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Nitrogen in the Tires,,,,,Other than stable pressure,,,,,any advantages.
« on: August 29, 2010, 08:22:01 AM » |
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Nitrogen in Motorcycle Tires.
Have you tried it before?
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Re: Nitrogen in the Tires,,,,,Other than stable pressure,,,,,any advantages.
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2010, 08:24:39 AM » |
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It stimulates the economy of the tire places that peddle it.  Jabba
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Re: Nitrogen in the Tires,,,,,Other than stable pressure,,,,,any advantages.
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2010, 08:27:11 AM » |
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http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2007/10/tires-nitrogen-.htmlIt does reduce leakage, but by such a small amount as to be negligible... Of course, if you don't mind a slightly smaller percentage of nitrogen, just use regular atmospheric air... It's around 80% nitrogen for free!
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Re: Nitrogen in the Tires,,,,,Other than stable pressure,,,,,any advantages.
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2010, 08:35:10 AM » |
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Yup! Normal air is between 80-85% nitrogen. Just check your tire inflation often with a known accurate gauge.
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Re: Nitrogen in the Tires,,,,,Other than stable pressure,,,,,any advantages.
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2010, 12:12:40 PM » |
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It seems to have about the same impact as does sending politicians to Washington with big promises to fix the economy.
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Re: Nitrogen in the Tires,,,,,Other than stable pressure,,,,,any advantages.
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2010, 01:47:47 PM » |
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It seems to have about the same impact as does sending politicians to Washington with big promises to fix the economy. OMG, Willow did a political post.  Response............ "those politicians ain't full of nitrogen, they are full of....... feces."
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Re: Nitrogen in the Tires,,,,,Other than stable pressure,,,,,any advantages.
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2010, 01:56:42 PM » |
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Even simple tire issues turn political...Hahahahahahahahaha.
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Re: Nitrogen in the Tires,,,,,Other than stable pressure,,,,,any advantages.
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2010, 03:09:00 PM » |
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Yeah, I stick to the 80% version, seems to work for me. 
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Re: Nitrogen in the Tires,,,,,Other than stable pressure,,,,,any advantages.
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2010, 05:31:52 AM » |
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Re: Nitrogen in the Tires,,,,,Other than stable pressure,,,,,any advantages.
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2010, 06:42:17 PM » |
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The reason for Nitrogen is that it is a more "Inert" (meaning it reacts less) gas, and one of the things it reacts less to is temperature change. This means the tire pressure supposedly changes less from being cold to hot, like when you go from parked to moving at high speed and high loads. In other words, Nitrogen is less sensitive to conditions around it. ??? So, In a way, Nitrogen is a lot like our Politicians in that they are not sensitive to conditions around them either. Also, you spend extra money on both, and get nothing back in return. If we could get our politicians to blow into our tires, the hot air they expel everytime their mouths open would also "pre heat" our tires, and also then make them less sensitive to temperature changes.  So, to sum up, maybe Willow has got something there after all. 
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Re: Nitrogen in the Tires,,,,,Other than stable pressure,,,,,any advantages.
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2010, 08:38:10 PM » |
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... and one of the things it reacts less to is temperature change. Not correct. Nitrogen is like every other gas; it behaves according to the equation PV = nRT, the ideal gas law. To compute the pressure difference in a tire you'd use P1/T1 = P2/T2 (constant tire volume). If you used the exact constants for nitrogen instead of oxygen or the ideal gas, you'd been so close you could not tell the difference. Nitrogen is inert, however, unlike oxygen, which can oxidize things. In all my years of using tires, however, I've never seen the inside get oxidized from using plain ole air... so I think I will stick with it.
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Re: Nitrogen in the Tires,,,,,Other than stable pressure,,,,,any advantages.
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2010, 08:39:06 PM » |
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The reason for Nitrogen is that it is a more "Inert" (meaning it reacts less) gas, and one of the things it reacts less to is temperature change. This means the tire pressure supposedly changes less from being cold to hot, like when you go from parked to moving at high speed and high loads. In other words, Nitrogen is less sensitive to conditions around it. ???
It is the moisture in atmospheric air that mostly reacts to temperature. Since bottled nitrogen doesn’t contain water, it is slightly more pressure stable.
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Re: Nitrogen in the Tires,,,,,Other than stable pressure,,,,,any advantages.
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2010, 01:34:21 AM » |
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Yup! Normal air is between 80-85% nitrogen. Just check your tire inflation often with a known accurate gauge.
AIR: 78% N2 20.9% O2 Around 1% argon about .04% CO2 Then all the other assorted gases.... 85% N2 would be fatal..... @19% O2 ya will get dizzy and light headed....less than 16% O2 will take ya out......then again... over 22% does bad things too...a fine line between Just Right and Ahhh Crap.....LOL
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Re: Nitrogen in the Tires,,,,,Other than stable pressure,,,,,any advantages.
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2010, 04:01:13 AM » |
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19% O2 ya will get dizzy and light headed....less than 16% O2 will take ya out......then again... over 22% does bad things too...a fine line between Just Right and Ahhh Crap.....LOL
On the submarine... we would normally just go to periscope depth and ventilate when O2 levels got too low. We had the ABILITY to actually manufacture and bleed O2 into the sub atmosphere too though, using an apparatus we called "the bomb". It was essentially a pressure vessel that we put sea-water into, and created a large spark to do electrolosis, and split the water molecule into O2 and Hydrogen. So... there was a pressure vessel, O2, Hydrogen, and a spark. = "The Bomb". When I was standing Engine Room Lower Level watch... and I was dragging ass real bad... I would ocassionally bleed some O2 into the watch station. It's amazing what a little extra O2 will do for you when you need a lift.  Jabba
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Re: Nitrogen in the Tires,,,,,Other than stable pressure,,,,,any advantages.
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2010, 07:23:44 AM » |
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85% N2 would be fatal..... @19% O2 ya will get dizzy and light headed....less than 16% O2 will take ya out......then again... over 22% does bad things too...a fine line between Just Right and Ahhh Crap.....LOL
It’s a good thing NASA was ignorant of this, running a near 100% O2 atmosphere in Apollo and other missions. It’s not so much the oxygen concentration, but rather the combination of pressure and CO2 mix. Low-pressure pure oxygen is fine, but the CO2 has to stay under 5% to efficiently remove it from the bloodstream. With higher activity levels, the CO2 has to be lower still.
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Re: Nitrogen in the Tires,,,,,Other than stable pressure,,,,,any advantages.
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2010, 08:09:59 AM » |
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I find in my Accord, running nitrogen kept the low tire pressure warning from coming on during the winter. Also, I feel a bit better running nitrogen as it is less reactive than air, so theoretically my expensive tire pressure sensors should have less issues.
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Re: Nitrogen in the Tires,,,,,Other than stable pressure,,,,,any advantages.
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2010, 08:51:13 AM » |
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After extreme altitude in the Phantom and lotsa Oxy, when we got back I'd barf. It was great. I dont know all the physics and such ,but I do like the cool green valve caps. Nothing says "Steal my new tires" like cool green valve caps.
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Re: Nitrogen in the Tires,,,,,Other than stable pressure,,,,,any advantages.
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2010, 10:43:55 AM » |
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A very important addon for all those planning a trip of 100+ miles at approx 200 mph. It will help keep your tires from overheating and building pressure. 
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