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« on: September 27, 2010, 09:05:14 AM » |
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I still have the click from exhaust leak with the fiber type gaskets. I have and extra 3 gaskets anyone ever use hi temp silicone on these? I re tightened in sequence all the header bolts be she still want to click. Think a little silicone may seal better.
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hubcapsc
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2010, 09:29:31 AM » |
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I used to silicone seal my header pipe on my CR500 (and other dirt bikes) it worked great.
I've never used the fiber gaskets on my Valkyrie - silicone seal would probably stop the leak,
but I wonder why yours are leaking? The gaskets are in good shape? where they seat in the head
is clean? The pipes are clean where they seat against the gasket?
Good luck, don't break off any header bolts...
-Mike
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2010, 10:06:27 AM » |
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Would you use steel wool to clean the ports?
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2010, 10:30:28 AM » |
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Would you use steel wool to clean the ports?
I'm not sure it matters what you clean them off with, if it looks smooth and clean it probably is good... I was just wondering if some kind of carbony caked on irregularities were what was causing your leak... Here's what mine looked like at one point when I had the pipes off... you can see little bits of silicone seal I had used to make the new OEM (copper) gaskets stick up in there the last time I had the pipes off...  The first time I had my pipes off, at first I though there were no gaskets in there... the copper gaskets were smashed so flat, I had to really look hard to see that they were there... I don't know how long you've had your bike or how many other people had it before you - is it possible that you are installing your fiber gaskets over flattened copper gaskets? Could there be one flattened copper gasket left in one of the header ports, making it hard to get all the fiber gaskets to seat properly? I caught the edge of my almost-invisible copper gaskets with a little flat head screwdriver and flipped them out... -Mike |
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2010, 10:41:31 AM » |
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No I got all 3 copper gaskets out. I just want to be careful on the port after all they are aluminum.
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Joe Hummer
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2010, 11:29:00 AM » |
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Can I ask...why not go back with the copper crush gaskets?
Joe
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2010, 01:21:16 PM » |
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I BOUGHT 6, SOME SAY THEY LIKE THE FIBER ONES BETTER WHO KNOWS.
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2010, 01:34:53 PM » |
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I BOUGHT 6, SOME SAY THEY LIKE THE FIBER ONES BETTER WHO KNOWS.
I bought six, too, from Viking, for the same reason... I installed them on one side, and then yanked them out. Blegghh... -Mike "this was not a scientific Blegghhh, just a that's-how-I-felt-about-it Blegghh..." |
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2010, 01:47:20 PM » |
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DID THE COPPER WORK BETTER FOR YOU?
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2010, 04:47:58 PM » |
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CAUTION
Silicone when highly heated releases hydroflouric acid. This is very nasty stuff.
It may not be a part of all "Silicone" sealants but better to err on the safe side.
It is not just with sealants but any silicone products so any vehicle that has been on fire is a potential problem.
Water does not wash this stuff off, it needs to be neutralized
Cheers Steve
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2010, 04:57:40 PM » |
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The ones I got from carolina B&T were fiber type. I like them alot better then the oem copper ones. More tighter seal.
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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2010, 04:30:48 AM » |
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The ones I got from carolina B&T were fiber type. I like them alot better then the oem copper ones. More tighter seal.
I can't seem to find them on their web page at http://www.carolinabikeandtrike.com/default.htmAre they displayed anywhere? Thanks! |
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2010, 05:16:38 AM » |
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The ones I got from carolina B&T were fiber type. I like them alot better then the oem copper ones. More tighter seal.
I can't seem to find them on their web page at http://www.carolinabikeandtrike.com/default.htmAre they displayed anywhere? Thanks! Heck, now you got me wondering where I got'm. ??? I know it was a VRCC sponsor. I'll look around....... |
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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2010, 07:12:26 AM » |
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The ones I got from carolina B&T were fiber type. I like them alot better then the oem copper ones. More tighter seal.
I can't seem to find them on their web page at http://www.carolinabikeandtrike.com/default.htmAre they displayed anywhere? Thanks! Heck, now you got me wondering where I got'm. ??? I know it was a VRCC sponsor. I'll look around....... I got mine from Viking... they're still in my saddlebags, in case I run into someone who wants them... -Mike |
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2010, 09:35:49 AM » |
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The ones I got from carolina B&T were fiber type. I like them alot better then the oem copper ones. More tighter seal.
I can't seem to find them on their web page at http://www.carolinabikeandtrike.com/default.htmAre they displayed anywhere? Thanks! Heck, now you got me wondering where I got'm. ??? I know it was a VRCC sponsor. I'll look around....... I got mine from Viking... they're still in my saddlebags, in case I run into someone who wants them... -Mike I'll take them Mike if they are new (unused). At work right now. I'll send you a PM tonight. Normand |
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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2010, 11:45:40 AM » |
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I got mine 2 yrs ago, 3 at max. Thought Viking was out by then?
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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2010, 01:15:15 PM » |
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I got mine 2 yrs ago, 3 at max. Thought Viking was out by then?
I got my bike almost four years ago... I reckon I got the gaskets a few months later... Viking lasted a little while past that... To answer Normand's question, I installed three on one side, didn't like that they were thicker than the three copper ones on the other side, and pried them back out without ever starting the bike... Those three are a little scuffed up, but I didn't think functionally impaired... I could take a picture... I haven't looked at them for a while - I think they look like the greens ones you can still get on eBay...  -Mike |
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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2010, 02:58:48 PM » |
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Copper makes a great gasket because of it's memory (to return to its original size after heating and cooling over and over).
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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2010, 03:32:11 PM » |
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I got mine 2 yrs ago, 3 at max. Thought Viking was out by then?
I got my bike almost four years ago... I reckon I got the gaskets a few months later... Viking lasted a little while past that... To answer Normand's question, I installed three on one side, didn't like that they were thicker than the three copper ones on the other side, and pried them back out without ever starting the bike... Those three are a little scuffed up, but I didn't think functionally impaired... I could take a picture... I haven't looked at them for a while - I think they look like the greens ones you can still get on eBay... -Mike Bingo! Those are the ones.  |
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2010, 06:16:33 PM » |
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The ones I got from carolina B&T were fiber type. I like them alot better then the oem copper ones. More tighter seal.
A curious guy would like to know!  Why did you change to those? What do you mean by better seal? Did your copper ones leak? I have never had problems with my copper ones and was just thinking of trying these out (getting bored and looking for trouble I guess LOL)! |
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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2010, 06:22:04 PM » |
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I got mine 2 yrs ago, 3 at max. Thought Viking was out by then?
I got my bike almost four years ago... I reckon I got the gaskets a few months later... Viking lasted a little while past that... To answer Normand's question, I installed three on one side, didn't like that they were thicker than the three copper ones on the other side, and pried them back out without ever starting the bike... Those three are a little scuffed up, but I didn't think functionally impaired... I could take a picture... I haven't looked at them for a while - I think they look like the greens ones you can still get on eBay... -Mike OK thanks Mike! I might purchase a set on Ebay. After all, these are only $11.95 + $1.25 for shipping. No use bothering you with that. On the other hand, I'd like to know why some have installed these. Are these supposed to be better than the OEM copper ones? Take care! Normand |
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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2010, 07:20:06 PM » |
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The ones I got from carolina B&T were fiber type. I like them alot better then the oem copper ones. More tighter seal.
A curious guy would like to know! Why did you change to those? What do you mean by better seal? Did your copper ones leak? I have never had problems with my copper ones and was just thinking of trying these out (getting bored and looking for trouble I guess LOL)! I took the exhaust off to add the truck stacks. |
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« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2010, 10:47:06 PM » |
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After taken her apart and seeing how the fiber gaskets look I see why they leaked. Went back to OEM copper gaskets and just finished putting back together. No clicking sounded good. I won't use the fiber ever again. And lining up the crash bars to thread the bolt a major pain in the ass! It doesn't matter how cheap if they don't work right. The fiber gaskets never seemed to tighten all the way. And they crushed unevenly. I would say use copper!
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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2010, 04:53:20 AM » |
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Sounds like everything is copacetic... here's the pictures of mine, you can tell that the one's on the left are kind of scuffed up... I'll stick them back in my saddlebags in case someone on some ride ends up needing them for some reason...  -Mike |
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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2010, 02:15:47 PM » |
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It doesn't matter how cheap if they don't work right. The fiber gaskets never seemed to tighten all the way. And they crushed unevenly. I would say use copper!
I agree with you. After having installed "one off" billet parts on my Tangerine Dream, I can assure you that the price of copper gaskets has absolutely nothing to do with this. BTW copper gaskets are practically the same price as these fiber ones. I'm simply curious. |
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« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2010, 06:10:29 PM » |
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I got the local Honda dealership to sell them for $2.10 I could tell that they tightened up totally different then the fiber ones. I don't plan on ever taking the pipes of again. I put a little hi temp rtv on them and should be ok as long as I have the bike.
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« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2010, 04:56:42 AM » |
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Make sure you go back after a couple of hundred miles and check the torque on the header nuts.
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