect today?Huh?Huh?Huh?  That the dome of the rock was built on Solomons temple so that It couldnt go up again. The wailing wall is the wall of the Temple and thats below the dome of the rock.The turks which are Muslim fought with the Nazis in WW2.

So now youve heard

[x]

Love it when all the bezerkers who demand that the government enforce the Constitution get all jelly like when it comes to granting Constitutional rights to the people who want to build the mosque.  And most speak out of ignorance.  For example, there have been two mosques within four blocks of ground zero for a long time.  One wants to expand, and the yahoos in the US go epileptic.
 
I have grave concerns about the US when the bezerkers would ignore Constitutional guarantees in favor of enforcing their own biases.

[x]

Bobbo obviously doesn't read my posts this is a repost from a post about the President still applies

 If we allow this mosque then why are we at war for what? Poppy fields, land,oil what? I say we need to respect the people that died, respect this country, and have a firm front when someone under the pretense of help from the very religion that birthed this mindset to do this thing wants to build a monument to it. That all the bleeding hearts would bleed for America first and the lives that were lost and do the right thing.  like I said why dont they give money or start a foundation for the 911 victims? That wont happen so wise up know what the real intent is stand against it say that they can build a mosque somewhere else. Since they did this have the decency to deny them the final victory of building a monument at that spot to Osama/muslim. Like I said before the dome of the rock built in Jerusalem is there for one purpose to stop the rebuilding of Solomons temple in case you hadn't read any other posts. They dont use it for any functions. Let me give you a little more history when the turks took Jerusalem the ruler Suliman the great of the Ottoman empire blocked off the east gate and then put a Muslim cemetery there so Jesus even if He could get through the wall would still be unclean if he went through the cemetery. So even in the old days was it so that space occupied under Islam is done so no one else can be there and as a monument. Where you laugh and mock spiritual ideas they not only respect them but do things to protect themselves spiritually. What a testament to Jesus that even in those days His return was so feared that the ruler built a cemetery and blocked a gate so the kind couldn't return. Why cant we have this kind of respect today?Huh?Huh?Huh?  That the dome of the rock was built on Solomons temple so that It couldnt go up again. The wailing wall is the wall of the Temple and thats below the dome of the rock.The turks which are Muslim fought with the Nazis in WW2.

Edit: personally abusive statement removed  We are at war to bring the freedoms and  liberties of the US to other nations.  And you would deny those freedoms, you would make a mockery of the Constitution because Edit: personally abusive statement removed.  It's as simple as that.  Edit: personally abusive statement removed  People like you should not get the chance to dirty and sully the fundamental underpinnings of the Constitution.

[Serk]

THIS is the angle that should be taken...

The government has NO right to stop the mosque, and shouldn't try...

HOWEVER, the private sector DOES have the right to refuse to build it, and this is exactly the tack that should be taken to stop it from being done...

[Robert]

Eagle Edit: personally abusive statement removed. We have not liberated anyone since Kuwait. We went in to Iraq to liberate a country that really doesn't want us there that no one was prepared to start a government with people that haven't a real clue what to do nor want to establish a real society. Kurazi has for the most part corrupted most of the existing government to the point that they almost took him out. We were ill prepared to do what needed to be done and its not as if we haven't learned a lesson or two from previous times. So why are we now in Afghanistan?? the very same country that Russia was in not long ago? Did you say Muslim extremists or do you want to relabel them terrorists? The general population of both countries doesn't help themselves much less the US and actually protest the US being there. The main cash crop is poppies. Its costing us BILLIONS and we dont even take Iraqi oil for our tanks and equipment and we still funnel money into a country that has very little imitative to even help itself when the time is now to cast out all trouble makers and turn over a new leaf. You talk about religion being bad well here you are correct. A society that suicide bombers come out of that kill our troops daily that dont cooperate yea it sounds like were liberators all right. You are great at ranting and raving but thats about it no facts nothing. Also when we liberated France and other countries during the war they would come out welcome our troops help and even when they could help fight. Being so far out there you cant even understand how someone is supposed to act that is liberated. How they need to respect the country that puts men machine families money on the line to help out another country. As for sullying the Constitution you are the one by your liberal ideas and not weighing up the cost that America pays. Why do we alway have to pay the price in lives and more when the only country that asked for help was Kuwait? Liberals like most in government look at the people and say poor people but dont weight the cost in human life nor the attitude of the people that need help they just think it wont cost anything and then when we finally spend all our effort they will be in happy land. Not to mention rules ideals religion since you have no understanding about these things you have no ability to make a good decision.

[Bobbo]

Like I said before the dome of the rock built in Jerusalem is there for one purpose to stop the rebuilding of Solomons temple in case you hadn't read any other posts. They dont use it for any functions. Let me give you a little more history when the turks took Jerusalem the ruler Suliman the great of the Ottoman empire blocked off the east gate and then put a Muslim cemetery there so Jesus even if He could get through the wall would still be unclean if he went through the cemetery. So even in the old days was it so that space occupied under Islam is done so no one else can be there and as a monument. Where you laugh and mock spiritual ideas they not only respect them but do things to protect themselves spiritually. What a testament to Jesus that even in those days His return was so feared that the ruler built a cemetery and blocked a gate so the kind couldn't return. Why cant we have this kind of respect today?Huh?Huh?Huh?  That the dome of the rock was built on Solomons temple so that It couldnt go up again. The wailing wall is the wall of the Temple and thats below the dome of the rock.The turks which are Muslim fought with the Nazis in WW2.

So now youve heard

I give this sort of hocus-pocus mindset the same credence that I give to Voodoo and Pagan rituals.  None.

[Robert]

Bobbo I understand and that is why you will welcome anyone with a different mindset and on liberality not understand true intent or why do people do what they do.  Even to the point of denying fellow citizens that know whats happening the respect of their feelings. That is what liberals do say the heck with how the majority feel the heck with what might be true lets just give everyone what they want and live in happy land. Forget that Democracy cost us lives and money and almost all something so that we could live by laws that kept things on a course that the majority could live with. Not sacrificing the majority to please the few. Nor bending the laws to accommodate a few.

[foottdude]

Like I said before the dome of the rock built in Jerusalem is there for one purpose to stop the rebuilding of Solomons temple in case you hadn't read any other posts. They dont use it for any functions. Let me give you a little more history when the turks took Jerusalem the ruler Suliman the great of the Ottoman empire blocked off the east gate and then put a Muslim cemetery there so Jesus even if He could get through the wall would still be unclean if he went through the cemetery. So even in the old days was it so that space occupied under Islam is done so no one else can be there and as a monument. Where you laugh and mock spiritual ideas they not only respect them but do things to protect themselves spiritually. What a testament to Jesus that even in those days His return was so feared that the ruler built a cemetery and blocked a gate so the kind couldn't return. Why cant we have this kind of respect today?Huh?Huh?Huh?  That the dome of the rock was built on Solomons temple so that It couldnt go up again. The wailing wall is the wall of the Temple and thats below the dome of the rock.The turks which are Muslim fought with the Nazis in WW2.

So now youve heard

I give this sort of hocus-pocus mindset the same credence that I give to Voodoo and Pagan rituals.  None.

Bobbo-where do you get this "hocus-pocus mindset" crap that you speak about from Robert's post.  Robert is 100% correct about the history of the temple-mount, the cemetary, and the  east gate.  This stuff is well documented.  Islam has a history of "taking over" areas for their own self interests. 

[big d]

all you need to do is realize the projects name is the cordoba project and then look it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%B3rdoba,_Spain, and you will see that it represents a muslim conquest of spain. IF it is meant to heal why would they call it the cordoba project. nuff said.

[Bobbo]

Bobbo-where do you get this "hocus-pocus mindset" crap that you speak about from Robert's post.  Robert is 100% correct about the history of the temple-mount, the cemetary, and the  east gate.  This stuff is well documented.  Islam has a history of "taking over" areas for their own self interests. 

The concept of walking through a cemetery that makes you spiritually unclean and that some mystical force prevents another building to be built in the same place is hocus-pocus nonsense to me.

You would do well in continuing to read history, as land takeovers are common, and Islam doesn’t have a exclusive hold on it.

[Trynt]

Bobbo-where do you get this "hocus-pocus mindset" crap that you speak about from Robert's post.  Robert is 100% correct about the history of the temple-mount, the cemetary, and the  east gate.  This stuff is well documented.  Islam has a history of "taking over" areas for their own self interests.  

The concept of walking through a cemetery that makes you spiritually unclean and that some mystical force prevents another building to be built in the same place is hocus-pocus nonsense to me.

You would do well in continuing to read history, as land takeovers are common, and Islam doesn’t have a exclusive hold on it.

The thing is, too many Muslims do believe in this "hocus-pocus".  That is why they stone people for adultry, murder people over political cartoons and blow their asses up and expect 70 virgins as a reward. No one is saying they don't have constitutional right to build the mosque.  It is a matter of sensitivity and respect, which the Muslim culture demands in spades (no racial context intended).  But it is heartening to see the lefties' sudden concern over the free expression of religion (as long as that religion is not Christianity).

[Sludge]

Well Said Trynt  

Oh, and Serk too!  I agree completely with your thoughts on the matter.

[f6john]

Bobbo-where do you get this "hocus-pocus mindset" crap that you speak about from Robert's post.  Robert is 100% correct about the history of the temple-mount, the cemetary, and the  east gate.  This stuff is well documented.  Islam has a history of "taking over" areas for their own self interests.  

The concept of walking through a cemetery that makes you spiritually unclean and that some mystical force prevents another building to be built in the same place is hocus-pocus nonsense to me.

You would do well in continuing to read history, as land takeovers are common, and Islam doesn’t have a exclusive hold on it.

The thing is, too many Muslims do believe in this "hocus-pocus".  That is why they stone people for adultry, murder people over political cartoons and blow their asses up and expect 70 virgins as a reward. No one is saying they don't have constitutional right to build the mosque.  It is a matter of sensitivity and respect, which the Muslim culture demands in spades (no racial context intended).  But it is heartening to see the lefties' sudden concern over the free expression of religion (as long as that religion is not Christianity).

       Now Trynt!!They're expecting 72 virgins, wouldn't be trying to hold back a couple for yourself would'ya ?????

[Oss]

If you have seen my interstate you know there is a sticker on the windshield. I will edit this post with a nice view when I get home

It was placed there after the first ground zero ride.  I was humbled to be one of thousands who participated and helped raise money for the families of the slain first responders.

What kind of person could have implied there are no programs or charities for these heroes?  Almost everyone I know lost someone or almost lost someone that day in 2001, A day that shall remain forever in infamy and shall be a stain on the Moslem world forever, as similar days like Pearl Harbor to Japan or Kristelnacht to Germany

The ground was still smoking hot as we rode down the west side of Manhattan along the Hudson River
The chill that went through me was palpable and I can recall it and have goosebumps now just typing this response.  Everyone cried who was there. The smell of death was something I could feel in my bones the same way I knew over the next rise in Pennsylvanie would be the field of Flight 93 when 3W led our ride out there.  It is something surreal to know this is a place so many died and so sad.

If a group wishes to rebuild after a fire loss what was there this is a right they have  I would want the same right for your church if it was burned even if by a crazed person in the name of your savior

If a group wants to build an edifice, a monument under the pretext of something else then shame and the union is taking the high road to boycott. City Hall should do the same but is too busy pandering to the White House

If it is not simply rebuilding a temple that stood 4 blocks away then I am for whoever is against it
and yes Eagle and Bobbo religions have been known through time to build on the sites of the vanquished   The  Second Temple in Jerusalem was razed and on its site to desecrate the holy site that the Lord chose Moslems erected the DOME OF THE ROCK. And I recall certain ARCHES erected in rome depicting the destruction as well.

I am not allowed to visit the Dome as I am a Jew. Likewise I am not welcome in Saudi Arabia or  its cronies because of my religion   They can all go to hell as far as I am concerned and they can take anyone who crawls across the border illegally with them.  


If you dont like me kiss my oss (Thanks Raymond for suggesting that I am an osshole in the chatroom that day... I finally found a use for your expression  lol)   thats my view and I am sticking with it

[fstsix]

Religious tolerance? IS ONLY FOR MUSLIMS!!! This is for the Left Wing Ignorance spewing trash about the Constitution, and is about Government Hypocrisy.......Any more doubt that Obama is a Muslim and a radical Muslim at that? Where does he get the nerve to back a Shari’a connected mosque while denying a church that had been at Ground Zero for years to rebuild after being destroyed by Muslim terrorists? The Obama reign of terror must be stopped.

Greek Orthodox leaders trying to rebuild the only church destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attacks expressed shock this week after learning, via Fox News, that government officials had killed a deal to relocate the church.

The St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, once a tiny, four-story building in the shadows of lower Manhattan, was destroyed in 2001 by one of the falling World Trade Center towers. Nobody from the church was hurt in the attack, but the congregation has, for the past eight years, been trying to rebuild its house of worship. …

Confronted with the Port Authority’s verdict, Father Mark Arey, of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, said it’s the first he’s heard that.“Negotiations did break off last year. We were expecting to hear from their lawyers — we never did. We’re still expecting to hear from them,” he told Fox News. “We’re disappointed. … 130 Liberty Street was promised to us.”

“This little church deserves to be rebuilt. It’s symbolic, not just for Orthodox Christians, not just for Christians, but for all Americans,” Arey said, calling the mosque debate “helpful” to the church’s cause. “I believe that people around the country are asking themselves the question — why all this talk about a mosque being built near Ground Zero? What about a little church that was destroyed on 9/11? … This is basically a bureaucratic impasse. This will dissolve in the face of the American public consciousness.”

[Bobbo]

Almost everyone I know lost someone or almost lost someone that day in 2001, A day that shall remain forever in infamy and shall be a stain on the Moslem world forever, as similar days like Pearl Harbor to Japan or Kristelnacht to Germany

If a group wants to build an edifice, a monument under the pretext of something else then shame and the union is taking the high road to boycott. City Hall should do the same but is too busy pandering to the White House

While you are certainly entitled to your views, I believe you are mistaken with one part.  We weren’t attacked by Muslims.  That would be like saying England, France, and Poland were attacked by Christians.  We were attacked by a small group of frustrated zealots with twisted political and religious views.

I agree that building an Islamic center in downtown Manhattan is a bad idea, but the idea of government intervention purely on religious reasons is wrong.

[fstsix]

Almost everyone I know lost someone or almost lost someone that day in 2001, A day that shall remain forever in infamy and shall be a stain on the Moslem world forever, as similar days like Pearl Harbor to Japan or Kristelnacht to Germany

If a group wants to build an edifice, a monument under the pretext of something else then shame and the union is taking the high road to boycott. City Hall should do the same but is too busy pandering to the White House

While you are certainly entitled to your views, I believe you are mistaken with one part.  We weren’t attacked by Muslims.  That would be like saying England, France, and Poland were attacked by Christians.  We were attacked by a small group of frustrated zealots with twisted political and religious views.

I agree that building an Islamic center in downtown Manhattan is a bad idea, but the idea of government intervention purely on religious reasons is wrong.

Nope! BO....you are Wrong!

[Trynt]

Bobbo-where do you get this "hocus-pocus mindset" crap that you speak about from Robert's post.  Robert is 100% correct about the history of the temple-mount, the cemetary, and the  east gate.  This stuff is well documented.  Islam has a history of "taking over" areas for their own self interests.  

The concept of walking through a cemetery that makes you spiritually unclean and that some mystical force prevents another building to be built in the same place is hocus-pocus nonsense to me.

You would do well in continuing to read history, as land takeovers are common, and Islam doesn’t have a exclusive hold on it.

The thing is, too many Muslims do believe in this "hocus-pocus".  That is why they stone people for adultry, murder people over political cartoons and blow their asses up and expect 70 virgins as a reward. No one is saying they don't have constitutional right to build the mosque.  It is a matter of sensitivity and respect, which the Muslim culture demands in spades (no racial context intended).  But it is heartening to see the lefties' sudden concern over the free expression of religion (as long as that religion is not Christianity).

       Now Trynt!!They're expecting 72 virgins, wouldn't be trying to hold back a couple for yourself would'ya ?????

I have a good friend that offers the opinion, " they can keep the virgins, just give me a half-dozen nasty sluts.'

[alph]

i would like to know, why haven't they started to build anything on the old WTC site?  or have they?  don't know.  

by the way, that's what makes the union the "union".  now, if the IBEW, and the Teamsters, and all the other unions join in, they're fu*kered!!

[RP#62]

I think it would be fine if they built a mosque there, just as soon as Islam allows a synagogue or Judeo/Christian/Buddhist/Hindu (pick one) center to be built in Mecca.
-RP

[Gear Jammer]

Bobbo obviously doesn't read my posts this is a repost from a post about the President still applies

 If we allow this mosque then why are we at war for what? Poppy fields, land,oil what? I say we need to respect the people that died, respect this country, and have a firm front when someone under the pretense of help from the very religion that birthed this mindset to do this thing wants to build a monument to it. That all the bleeding hearts would bleed for America first and the lives that were lost and do the right thing.  like I said why dont they give money or start a foundation for the 911 victims? That wont happen so wise up know what the real intent is stand against it say that they can build a mosque somewhere else. Since they did this have the decency to deny them the final victory of building a monument at that spot to Osama/muslim. Like I said before the dome of the rock built in Jerusalem is there for one purpose to stop the rebuilding of Solomons temple in case you hadn't read any other posts. They dont use it for any functions. Let me give you a little more history when the turks took Jerusalem the ruler Suliman the great of the Ottoman empire blocked off the east gate and then put a Muslim cemetery there so Jesus even if He could get through the wall would still be unclean if he went through the cemetery. So even in the old days was it so that space occupied under Islam is done so no one else can be there and as a monument. Where you laugh and mock spiritual ideas they not only respect them but do things to protect themselves spiritually. What a testament to Jesus that even in those days His return was so feared that the ruler built a cemetery and blocked a gate so the kind couldn't return. Why cant we have this kind of respect today?Huh?Huh?Huh?  That the dome of the rock was built on Solomons temple so that It couldnt go up again. The wailing wall is the wall of the Temple and thats below the dome of the rock.The turks which are Muslim fought with the Nazis in WW2.

Edit: personally abusive statement removed  We are at war to bring the freedoms and  liberties of the US to other nations.  And you would deny those freedoms, you would make a mockery of the Constitution because Edit: personally abusive statement removed.  It's as simple as that.  Edit: personally abusive statement removed  People like you should not get the chance to dirty and sully the fundamental underpinnings of the Constitution.

Thank you Admin 

[alph]

I agree with gear jammer 

Thank you admin. for editing out what I’ve tried to tell SE before, you can't attack a person calling them degrading names, and then try to get your point across.  Doesn’t work that way.  If you disagree with a persons view point (and by the way, I agree with your reply SE) you can not resort to name calling!!  That’s just childish.

[Robert]

If as you say se there are two mosques within a 4 block radius are you saying these are filled to capacity and that this spot is the only one available? I was happy that admin deleted out your remarks because I reread your post and like all you post there is no content at all except as you would say bezerkers remarks what is that its definitely not  English. You argue for the mosque talk about trashing the constitution and running over the rights but really have offered NOT one shred of proof  that what is said is false or anything to support your statements nothing . Tokyo rose told America that we would loose the war sounds like some of the same thing.
   How can you talk about America when your not even here. about things that should be done and shouldn't when your not here. When you couldn't even support yourself by having you company here in the US. If you know so much and love this country so much why aren't you here? I know that what I have here meant more to me than going to another country and staying there but you ran out on the US. Deciding for what ever reason you dont have enough ties here to make you stay. But from another country you want to tell Americans how it should be. You dont face the daily things that people in the US do and Singapore is not the hub of conservatism yes there are traditions and that is even crumbling. You may be a American citizen in name but not in life, you call yourself a American and live in another country for so many years and things can be different than what you remembered.  So why dont you backup stop with the names and the destruction of society bs and all the name calling and start to offer some real facts against what I and others have said against the mosque. Tell me how the Muslims here in the US differ from the ones in Afghanistan and Iraq, Iran and like the West Bank in Israel. By the way that Israel has given them the land and they still hurl mortars over the wall. let me and others learn from the wisdom you have accumulated on these subjects being in Singapore. And others who know what the Muslim religion says and talk from a informed point of view.

[Robert]

Lets get another thing straight too Saudi Arabia is Muslim Why dont they help Iraq???? They sure have the money or Afghanistan or any other Muslim country??? They could have taken out Hussein but didn't they could offer support of US troops but didn't. They could help the finances of the Palestinians but dont and they dont help the US. These are all Muslim Nations so why dont they help each other??? if we say that they are all touchy and warm. Why in Saudi Arabia are there still human rights issues going on if the Muslim religion is so good. Why does the US have the best human rights rating of any country and why did it take the US a Christian nation to liberate a Muslim nation and then have Muslims shove a mosque close to the trade center site????? How about Iran they surely are not radical Muslims or terrorists now are they, they are just Muslims for the most part now but wait and lets see what happens. That the leader of Iran considers himself the 5th eman issuing in the prophecy of Mohamed and to the destruction of his own country. Or did you not know that this was his real intent? That this religion/ideology is being acted upon in another country not so much hokus pokus now is it????? That Iran made threats to Israel to wipe them out that the Holocaust didn't happen this is a example of a Muslim ruler guided by his faith just as Palestinians and so many more> Tell me how this is all hokus pokus. In order to make things more palatable our press relabels things but you cant relabel these things. Yet this is the very thing we are supposed to have tolerance of and allow what fools we could be. I dont say that every Muslim is a terrorist nor that everyone is a bad person but the people at the level of the person building the mosque in New York is and others that are making decisions about Islam are and just like Iraq will not be afraid to blow up innocent people and use them as suicide bombers or just shields when the American troops are trying to weed out terrorists. So when these innocents that are Muslim come to the US to make a better life I say good but we have established this country on rules laws and the will of the people. If yo want to come fine but not with destruction in your heart nor saying I will change America into something better we already are
After this I thought a little change would be nice

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[Robert]

For SE

The fact is you are Canadian by birth and maintain 3 citizen ships which explains the lack of understanding that we Americans have. Also one more reason you identify with Obama
  The following is a quote from your site.
As I write this, my life has never been better.  I am alive, excited, exhilarated, and I can’t wait to get out of bed in the morning to see what life brings.  Life wasn’t always like that.  Life used to be full of anger, rage, and depression, overshadowed with the question, “What’s the point, anyway?”
 
I am kinda surprised that someone that posts this on a website would come off like you do maybe issues of the past haven't been healed yet. Not to mention what would your clients think if they knew that you posted these remarks? Not so good for job or buisness Id say.

More from your site

I read philosophy, theology, and psychology to understand God, the world, and how I fit into it.  I meet weekly with like minded men to bond and connect at the level of the heart.  I walk to the park near my office at least twice a week to contemplate, meditate, and commune with nature.  I believe I have come close to touching the One during meditation.  I want to do more.

I believe that real psychological healing cannot occur without spirituality entering my life. Am I a Christian?  I don’t know.  I find it hard to accept the teachings of a religion filled with prejudices, a religion that has hierarchy, bureaucracy, and control like any human institution.  And yet, Jesus is a beacon, a model, a standard, the way to connection with Spirit.  His teachings are more relevant than ever.  And I am blessed to be with men and women who are all in the question.  Men and women who gather together in the search for answers.  Perhaps that is what being a Christian is all about.
   
  Like alot of your posts you are trying the wrong things to get to life and God but you are correct in this thought that you expressed about healing. I can personally tell you that there is peace and joy and so much more in the Lord that is available to anyone. You dont get there by meditating or any psychology or anything like that. You desire and ask and then just let Him touch you. He will just let go of all youve learned and like the Bible says come to Him like a child. It is the thing youve been looking for complete

[alph]

gee, robert, do you feel better?  i'm sure your fingers are a bit sore!!  time to buy a new keypad if you keep typing so much!!!

i have to explain why i agree with SE's comments, personally I don't like muslims, when ever i fly and if there's one on the plane, i just keep an eye on 'em, watching every move they make, and i hope they get that feeling that they're being watched.  i detest their religion (most all religions for that matter), they can take there "allah" and stick 'em you know were.  but, they've got to be given a rope to hang them selves with.  let 'em build the terror shrine where ever they want.  just remember to raise your kids in knowing that they're a religion of hate, and that they hate you, not because you're christian, but because you're not muslim. 

Think of it like this;  I’m Italian.  Both my parents are from italy.  Now, if they raised me in thinking that everyone else is stupid because they’re not italian, that would really narrow my cultural knowledge right.  Well, that’s what the muslims are doing to their kids.  They’re raising their kids in believing that they’re better then anyone else, just because they’re muslims.    It’s a pretty stupid way of thinking, but, that’s about it.  no different then the Nazi youth of Germany. 

The best way to break this type of indoctrination is to have the kids attend a public school.  Now, remember, your kids were taught that being gay is okay, that’s kinda what we’ve got to do to the muslim kids.  Force them to play with the little jew boy.  Force them to realize that they’re not any better then anyone else, and when they’re dead, they’ll stink like the rest of us.

Let them build their mosque.  Then protest it on a daily basis.  Enact hate crime laws that will force them to spend all their money on lawyers. 

If they don’t build the mosque, they’ll start running for public office, and who knows what’ll be next, maybe even president!! 

[Bobbo]

If they don’t build the mosque, they’ll start running for public office, and who knows what’ll be next, maybe even president!! 

Too late…  99% of Fox News and conservative radio talking head listeners believe we have a Muslim as our current president.   

[Robert]

Nope, fingers aren't tired yet, kinda like guitar the more you play the easier it gets, conditions them. Thanks for the post and I do agree with some of your points. Thinking about getting rid of my secretary I think I am in the running to type faster than her.  As a Personal point I am not a hateful person I dont hate Muslims or really anyone. What I dislike and cant support is any idea or religion that wants to take away personal freedom and endorses hate to the destruction of others. I know to some it may sound like hypocrite being a Christian but most places in the Bible does not command us to do things and certainly not to harm another person nor look down on them. The laws on the books for hate crimes will easily apply to the Muslims already if they follow the Koran. Also they will run for office and do other things to further their cause. Like building a Mosque in Manhattan that is a encouragement for them just because we say what harm because we dont understand the significance of it. If your kid talks back to you do you say no problem or do you correct him? I really dont want them to be able to take joy or victory over something that caused peoples death, and if I can deny some joy for that so be it. I'm sure the locker be bomber is still overjoyed at his freedom and being welcomed as a hero with the cost of human life as a trophy.
 My intent was not to rehash the whole thing. I'm kinda over it.

[MP]

If they don’t build the mosque, they’ll start running for public office, and who knows what’ll be next, maybe even president!! 

Too late…  99% of Fox News and conservative radio talking head listeners believe we have a Muslim as our current president.   

Go to factcheck to check that out! What a load of cr**!  IMHO  LOL

MP

[fstsix]

If they don’t build the mosque, they’ll start running for public office, and who knows what’ll be next, maybe even president!! 

Too late…  99% of Fox News and conservative radio talking head listeners believe we have a Muslim as our current president.   

Go to factcheck to check that out! What a load of cr**!  IMHO  LOL

MP

Fox..Fox...Fox...whenever the Liberals run out of talking points they go after Fox LOL!! You know when the party in power is attacking the News they are screwed..BO" when you go down this road we all just Chuckle  you can do better than this 

[Trynt]

If they don’t build the mosque, they’ll start running for public office, and who knows what’ll be next, maybe even president!! 

Too late…  99% of Fox News and conservative radio talking head listeners believe we have a Muslim as our current president.   

Not even close Bobo.  From the Pew research site. "Roughly a third of conservative Republicans (34%) say Obama is a Muslim, as do 30% of those who disapprove of Obama's job performance. But even among many of his supporters and allies, less than half now say Obama is a Christian. Among Democrats, for instance, 46% say Obama is a Christian, down from 55% in March 2009."

[Trynt]

If they don’t build the mosque, they’ll start running for public office, and who knows what’ll be next, maybe even president!! 

Too late…  99% of Fox News and conservative radio talking head listeners believe we have a Muslim as our current president.   

Go to factcheck to check that out! What a load of cr**!  IMHO  LOL

MP

Fox..Fox...Fox...whenever the Liberals run out of talking points they go after Fox LOL!! You know when the party in power is attacking the News they are screwed..BO" when you go down this road we all just Chuckle  you can do better than this 

This is typical of the arrogance of the left.  They are so convinced of the superiority of their views they simply cannot accept the fact the normal, intelligent, informed people can disagree with them. Thus they believe those that do are aberrant , stupid, or misinformed. Some even feel this justifies the name calling and ridicule that sometimes appears on this board. They like to blame Fox for the misinformation.  This is the attitude of the present Democratic leadership in regard to many of their legislative initiatives. They feel that for whatever reason, the non-elites just don't "get it" and it is they that know what is best for the citizens (subjects).

[Bobbo]

If they don’t build the mosque, they’ll start running for public office, and who knows what’ll be next, maybe even president!! 

Too late…  99% of Fox News and conservative radio talking head listeners believe we have a Muslim as our current president.   

Go to factcheck to check that out! What a load of cr**!  IMHO  LOL

MP

Fox..Fox...Fox...whenever the Liberals run out of talking points they go after Fox LOL!! You know when the party in power is attacking the News they are screwed..BO" when you go down this road we all just Chuckle  you can do better than this 

It’s telling that you think I was attacking Fox news.  If you apply standard English grammar, you will see that the subject in my sentence is ”listeners” and that Fox news is simply an adjective.  I don’t mean to lecture anyone on grammar, but it helps the response if you understand the sentence.  BYW, it was a tongue-in-cheek statement, anyway.

[Skinhead]

For example, there have been two mosques within four blocks of ground zero for a long time.  One wants to expand, and the yahoos in the US go epileptic.
 
I have grave concerns about the US when the bezerkers would ignore Constitutional guarantees in favor of enforcing their own biases.

How long is a long time?  Prior to 9/11?

Nobody is denying their right to practice their religion.  To my knowledge their is no guarantee of a right to build anything anywhere in the constitution or any of the amendments. 

You apparently aren't as intelligent as you appear to think you are if you can not understand the feelings of the majority of the people of this country on this issue.

I guess the yahoos in Singapore are down with it.

[Willow]

Too late…  99% of Fox News and conservative radio talking head listeners believe we have a Muslim as our current president.  

It’s telling that you think I was attacking Fox news.  If you apply standard English grammar, you will see that the subject in my sentence is ”listeners” and that Fox news is simply an adjective.  I don’t mean to lecture anyone on grammar, but it helps the response if you understand the sentence.  BYW, it was a tongue-in-cheek statement, anyway.

In fairness, Bob, at my first reading I intepreted the sentence with Fox News as a subject.  Sometimes conjunctions can be a bit confusing.  I read it as (Fox News) and (conservative radio talking head listeners).

Despite whatever confusion there was over the subject and modifier, the 99% was a known and intentional exaggeration.  As to the tongue-in-cheek status, a wise person once said that people say in jest what they would prefer to say in earnest.  Many a duel has been fought over the insult given in jest.  

I'm a pretty fair student of standard English grammar despite the fact that both my own grammars have been departed for over thirty years.

Be safe, my friend, and take yourself a bit less seriously than do others.